"ICJ will see Kosovo proclamation as secession"

Olf: "I am not a law expert however, I would have liked to ask Mr. Jeremic to give me more details about the roots of Int. Law and its development/changes through decades, and why THE WILL of one suppresed nation for Independece is worth less than the WILL of another nation."

I hope you don't mind me giving my response to this rhetorical question, but it's because Serbia is an established nation with legally recognised borders.

Kosovo is not a nation under law; it is an international protectorate which remains within the boundaries of Serbia. That is why the case will probably be heard as a seccession of territory.

Event if everything was as painted and the Kosovo Albanians were 'morally entitled' to annex territory, it cannot be allowed under law. There are millions of people who feel morally justified to announce their independence, but such a move has to be done with the consent and agreement of the nation within whose boundaries it sits.

The whole point of international law is to prevent such moves being made on the basis of political spin, moral arguments and the interests of other outside parties.

Boundaries of UN nations have to be protected by the UN. There was an agreement to end the conflict of 1999 which was based upon Kosovo remaining part of Serbia, as enshrined in UN Res 1244.

Nobody can just overlook this and change the boundaries of a nation.

Vuk are you ready to recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state if ICJ rules in Kosovos favor?

ICJ decision or not, Kosovo's independence is permanently blocked by Russia and China. A few recognitions revoked or added either way will not change much.

Imagine all of this effort being focused into realistic negotiations. That would have more impact on the ground than these side-shows.

Kosovo is Serbian land, regardless of how many albanian immigrants live there. The ICJ ruling will prove that.
Great job Jeremic!

As far as I can see things, Kososovo is, and always has been, a province of a sovereign state, Serbia. As far as I know the albanian population, living there, were originally invited to stay and live there. Just because they are now a majority does that give them the right to proclaim independence? I think not. Question to the Albanian population in Kososvo;If I was invited to live in your house, indefinitely, and over time my family is larger than yours, should I then have the right to proclaim your house as mine?

Olf,
instead, ask yourself why a minority Albanians living in the Serbian province of Kosovo are able to dictate the majority of Serbians.

Kosovo is a province, not a country.

Anyways, if Kosovo were a country, then it would be given Visa free travel.

Kosovo-USA - "Turkey is a country and did not get white shengen visa."

That's because hardly anyone in Europe consider Turkey to be European - Just ask the Germans and French what they think!!

Arta

You may have had autonomy. However, you abused this. That's how everything spiralled out of control! Anyway, I see the Swiss have banned minarets. Clearly, Kosovo has served as a wake-up call to Europe's Christians. Stay tuned. It will be interesting to see how things pan out in the European theatre. Already, all the Balkan countries with a Muslim majority are banned from visa free travel. Makes me wonder whether the West wants Kosovo separated from Serbia os as to keep out the albos.

" You can't treat minorities that way and still have the moral or legal right to rule them.
(aRta, 30 November 2009 10:48)..."

I suppose that you intended to say that Serbia should treat its minorities as Turkey treat its Kurd minority?

Turkey is a country and did not get white shengen visa.
(Kosova-USA, 30 November 2009 13:24)

You've just proved my earlier point :) Your name is not on the list, YOU'RE NOT COMING IN !

Maybe you should join Turkey in some kind of misfit union. After all, they were the ones that brought you over from the caucuses.

“This will be a historic process."

Naturally it will...


"There have never been more countries signing up to participate in a public debate, and never all five permanent members of the UN Security Council."

Most of UN Security Council members will VOTE IN KOSOVO FAVOUR, dear Jeremic, you know this pretty well...is this another of your victories

"This is a result of hard diplomatic work by all Serbian state institutions and I can say that since the independence proclamation of February 17, 2009 until today, our battle for Kosovo has resembled a chess match,” Jeremić said.

BLA BLA...no need to comment to such such muppet comments who are lying their nations on continues basis

"was an ethnically motivated effort of secession which represents a violation of international law,”

Ummmm...no. Trying to clear the Albanians from Kosova with tanks was ethnically motivated and a violation on international law (The court in the same building found so).

Remember that Kosova had autonomy and that didn't work so to exercise our rights we need independence. You can't treat minorities that way and still have the moral or legal right to rule them.

Kate,

God bless your patience explaining something that should be common knowledge to someone who hasn't got a clue. Well stated post as always.

Maybe you should join Turkey in some kind of misfit union. After all, they were the ones that brought you over from the caucuses.
(dingdong, 30 November 2009 15:10)

Thats an oboselete theory made by serbian propaganda to legimize their land grab form Albanians.

That theory was made obsoelet by a German philologist Franz Bopp that proved that modern day Albanina's language is Indo-European NOT Caucasian as you say.

when you post something like that please put some refrences otherwise Its just Serbian propaganda.

I am not a law expert however, I would have liked to ask Mr. Jeremic to give me more details about the roots of Int. Law and its development/changes through decades, and why THE WILL of one suppresed nation for Independece is worth less than the WILL of another nation.

We already have had full legality based on the history of World diplomacy on our side and now we are giving the chance that other side and their "sui generis" case may become legal and relevant.

We must be brainless nuts to start this process.
(dean van der serbia, 30 November 2009 16:22)

Seriously, your statements excude nothing but pessimism and are providing ammunition to Team Albania to fire at Serbia.

Vuk Jeremic is doing a fantastic job for Serbia. He has flown around the world, launched a very successful diplomatic offensive for Serbia which has all but halted Pristina's UDD that they are now forced to bribe tiny island states to make up the numbers. Serbai has forged even closer links to China, African Union, Latin America and SE Asia. Jeremic has undone alot of the damage that Slobbo did to Serbia and has reopened all the old links that Yugoslavia had with the NAM countries. Serbia's name is no longer tainted. Belgrade has come along way and the current administration has shown that Serbian politics has finally matured. The ICJ verdict will be the icing on the cake and will force Pristina back to the negotiating table for meaningful and constructive final status talks.

I suspect that you are one of the Serbian diaspora who has absolutely no clue about what is happening in Serbia.

What is funny is that everyone is so sure that the court will rule in favor of Kosovo's UDI or Serbia's stance. The truth is, unless you share a pillow with some of the court's members, you have absolutely no idea what to expect. I recall a passage from Peter Matthiessen's book, The Snow Leopard, in which he revealed some great wisdom of a Buddhist monk, "Expect nothing". It's hard to be disappointed when you expect nothing. I beg everyone to wait and see what the ruling will be. We all want something, but the final decision is out of our hands.

If Jeremic fails this one as well, he should really step down from politics. He's been an FM for two terms now and has not won a single battle. Saying "Hague is biased" is not enough. I mean I'm glad that our opponents have such a weak FM, but we want some challenge.

I suppose that you intended to say that Serbia should treat its minorities as Turkey treat its Kurd minority?-
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Take it up with the Turks. All we know is what happened in Kosova, even Hague convicted Serbia for it, making it an established fact. Turkey can easily offer Kurds autonomy now and tht's all you owe to minorities, unless...:
"The Trial Chamber found that these crimes were committed in the execution of a joint criminal enterprise, the purpose of which was to “use violence and terror to force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians from their homes and across the borders, in order for the state authorities to maintain control over Kosovo”.

This “widespread campaign of violence that was directed against the Kosovo Albanian population between March and June 1999” was “conducted in an organised manner, utilising significant state resources,” the Trial Chamber found."
http://www.icty.org/sid/10070

This move by Democratic Party and Tadic and Jeremic, namely Serbia's case with ICJ questioning the legality of Kosovo secession, is the biggest plunder of Serbian politics equal to Milosevic dilettantism.

We already have had full legality based on the history of World diplomacy on our side and now we are giving the chance that other side and their "sui generis" case may become legal and relevant.

We must be brainless nuts to start this process.

Anyways, if Kosovo were a country, then it would be given Visa free travel.
(Another Canadian Serb, 30 November 2009 12:21


Turkey is a country and did not get white shengen visa.

Since the independence proclamation of February 17, 2009 until today, our battle for Kosovo has resembled a chess match,” Jeremić said.

another black albanian pawn, in the hopeless ordeal to make himself a queen, has been swiftly dealt with by the serbian strelac, russian rook and chinese chariot.

the remaining black pawns walked into a trap when they exchanged their serbian passport for a 'kosova' one... now they can't move anywhere on the board at all. :( :D ;)

Easy match for Kosovo and its allies, while we will bring evidence our autonomy being taken away by Serbs who voted Milosevic and supported his action for a greater Serbia throughout former Yugoslavia, later the horror Kosovo saw again with full Serbian support. Serbian part in other hand will rely on mythology and their paintings. You dont need to be a scientist to figure out the outcome. The funny part will be when ICJ comes out in favour of Kosovo, Serbia will still claim they are right and International Law is what Russia and China say it is, that my friends is by oppressing the minority.

KOSOVARi - A lesson in economics and statistics. if you don't have adequate systems in place to gather all the relevant information then you can't make any realistic or relevant conclusion from the data.

Kosovo (or it's allies) has no way of knowing if it's economy is growing or shrinking or going nowhere fast.

Just wondering if Thaci would need a passport to enter Spain and all the other countries in the world who have not recognised Kosovo.

If he does, which passport would be accepted there?

As a PM he needs to travel wherever his job takes him. He can't only visit 63 countries.

In another news the GDP growth for 2010 is in the 5 - 6% for Kosova. Also starting Jan 1st, 2010 the KP personnel will receive a pay increase from 20 EUR to 200 EUR.

TO Peggy and Terry
first to Peggy Spain has recognized Kosovo passoprts just like has Slovakia, Romania and mighty China.
Terry are you sure you know what you are talking about? Not even Milosevic regime didnt think of a crazy idea like that.
Lately all the comments coming from the Serb side are the same. Kosovo is a province of serbia, Kosovo is serbia etc.

Just wondering if Thaci would need a passport to enter Spain and all the other countries in the world who have not recognised Kosovo.

If he does, which passport would be accepted there?

As a PM he needs to travel wherever his job takes him. He can't only visit 63 countries.
(Peggy, 30 November 2009 21:41)

Assuming that the recognitions stop there, why would he need to travel elsewhere. 63 countries countrol 75% of the economy. I know we have the diehards here who predict the collapse of the west and that China and Russia are the new future, but we are still living in the present.

If you dismiss everything that happened over the last 20 years the ICJ might consider it a secession. But since Kosovo existed as a UN protectorate for 9 years and the UN appointed deignees determined that there was no chance of a negotiated settlement and then negotiations were extended and the majority again ruled that there was no possiblilty of a negotiated settlement. Leaving only the options of Kosovo as a protectorate or a independent state, I do not think secession will be in the verdict legal or illegal.

To all those who say "Albanians were invited to live in Kosovo, are immigrants" etc.

Read a book or something and try again. Seriously. Can you show me some proof of this "invitation"? When was it mnade? By whom? Did it come with any preconditions? And please, please, please do not quote me Wikipedia or Serbiana.

TO Peggy and Terry
first to Peggy Spain has recognized Kosovo passoprts just like has Slovakia, Romania and mighty China.
Terry are you sure you know what you are talking about? Not even Milosevic regime didnt think of a crazy idea like that.
Lately all the comments coming from the Serb side are the same. Kosovo is a province of serbia, Kosovo is serbia etc.
(Spunky, 30 November 2009 23:40)

OK, so I am worse than Milosevic.

What do you mean "Lately comments coming from Serbia side are that Kosovo is Serbia"?

We've always said that. It's not something we though up lately.

"...Vuk Jeremic is doing a fantastic job for Serbia...The ICJ verdict will be the icing on the cake and will force Pristina back to the negotiating table for meaningful and constructive final status talks.

(Niall O'Doherty, 30 November 2009 17:47) ..."


>>> You sound like Vuk Jeremic himself and for the fun of this comment I will presume so.

So dear Vuk, straight to bed now and have a good sleep because tomorrow there is a mega big job in front of you and better do it good because you and your boss arranged this s... for us.

Personally I like you, like new and young faces, your act is intelligent, strong, direct, focused (followed you on TV interview few days ago with genuine looser Mrs. Pesic and you won epically), but only problem is that you are in the service of wrong boss.
Tadic is dumm legalist and I guess this mess is cooked in his mind-kitchen.
There is no independent Court tomorrow! Stakes are too high. Russian and Chinese judge with his mind on Tibet and Taiwan are voting for us and US judge surely as he was told. Same progression for another 12 judges.
That Tadic naivety is just pathetical.

So sleep well and do your best tomorrow for our Serbia.

"The whole point of international law is to prevent such moves being made on the basis of political spin, moral arguments and the interests of other outside parties." - Kate

The whole point of Int. Law is to defend peace and stability. Currently both these are secured by K-Independence.

The whole point of Int. Law is to defend peace and stability. Currently both these are secured by K-Independence.
(miri, 30 November 2009 21:57)

So if the decision doesn't go your way you will start trouble.

The law is the law and if someone breaks it the court is not going to say well have it your way because we are worried you will turn nasty if we rule against you.

I know the posters here will keep staring at crystal balls and declare with utmost certainty how the ICJ will rule.

Politicians on both sides however, should be smart enough and go into a "quiet" period until ICJ is through with its ruling.
At the very least, this would avoid potential future embarrassment of the "losing" party. It's also pretty obnoxious to ask someone for an opinion and then predict what that opinion will be.

KOSOVARi - A lesson in economics and statistics. if you don't have adequate systems in place to gather all the relevant information then you can't make any realistic or relevant conclusion from the data. --RADOSLAV

Radoslav,

there is no such thing as "relevant information" not one country can gather all the information to have a 100% accurate answer.

My statistics are based on ESK (Statistical Office of Kosova) which has been professionally run since its' inception in 1948.

Let's wait and see.

Gongratulations to Serbian nation they will win like usual but every victory have the X price to be payed

Lately all the comments coming from the Serb side are the same. Kosovo is a province of serbia, Kosovo is serbia etc.
(Spunky, 30 November 2009 23:40)
Spunky - first You must say similar to all Azerbaijani, Georgian or Moldovan commentators...

Why they all time speak, that "Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan", "Ossetia and Abkhazia is integral part of Georgia", "Transnistria is part of Moldova"??

All these commentators and diplomats are nationalists?? Please tell me what is difference between Serbia and Moldova, Georgia or Azerbaijan?? Why these states can defend their territorial integrity, but Serbia - not????

To Milan and Peggy.
My comment was taken out of context by B92 editor. I was surprised to read my comment as well. Peggy i didnt accuse you of being Milosevic. It was meant to be sarcasm towards out of this world Terrty. I say it again my comment was edited out. Anyhow it doesnt matter, I guess. No matter what I say you will not embrace it. The truth of the matter is that Kosovo is gone forever from the Serbian rule. However, you may say Kosovo is Serbia as much as you wish. It means nothing where it counts the most, Kosovo itself.
cheers
Spunky

If Jeremic fails this one as well, he should really step down from politics. He's been an FM for two terms now and has not won a single battle. Saying "Hague is biased" is not enough. I mean I'm glad that our opponents have such a weak FM, but we want some challenge.

“This will be a historic process."

Naturally it will...


"There have never been more countries signing up to participate in a public debate, and never all five permanent members of the UN Security Council."

Most of UN Security Council members will VOTE IN KOSOVO FAVOUR, dear Jeremic, you know this pretty well...is this another of your victories

"This is a result of hard diplomatic work by all Serbian state institutions and I can say that since the independence proclamation of February 17, 2009 until today, our battle for Kosovo has resembled a chess match,” Jeremić said.

BLA BLA...no need to comment to such such muppet comments who are lying their nations on continues basis

Kosovo is Serbian land, regardless of how many albanian immigrants live there. The ICJ ruling will prove that.
Great job Jeremic!

Anyways, if Kosovo were a country, then it would be given Visa free travel.
(Another Canadian Serb, 30 November 2009 12:21


Turkey is a country and did not get white shengen visa.

"was an ethnically motivated effort of secession which represents a violation of international law,”

Ummmm...no. Trying to clear the Albanians from Kosova with tanks was ethnically motivated and a violation on international law (The court in the same building found so).

Remember that Kosova had autonomy and that didn't work so to exercise our rights we need independence. You can't treat minorities that way and still have the moral or legal right to rule them.

I am not a law expert however, I would have liked to ask Mr. Jeremic to give me more details about the roots of Int. Law and its development/changes through decades, and why THE WILL of one suppresed nation for Independece is worth less than the WILL of another nation.

As far as I can see things, Kososovo is, and always has been, a province of a sovereign state, Serbia. As far as I know the albanian population, living there, were originally invited to stay and live there. Just because they are now a majority does that give them the right to proclaim independence? I think not. Question to the Albanian population in Kososvo;If I was invited to live in your house, indefinitely, and over time my family is larger than yours, should I then have the right to proclaim your house as mine?

Vuk are you ready to recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state if ICJ rules in Kosovos favor?

Olf,
instead, ask yourself why a minority Albanians living in the Serbian province of Kosovo are able to dictate the majority of Serbians.

Kosovo is a province, not a country.

Anyways, if Kosovo were a country, then it would be given Visa free travel.

Turkey is a country and did not get white shengen visa.
(Kosova-USA, 30 November 2009 13:24)

You've just proved my earlier point :) Your name is not on the list, YOU'RE NOT COMING IN !

Maybe you should join Turkey in some kind of misfit union. After all, they were the ones that brought you over from the caucuses.

Olf: "I am not a law expert however, I would have liked to ask Mr. Jeremic to give me more details about the roots of Int. Law and its development/changes through decades, and why THE WILL of one suppresed nation for Independece is worth less than the WILL of another nation."

I hope you don't mind me giving my response to this rhetorical question, but it's because Serbia is an established nation with legally recognised borders.

Kosovo is not a nation under law; it is an international protectorate which remains within the boundaries of Serbia. That is why the case will probably be heard as a seccession of territory.

Event if everything was as painted and the Kosovo Albanians were 'morally entitled' to annex territory, it cannot be allowed under law. There are millions of people who feel morally justified to announce their independence, but such a move has to be done with the consent and agreement of the nation within whose boundaries it sits.

The whole point of international law is to prevent such moves being made on the basis of political spin, moral arguments and the interests of other outside parties.

Boundaries of UN nations have to be protected by the UN. There was an agreement to end the conflict of 1999 which was based upon Kosovo remaining part of Serbia, as enshrined in UN Res 1244.

Nobody can just overlook this and change the boundaries of a nation.

Arta

You may have had autonomy. However, you abused this. That's how everything spiralled out of control! Anyway, I see the Swiss have banned minarets. Clearly, Kosovo has served as a wake-up call to Europe's Christians. Stay tuned. It will be interesting to see how things pan out in the European theatre. Already, all the Balkan countries with a Muslim majority are banned from visa free travel. Makes me wonder whether the West wants Kosovo separated from Serbia os as to keep out the albos.

In another news the GDP growth for 2010 is in the 5 - 6% for Kosova. Also starting Jan 1st, 2010 the KP personnel will receive a pay increase from 20 EUR to 200 EUR.

ICJ decision or not, Kosovo's independence is permanently blocked by Russia and China. A few recognitions revoked or added either way will not change much.

Imagine all of this effort being focused into realistic negotiations. That would have more impact on the ground than these side-shows.

Easy match for Kosovo and its allies, while we will bring evidence our autonomy being taken away by Serbs who voted Milosevic and supported his action for a greater Serbia throughout former Yugoslavia, later the horror Kosovo saw again with full Serbian support. Serbian part in other hand will rely on mythology and their paintings. You dont need to be a scientist to figure out the outcome. The funny part will be when ICJ comes out in favour of Kosovo, Serbia will still claim they are right and International Law is what Russia and China say it is, that my friends is by oppressing the minority.

Maybe you should join Turkey in some kind of misfit union. After all, they were the ones that brought you over from the caucuses.
(dingdong, 30 November 2009 15:10)

Thats an oboselete theory made by serbian propaganda to legimize their land grab form Albanians.

That theory was made obsoelet by a German philologist Franz Bopp that proved that modern day Albanina's language is Indo-European NOT Caucasian as you say.

when you post something like that please put some refrences otherwise Its just Serbian propaganda.

" You can't treat minorities that way and still have the moral or legal right to rule them.
(aRta, 30 November 2009 10:48)..."

I suppose that you intended to say that Serbia should treat its minorities as Turkey treat its Kurd minority?

Kosovo-USA - "Turkey is a country and did not get white shengen visa."

That's because hardly anyone in Europe consider Turkey to be European - Just ask the Germans and French what they think!!

I suppose that you intended to say that Serbia should treat its minorities as Turkey treat its Kurd minority?-
---
Take it up with the Turks. All we know is what happened in Kosova, even Hague convicted Serbia for it, making it an established fact. Turkey can easily offer Kurds autonomy now and tht's all you owe to minorities, unless...:
"The Trial Chamber found that these crimes were committed in the execution of a joint criminal enterprise, the purpose of which was to “use violence and terror to force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians from their homes and across the borders, in order for the state authorities to maintain control over Kosovo”.

This “widespread campaign of violence that was directed against the Kosovo Albanian population between March and June 1999” was “conducted in an organised manner, utilising significant state resources,” the Trial Chamber found."
http://www.icty.org/sid/10070

Kate,

God bless your patience explaining something that should be common knowledge to someone who hasn't got a clue. Well stated post as always.

This move by Democratic Party and Tadic and Jeremic, namely Serbia's case with ICJ questioning the legality of Kosovo secession, is the biggest plunder of Serbian politics equal to Milosevic dilettantism.

We already have had full legality based on the history of World diplomacy on our side and now we are giving the chance that other side and their "sui generis" case may become legal and relevant.

We must be brainless nuts to start this process.

TO Peggy and Terry
first to Peggy Spain has recognized Kosovo passoprts just like has Slovakia, Romania and mighty China.
Terry are you sure you know what you are talking about? Not even Milosevic regime didnt think of a crazy idea like that.
Lately all the comments coming from the Serb side are the same. Kosovo is a province of serbia, Kosovo is serbia etc.

We already have had full legality based on the history of World diplomacy on our side and now we are giving the chance that other side and their "sui generis" case may become legal and relevant.

We must be brainless nuts to start this process.
(dean van der serbia, 30 November 2009 16:22)

Seriously, your statements excude nothing but pessimism and are providing ammunition to Team Albania to fire at Serbia.

Vuk Jeremic is doing a fantastic job for Serbia. He has flown around the world, launched a very successful diplomatic offensive for Serbia which has all but halted Pristina's UDD that they are now forced to bribe tiny island states to make up the numbers. Serbai has forged even closer links to China, African Union, Latin America and SE Asia. Jeremic has undone alot of the damage that Slobbo did to Serbia and has reopened all the old links that Yugoslavia had with the NAM countries. Serbia's name is no longer tainted. Belgrade has come along way and the current administration has shown that Serbian politics has finally matured. The ICJ verdict will be the icing on the cake and will force Pristina back to the negotiating table for meaningful and constructive final status talks.

I suspect that you are one of the Serbian diaspora who has absolutely no clue about what is happening in Serbia.

Just wondering if Thaci would need a passport to enter Spain and all the other countries in the world who have not recognised Kosovo.

If he does, which passport would be accepted there?

As a PM he needs to travel wherever his job takes him. He can't only visit 63 countries.

To all those who say "Albanians were invited to live in Kosovo, are immigrants" etc.

Read a book or something and try again. Seriously. Can you show me some proof of this "invitation"? When was it mnade? By whom? Did it come with any preconditions? And please, please, please do not quote me Wikipedia or Serbiana.

If you dismiss everything that happened over the last 20 years the ICJ might consider it a secession. But since Kosovo existed as a UN protectorate for 9 years and the UN appointed deignees determined that there was no chance of a negotiated settlement and then negotiations were extended and the majority again ruled that there was no possiblilty of a negotiated settlement. Leaving only the options of Kosovo as a protectorate or a independent state, I do not think secession will be in the verdict legal or illegal.

"The whole point of international law is to prevent such moves being made on the basis of political spin, moral arguments and the interests of other outside parties." - Kate

The whole point of Int. Law is to defend peace and stability. Currently both these are secured by K-Independence.

Just wondering if Thaci would need a passport to enter Spain and all the other countries in the world who have not recognised Kosovo.

If he does, which passport would be accepted there?

As a PM he needs to travel wherever his job takes him. He can't only visit 63 countries.
(Peggy, 30 November 2009 21:41)

Assuming that the recognitions stop there, why would he need to travel elsewhere. 63 countries countrol 75% of the economy. I know we have the diehards here who predict the collapse of the west and that China and Russia are the new future, but we are still living in the present.

What is funny is that everyone is so sure that the court will rule in favor of Kosovo's UDI or Serbia's stance. The truth is, unless you share a pillow with some of the court's members, you have absolutely no idea what to expect. I recall a passage from Peter Matthiessen's book, The Snow Leopard, in which he revealed some great wisdom of a Buddhist monk, "Expect nothing". It's hard to be disappointed when you expect nothing. I beg everyone to wait and see what the ruling will be. We all want something, but the final decision is out of our hands.

Since the independence proclamation of February 17, 2009 until today, our battle for Kosovo has resembled a chess match,” Jeremić said.

another black albanian pawn, in the hopeless ordeal to make himself a queen, has been swiftly dealt with by the serbian strelac, russian rook and chinese chariot.

the remaining black pawns walked into a trap when they exchanged their serbian passport for a 'kosova' one... now they can't move anywhere on the board at all. :( :D ;)

KOSOVARi - A lesson in economics and statistics. if you don't have adequate systems in place to gather all the relevant information then you can't make any realistic or relevant conclusion from the data.

Kosovo (or it's allies) has no way of knowing if it's economy is growing or shrinking or going nowhere fast.

TO Peggy and Terry
first to Peggy Spain has recognized Kosovo passoprts just like has Slovakia, Romania and mighty China.
Terry are you sure you know what you are talking about? Not even Milosevic regime didnt think of a crazy idea like that.
Lately all the comments coming from the Serb side are the same. Kosovo is a province of serbia, Kosovo is serbia etc.
(Spunky, 30 November 2009 23:40)

OK, so I am worse than Milosevic.

What do you mean "Lately comments coming from Serbia side are that Kosovo is Serbia"?

We've always said that. It's not something we though up lately.

"...Vuk Jeremic is doing a fantastic job for Serbia...The ICJ verdict will be the icing on the cake and will force Pristina back to the negotiating table for meaningful and constructive final status talks.

(Niall O'Doherty, 30 November 2009 17:47) ..."


>>> You sound like Vuk Jeremic himself and for the fun of this comment I will presume so.

So dear Vuk, straight to bed now and have a good sleep because tomorrow there is a mega big job in front of you and better do it good because you and your boss arranged this s... for us.

Personally I like you, like new and young faces, your act is intelligent, strong, direct, focused (followed you on TV interview few days ago with genuine looser Mrs. Pesic and you won epically), but only problem is that you are in the service of wrong boss.
Tadic is dumm legalist and I guess this mess is cooked in his mind-kitchen.
There is no independent Court tomorrow! Stakes are too high. Russian and Chinese judge with his mind on Tibet and Taiwan are voting for us and US judge surely as he was told. Same progression for another 12 judges.
That Tadic naivety is just pathetical.

So sleep well and do your best tomorrow for our Serbia.

KOSOVARi - A lesson in economics and statistics. if you don't have adequate systems in place to gather all the relevant information then you can't make any realistic or relevant conclusion from the data. --RADOSLAV

Radoslav,

there is no such thing as "relevant information" not one country can gather all the information to have a 100% accurate answer.

My statistics are based on ESK (Statistical Office of Kosova) which has been professionally run since its' inception in 1948.

Let's wait and see.

The whole point of Int. Law is to defend peace and stability. Currently both these are secured by K-Independence.
(miri, 30 November 2009 21:57)

So if the decision doesn't go your way you will start trouble.

The law is the law and if someone breaks it the court is not going to say well have it your way because we are worried you will turn nasty if we rule against you.

I know the posters here will keep staring at crystal balls and declare with utmost certainty how the ICJ will rule.

Politicians on both sides however, should be smart enough and go into a "quiet" period until ICJ is through with its ruling.
At the very least, this would avoid potential future embarrassment of the "losing" party. It's also pretty obnoxious to ask someone for an opinion and then predict what that opinion will be.

Gongratulations to Serbian nation they will win like usual but every victory have the X price to be payed

Lately all the comments coming from the Serb side are the same. Kosovo is a province of serbia, Kosovo is serbia etc.
(Spunky, 30 November 2009 23:40)
Spunky - first You must say similar to all Azerbaijani, Georgian or Moldovan commentators...

Why they all time speak, that "Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan", "Ossetia and Abkhazia is integral part of Georgia", "Transnistria is part of Moldova"??

All these commentators and diplomats are nationalists?? Please tell me what is difference between Serbia and Moldova, Georgia or Azerbaijan?? Why these states can defend their territorial integrity, but Serbia - not????

To Milan and Peggy.
My comment was taken out of context by B92 editor. I was surprised to read my comment as well. Peggy i didnt accuse you of being Milosevic. It was meant to be sarcasm towards out of this world Terrty. I say it again my comment was edited out. Anyhow it doesnt matter, I guess. No matter what I say you will not embrace it. The truth of the matter is that Kosovo is gone forever from the Serbian rule. However, you may say Kosovo is Serbia as much as you wish. It means nothing where it counts the most, Kosovo itself.
cheers
Spunky