“Opposition will not unite”

Utter rubbish! What majority is he talking about? The only people that are interested in joining the EU are the EU-paid politicians that are constantly talking the subject up thinking that the Serbian people are that simple to be led into accepting capitulation on western terms. The problem is that the general population is not that keen to join the EU otherwise the Tadic crowd would have held a referendum on this long ago.
Please get rid of these EU-friendly political analyst, they just churn out the same nonsense as in Washington.

Serbs have no logic, Kosovo is taken from them by the EU , they act all patriotic etc etc and then they want to give their sovereignty away and get a chance to visit some other country once in a few years and brag to their friends about their trip to France or Germany. I mean what? This is not a nation that will survive very long I'm sad to say.

2/3 of Serbian citizens want to join EU but 1/3 of Serbian citizens are minorities, all of whom want to join, so when you consider those two stats together, 1/2 of ethnic Serbs don't want the EU. But you wont hear payed spin doctors like this Goati state it in plain terms. Don't confuse the two. 2nd, there's NO OPPOSITION with a pro-EU platform, only a fake opposition. SRS should stay tough.

Sorry, but you are fundamentally wrong, Mr. Goati.

Serbian opposition does not have to unite at all, but just to form the coalition after the next elections.
Serbian Progressive Party like very probably the biggest party after next election will be called to form a coalition with the number of parties having similar agendas.

EU is not an issue here at all.
All of this opposition parties are for the joining EU, but not with this kind of obsession style propaganda. EU is maybe welcome goal, but on the acceptable and for Serbia acceptable terms.
And there is not a single problem with this concept toward EU: 90% of Serbians will very easily agree with that and do think this same way too.

I don`t know why the EU membership is politicized so heavily by the DS?
EU membership is a bipartisan goal,every relevant Serbian party supports that goal,even the SNS !
Is it maybe to distract the public from the catastrophic economic policy whose results are a nearly ruined and therefore non existing manufacturing industry which results in huge trade and fiscal deficits ?
Instead of tackling those problems,the government under the leadership of the DS set up a gigantic bureaucratic state apparatus where they employed their party apparatchiks while not 10 km of new highways was built in the last ten years.
Make no mistake,the strategy of the DS is to denounce all other parties falsely as non -european and isolationists while avoiding to discuss the mess they have created and they know they cannot defend.
I am afraid this time those dirty fear mongering tactics will not work.

Don't worry Serbia's EU supporters, time is working for Serbian Euro-sceptics rather to be called Serbian EU realist.

Impossible obstacles for Serbia's joining of EU are just about to be shown: recognition of Kosovo, pressuring to abandon Dayton Agreement for Republikas Srpska and ICJ case we are having with Croatia which will block our attempt forever will make our joining of EU impossible.

Better get realistic and face the facts now. Will be less of disappointment for you to face later.

Well if heaps of you have mentioned that 2/3 or 70% or whatever of Serbians are for joining the EU, be sure that you have formulated relevant poll question to be asked correctly.

If the question would be formulated: Are you for the Serbia's joining of EU if Serbia has to give up in the process province of Kosovo, Republika Srpska with its Dayton Agreement and to accept possible "genocide charges" concerning Croatian ICJ case then percentage of Serbians who would say YES will be and it is per fact now just about 10%.

Just to clear up deliberate percentage misinformations I manage to read here in the posts till now.

The point is that he is right. The fact is that all opinion polls show that a majority favour eu membership.

People may be misinformed about the eu but its silly to blame the messenger. any referendum would be won by the pro eu block and would be counterproductive for those against the eu - they would feel pressured to change their stance by the voters.

This is the course taken by SNS - critical and supportive of eu and other opposition parties would be forced to follow after a referendum.

Dean Van Der Serbia, what are your sources for the info you gave? I doubt they're credible, so if you're presenting improbabilities as facts, please provide sources, otherwise: HALF of ethnic Serbs are against the EU, whether or not it imposes the conditions that you mentioned & the number is rising.

That is exactly how it’s done. There is an old lawyers saying never ask a question that you don’t know the answer to.
They ask some vague questions which are conducted by professional polling groups which then study the results and come up with the right answers for the people that pay them. I have friends that work for pollsters and you would be surprised to hear the kind of trickery being used to get the ‘right’ result. However, secret polls are conducted and I am sure that they are nowhere near this optimistic.
This is a “ruse” poll. It’s designed to make people think, well if Jeremic says this is true well maybe it is, maybe we should turn from Kosovo and look to EU……. They have been using this stuff in the west since the 1970s.

"...HALF of ethnic Serbs are against the EU, whether or not it imposes the conditions that you mentioned & the number is rising.
(highduke, 28 November 2009 21:31) ..."

>>> Think you did not understand my point. I would very much prefer your numbers and tendencies.

These are the numbers given and presented by few contributors and posters before me. And by the way if you had a chance to watch last Friday eve on TV Serbia 1 political program with Vuk Jeremic and Vesna Pesic as guests, program presenter had shown few recent polls and this one was unfortunately one of them.

My point is, and was, that question being asked was not precise.
If the question is just: would you like that Serbia join EU then the yesterday poll has said that up to 70% Serbians agree though I think that some other poll would bring that number down to realistic 55-60%.

But here is my point which I wanted to stress: if this question would be formulated: do you want that Serbia join EU if we have to give up Kosovo, Republika Srpska and...then the number of the people who would like to join EU under this condition goes down to 10% and I believe those are only LPD voters.

That was it.

Serbs have no logic, Kosovo is taken from them by the EU , they act all patriotic etc etc and then they want to give their sovereignty away and get a chance to visit some other country once in a few years and brag to their friends about their trip to France or Germany. I mean what? This is not a nation that will survive very long I'm sad to say.

Utter rubbish! What majority is he talking about? The only people that are interested in joining the EU are the EU-paid politicians that are constantly talking the subject up thinking that the Serbian people are that simple to be led into accepting capitulation on western terms. The problem is that the general population is not that keen to join the EU otherwise the Tadic crowd would have held a referendum on this long ago.
Please get rid of these EU-friendly political analyst, they just churn out the same nonsense as in Washington.

The point is that he is right. The fact is that all opinion polls show that a majority favour eu membership.

People may be misinformed about the eu but its silly to blame the messenger. any referendum would be won by the pro eu block and would be counterproductive for those against the eu - they would feel pressured to change their stance by the voters.

This is the course taken by SNS - critical and supportive of eu and other opposition parties would be forced to follow after a referendum.

2/3 of Serbian citizens want to join EU but 1/3 of Serbian citizens are minorities, all of whom want to join, so when you consider those two stats together, 1/2 of ethnic Serbs don't want the EU. But you wont hear payed spin doctors like this Goati state it in plain terms. Don't confuse the two. 2nd, there's NO OPPOSITION with a pro-EU platform, only a fake opposition. SRS should stay tough.

Sorry, but you are fundamentally wrong, Mr. Goati.

Serbian opposition does not have to unite at all, but just to form the coalition after the next elections.
Serbian Progressive Party like very probably the biggest party after next election will be called to form a coalition with the number of parties having similar agendas.

EU is not an issue here at all.
All of this opposition parties are for the joining EU, but not with this kind of obsession style propaganda. EU is maybe welcome goal, but on the acceptable and for Serbia acceptable terms.
And there is not a single problem with this concept toward EU: 90% of Serbians will very easily agree with that and do think this same way too.

Dean Van Der Serbia, what are your sources for the info you gave? I doubt they're credible, so if you're presenting improbabilities as facts, please provide sources, otherwise: HALF of ethnic Serbs are against the EU, whether or not it imposes the conditions that you mentioned & the number is rising.

"...HALF of ethnic Serbs are against the EU, whether or not it imposes the conditions that you mentioned & the number is rising.
(highduke, 28 November 2009 21:31) ..."

>>> Think you did not understand my point. I would very much prefer your numbers and tendencies.

These are the numbers given and presented by few contributors and posters before me. And by the way if you had a chance to watch last Friday eve on TV Serbia 1 political program with Vuk Jeremic and Vesna Pesic as guests, program presenter had shown few recent polls and this one was unfortunately one of them.

My point is, and was, that question being asked was not precise.
If the question is just: would you like that Serbia join EU then the yesterday poll has said that up to 70% Serbians agree though I think that some other poll would bring that number down to realistic 55-60%.

But here is my point which I wanted to stress: if this question would be formulated: do you want that Serbia join EU if we have to give up Kosovo, Republika Srpska and...then the number of the people who would like to join EU under this condition goes down to 10% and I believe those are only LPD voters.

That was it.

I don`t know why the EU membership is politicized so heavily by the DS?
EU membership is a bipartisan goal,every relevant Serbian party supports that goal,even the SNS !
Is it maybe to distract the public from the catastrophic economic policy whose results are a nearly ruined and therefore non existing manufacturing industry which results in huge trade and fiscal deficits ?
Instead of tackling those problems,the government under the leadership of the DS set up a gigantic bureaucratic state apparatus where they employed their party apparatchiks while not 10 km of new highways was built in the last ten years.
Make no mistake,the strategy of the DS is to denounce all other parties falsely as non -european and isolationists while avoiding to discuss the mess they have created and they know they cannot defend.
I am afraid this time those dirty fear mongering tactics will not work.

Don't worry Serbia's EU supporters, time is working for Serbian Euro-sceptics rather to be called Serbian EU realist.

Impossible obstacles for Serbia's joining of EU are just about to be shown: recognition of Kosovo, pressuring to abandon Dayton Agreement for Republikas Srpska and ICJ case we are having with Croatia which will block our attempt forever will make our joining of EU impossible.

Better get realistic and face the facts now. Will be less of disappointment for you to face later.

Well if heaps of you have mentioned that 2/3 or 70% or whatever of Serbians are for joining the EU, be sure that you have formulated relevant poll question to be asked correctly.

If the question would be formulated: Are you for the Serbia's joining of EU if Serbia has to give up in the process province of Kosovo, Republika Srpska with its Dayton Agreement and to accept possible "genocide charges" concerning Croatian ICJ case then percentage of Serbians who would say YES will be and it is per fact now just about 10%.

Just to clear up deliberate percentage misinformations I manage to read here in the posts till now.

That is exactly how it’s done. There is an old lawyers saying never ask a question that you don’t know the answer to.
They ask some vague questions which are conducted by professional polling groups which then study the results and come up with the right answers for the people that pay them. I have friends that work for pollsters and you would be surprised to hear the kind of trickery being used to get the ‘right’ result. However, secret polls are conducted and I am sure that they are nowhere near this optimistic.
This is a “ruse” poll. It’s designed to make people think, well if Jeremic says this is true well maybe it is, maybe we should turn from Kosovo and look to EU……. They have been using this stuff in the west since the 1970s.