We're wise, composed and strong, says FM

Sebastian,

Vuk is doing an excellent job defending Serbia in the international arena. Why do you think the Albanians harp on him so much? He must be doing something right.

Well written point Sebastian.

But...

"If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there."

Kosovo is a province within Serbia, and unless I am mistaken Vuk does actually live there.

"If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide."

Actually, and sadly, it is perfectly normal for daily issue of press releases by all governments. I think that you will find that the Pristina govt is also hard at work in this area, backed by its various media savvy mates.

"And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all."

Quite the opposite. He is strong enough to face the battle head on, rise above the provocations and handle this challenge professionally and diplomatically.

I think that Vuk has done a great job so far on the international stage, plus he can actually speak with knowledge and conviction which is more than most of our politicians can do nowadays.

If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there. If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide. And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all.

Hahah funny guy vuk

Vuk is doing an excellent job defending Serbia in the international arena. Why do you think the Albanians harp on him so much? He must be doing something right.
(Matthew, 1 December 2009 17:38)

Vuk is a demagogue, and that's all it is to it. He is an empty hypocrit. Albanians "harp" on him, just like anyone else who has the unfortunate to listen to his "lectures". He is an irritating figure dressed up in his own condor of majesty as the savior of Serbian Nation. Furthermore we Albanians have a personal disgust for him, since he denies our suffering and insults our dead. If this is to you an "excellent job" , I wish that he does more of it. It will simply imply the fact that Serbia has no remorse about what it did and that the extreme nationalism is alive and healthy in Serbia.
I remember the same comments when Kostunica was in power on how good job he was doing.

According to your logic, we have endured a lot of insults as ethnic Albanians and as persons in this forum. We must be doing an excellent job then.
Don't be childish. It's time for you and the others to understand that justice will prevail.

He told reporters in The Hague that Serbia’s legal team will present the judges with arguments that it is unacceptable to in the 21st century tear apart a peaceful country, a UN member-state, against its will – "because if that is allowed, then anything is allowed.”

Peaceful country? Is he still talking about Serbia?

If that is not allowed than people's in many repressive countries will be subject to extended abuses of their human rights.
After all I can't recall not even one country declaring independence just becase. Isn't it the case that usually parts of a entity separate because of the repression towards their rights and what not?

That is a very desperate speach from a very scared person.

Sebastien,
according to your logic, once could say that the USA and all EU members that have rcognized Kosovo should mind their own business.

Or is meddling only acceptable at your discretion, as your our very qualified in making these ludicrous statements.

I say that Serbia and Kosovo's inhabitants resolve their problems on their own. This matter is Serbia's internal affair; as Kosovo is Serbian.

"That is a very desperate speach from a very scared person." (Mr Q)

-- I'll take what you consider to be a "desperate" speech any day over the cocky and delusional fantasies by Sejdiu who thinks Kosovo's arguments are "invincible"

http://www.isria.com/pages/1_December_2009_123.php

Temperate minds always win out over boasters, particularly those who rely so much on the support and goodwill of other powers to give it legitimacy.

It is very encouraging to see and hear about the dignified and intelligent manner in which the Serbian delegation is presenting it's case to the ICJ. Now the entire world will see if international laws will truly prevail over politics and pressure tactics....or if the "spin meisters" will succeed in turning moral and international laws into outright corruption and chaos. Minorities throughout the world will be looking to the ICJ's decision.....can the ICJ afford to promote future anarchy in the world? Will ANY country be safe??? And now it's being reported....on the very first day of the hearings that the K-albs are threatening instability and war if the court does not rule in their favour. The West sees the kind of "Pandora's Box" that was opened with Kosovo's illegal UDI- now, by letting the ICJ judges give their "unpressured and unbiased" opinion would be the appropriate time and venue for the West to re-trace their thinking on the true legitimacy of Kosovo.

".. Serbia’s legal team will present the judges with arguments that it is unacceptable to in the 21st century tear apart a peaceful country, a UN member-state"

The Court will hold you to that when it comes to weigh it up whether Serbia actions in former Yugoslavia including Kosovo/a, as a UN member-state whether they were acceptable in the 21st century?


... "because if that is allowed, then anything is allowed.”

The Court might look at that as a straight threat what Serbia will be doing next in Bosnia should the Court's Opinion go against Serbia's expectations.



"....fight for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia, until our final victory,” Jeremić said, concluding that “Kosovo was, is and will remain a part of Serbia”.

That is a proof of Serbia slogan/demagogy for a "compromise solution to Kosova/a" where "there would be no winner or losers".

The Court will be very happy to consider all the arguments on table but one thing is CERTAIN, THERE WILL NO RETURN TO SERBIA.

Well I think it's safe to say a number of other entities will be looking at the ICJ proceedings carefully and map out their own strategy.

Here's one for Scotland, which may not get independence, but could get something even more sweeping than Vojvodina (I see Salmon as Scotland's Canak)

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/140958-scottish-constitution-white-paper-launched-by-first-minister/

But here's another interesting tidbit that came across the wires today that I'm sure lots of eyes will be quickly focused on:

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=243426

Why Jeremic is calling the ICJ for it opinion? He has already a verdict on Kosovos legal and justified independence! The ICJ should take the verdict of Jeremic an use it as it own. Because if the will not decided so as Jeremic is awaiting,he will blame you all around the world. As Prishtina very well knows, the ICJ should not make Jeremic as his enemy, because it will be catastrophic for the ICJ.

I do not thing Serbian people are bad people, I have met many many great ones issue here is that we are to families on same block who have had some long history together and not a good one.

Unless EU is prepared to accept all Albanian population as refugees Kosovo will stay independant is not going no place. But I do see some territory move between North Kosovo and South Serbia if cooler heads prevail.

Trepca even if it had oil its not worth it, we do not trust each other. If K-albanians cant live under Serbis neither can Serbs.

Most Serbian people and I have visited there many times do not care. People want jobs and a good life.

Its sad that only nationalists come here, and repeat same thing over and over and most who do not even live in Serbia nor Kosovo Including my self.

I know Albanians are prepared to even suffer long time but never go under Serbian rule, look at Pols and rest of East Europeans how they dont Trust Russia fear is a hard thing to overcome. I know Serbia has good relations with Russia but trust me No superpower is good US nor Russia nor China they use us like chess peaces.

No metter what the outcome will be we have to live together in the end we are Komsije (And if Kosovo goes under Serbia then my dear Serbs dont you think you should be more inviting)

This is just my opinion either:

1) Kosovo stays as is and North Mitro and some small part under Serbia. Some Serbian Part Under Kosovo.

2) Big war .... any one prepared for war??? I dont think so.

As well we have Jason to keep all in check.

Mike,

What is your point about Scotland? I see nothing similar.

If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there. If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide. And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all.
(Sebastian, 1 December 2009 17:19)

Vuk should leave the issue of Kosovo to those who live there? Why? Kosovo is in Serbia so that makes it his business.

He doesn't live in Nis or Novi Sad either so should he not concern himself with that too?

"Wise, Composed,Strong" is this the kind of rhetoric they teach at Harward.

If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there. If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide. And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all.
(Sebastian, 1 December 2009 17:19)

If the Germans were wise they wouldn`t meddle all 30-40 years into Balkan affairs only to get a bloody noose beating shortly after.
Remember 1918 and 1945?
My dear friend,we Serbs will decide and have the last word on it,you can count on that.

my dear fellow-serbs!

first of all, do not fall for those cheapish albanian attempts to create tensions between german and serbs, since we all here should know that this "Sebastian" is neither german nor english, it´s just another quite naive albanian kid using foreign names to provoke serb anger.

as for the comment of "Sebastian":

at least the serb FM speaks fluently english, and he even graduated in Harvard , oh ...sorry, "Harward" of course.

:)

Hahah funny guy vuk

If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there. If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide. And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all.

Vuk is doing an excellent job defending Serbia in the international arena. Why do you think the Albanians harp on him so much? He must be doing something right.
(Matthew, 1 December 2009 17:38)

Vuk is a demagogue, and that's all it is to it. He is an empty hypocrit. Albanians "harp" on him, just like anyone else who has the unfortunate to listen to his "lectures". He is an irritating figure dressed up in his own condor of majesty as the savior of Serbian Nation. Furthermore we Albanians have a personal disgust for him, since he denies our suffering and insults our dead. If this is to you an "excellent job" , I wish that he does more of it. It will simply imply the fact that Serbia has no remorse about what it did and that the extreme nationalism is alive and healthy in Serbia.
I remember the same comments when Kostunica was in power on how good job he was doing.

According to your logic, we have endured a lot of insults as ethnic Albanians and as persons in this forum. We must be doing an excellent job then.
Don't be childish. It's time for you and the others to understand that justice will prevail.

He told reporters in The Hague that Serbia’s legal team will present the judges with arguments that it is unacceptable to in the 21st century tear apart a peaceful country, a UN member-state, against its will – "because if that is allowed, then anything is allowed.”

Peaceful country? Is he still talking about Serbia?

If that is not allowed than people's in many repressive countries will be subject to extended abuses of their human rights.
After all I can't recall not even one country declaring independence just becase. Isn't it the case that usually parts of a entity separate because of the repression towards their rights and what not?

That is a very desperate speach from a very scared person.

Why Jeremic is calling the ICJ for it opinion? He has already a verdict on Kosovos legal and justified independence! The ICJ should take the verdict of Jeremic an use it as it own. Because if the will not decided so as Jeremic is awaiting,he will blame you all around the world. As Prishtina very well knows, the ICJ should not make Jeremic as his enemy, because it will be catastrophic for the ICJ.

Well written point Sebastian.

But...

"If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there."

Kosovo is a province within Serbia, and unless I am mistaken Vuk does actually live there.

"If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide."

Actually, and sadly, it is perfectly normal for daily issue of press releases by all governments. I think that you will find that the Pristina govt is also hard at work in this area, backed by its various media savvy mates.

"And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all."

Quite the opposite. He is strong enough to face the battle head on, rise above the provocations and handle this challenge professionally and diplomatically.

I think that Vuk has done a great job so far on the international stage, plus he can actually speak with knowledge and conviction which is more than most of our politicians can do nowadays.

Sebastian,

Vuk is doing an excellent job defending Serbia in the international arena. Why do you think the Albanians harp on him so much? He must be doing something right.

It is very encouraging to see and hear about the dignified and intelligent manner in which the Serbian delegation is presenting it's case to the ICJ. Now the entire world will see if international laws will truly prevail over politics and pressure tactics....or if the "spin meisters" will succeed in turning moral and international laws into outright corruption and chaos. Minorities throughout the world will be looking to the ICJ's decision.....can the ICJ afford to promote future anarchy in the world? Will ANY country be safe??? And now it's being reported....on the very first day of the hearings that the K-albs are threatening instability and war if the court does not rule in their favour. The West sees the kind of "Pandora's Box" that was opened with Kosovo's illegal UDI- now, by letting the ICJ judges give their "unpressured and unbiased" opinion would be the appropriate time and venue for the West to re-trace their thinking on the true legitimacy of Kosovo.

Sebastien,
according to your logic, once could say that the USA and all EU members that have rcognized Kosovo should mind their own business.

Or is meddling only acceptable at your discretion, as your our very qualified in making these ludicrous statements.

I say that Serbia and Kosovo's inhabitants resolve their problems on their own. This matter is Serbia's internal affair; as Kosovo is Serbian.

"That is a very desperate speach from a very scared person." (Mr Q)

-- I'll take what you consider to be a "desperate" speech any day over the cocky and delusional fantasies by Sejdiu who thinks Kosovo's arguments are "invincible"

http://www.isria.com/pages/1_December_2009_123.php

Temperate minds always win out over boasters, particularly those who rely so much on the support and goodwill of other powers to give it legitimacy.

".. Serbia’s legal team will present the judges with arguments that it is unacceptable to in the 21st century tear apart a peaceful country, a UN member-state"

The Court will hold you to that when it comes to weigh it up whether Serbia actions in former Yugoslavia including Kosovo/a, as a UN member-state whether they were acceptable in the 21st century?


... "because if that is allowed, then anything is allowed.”

The Court might look at that as a straight threat what Serbia will be doing next in Bosnia should the Court's Opinion go against Serbia's expectations.



"....fight for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia, until our final victory,” Jeremić said, concluding that “Kosovo was, is and will remain a part of Serbia”.

That is a proof of Serbia slogan/demagogy for a "compromise solution to Kosova/a" where "there would be no winner or losers".

The Court will be very happy to consider all the arguments on table but one thing is CERTAIN, THERE WILL NO RETURN TO SERBIA.

I do not thing Serbian people are bad people, I have met many many great ones issue here is that we are to families on same block who have had some long history together and not a good one.

Unless EU is prepared to accept all Albanian population as refugees Kosovo will stay independant is not going no place. But I do see some territory move between North Kosovo and South Serbia if cooler heads prevail.

Trepca even if it had oil its not worth it, we do not trust each other. If K-albanians cant live under Serbis neither can Serbs.

Most Serbian people and I have visited there many times do not care. People want jobs and a good life.

Its sad that only nationalists come here, and repeat same thing over and over and most who do not even live in Serbia nor Kosovo Including my self.

I know Albanians are prepared to even suffer long time but never go under Serbian rule, look at Pols and rest of East Europeans how they dont Trust Russia fear is a hard thing to overcome. I know Serbia has good relations with Russia but trust me No superpower is good US nor Russia nor China they use us like chess peaces.

No metter what the outcome will be we have to live together in the end we are Komsije (And if Kosovo goes under Serbia then my dear Serbs dont you think you should be more inviting)

This is just my opinion either:

1) Kosovo stays as is and North Mitro and some small part under Serbia. Some Serbian Part Under Kosovo.

2) Big war .... any one prepared for war??? I dont think so.

As well we have Jason to keep all in check.

Well I think it's safe to say a number of other entities will be looking at the ICJ proceedings carefully and map out their own strategy.

Here's one for Scotland, which may not get independence, but could get something even more sweeping than Vojvodina (I see Salmon as Scotland's Canak)

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/140958-scottish-constitution-white-paper-launched-by-first-minister/

But here's another interesting tidbit that came across the wires today that I'm sure lots of eyes will be quickly focused on:

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=243426

If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there. If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide. And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all.
(Sebastian, 1 December 2009 17:19)

Vuk should leave the issue of Kosovo to those who live there? Why? Kosovo is in Serbia so that makes it his business.

He doesn't live in Nis or Novi Sad either so should he not concern himself with that too?

Mike,

What is your point about Scotland? I see nothing similar.

"Wise, Composed,Strong" is this the kind of rhetoric they teach at Harward.

If Vuk was wise, he would leave talk of Kosovo to those who actually live there. If Vuk was composed, he would not feel the need to go around issuing press statements every day on an issue that he does not decide. And if he was strong, he would not be appealing to the ICJ at all.
(Sebastian, 1 December 2009 17:19)

If the Germans were wise they wouldn`t meddle all 30-40 years into Balkan affairs only to get a bloody noose beating shortly after.
Remember 1918 and 1945?
My dear friend,we Serbs will decide and have the last word on it,you can count on that.

my dear fellow-serbs!

first of all, do not fall for those cheapish albanian attempts to create tensions between german and serbs, since we all here should know that this "Sebastian" is neither german nor english, it´s just another quite naive albanian kid using foreign names to provoke serb anger.

as for the comment of "Sebastian":

at least the serb FM speaks fluently english, and he even graduated in Harvard , oh ...sorry, "Harward" of course.

:)