Sunday, 13.12.2009.
11:56
Former foreign minister Goran Svilanović said that the ICJ decision on Kosovo will have no meaning if Belgrade does not know what it wants to achieve with it.
Izvor: Beta
pre 14 godina
Serbia can save face and accept the court's majority opinion: UDI is legal.
If not, this day will come later, but then under the pressure of 22 EU countries, as a trade-off for EU accession. Or do u really believe that soon-to-be 27 recognitions will be withdrawn to please Serbia's ambitions?
What's the lesser evil? You choose!
(Fisi, 15 December 2009 11:31)
UDI is legal because EU pressure???? bwaaahaaaaahaaaaa
pre 14 godina
Serbia can save face and accept the court's majority opinion: UDI is legal.
If not, this day will come later, but then under the pressure of 22 EU countries, as a trade-off for EU accession. Or do u really believe that soon-to-be 27 recognitions will be withdrawn to please Serbia's ambitions?
What's the lesser evil? You choose!
pre 14 godina
You have it wrong. If ICJ decides on behalf of UDI then for the first time will have an example of a more powerful country (Serbia) pays back for:
1)terror exercised on its own citizens
2)give back the territory taken by force from another weaker country (Albania)
3)recognize the new entity for not having the moral trust of joining it back (to Serbia)
If ICJ rules against legality of UDI than back to Westfalia when the people were traded back and forth as powers decided without people's consent. At least in Kosovo's case we have the people decede how they want to live.
(Mirub Jager, 14 December 2009 18:12)
???? Sorry my friend, but:
1) albanian terror against their state and serbian citizens of Kosovo - started in 80
2) Territory was taken by force in 15th century, when imperial Turkey conquered Serbia. In 1913 Kosovo backed to Serbia.
3) Albanians should recognize, that in Serbia they were one of state minorities. And any international law give minorities rights for creating more and more small pseudocountries.
pre 14 godina
'The best use of an ICJ decision favorable to Serbia and international law would be to sue individually all those countries who have illegally recognized this UDI.
This should have been done already a long time ago but it's never to late :)
(Joachim, 13 December 2009 22:48)'
Now here's an interesting approach to speeding up accession to the EU - take its current members to court.
pre 14 godina
MB, Ireland wrote:
"Should the court decide that the declaration of independence by the Albanian Regime in Pristina was legal, well then I have to say that that would be the end of International Law as we have known it, right back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
In effect this would mean that a powerful country can invade and steal teritory from a weaker country to suit its own ends with impunity".
You have it wrong. If ICJ decides on behalf of UDI then for the first time will have an example of a more powerful country (Serbia) pays back for:
1)terror exercised on its own citizens
2)give back the territory taken by force from another weaker country (Albania)
3)recognize the new entity for not having the moral trust of joining it back (to Serbia)
If ICJ rules against legality of UDI than back to Westfalia when the people were traded back and forth as powers decided without people's consent. At least in Kosovo's case we have the people decede how they want to live.
pre 14 godina
Remember this, Belgrade will have the final say if Preshevo is up for negotiations not the KLA puppet regime in Pristina
pre 14 godina
wats that presheva not discussed, well i got new for you, Albanian leaders have nothing to exchange, Albania is the only country in the world that borders itself so i doubt they will accept territorial swaps.
pre 14 godina
Partition could be way. Burt than Presevo is on the table as long as we are diving the land according to populations.
pre 14 godina
The best use of an ICJ decision favorable to Serbia and international law would be to sue individually all those countries who have illegally recognized this UDI.
This should have been done already a long time ago but it's never to late :)
pre 14 godina
We have a saying that goes like this: "With no river in sight; he takes the pants off." As far as I am aware ICJ hasn't decided yet and here we have a former Serbian FM suggestive message that it has decided on Serbian favor. Not only that but figuratively speaking he's asking Tadic and company to take their pants off and jump in the river. What you Serbs clearly have in huge amounts is unreasonable euphoria. Something which I have seen among Russians too. This is not just in politics but every day issues too. Maybe its isolated among the friends and coworkers I have or maybe my observation is just plain wrong but it seems to me you guys get euphoric and enthusiastic for no apparent reasons far too often. Peace.
pre 14 godina
I said it before and I'll say it again - we're looking at partition of the province (with Presevo not discussed, sorry) and Serbia gets fast-tracked into the eu as compensation. That leaves the albo part of Kosovo as an eternal ghetto. Face the truth - if it wasn't for this controversy, Kosovo wouldn't be mentioned anywhere. After this settlement, it will take Kosovo and albania 25 years to get into the eu.
pre 14 godina
At the moment, there is no going back and there is no going forward for Kosovo. The only path to peace and prosperity is the one leading to the negotiating table otherwise those powers on Serbia's side will continue blocking independence at every corner.
pre 14 godina
No one in their right can expect the Albanians to give up independence, everyone know that. There is not one Albanian party or leader who will step ahead.
Re 1244 and Yugo. If Serbia is willing to give Kosova back what it head in 1974 (taken illegally by Slobo), then maybe. But then expect to have an Albanian leader every 6 months like in Yugo time. Serbia wants to be FY without the obligations.
pre 14 godina
But he will have to have something else up his sleeve to influence renewed negotiations.
(bganon, 13 December 2009 14:23)
Unfortunately or fortunately,he (Tadic) has nothing under and/or up his sleeve. Clock can't turn back when it comes to Kosovo.
pre 14 godina
J S,
Where have you been so far to come out with some silly ideal of "another Yugoslavia".
Anyway I must admit it was funny...))
pre 14 godina
He is right Serbia must have a strategy prepared.
Part of that strategy will of course include an official call for new negotiations - I expect Tadic will make this call himself.
But he will have to have something else up his sleeve to influence renewed negotiations.
pre 14 godina
This is an update to a comment that gave to a comment on a comment that used the same initials as I use.
I am neither suggesting, nor am I discounting the possibility that the identical initials of J S are either deliberate or merely coincidental.
It just highlights the fact that we all need to listen to the message rather than the messenger.
I corrected some spelling errors, improve its grammar, but the essential thoughts of that comment remain intact.
The comment that I am referring to, and that I did not write, is the next paragraph.
The best deal for the region would be a new Yugoslavia, which contains Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Croatia, and possibly Montenegro. These countries share language and history, and will have very close ties in the future anyway. As capital I suggest Sarajevo; the only city in the region that bears enough history to become a true metropolis. What's more, Sarajevo is inhabited by a mix of all the concerned populations; Serbs, Croatians, and Bosniaks. Montenegrins are Serbs anyway, so there won't be a problem for them to join. I am already in love with this new Yugoslavia, even if it takes years for its creation. I strongly believe it is the best solution for the Balkans. Main obstacle: Croatian nationalism.
Firstly, I want to say that I basically know very little of regions of the former Yugoslavia, but I do know a little about Serbia.
I do not know if some of the points made in that comment, or if some of the things mentioned concerning Sarajevo are true.
I have given that comment a little more thought, and I now have an opinion on that.
The comment appears to make some interesting points for thought, but trying to hold that many Referendums makes it a difficult to achieve.
Things are complicated by the fact that America would want a New Yugoslavia to join NATO.
There would be some people who think that a Balkans Conference should be convened to redraw the borders of the territory of the former Yugoslavia.
If there were to be a New Yugoslavia, then it should not include the Croats and the Bosniaks.
That New Yugoslavia would include Serbia, the Republic of Srspska, Montenegro, and only the Slavic area of FYROM.
Vojvodina would loose its autonomy, and the provincial border of Kosovo could be redrawn to approximately what it was before Tito changed it.
The rest of Kosovo would have more than autonomy and less than independence.
Any such Balkans Conference is now complicated, because of the ICJ case; and also because of the need for all countries to clearly support Serbia’s Territorial Integrity as a minimum pre-condition before there can be any such Balkans Conference.
pre 14 godina
'Former foreign minister Goran Svilanović said that the ICJ decision on Kosovo will have no meaning if Belgrade does not know what it wants to achieve with it.'
What does that mean?
The ICJ must decide if the UDI was legal or illegal.Plain and simple.
Should the court decide that the declaration of independence by the Albanian Regime in Pristina was legal, well then I have to say that that would be the end of International Law as we have known it, right back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
In effect this would mean that a powerful country can invade and steal teritory from a weaker country to suit its own ends with impunity.
Should the ICJ decide that the UDI was illegal, well then the Albanian regime in Pristina would have to hop it back to Tirana, pronto!
MB,Ireland
pre 14 godina
We heard that one of arguments used by America at the ICJ was that UNSCR 1244 uses the wording Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and not Serbia, and so UNSCR 1244 is no longer valid.
If we use this ‘logic’, then Al Capone would have wanted the benefit of the American ‘legal expertise’ that was shown at the ICJ.
Al Capone would just have to change his name, and the warrant against him would be ‘worthless’, and he would be innocent of all crimes.
After agreeing that Kosovo was part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, that country changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro, and it did not change its name to Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.
After Montenegro became independent, what was left was Serbia with its province of Kosovo.
The country to which UNSCR applies is to Serbia, and if Kosovo were a province of Montenegro, then UNSCR 1244 would apply to Montenegro and Kosovo.
If the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had changed its name to Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo, then after Montenegro legally became independent, then that country would have been called Serbia and Kosovo, and UNSCR 1244 would apply to Serbia and Kosovo with exactly the same wording.
If such ‘logic’ that UNSCR is no longer valid is used, then this could just as easily be interpreted to mean that Kosovo has no United Nations right to autonomy, because it is one country called Serbia and Kosovo.
As we all know, Serbia is offering its Albanian citizens of Kosovo more than autonomy and less than independence.
If things were that simple, then the Republic of Srpska could just change its name and say that the Dayton Peace Accords to not apply to it.
pre 14 godina
J S,
Where have you been so far to come out with some silly ideal of "another Yugoslavia".
Anyway I must admit it was funny...))
pre 14 godina
But he will have to have something else up his sleeve to influence renewed negotiations.
(bganon, 13 December 2009 14:23)
Unfortunately or fortunately,he (Tadic) has nothing under and/or up his sleeve. Clock can't turn back when it comes to Kosovo.
pre 14 godina
No one in their right can expect the Albanians to give up independence, everyone know that. There is not one Albanian party or leader who will step ahead.
Re 1244 and Yugo. If Serbia is willing to give Kosova back what it head in 1974 (taken illegally by Slobo), then maybe. But then expect to have an Albanian leader every 6 months like in Yugo time. Serbia wants to be FY without the obligations.
pre 14 godina
'Former foreign minister Goran Svilanović said that the ICJ decision on Kosovo will have no meaning if Belgrade does not know what it wants to achieve with it.'
What does that mean?
The ICJ must decide if the UDI was legal or illegal.Plain and simple.
Should the court decide that the declaration of independence by the Albanian Regime in Pristina was legal, well then I have to say that that would be the end of International Law as we have known it, right back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
In effect this would mean that a powerful country can invade and steal teritory from a weaker country to suit its own ends with impunity.
Should the ICJ decide that the UDI was illegal, well then the Albanian regime in Pristina would have to hop it back to Tirana, pronto!
MB,Ireland
pre 14 godina
We heard that one of arguments used by America at the ICJ was that UNSCR 1244 uses the wording Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and not Serbia, and so UNSCR 1244 is no longer valid.
If we use this ‘logic’, then Al Capone would have wanted the benefit of the American ‘legal expertise’ that was shown at the ICJ.
Al Capone would just have to change his name, and the warrant against him would be ‘worthless’, and he would be innocent of all crimes.
After agreeing that Kosovo was part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, that country changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro, and it did not change its name to Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.
After Montenegro became independent, what was left was Serbia with its province of Kosovo.
The country to which UNSCR applies is to Serbia, and if Kosovo were a province of Montenegro, then UNSCR 1244 would apply to Montenegro and Kosovo.
If the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had changed its name to Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo, then after Montenegro legally became independent, then that country would have been called Serbia and Kosovo, and UNSCR 1244 would apply to Serbia and Kosovo with exactly the same wording.
If such ‘logic’ that UNSCR is no longer valid is used, then this could just as easily be interpreted to mean that Kosovo has no United Nations right to autonomy, because it is one country called Serbia and Kosovo.
As we all know, Serbia is offering its Albanian citizens of Kosovo more than autonomy and less than independence.
If things were that simple, then the Republic of Srpska could just change its name and say that the Dayton Peace Accords to not apply to it.
pre 14 godina
He is right Serbia must have a strategy prepared.
Part of that strategy will of course include an official call for new negotiations - I expect Tadic will make this call himself.
But he will have to have something else up his sleeve to influence renewed negotiations.
pre 14 godina
At the moment, there is no going back and there is no going forward for Kosovo. The only path to peace and prosperity is the one leading to the negotiating table otherwise those powers on Serbia's side will continue blocking independence at every corner.
pre 14 godina
I said it before and I'll say it again - we're looking at partition of the province (with Presevo not discussed, sorry) and Serbia gets fast-tracked into the eu as compensation. That leaves the albo part of Kosovo as an eternal ghetto. Face the truth - if it wasn't for this controversy, Kosovo wouldn't be mentioned anywhere. After this settlement, it will take Kosovo and albania 25 years to get into the eu.
pre 14 godina
The best use of an ICJ decision favorable to Serbia and international law would be to sue individually all those countries who have illegally recognized this UDI.
This should have been done already a long time ago but it's never to late :)
pre 14 godina
This is an update to a comment that gave to a comment on a comment that used the same initials as I use.
I am neither suggesting, nor am I discounting the possibility that the identical initials of J S are either deliberate or merely coincidental.
It just highlights the fact that we all need to listen to the message rather than the messenger.
I corrected some spelling errors, improve its grammar, but the essential thoughts of that comment remain intact.
The comment that I am referring to, and that I did not write, is the next paragraph.
The best deal for the region would be a new Yugoslavia, which contains Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Croatia, and possibly Montenegro. These countries share language and history, and will have very close ties in the future anyway. As capital I suggest Sarajevo; the only city in the region that bears enough history to become a true metropolis. What's more, Sarajevo is inhabited by a mix of all the concerned populations; Serbs, Croatians, and Bosniaks. Montenegrins are Serbs anyway, so there won't be a problem for them to join. I am already in love with this new Yugoslavia, even if it takes years for its creation. I strongly believe it is the best solution for the Balkans. Main obstacle: Croatian nationalism.
Firstly, I want to say that I basically know very little of regions of the former Yugoslavia, but I do know a little about Serbia.
I do not know if some of the points made in that comment, or if some of the things mentioned concerning Sarajevo are true.
I have given that comment a little more thought, and I now have an opinion on that.
The comment appears to make some interesting points for thought, but trying to hold that many Referendums makes it a difficult to achieve.
Things are complicated by the fact that America would want a New Yugoslavia to join NATO.
There would be some people who think that a Balkans Conference should be convened to redraw the borders of the territory of the former Yugoslavia.
If there were to be a New Yugoslavia, then it should not include the Croats and the Bosniaks.
That New Yugoslavia would include Serbia, the Republic of Srspska, Montenegro, and only the Slavic area of FYROM.
Vojvodina would loose its autonomy, and the provincial border of Kosovo could be redrawn to approximately what it was before Tito changed it.
The rest of Kosovo would have more than autonomy and less than independence.
Any such Balkans Conference is now complicated, because of the ICJ case; and also because of the need for all countries to clearly support Serbia’s Territorial Integrity as a minimum pre-condition before there can be any such Balkans Conference.
pre 14 godina
We have a saying that goes like this: "With no river in sight; he takes the pants off." As far as I am aware ICJ hasn't decided yet and here we have a former Serbian FM suggestive message that it has decided on Serbian favor. Not only that but figuratively speaking he's asking Tadic and company to take their pants off and jump in the river. What you Serbs clearly have in huge amounts is unreasonable euphoria. Something which I have seen among Russians too. This is not just in politics but every day issues too. Maybe its isolated among the friends and coworkers I have or maybe my observation is just plain wrong but it seems to me you guys get euphoric and enthusiastic for no apparent reasons far too often. Peace.
pre 14 godina
Remember this, Belgrade will have the final say if Preshevo is up for negotiations not the KLA puppet regime in Pristina
pre 14 godina
Partition could be way. Burt than Presevo is on the table as long as we are diving the land according to populations.
pre 14 godina
'The best use of an ICJ decision favorable to Serbia and international law would be to sue individually all those countries who have illegally recognized this UDI.
This should have been done already a long time ago but it's never to late :)
(Joachim, 13 December 2009 22:48)'
Now here's an interesting approach to speeding up accession to the EU - take its current members to court.
pre 14 godina
wats that presheva not discussed, well i got new for you, Albanian leaders have nothing to exchange, Albania is the only country in the world that borders itself so i doubt they will accept territorial swaps.
pre 14 godina
MB, Ireland wrote:
"Should the court decide that the declaration of independence by the Albanian Regime in Pristina was legal, well then I have to say that that would be the end of International Law as we have known it, right back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
In effect this would mean that a powerful country can invade and steal teritory from a weaker country to suit its own ends with impunity".
You have it wrong. If ICJ decides on behalf of UDI then for the first time will have an example of a more powerful country (Serbia) pays back for:
1)terror exercised on its own citizens
2)give back the territory taken by force from another weaker country (Albania)
3)recognize the new entity for not having the moral trust of joining it back (to Serbia)
If ICJ rules against legality of UDI than back to Westfalia when the people were traded back and forth as powers decided without people's consent. At least in Kosovo's case we have the people decede how they want to live.
pre 14 godina
You have it wrong. If ICJ decides on behalf of UDI then for the first time will have an example of a more powerful country (Serbia) pays back for:
1)terror exercised on its own citizens
2)give back the territory taken by force from another weaker country (Albania)
3)recognize the new entity for not having the moral trust of joining it back (to Serbia)
If ICJ rules against legality of UDI than back to Westfalia when the people were traded back and forth as powers decided without people's consent. At least in Kosovo's case we have the people decede how they want to live.
(Mirub Jager, 14 December 2009 18:12)
???? Sorry my friend, but:
1) albanian terror against their state and serbian citizens of Kosovo - started in 80
2) Territory was taken by force in 15th century, when imperial Turkey conquered Serbia. In 1913 Kosovo backed to Serbia.
3) Albanians should recognize, that in Serbia they were one of state minorities. And any international law give minorities rights for creating more and more small pseudocountries.
pre 14 godina
Serbia can save face and accept the court's majority opinion: UDI is legal.
If not, this day will come later, but then under the pressure of 22 EU countries, as a trade-off for EU accession. Or do u really believe that soon-to-be 27 recognitions will be withdrawn to please Serbia's ambitions?
What's the lesser evil? You choose!
pre 14 godina
Serbia can save face and accept the court's majority opinion: UDI is legal.
If not, this day will come later, but then under the pressure of 22 EU countries, as a trade-off for EU accession. Or do u really believe that soon-to-be 27 recognitions will be withdrawn to please Serbia's ambitions?
What's the lesser evil? You choose!
(Fisi, 15 December 2009 11:31)
UDI is legal because EU pressure???? bwaaahaaaaahaaaaa
pre 14 godina
I said it before and I'll say it again - we're looking at partition of the province (with Presevo not discussed, sorry) and Serbia gets fast-tracked into the eu as compensation. That leaves the albo part of Kosovo as an eternal ghetto. Face the truth - if it wasn't for this controversy, Kosovo wouldn't be mentioned anywhere. After this settlement, it will take Kosovo and albania 25 years to get into the eu.
pre 14 godina
This is an update to a comment that gave to a comment on a comment that used the same initials as I use.
I am neither suggesting, nor am I discounting the possibility that the identical initials of J S are either deliberate or merely coincidental.
It just highlights the fact that we all need to listen to the message rather than the messenger.
I corrected some spelling errors, improve its grammar, but the essential thoughts of that comment remain intact.
The comment that I am referring to, and that I did not write, is the next paragraph.
The best deal for the region would be a new Yugoslavia, which contains Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Croatia, and possibly Montenegro. These countries share language and history, and will have very close ties in the future anyway. As capital I suggest Sarajevo; the only city in the region that bears enough history to become a true metropolis. What's more, Sarajevo is inhabited by a mix of all the concerned populations; Serbs, Croatians, and Bosniaks. Montenegrins are Serbs anyway, so there won't be a problem for them to join. I am already in love with this new Yugoslavia, even if it takes years for its creation. I strongly believe it is the best solution for the Balkans. Main obstacle: Croatian nationalism.
Firstly, I want to say that I basically know very little of regions of the former Yugoslavia, but I do know a little about Serbia.
I do not know if some of the points made in that comment, or if some of the things mentioned concerning Sarajevo are true.
I have given that comment a little more thought, and I now have an opinion on that.
The comment appears to make some interesting points for thought, but trying to hold that many Referendums makes it a difficult to achieve.
Things are complicated by the fact that America would want a New Yugoslavia to join NATO.
There would be some people who think that a Balkans Conference should be convened to redraw the borders of the territory of the former Yugoslavia.
If there were to be a New Yugoslavia, then it should not include the Croats and the Bosniaks.
That New Yugoslavia would include Serbia, the Republic of Srspska, Montenegro, and only the Slavic area of FYROM.
Vojvodina would loose its autonomy, and the provincial border of Kosovo could be redrawn to approximately what it was before Tito changed it.
The rest of Kosovo would have more than autonomy and less than independence.
Any such Balkans Conference is now complicated, because of the ICJ case; and also because of the need for all countries to clearly support Serbia’s Territorial Integrity as a minimum pre-condition before there can be any such Balkans Conference.
pre 14 godina
But he will have to have something else up his sleeve to influence renewed negotiations.
(bganon, 13 December 2009 14:23)
Unfortunately or fortunately,he (Tadic) has nothing under and/or up his sleeve. Clock can't turn back when it comes to Kosovo.
pre 14 godina
'Former foreign minister Goran Svilanović said that the ICJ decision on Kosovo will have no meaning if Belgrade does not know what it wants to achieve with it.'
What does that mean?
The ICJ must decide if the UDI was legal or illegal.Plain and simple.
Should the court decide that the declaration of independence by the Albanian Regime in Pristina was legal, well then I have to say that that would be the end of International Law as we have known it, right back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
In effect this would mean that a powerful country can invade and steal teritory from a weaker country to suit its own ends with impunity.
Should the ICJ decide that the UDI was illegal, well then the Albanian regime in Pristina would have to hop it back to Tirana, pronto!
MB,Ireland
pre 14 godina
At the moment, there is no going back and there is no going forward for Kosovo. The only path to peace and prosperity is the one leading to the negotiating table otherwise those powers on Serbia's side will continue blocking independence at every corner.
pre 14 godina
We heard that one of arguments used by America at the ICJ was that UNSCR 1244 uses the wording Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and not Serbia, and so UNSCR 1244 is no longer valid.
If we use this ‘logic’, then Al Capone would have wanted the benefit of the American ‘legal expertise’ that was shown at the ICJ.
Al Capone would just have to change his name, and the warrant against him would be ‘worthless’, and he would be innocent of all crimes.
After agreeing that Kosovo was part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, that country changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro, and it did not change its name to Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.
After Montenegro became independent, what was left was Serbia with its province of Kosovo.
The country to which UNSCR applies is to Serbia, and if Kosovo were a province of Montenegro, then UNSCR 1244 would apply to Montenegro and Kosovo.
If the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had changed its name to Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo, then after Montenegro legally became independent, then that country would have been called Serbia and Kosovo, and UNSCR 1244 would apply to Serbia and Kosovo with exactly the same wording.
If such ‘logic’ that UNSCR is no longer valid is used, then this could just as easily be interpreted to mean that Kosovo has no United Nations right to autonomy, because it is one country called Serbia and Kosovo.
As we all know, Serbia is offering its Albanian citizens of Kosovo more than autonomy and less than independence.
If things were that simple, then the Republic of Srpska could just change its name and say that the Dayton Peace Accords to not apply to it.
pre 14 godina
He is right Serbia must have a strategy prepared.
Part of that strategy will of course include an official call for new negotiations - I expect Tadic will make this call himself.
But he will have to have something else up his sleeve to influence renewed negotiations.
pre 14 godina
No one in their right can expect the Albanians to give up independence, everyone know that. There is not one Albanian party or leader who will step ahead.
Re 1244 and Yugo. If Serbia is willing to give Kosova back what it head in 1974 (taken illegally by Slobo), then maybe. But then expect to have an Albanian leader every 6 months like in Yugo time. Serbia wants to be FY without the obligations.
pre 14 godina
Partition could be way. Burt than Presevo is on the table as long as we are diving the land according to populations.
pre 14 godina
wats that presheva not discussed, well i got new for you, Albanian leaders have nothing to exchange, Albania is the only country in the world that borders itself so i doubt they will accept territorial swaps.
pre 14 godina
We have a saying that goes like this: "With no river in sight; he takes the pants off." As far as I am aware ICJ hasn't decided yet and here we have a former Serbian FM suggestive message that it has decided on Serbian favor. Not only that but figuratively speaking he's asking Tadic and company to take their pants off and jump in the river. What you Serbs clearly have in huge amounts is unreasonable euphoria. Something which I have seen among Russians too. This is not just in politics but every day issues too. Maybe its isolated among the friends and coworkers I have or maybe my observation is just plain wrong but it seems to me you guys get euphoric and enthusiastic for no apparent reasons far too often. Peace.
pre 14 godina
J S,
Where have you been so far to come out with some silly ideal of "another Yugoslavia".
Anyway I must admit it was funny...))
pre 14 godina
You have it wrong. If ICJ decides on behalf of UDI then for the first time will have an example of a more powerful country (Serbia) pays back for:
1)terror exercised on its own citizens
2)give back the territory taken by force from another weaker country (Albania)
3)recognize the new entity for not having the moral trust of joining it back (to Serbia)
If ICJ rules against legality of UDI than back to Westfalia when the people were traded back and forth as powers decided without people's consent. At least in Kosovo's case we have the people decede how they want to live.
(Mirub Jager, 14 December 2009 18:12)
???? Sorry my friend, but:
1) albanian terror against their state and serbian citizens of Kosovo - started in 80
2) Territory was taken by force in 15th century, when imperial Turkey conquered Serbia. In 1913 Kosovo backed to Serbia.
3) Albanians should recognize, that in Serbia they were one of state minorities. And any international law give minorities rights for creating more and more small pseudocountries.
pre 14 godina
Remember this, Belgrade will have the final say if Preshevo is up for negotiations not the KLA puppet regime in Pristina
pre 14 godina
MB, Ireland wrote:
"Should the court decide that the declaration of independence by the Albanian Regime in Pristina was legal, well then I have to say that that would be the end of International Law as we have known it, right back to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
In effect this would mean that a powerful country can invade and steal teritory from a weaker country to suit its own ends with impunity".
You have it wrong. If ICJ decides on behalf of UDI then for the first time will have an example of a more powerful country (Serbia) pays back for:
1)terror exercised on its own citizens
2)give back the territory taken by force from another weaker country (Albania)
3)recognize the new entity for not having the moral trust of joining it back (to Serbia)
If ICJ rules against legality of UDI than back to Westfalia when the people were traded back and forth as powers decided without people's consent. At least in Kosovo's case we have the people decede how they want to live.
pre 14 godina
'The best use of an ICJ decision favorable to Serbia and international law would be to sue individually all those countries who have illegally recognized this UDI.
This should have been done already a long time ago but it's never to late :)
(Joachim, 13 December 2009 22:48)'
Now here's an interesting approach to speeding up accession to the EU - take its current members to court.
pre 14 godina
The best use of an ICJ decision favorable to Serbia and international law would be to sue individually all those countries who have illegally recognized this UDI.
This should have been done already a long time ago but it's never to late :)
pre 14 godina
Serbia can save face and accept the court's majority opinion: UDI is legal.
If not, this day will come later, but then under the pressure of 22 EU countries, as a trade-off for EU accession. Or do u really believe that soon-to-be 27 recognitions will be withdrawn to please Serbia's ambitions?
What's the lesser evil? You choose!
(Fisi, 15 December 2009 11:31)
UDI is legal because EU pressure???? bwaaahaaaaahaaaaa
pre 14 godina
Serbia can save face and accept the court's majority opinion: UDI is legal.
If not, this day will come later, but then under the pressure of 22 EU countries, as a trade-off for EU accession. Or do u really believe that soon-to-be 27 recognitions will be withdrawn to please Serbia's ambitions?
What's the lesser evil? You choose!
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