Train travel to Sarajevo reestablished

I wish, they would provide car transport, too. Otherwise the price is pretty good, just the delays are a real pain.

Bosnian Rail has pending purchase of CAF Talgo trainsets, by the way. Unfortunately it looks like they were taken by CAF pretty badly.

Good lession for Zeleznice Srbije: they have a pending purchase of diesel units. CAF and Метровагонмаш are among the top candidates.

Hungary has a few

http://tinyurl.com/y9ej977
http://tinyurl.com/y87q8ks

Same in RU colors:

http://tinyurl.com/y9eqzuw

These are not just cheaper than CAF but more sturdy. True, less fancy maybe.

Their nickname in Hungary is "uzsgyi" and "Putyin". After few issues at begin the Hungarian company likes them better, than "Desiro" of Siemens. But Siemens is more fancy, of course.

Only ONE railroad in Europe is good for Serbian conditions. The rest are expensive and fast toys, broken if conditions are not perfect. To remember: trains are running all year north of Polar Circle - and these are not Spanish or German trains. ;-)

What do train and weapons have in common? However, seeing that you’re an obvious fan of western/democratically designed weapons. How about packing up and I buy you an M16 and then go to Afghanistan. This is putting your money where your mouth is!

'The rest are expensive and fast toys, broken if conditions are not perfect.'

Same design philosophy as for Russian weapons, no?

'The rest are expensive and fast toys, broken if conditions are not perfect.'

Same design philosophy as for Russian weapons, no?
(Amer, 12 December 2009 18:52)

Yes. And they do work, basically. As for trains: regarding the seating/sleeping comfort they actually surpass anything you can get in Western Europe. But they are slower.

I still think, CAF will be probably chosen: many train cars GOSHA factory made in YU were under CAF license. If refurbished and cleaned: these old ZS sleepers are really good.

What do train and weapons have in common? However, seeing that you’re an obvious fan of western/democratically designed weapons. How about packing up and I buy you an M16 and then go to Afghanistan. This is putting your money where your mouth is!
(sj, 12 December 2009 21:41)

I think, you just misunderstood Amer's posting. He was saying, Soviet/Russian weapons do work OK even under tough conditions.

I bet, at least 50% of the anger here roots in simple language misunderstanding.

BTW: in theory the entire Budapest-Belgrade- Thessaloniki ride (167 + 652 + 217 + 79 = 1115 km) should be under 4 hours, making airline travel obsolete.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8406910.stm

This is amazing and an equivalent of Budapest-Moscow-Beijing trains running within 18 hours. That's the way to go for humans, the skies are already way to crowded.

'That's the way to go for humans, the skies are already way to crowded.
(Ataman, 13 December 2009 16:48) '

Agreed. Trains - especially in the old Czechoslovakia - were always my favorite mode of transportation. It's good to see that they're making a comeback. Think of all the time you save just by not having to drive to an airport, drag luggage along miles of concourse, stand in lines for check-in, security, ... And people on trains seem more willing to talk than the grumps cramped in a too-small seat next to you in an airplane - good if you want to practice the language.

Speaking of languages - yes, with everybody here working in multiple languages, the chances for unintended provocation do seem to be multiplied.

'The rest are expensive and fast toys, broken if conditions are not perfect.'

Same design philosophy as for Russian weapons, no?

I wish, they would provide car transport, too. Otherwise the price is pretty good, just the delays are a real pain.

Bosnian Rail has pending purchase of CAF Talgo trainsets, by the way. Unfortunately it looks like they were taken by CAF pretty badly.

Good lession for Zeleznice Srbije: they have a pending purchase of diesel units. CAF and Метровагонмаш are among the top candidates.

Hungary has a few

http://tinyurl.com/y9ej977
http://tinyurl.com/y87q8ks

Same in RU colors:

http://tinyurl.com/y9eqzuw

These are not just cheaper than CAF but more sturdy. True, less fancy maybe.

Their nickname in Hungary is "uzsgyi" and "Putyin". After few issues at begin the Hungarian company likes them better, than "Desiro" of Siemens. But Siemens is more fancy, of course.

Only ONE railroad in Europe is good for Serbian conditions. The rest are expensive and fast toys, broken if conditions are not perfect. To remember: trains are running all year north of Polar Circle - and these are not Spanish or German trains. ;-)

What do train and weapons have in common? However, seeing that you’re an obvious fan of western/democratically designed weapons. How about packing up and I buy you an M16 and then go to Afghanistan. This is putting your money where your mouth is!

'The rest are expensive and fast toys, broken if conditions are not perfect.'

Same design philosophy as for Russian weapons, no?
(Amer, 12 December 2009 18:52)

Yes. And they do work, basically. As for trains: regarding the seating/sleeping comfort they actually surpass anything you can get in Western Europe. But they are slower.

I still think, CAF will be probably chosen: many train cars GOSHA factory made in YU were under CAF license. If refurbished and cleaned: these old ZS sleepers are really good.

What do train and weapons have in common? However, seeing that you’re an obvious fan of western/democratically designed weapons. How about packing up and I buy you an M16 and then go to Afghanistan. This is putting your money where your mouth is!
(sj, 12 December 2009 21:41)

I think, you just misunderstood Amer's posting. He was saying, Soviet/Russian weapons do work OK even under tough conditions.

I bet, at least 50% of the anger here roots in simple language misunderstanding.

BTW: in theory the entire Budapest-Belgrade- Thessaloniki ride (167 + 652 + 217 + 79 = 1115 km) should be under 4 hours, making airline travel obsolete.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8406910.stm

This is amazing and an equivalent of Budapest-Moscow-Beijing trains running within 18 hours. That's the way to go for humans, the skies are already way to crowded.

'That's the way to go for humans, the skies are already way to crowded.
(Ataman, 13 December 2009 16:48) '

Agreed. Trains - especially in the old Czechoslovakia - were always my favorite mode of transportation. It's good to see that they're making a comeback. Think of all the time you save just by not having to drive to an airport, drag luggage along miles of concourse, stand in lines for check-in, security, ... And people on trains seem more willing to talk than the grumps cramped in a too-small seat next to you in an airplane - good if you want to practice the language.

Speaking of languages - yes, with everybody here working in multiple languages, the chances for unintended provocation do seem to be multiplied.