Serbian team comments on ICJ case

Well, after reading the transcripts so far, I'm fairly happy with the way things are going. Serbia is getting some really credible support. It will be interesting to see what China says on Monday and from what I can see, this whole Kosovo independence effort is in serious trouble. Lets hope we can all come back to the negotiating table and map out a future for the province.

Živeli!
(Zoran, 4 December 2009 20:56)

When you are done reading the pro serbia statements start reading those against it.

Well, after reading the transcripts so far, I'm fairly happy with the way things are going. Serbia is getting some really credible support. It will be interesting to see what China says on Monday and from what I can see, this whole Kosovo independence effort is in serious trouble. Lets hope we can all come back to the negotiating table and map out a future for the province.

Živeli!

"Speaking before a panel of 15 ICJ judges, the Bolivian and Brazilian representatives said that the unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo was a violation of international law, adding that the people in Kosovo did not have the right to secede, because, according to international regulations, that right is reserved solely for former colonies and territories under foreign occupation."

And of course it is Serbia and Lula that decide who is under occupation and who is free.

The direct interested that were killed and expelled from their homes in front of the entire world's eyes must not say a word. It is Belgrade that decides for them if they are happy or not free or occupied.

Lets hope we can all come back to the negotiating table and map out a future for the province.

Živeli!
(Zoran, 4 December 2009 20:56)

Where were you for 13 months?
Point fact is that over 63 countries have recognized, and 109 members of IMF...now the next step is to get the Serbs in accordance with reality on the ground --- there will be no negotiations or talks.

'... from what I can see, this whole Kosovo independence effort is in serious trouble.'

But if the Court follows the principle of international law that what is not prohibited is allowed, then it's not.

The more I read the arguments presented by different states, the more this thing looks like a farce.
In a nutshell, the question is very narrow and specific, as it is argued by several states. It is only concerned with the legality of the declaration of independence on Feb 17 - nothing more, nothing less. As US has brilliantly argued, Serbia could have posed a myriad different questions (it even lists them!) but choose not to.
There is no international law governing independence declarations.
Therefore, the question is a moot point. Case closed.
You have to remember that this is a Court of Law, not a political entity. They are obliged to base their judgement on evidence.
Methinks the Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...

It's really stupid to talk of "once again, like so many
times throughout history, stabbed Serbia in the back" when King Milan's army invaded Bulgaria first in 1885...

@ (Al Bundy, 4 December 2009 21:02)

Maybe the Americans did suggest to Burundi that it appear before the ICJ - I frankly have no idea - but the argument the country presented was based on African concerns. Sierra Leone - the only other African state to participate (not counting Egypt, which is more part of the Muslim world) - submitted a written statement in favor of Kosovo's position, although they are not participating in the oral arguments. Despite the assurances Mr. Jeremic obtained during his trip to Africa, the African countries participating in the proceeding are supporting Kosovo.

Burundi ‘s statement was as predictable as the Bulgarian one cause it’s not every microscope which you can find the with. I don’t even think that local US Ambassador had bothered himself with explanations of what they should do at the ICJ. I guess it was some 3-rd Secretary and thus it explains why Burindi’s arguments proved to be “extremely unconvincing”.

Bulgaria could surprise only if they all of a sudden support a Slavic nation. It would be a record worth of the Guinness Book because the last time they fought side by side with a Slavic nation had happened in the 19-th century. Those were the Russians who had come to set them free from the Turks. Ever since they fought against us. In 1941 setting free from fighting the Balkan partisans Tsar Boris has enabled the Germans to reinforce their armies in Russia. So at the ICJ everything was very routine.

"...Basically, it agreed with other countries supporting Kosovo's independence that generally a declaration of independence is not a matter of international law, but "simply a fact." ...

(Amer, 4 December 2009 19:21)..."

>>> And "the simple fact(s)" of International Law will be established better said bullied by the aggression of the violent minds of an Amer and another 306 millions of his countryman and woman.

Amer, will you be continuing insulting our minds, that is the only question here?

Al Bundy, you forgot the latest one. They betrayed all of us in 1999 as well.

"...now the next step is to get the Serbs in accordance with reality on the ground --- there will be no negotiations or talks.
(KOSOVARi, 4 December 2009 22:27) ..."

>>> Southern Province of Serbia or "black hole" on the map of the World and then again after period of educational "black-holing" Southern Province of Serbia.
Choice is yours Kosovo Albanians.

Amer

“African countries participating in the proceeding are supporting Kosovo”

I do not follow the discussion but I guess here you are right cause I can see no African countries which can be called as independent. If you know such one please let me know and we’ll laugh together. All of them balance at the edge of bankruptcy and those which have oil are all occupied or disastered . Anyway don’t start with Sierra Leone this fun I already had.

Thank you for supporting the Bulgarian part of my comment. Trust me they only way to escape their treason is being strong. They betrayed the Russians in June 1941 and they betrayed the Germans in September 1944. Today they support you only from behind Uncle Sam but if something happens to the USD be sure they will betray you sooner than you wink.

dean van serbia:
I think serbs would have had more chances if you went to ICJ instead of jeremic.

'The Serbian delegation stated that the representatives of Burundi had presented an extremely unconvincing interpretation of Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. '

It was interesting to see how the only African country to participate in the oral arguments viewed the matter. Basically, it agreed with other countries supporting Kosovo's independence that generally a declaration of independence is not a matter of international law, but "simply a fact." It's real interest was having the Court confirm that claims of self-determination are valid only in cases of decolonialism - present-day attempts at secession in Africa are the cause of "grave disorders" and should not be encouraged. In any case, le Burundi declared, a ruling unfavorable to Kosovo would have no effect on its existence or the validity of its DoI. In any case, it's interesting to see how local concerns affect different countries' views of the matter; Burundi was just more open about it than most.

"...Dimitroff: We expect also that our good neighbourly relations with Serbia and the Serbian people will
be preserved and further developed as an inherent component of the European mainstream...."

>>> Well, intersting point though I would prefer to relay on Romania, Greece, Slovakia...and China as a great neighbour and leave Bulgaria relation dead and burried.

" by Bulgaria :
25. The international community has, indeed, treated some declarations of independence ⎯
those of Southern Rhodesia and Katanga, for example ⎯ as unlawful, but this approach was
motivated either by the intervention of a third State, or by a violation of international human rights
rules such as prohibition of apartheid and racial discrimination..."

>>> Unlawful indeed.
Third country and violent military organisation are namely USA and Nato.
Racism, murders, destruction of Serbian cultural heritage on Kosovo are the matter of every day exercise from the time of Nato aggression till the present day.

Furthermore "friendly" Bulgarians idea that Kosovo is "present fact on the ground" is such a fundamentally unlawful claim that it is the best illustration of their Bulgarians, Nato and Co. real invasive, agressive and lawless motives and plans for Southern Serbia's Province.

"...Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...
(kalimero, 4 December 2009 22:46) ..."

>>> There is a lot of truth in this claim, but it will still very badly back-clash on him (Jeremic).

>>> Southern Province of Serbia or "black hole" on the map of the World and then again after period of educational "black-holing" Southern Province of Serbia.
Choice is yours Kosovo Albanians.
(dean van der serbia, 4 December 2009 22:51)

Last time I checked Kosovo is showing a net budget increase for 2010-2011 budget by 6% and the economic growth of 5 - 6%.
THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID FOR SERBIA. In fact 1mn Serbs are in poverty, 700k of them kids and 300k are adults -- that's 1 in 8. I also would like to point out that Serbia has borrowed over 3.5bn EUR in loans from Russia, China, IMF, and EUBD to cover deficits and yet shows little growth. Reality on the ground is that with the weakening Dinar you are the BLACK HOLE. Should I even mention the tons of drugs being smuggled from Serbia to EU that we're reading weekly??

So how do you explain in Serbian logic that a "black hole" is showing positive signs in economic growth whereas mighty Serbia (sarcasm here) is showing a decline in all economic areas?

'Amer, will you be continuing insulting our minds, that is the only question here?
(dean van der serbia, 4 December 2009 22:38) '

If you are insulted by facts, yeah, I guess so. Although you shouldn't complain, B92 protects you more than you realize.

Vlad, no its not! You see, king was against unification of Bulgaria in 1885(maybe he was right) because unified Bulgaria represented a threat what proved as true.
Bulgaria attacked Serbia suddenly without declaration of war in battle of Bregalnica (2nd Balkan war) 1913 that ended in serbian victory. WW1, 1915 after serbian retreat from joined german-austro-hungarian forces, Serbs were attacked by Bulgarians. 1941 Bulgarian fascists occupied Serbia and they had committed many atrocities.

“…Amer, will you be continuing insulting our minds, that is the only question here?
(dean van der serbia, 4 December 2009 22:38) '

If you are insulted by facts, yeah, I guess so. Although you shouldn't complain, B92 protects you more than you realize.
(Amer, 5 December 2009 02:24)…”


>>> If the figures like Amer do decide to share with us their genuine non-understanding of Law or whatever else their motives may be for their writings, basing the “legality” of so called Kosovo “independence” on the claim “that it is the present fact on the ground” I can understand it, but when Dr. Zlatko Dimitroff (S.J.D.), Director of the International Law Department, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, underlines Bulgarian legal stand-point on the same “fact”, then that simple claim and "fact" clearly illustrates existence of international conspiracy in criminal operation, namely 78 days of Nato agression on Serbia, in order, as a consequence, to create "the present fact on the ground" and annex the part of Serbian territory.

Kosovo “present fact on the ground” ?
In the criminal case “present fact on the ground” is that the man is dead with the 5cm bullet hole in his chest and 5 liters of the blood missing from his body.
But then Justice is there to point on the criminal.
In "Kosovo case" to underline it very much again, it is US, EU and Nato who with their criminal doings, namely Nato aggression of Serbia, wanted to create "the present fact on the ground" and then to bully the International Law, Affairs and Doings.
All is there: the motives and the criminals.

Serbian legal delegation on ICJ must start a vigorous legal action just now because this “argument” by Bulgaria’s Davidoff (who was the closest ally with Ahtisari btw) legally discloses a single core of the idea in the criminal and conspiracy affair led by US, EU and NATO with the final task to annex Serbian territory based on the lawless and violent criminal affair or simply said Nato agression of Serbia.
On the base of very much this simple fact Serbia must win this Court case.

"...So how do you explain in Serbian logic that a "black hole" is showing positive signs in economic growth whereas mighty Serbia (sarcasm here) is showing a decline in all economic areas?
(KOSOVARi, 5 December 2009 01:36) ..."


>>> More then easy indeed. All it is just US and EU fundings and money. You, Kosovares(Albanian) do produce unfortunately literally and absolutely nothing.
Sorry for such a sad, but truthful conclusion.

And on the other side when you start from literally nothing or zero, every minor step is the 5 or 10 or 15% increase in your economy growth or GDP, whatever you would prefer.

""...Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...
(kalimero, 4 December 2009 22:46) ..."

>>> There is a lot of truth in this claim, but it will still very badly back-clash on him (Jeremic).
(dean van der serbia, 5 December 2009 00:15)"

That's what you want isn't it? Sad.
(Mister, 5 December 2009 01:06) ..."


>>> Not that I want that at all. Serbs should stick together in this difficult times.

Just that his (and his Party DS-Tadic) motives for sending us there, in the first place, are absolutely not clear to me.

On the ICJ we have much more to loose then to win.
Legal case was already without ICJ on our side.
So, why ICJ then?

Missed this one before...good one.

"...Although you shouldn't complain, B92 protects you more than you realize.
(Amer, 5 December 2009 02:24) ..."

>>> Protecting me?
what's happening Amer?
Easily loosing the concept for democracy and difference in opinions?
Remember, battle with words not with guns?

Have I understood it wrong or...you work for some US embassy or...Belgrade?
Description of your work not to be shared with public, sure. Something with "protecting" and with bullying, that's would be for sure.

Well you know, we are in the peaceful land of B92 moderators and theirs therms and conditions in our comments editing otherwise it would not be coming in the end of my mind to drop by on US territory and get under the scrutiny of US "O.J. Simpson style" Law and Justice.
Viva la Texas!
And long live B92 as safe heaven of free words.

If the Serbian team is so pleased about how things are going, why don't they broadcast the sessions? As the Albanians are doing, BTW.

""...Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...
(kalimero, 4 December 2009 22:46) ..."

>>> There is a lot of truth in this claim, but it will still very badly back-clash on him (Jeremic).
(dean van der serbia, 5 December 2009 00:15)"

That's what you want isn't it? Sad.

The Bulgarians supported Serbia's independence from the Ottoman Empire, too. Google "First Bulgarian Legion". I don't think you'll find a plaque on Kalemegdan honoring the Bulgarians who fell there.

Bulgaria attacked Serbia suddenly without declaration of war in battle of Bregalnica (2nd Balkan war) 1913 that ended in serbian victory. WW1, 1915 after serbian retreat from joined german-austro-hungarian forces,

King Milan attached Bulgaria in 1885 because he saw it as a threat... to planned Serbian expanssion into Bulgarian populated lands!
Bulgaria attacked Serbia after all attempts to make Serbia homor the Serbo-Bulgarian treaty sighned the previous year failed. Bulgaria attached Serbia in 1915 again after a whole year of futile persuasions made by Serbias allies!, to attract Bulgaria to the side of the Entente, making Serbia honor the same Seerbo-Bulgarian treaty of 1912! All the Bulgarians got was a vague promis this to be done... after the war. No wander the Germans proved more persuasive.

amer wrote:

i"f the Serbian team is so pleased about how things are going, why don't they broadcast the sessions? As the Albanians are doing, BTW.
(Amer, 7 December 2009 01:17)"

I´d say because the Serbs work for their own living, and do not sit the whole day in cafe´s spending internationally donated money while watching tv.

you know, some people have no time to sit in front of the tv all day.

"Speaking before a panel of 15 ICJ judges, the Bolivian and Brazilian representatives said that the unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo was a violation of international law, adding that the people in Kosovo did not have the right to secede, because, according to international regulations, that right is reserved solely for former colonies and territories under foreign occupation."

And of course it is Serbia and Lula that decide who is under occupation and who is free.

The direct interested that were killed and expelled from their homes in front of the entire world's eyes must not say a word. It is Belgrade that decides for them if they are happy or not free or occupied.

Well, after reading the transcripts so far, I'm fairly happy with the way things are going. Serbia is getting some really credible support. It will be interesting to see what China says on Monday and from what I can see, this whole Kosovo independence effort is in serious trouble. Lets hope we can all come back to the negotiating table and map out a future for the province.

Živeli!
(Zoran, 4 December 2009 20:56)

When you are done reading the pro serbia statements start reading those against it.

Lets hope we can all come back to the negotiating table and map out a future for the province.

Živeli!
(Zoran, 4 December 2009 20:56)

Where were you for 13 months?
Point fact is that over 63 countries have recognized, and 109 members of IMF...now the next step is to get the Serbs in accordance with reality on the ground --- there will be no negotiations or talks.

Well, after reading the transcripts so far, I'm fairly happy with the way things are going. Serbia is getting some really credible support. It will be interesting to see what China says on Monday and from what I can see, this whole Kosovo independence effort is in serious trouble. Lets hope we can all come back to the negotiating table and map out a future for the province.

Živeli!

It's really stupid to talk of "once again, like so many
times throughout history, stabbed Serbia in the back" when King Milan's army invaded Bulgaria first in 1885...

'... from what I can see, this whole Kosovo independence effort is in serious trouble.'

But if the Court follows the principle of international law that what is not prohibited is allowed, then it's not.

"...Dimitroff: We expect also that our good neighbourly relations with Serbia and the Serbian people will
be preserved and further developed as an inherent component of the European mainstream...."

>>> Well, intersting point though I would prefer to relay on Romania, Greece, Slovakia...and China as a great neighbour and leave Bulgaria relation dead and burried.

" by Bulgaria :
25. The international community has, indeed, treated some declarations of independence ⎯
those of Southern Rhodesia and Katanga, for example ⎯ as unlawful, but this approach was
motivated either by the intervention of a third State, or by a violation of international human rights
rules such as prohibition of apartheid and racial discrimination..."

>>> Unlawful indeed.
Third country and violent military organisation are namely USA and Nato.
Racism, murders, destruction of Serbian cultural heritage on Kosovo are the matter of every day exercise from the time of Nato aggression till the present day.

Furthermore "friendly" Bulgarians idea that Kosovo is "present fact on the ground" is such a fundamentally unlawful claim that it is the best illustration of their Bulgarians, Nato and Co. real invasive, agressive and lawless motives and plans for Southern Serbia's Province.

"...now the next step is to get the Serbs in accordance with reality on the ground --- there will be no negotiations or talks.
(KOSOVARi, 4 December 2009 22:27) ..."

>>> Southern Province of Serbia or "black hole" on the map of the World and then again after period of educational "black-holing" Southern Province of Serbia.
Choice is yours Kosovo Albanians.

Burundi ‘s statement was as predictable as the Bulgarian one cause it’s not every microscope which you can find the with. I don’t even think that local US Ambassador had bothered himself with explanations of what they should do at the ICJ. I guess it was some 3-rd Secretary and thus it explains why Burindi’s arguments proved to be “extremely unconvincing”.

Bulgaria could surprise only if they all of a sudden support a Slavic nation. It would be a record worth of the Guinness Book because the last time they fought side by side with a Slavic nation had happened in the 19-th century. Those were the Russians who had come to set them free from the Turks. Ever since they fought against us. In 1941 setting free from fighting the Balkan partisans Tsar Boris has enabled the Germans to reinforce their armies in Russia. So at the ICJ everything was very routine.

'The Serbian delegation stated that the representatives of Burundi had presented an extremely unconvincing interpretation of Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. '

It was interesting to see how the only African country to participate in the oral arguments viewed the matter. Basically, it agreed with other countries supporting Kosovo's independence that generally a declaration of independence is not a matter of international law, but "simply a fact." It's real interest was having the Court confirm that claims of self-determination are valid only in cases of decolonialism - present-day attempts at secession in Africa are the cause of "grave disorders" and should not be encouraged. In any case, le Burundi declared, a ruling unfavorable to Kosovo would have no effect on its existence or the validity of its DoI. In any case, it's interesting to see how local concerns affect different countries' views of the matter; Burundi was just more open about it than most.

"...Basically, it agreed with other countries supporting Kosovo's independence that generally a declaration of independence is not a matter of international law, but "simply a fact." ...

(Amer, 4 December 2009 19:21)..."

>>> And "the simple fact(s)" of International Law will be established better said bullied by the aggression of the violent minds of an Amer and another 306 millions of his countryman and woman.

Amer, will you be continuing insulting our minds, that is the only question here?

@ (Al Bundy, 4 December 2009 21:02)

Maybe the Americans did suggest to Burundi that it appear before the ICJ - I frankly have no idea - but the argument the country presented was based on African concerns. Sierra Leone - the only other African state to participate (not counting Egypt, which is more part of the Muslim world) - submitted a written statement in favor of Kosovo's position, although they are not participating in the oral arguments. Despite the assurances Mr. Jeremic obtained during his trip to Africa, the African countries participating in the proceeding are supporting Kosovo.

The more I read the arguments presented by different states, the more this thing looks like a farce.
In a nutshell, the question is very narrow and specific, as it is argued by several states. It is only concerned with the legality of the declaration of independence on Feb 17 - nothing more, nothing less. As US has brilliantly argued, Serbia could have posed a myriad different questions (it even lists them!) but choose not to.
There is no international law governing independence declarations.
Therefore, the question is a moot point. Case closed.
You have to remember that this is a Court of Law, not a political entity. They are obliged to base their judgement on evidence.
Methinks the Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...

"...Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...
(kalimero, 4 December 2009 22:46) ..."

>>> There is a lot of truth in this claim, but it will still very badly back-clash on him (Jeremic).

Amer

“African countries participating in the proceeding are supporting Kosovo”

I do not follow the discussion but I guess here you are right cause I can see no African countries which can be called as independent. If you know such one please let me know and we’ll laugh together. All of them balance at the edge of bankruptcy and those which have oil are all occupied or disastered . Anyway don’t start with Sierra Leone this fun I already had.

Thank you for supporting the Bulgarian part of my comment. Trust me they only way to escape their treason is being strong. They betrayed the Russians in June 1941 and they betrayed the Germans in September 1944. Today they support you only from behind Uncle Sam but if something happens to the USD be sure they will betray you sooner than you wink.

>>> Southern Province of Serbia or "black hole" on the map of the World and then again after period of educational "black-holing" Southern Province of Serbia.
Choice is yours Kosovo Albanians.
(dean van der serbia, 4 December 2009 22:51)

Last time I checked Kosovo is showing a net budget increase for 2010-2011 budget by 6% and the economic growth of 5 - 6%.
THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID FOR SERBIA. In fact 1mn Serbs are in poverty, 700k of them kids and 300k are adults -- that's 1 in 8. I also would like to point out that Serbia has borrowed over 3.5bn EUR in loans from Russia, China, IMF, and EUBD to cover deficits and yet shows little growth. Reality on the ground is that with the weakening Dinar you are the BLACK HOLE. Should I even mention the tons of drugs being smuggled from Serbia to EU that we're reading weekly??

So how do you explain in Serbian logic that a "black hole" is showing positive signs in economic growth whereas mighty Serbia (sarcasm here) is showing a decline in all economic areas?

Al Bundy, you forgot the latest one. They betrayed all of us in 1999 as well.

"...So how do you explain in Serbian logic that a "black hole" is showing positive signs in economic growth whereas mighty Serbia (sarcasm here) is showing a decline in all economic areas?
(KOSOVARi, 5 December 2009 01:36) ..."


>>> More then easy indeed. All it is just US and EU fundings and money. You, Kosovares(Albanian) do produce unfortunately literally and absolutely nothing.
Sorry for such a sad, but truthful conclusion.

And on the other side when you start from literally nothing or zero, every minor step is the 5 or 10 or 15% increase in your economy growth or GDP, whatever you would prefer.

""...Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...
(kalimero, 4 December 2009 22:46) ..."

>>> There is a lot of truth in this claim, but it will still very badly back-clash on him (Jeremic).
(dean van der serbia, 5 December 2009 00:15)"

That's what you want isn't it? Sad.
(Mister, 5 December 2009 01:06) ..."


>>> Not that I want that at all. Serbs should stick together in this difficult times.

Just that his (and his Party DS-Tadic) motives for sending us there, in the first place, are absolutely not clear to me.

On the ICJ we have much more to loose then to win.
Legal case was already without ICJ on our side.
So, why ICJ then?

'Amer, will you be continuing insulting our minds, that is the only question here?
(dean van der serbia, 4 December 2009 22:38) '

If you are insulted by facts, yeah, I guess so. Although you shouldn't complain, B92 protects you more than you realize.

“…Amer, will you be continuing insulting our minds, that is the only question here?
(dean van der serbia, 4 December 2009 22:38) '

If you are insulted by facts, yeah, I guess so. Although you shouldn't complain, B92 protects you more than you realize.
(Amer, 5 December 2009 02:24)…”


>>> If the figures like Amer do decide to share with us their genuine non-understanding of Law or whatever else their motives may be for their writings, basing the “legality” of so called Kosovo “independence” on the claim “that it is the present fact on the ground” I can understand it, but when Dr. Zlatko Dimitroff (S.J.D.), Director of the International Law Department, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, underlines Bulgarian legal stand-point on the same “fact”, then that simple claim and "fact" clearly illustrates existence of international conspiracy in criminal operation, namely 78 days of Nato agression on Serbia, in order, as a consequence, to create "the present fact on the ground" and annex the part of Serbian territory.

Kosovo “present fact on the ground” ?
In the criminal case “present fact on the ground” is that the man is dead with the 5cm bullet hole in his chest and 5 liters of the blood missing from his body.
But then Justice is there to point on the criminal.
In "Kosovo case" to underline it very much again, it is US, EU and Nato who with their criminal doings, namely Nato aggression of Serbia, wanted to create "the present fact on the ground" and then to bully the International Law, Affairs and Doings.
All is there: the motives and the criminals.

Serbian legal delegation on ICJ must start a vigorous legal action just now because this “argument” by Bulgaria’s Davidoff (who was the closest ally with Ahtisari btw) legally discloses a single core of the idea in the criminal and conspiracy affair led by US, EU and NATO with the final task to annex Serbian territory based on the lawless and violent criminal affair or simply said Nato agression of Serbia.
On the base of very much this simple fact Serbia must win this Court case.

Vlad, no its not! You see, king was against unification of Bulgaria in 1885(maybe he was right) because unified Bulgaria represented a threat what proved as true.
Bulgaria attacked Serbia suddenly without declaration of war in battle of Bregalnica (2nd Balkan war) 1913 that ended in serbian victory. WW1, 1915 after serbian retreat from joined german-austro-hungarian forces, Serbs were attacked by Bulgarians. 1941 Bulgarian fascists occupied Serbia and they had committed many atrocities.

Missed this one before...good one.

"...Although you shouldn't complain, B92 protects you more than you realize.
(Amer, 5 December 2009 02:24) ..."

>>> Protecting me?
what's happening Amer?
Easily loosing the concept for democracy and difference in opinions?
Remember, battle with words not with guns?

Have I understood it wrong or...you work for some US embassy or...Belgrade?
Description of your work not to be shared with public, sure. Something with "protecting" and with bullying, that's would be for sure.

Well you know, we are in the peaceful land of B92 moderators and theirs therms and conditions in our comments editing otherwise it would not be coming in the end of my mind to drop by on US territory and get under the scrutiny of US "O.J. Simpson style" Law and Justice.
Viva la Texas!
And long live B92 as safe heaven of free words.

""...Jeremic is playing the Serbian public for his own political purposes.
This way they get to win points with nationalists AND get rid of the Kosovo problem in one shot.
Wait and see...
(kalimero, 4 December 2009 22:46) ..."

>>> There is a lot of truth in this claim, but it will still very badly back-clash on him (Jeremic).
(dean van der serbia, 5 December 2009 00:15)"

That's what you want isn't it? Sad.

dean van serbia:
I think serbs would have had more chances if you went to ICJ instead of jeremic.

If the Serbian team is so pleased about how things are going, why don't they broadcast the sessions? As the Albanians are doing, BTW.

Bulgaria attacked Serbia suddenly without declaration of war in battle of Bregalnica (2nd Balkan war) 1913 that ended in serbian victory. WW1, 1915 after serbian retreat from joined german-austro-hungarian forces,

King Milan attached Bulgaria in 1885 because he saw it as a threat... to planned Serbian expanssion into Bulgarian populated lands!
Bulgaria attacked Serbia after all attempts to make Serbia homor the Serbo-Bulgarian treaty sighned the previous year failed. Bulgaria attached Serbia in 1915 again after a whole year of futile persuasions made by Serbias allies!, to attract Bulgaria to the side of the Entente, making Serbia honor the same Seerbo-Bulgarian treaty of 1912! All the Bulgarians got was a vague promis this to be done... after the war. No wander the Germans proved more persuasive.

The Bulgarians supported Serbia's independence from the Ottoman Empire, too. Google "First Bulgarian Legion". I don't think you'll find a plaque on Kalemegdan honoring the Bulgarians who fell there.

amer wrote:

i"f the Serbian team is so pleased about how things are going, why don't they broadcast the sessions? As the Albanians are doing, BTW.
(Amer, 7 December 2009 01:17)"

I´d say because the Serbs work for their own living, and do not sit the whole day in cafe´s spending internationally donated money while watching tv.

you know, some people have no time to sit in front of the tv all day.