Spain won't recognize Kosovo, FM tells EP

So for sure the Kosovo bus is going nowhere.

All aboard the Kosovo bus, next stop will be here. The stop after that...still here. No further forward unless you start talking nicely to the Serbian driver.

Now, now, no screaming, shouting, throwing stones and burning property that will not get the bus moving and it could get you thrown off.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

An Albanian bashing Spain?! Hahaha! This gets my vote as most ignorant comment of the week.

"He said that the decision by the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's independence declaration would be important to Spain"

Perhaps Serbia is doing us a favour by taking this to ICJ, since the obvious outcome will be in favour of Kosovo, Spain will eventually recognize Kosovo sooner then thought. If this happends and I'm not joking, I hope Sejdiu award Tadic with the "Gold Medal of Independence" and Jeremic with the "Bronze Medal of Independence" for every statements which lead to a new recognition, that my dear friends is how you write history.

It is good to read that Spain will stick to its principles. I am sure that the Albanians will read certain sections and omit others and then come to the opposite conclusion. Spain should demand that Gibraltar will come under Spanish control again. However, Spain has the problem that most people in Gibraltar prefer to stay with the British and that Spain still has some enclaves in North Africa against the will from Morocco. I am worried that the new EU constitution that does require a majority will eventually force the countries that do not recognize Kosovo's illegal UDI to reverse their stands. We will see what the future will bring.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

Franco died in 1975. Welcome to 2009 McFly.

'Spain won't recognize Kosovo ...'

... this week.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

B92, why allow this comment to be posted? Everyone who reads it, loses 20 brain cells each time they do...

"""I am sure that the Albanians will read certain sections and omit others and then come to the opposite conclusion""" (Milan)

Probably will do the same like you.

30years from now change in Generation young ones will come

For now Kosovo is ok with what it has.
(Bilbao,

In cold hard Serb reality we are in fact raising our kids to be better Serbs than we are :) and for now kosovo has nothing. Its disputed territory with foreign army, police, judges, lives on foreign donations and if that's not enough its hotbed of crime and terrorism in europe. Not to mention Serb bogeymen everywhere waiting for wrong steps. At least thats what Albanians say.
Spain said now same thing like Putin when Albanians salivated for a while. We'll recognise when Serbia recognises. We Serbs have name for that imaginary day and its called Saint Never Day. Really we have that word.
Only more negotiations and more negotiations can solve it. No other way out for anyone, my Albanians.

No EU for Serbia until...and the problem is solved. Each of the parliaments of 22 countries have to give Serbia the OK several times before even getting near the EU so we can imagine Serbia stuck big time.

"Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)"

Albani,

You should seriously consider a career in public relations. Spain by the way is a orange kingdom and a parlementairy democracy. Spain had a ditatorship (Franco), but so did Albania (Hoxha). With respect to corruption please check the following link.

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Spain ranks 32 and Albania 95. While studying PR also spend some time studying European history.

Milan,

Albanians know spain does not want to do it since it has its own problems hint my name.

They only way Serbia will get kosovo back is War or lets say WW3 no one is doing that and Serbs are not going to do that. I bet few do but sure this is Minority.

30years from now change in Generation young ones will come and maybe just maybe they will have better relation.

For now Kosovo is ok with what it has.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

B92, why allow this comment to be posted? Everyone who reads it, loses 20 brain cells each time they do...
(stari, 24 November 2009 20:29)

Because it's enternaining. Read Jason's comment.

Yes, this cracked me up too.

"No EU for Serbia until...and the problem is solved. Each of the parliaments of 22 countries have to give Serbia the OK several times before even getting near the EU so we can imagine Serbia stuck big time.
(arTa, 24 November 2009 16:57)"

If we are stuck you will be stuck even more. No EU, UN, UEFA, IOC, and so on for "Kosova" for a long long long time. The EU has to make the historical mistake to let the 40% unemployed people in "Kosova" into Europe and then at least one of the many problems will be solved. However, this will create more problems in the countries where they will settle, being unemployed again and using the generous social systems. Certain European countries will get what they deserve.

"Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

Franco died in 1975. Welcome to 2009 McFly.
(Niall O'Doherty, 24 November 2009 20:46)"

Niall,

If Albani has been sleeping for the past 34 years he also missed the Back to the Future trilogy and so he has no clue what the term McFly means.

'Spain won't recognize Kosovo ...'

... this week.
(Amer, 24 November 2009 17:06)

You are seeing things that are not there.

They said that they will not recognise Kosovo until Serbia does. That is not until next week.

dear friends,
it's strange to see how people can react if a certain statement (view)has been made by , in this case, our minister of foreign affairs.
banana republic, corruption,dictatorship...and so on..
beside, a few of you know already the spanish view (about Kosovo,not Kosova) in the future.
Spain has it's opinion about the situation, and it's this.
if you like or not.
i would not react here, if the word dictatorship (wrong spelled, not surprised)was not used.
i live here since 1997,and i can tell you..spain is a civilized country, were people have all the freedom of the world. now.
if you ask me about the motives of not recognizing this part of Serbia; well here the answer.and , please don't appear with things like Catalunya...and own interest, i live in Catalunya, we would not change our goals, if Madrid would recognize this artificial, with Nato force (without consulting UN; or in other words illegal) created part of Serbia.
ay, barcelona.

"We will not obstruct development and institutional and political stability in Kosovo,"

This is the main point here, just so this is clear - despite the misleading headline - during Spain's presidency of the EU, the EU will continue to support the development of Kosovo's institutions. Kosovo's institutions.

[Spain said it] will not recognise Kosovo until Serbia does. That is not until next week.
(Peggy, 24 November 2009 21:21)

The article referred to three possibilities: recognition by Serbia, recognition by the UN, and taking into consideration "the decision by the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's independence declaration."

Serbia does not actually have to recognize Kosovo for it to join the UN, it's enough if Serbia simply releases Russia from its undertaking to veto it. That is something the EU will probably be able to manage as a condition for letting Serbia join. Or Spain may be able to interpret the ICJ opinion as justifying recognition of Kosovo if the opinion clearly doesn't apply to the Basques.

Clearly, though, Spain is considering its options.

This is the main point here, just so this is clear - despite the misleading headline - during Spain's presidency of the EU, the EU will continue to support the development of Kosovo's institutions. Kosovo's institutions.
(Sebastian, 24 November 2009 18:56)

So what. Kosovo is being heavily subsidised and supported now by some countries and they are still at the bottom of the barrel and likely to stay there.
No threat of Kosovo ever being able to function with all this support anyway.

We will not obstruct development and institutional and political stability in Kosovo, but do not ask us to explain why Spain did something that was in accordance with international law," Moratinos remarked.

A simple statement that says all, bravo to Spain to keep up in respecting the intl laws...

Swiss/Serb, no comprender? I know is to complicated issue.
(Olf, 25 November 2009 09:03)

Not complicated if you speak something close to proper English.

Maybe just write in your native tongue and I will have an Albanian LA translate it so we all understand?

"Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)"

Oh Yes Albani... If they will give You chance to emigrate to Spain - You will be very, very happy. ;)

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

B92, why allow this comment to be posted? Everyone who reads it, loses 20 brain cells each time they do...
(stari, 24 November 2009 20:29)


It is for entertainment purposes and obviously an attempt at trickery by a serbian poster. The laugh is on anyone that truly believes this comment to be genuine. Must me honest and admit it made me laugh too, even though it's a fraud.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)


It is for entertainment purposes and obviously an attempt at trickery by a serbian poster. The laugh is on anyone that truly believes this comment to be genuine. Must me honest and admit it made me laugh too, even though it's a fraud.
(Dibrani, 24 November 2009 21:33)

I dont think so Dibrani. Some of the comments from Team Albania (EA, PRN, KosovaUS, Olf, Ian UK, Berekely, Albani & roberto from frisco) have been out of this world. You couldnt make that stuff up unless you were really genuine about it. I have been on this site for nearly 2 years and I must admit I have had a nice few chuckles amidst all the guffaws - polar bears, wine & fishes, Axis of Evil and throw in the odd nuclear bomb have brightened up many a day. I do feel sorry for you and village bey having to put up with all that.

Remember children, they are there to be laughed at.

If we are stuck you will be stuck even more. No EU, UN, UEFA, IOC, and so on for "Kosova" for a long long long

Its not like Serbia is any closer to EU.

As for Uefa or Fifa or IOC few athletes wont be able to show their countries but they can represent Albania or Swiss as many do.

UN Swiss joined in 2002 really not that big of a deal.

unemployment on the other hand we have to find a solution, its not like it was lower during Milosevic time it was worst much worst.

Clearly, though, Spain is considering its options.
(Amer, 24 November 2009 23:34)

You are clutching at straws here. Read the article again.
Spain said they will recognise Kosovo is Serbia does. Plain and simple.
Serbia is not the one holding a veto in the SC. Russia and China hold that and they will use it to block Kosovo unless Serbia says Yes. Considering how Serbia has said time and time again that they will say NO even if it meant no entry to EU, I can't see how you can say that they will hold this over Serbia to enter EU.

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. … Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!
(Michael R., 25 November 2009 07:43)

And this is still better than Albania, so what is your point?

that are in touch with reality, Kosovo Independece, not Kosovo. Kosovo is not your business once the Kosovo inhabitants are out of the voters list.
(Olf, 24 November 2009 21:47)

translation pls....

"Ajvalia, sorry to be nuissance"

-No, you are not. Let us be honest here.

"but do have a clue about the Serbian youth and Kosovo issue."

-I dare say he has more of a clue than you do. Most of the rubbish you post about knowing what Serbs want is utter nonsense. How can someone so blatantly anti-Serb claim to understand and know what they think?

"Kosovo issue is supported by housewifes, pensioners, small part radicals and nobosy else."

-This extremely misinformed statement proves my above-mentioned point that you have no concept of reality regarding what the Serbian population thinks. Here Olf goes again being everything to everyone... this time, spokesperson for Serbia's youth in Kosovo.

"I suggest, your main concern should be majority of Serbs that are in touch with reality, Kosovo Independece, not Kosovo. Kosovo is not your business once the Kosovo inhabitants are out of the voters list."

(Olf, 24 November 2009 21:47)

- How can anyone respond to something that makes absolutely no sense?

>Only more negotiations and more negotiations can solve it. No other way out for anyone, my Albanians.
(ajvalija 101, 24 November 2009 19:59)

that sounds just like the wicked witch of the west: No other way out my pretty...

roberto
frisco

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!

Spain’s perceived parallel between Kosova and Basque Country is misplaced. Also the emphasis on a mutual acceptable agreement is in itself neither here nor there, as both Serbia and Spain wont willingly agree to secession so back to square one.
Bibao is also right to highlight popular legitimacy. While Basque or Scottish nationalists can never be certain on the result of a popular referendum, we in Kosova have the benefit of an absolute popular agreement on our sovereign rights. Ironically we have to thank Serbia and her actions for this emphatic yes.

The interesting bit in Mr Moratinos’ statement is a Spanish admission that this is a complex matter and that an ICJ ruling in favour of Serbia is unlikely. Unlike some in here diplomats are in the habit of choosing words very carefully and we are right to look for nuances. That’s all we have anyways. So he is saying that “ the decision by the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's independence declaration would be important to Spain, but that Madrid had no intention of opening a diplomatic office in Priština.”
That leaves the possibility of future recognition wide open. States can recognise your sovereign right but be not interested in diplomatic relations.

This would be ever easier if Basques would manage to squeeze a referendum on their right to decide. Economical and political climate do change and Spain is not immune to this.
then can have another chance to get this crucial recognition.

Ajvalia, sorry to be nuissance but do have a clue about the Serbian youth and Kosovo issue. Kosovo issue is supported by housewifes, pensioners, small part radicals and nobosy else.
I suggest, your main concern should be majority of Serbs that are in touch with reality, Kosovo Independece, not Kosovo. Kosovo is not your business once the Kosovo inhabitants are out of the voters list.

Milan wrote:

Spain ranks 32 and Albania 95. While studying PR also spend some time studying European history.
(Milan, 24 November 2009 20:51)

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. … Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!
(Michael R., 25 November 2009 07:43)

Not embarrassing at all. I looked at the list and saw the numbers for Serbia and Russia. The discussion was about Spain that was heavily criticized by an Albanian commentator. So I focused on those two. That is all. If many of the Albanian commentators here would just focus on one ticket at the time things would be much clearer. Anyway, Serbia still ranks better than Albania and I am not responsible for Russia, so you do not hurt me with that one.

'that sounds just like the wicked witch..'


I certainly aint no friend of Dorothy.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 November

Haha ok Dorothy you got me. I've been called names before but it's usually, I don't know, dog, pig.

And Jase, don't slap that kid around. Its no fun when its that easy :)

God bless Spain for not recognizing the independence of Kosovo.

"Spoken like a true Serbophile.
(Dibrani, 25 November 2009 18:53)"

Responded like a true Serbophobe.

interesting, zillions of ( albanian-faked ) comments allegedly written by western "observers " like, "Olf" ( very likely supposed to look like a scandinavian guy ) or "Roberto" who STILL wants to make the others here believe that he lives and writes from San Francisco...

all those faked identities, in order to create the impression of western poeple who are interested in the Kosovo-issue AND even favoring the, still illegal, albanian point of view.
and then all of a sudden one Albanian tries to teach us about a " fraud comment " allegedly written by serbian hand...

as for the spanish official:

they stick to international law, without favoring any side, as it seems.

that´s something that seems to hurt some of our dear albanian friends here.

that´s good.


that shows their attitude towards basic achievements of every civilized society, and not only towards the law.

thanks for clearing that up, mate. =)

Milan wrote:

Spain ranks 32 and Albania 95. While studying PR also spend some time studying European history.
(Milan, 24 November 2009 20:51)

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!

# 'that sounds just like the wicked witch..'


I certainly aint no friend of Dorothy.
(ajvalija 101, 24 November 2009 23:27)

great retort! but how the heck do you know about "friends of dorothy", which is a dated term even for middle-aged moi. the only ones who know about friends of dorothy are friends of dorothy's...

roberto
frisco

Swiss/Serb, no comprender? I know is to complicated issue.

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. … Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!
(Michael R., 25 November 2009 07:43)

And this is still better than Albania, so what is your point?
(Jason, 25 November 2009 10:48)

Jason,

The point is, Jason, now that Russia has sunk its hooks into Serbia, you can expect Serbia to become much more corrupt than it already is. All of Russia's satellites are just as corrupt as she is, if not more so, why should Serbia turn out differently! Expect Serbia's rating to fall to about 150 in the next few years then kiss the EU goodbye. It's always one step forward then two steps backward for Serbia.
When will you ever learn not to lay down with bears.

I dont think so Dibrani. Some of the comments from Team Albania (EA, PRN, KosovaUS, Olf, Ian UK, Berekely, Albani & roberto from frisco) have been out of this world. You couldnt make that stuff up unless you were really genuine about it. I have been on this site for nearly 2 years and I must admit I have had a nice few chuckles amidst all the guffaws - polar bears, wine & fishes, Axis of Evil and throw in the odd nuclear bomb have brightened up many a day. I do feel sorry for you and village bey having to put up with all that.

Remember children, they are there to be laughed at.
(Niall O'Doherty, 25 November 2009 11:51)

Spoken like a true Serbophile.

The point is, Jason, now that Russia has sunk its hooks into Serbia, you can expect Serbia to become much more corrupt than it already is. All of Russia's satellites are just as corrupt as she is, if not more so, why should Serbia turn out differently! Expect Serbia's rating to fall to about 150 in the next few years then kiss the EU goodbye. It's always one step forward then two steps backward for Serbia.
When will you ever learn not to lay down with bears.
(Michael R., 26 November 2009 12:30)

This is so disturbing. My beloved Serbia going to be corrupted by big bad bear.

Please, give me some examples of this great corruption so that I know what to look for.

No EU for Serbia until...and the problem is solved. Each of the parliaments of 22 countries have to give Serbia the OK several times before even getting near the EU so we can imagine Serbia stuck big time.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!

'Spain won't recognize Kosovo ...'

... this week.

Milan,

Albanians know spain does not want to do it since it has its own problems hint my name.

They only way Serbia will get kosovo back is War or lets say WW3 no one is doing that and Serbs are not going to do that. I bet few do but sure this is Minority.

30years from now change in Generation young ones will come and maybe just maybe they will have better relation.

For now Kosovo is ok with what it has.

"He said that the decision by the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's independence declaration would be important to Spain"

Perhaps Serbia is doing us a favour by taking this to ICJ, since the obvious outcome will be in favour of Kosovo, Spain will eventually recognize Kosovo sooner then thought. If this happends and I'm not joking, I hope Sejdiu award Tadic with the "Gold Medal of Independence" and Jeremic with the "Bronze Medal of Independence" for every statements which lead to a new recognition, that my dear friends is how you write history.

So for sure the Kosovo bus is going nowhere.

All aboard the Kosovo bus, next stop will be here. The stop after that...still here. No further forward unless you start talking nicely to the Serbian driver.

Now, now, no screaming, shouting, throwing stones and burning property that will not get the bus moving and it could get you thrown off.

It is good to read that Spain will stick to its principles. I am sure that the Albanians will read certain sections and omit others and then come to the opposite conclusion. Spain should demand that Gibraltar will come under Spanish control again. However, Spain has the problem that most people in Gibraltar prefer to stay with the British and that Spain still has some enclaves in North Africa against the will from Morocco. I am worried that the new EU constitution that does require a majority will eventually force the countries that do not recognize Kosovo's illegal UDI to reverse their stands. We will see what the future will bring.

"""I am sure that the Albanians will read certain sections and omit others and then come to the opposite conclusion""" (Milan)

Probably will do the same like you.

Ajvalia, sorry to be nuissance but do have a clue about the Serbian youth and Kosovo issue. Kosovo issue is supported by housewifes, pensioners, small part radicals and nobosy else.
I suggest, your main concern should be majority of Serbs that are in touch with reality, Kosovo Independece, not Kosovo. Kosovo is not your business once the Kosovo inhabitants are out of the voters list.

>Only more negotiations and more negotiations can solve it. No other way out for anyone, my Albanians.
(ajvalija 101, 24 November 2009 19:59)

that sounds just like the wicked witch of the west: No other way out my pretty...

roberto
frisco

"We will not obstruct development and institutional and political stability in Kosovo,"

This is the main point here, just so this is clear - despite the misleading headline - during Spain's presidency of the EU, the EU will continue to support the development of Kosovo's institutions. Kosovo's institutions.

If we are stuck you will be stuck even more. No EU, UN, UEFA, IOC, and so on for "Kosova" for a long long long

Its not like Serbia is any closer to EU.

As for Uefa or Fifa or IOC few athletes wont be able to show their countries but they can represent Albania or Swiss as many do.

UN Swiss joined in 2002 really not that big of a deal.

unemployment on the other hand we have to find a solution, its not like it was lower during Milosevic time it was worst much worst.

"No EU for Serbia until...and the problem is solved. Each of the parliaments of 22 countries have to give Serbia the OK several times before even getting near the EU so we can imagine Serbia stuck big time.
(arTa, 24 November 2009 16:57)"

If we are stuck you will be stuck even more. No EU, UN, UEFA, IOC, and so on for "Kosova" for a long long long time. The EU has to make the historical mistake to let the 40% unemployed people in "Kosova" into Europe and then at least one of the many problems will be solved. However, this will create more problems in the countries where they will settle, being unemployed again and using the generous social systems. Certain European countries will get what they deserve.

[Spain said it] will not recognise Kosovo until Serbia does. That is not until next week.
(Peggy, 24 November 2009 21:21)

The article referred to three possibilities: recognition by Serbia, recognition by the UN, and taking into consideration "the decision by the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's independence declaration."

Serbia does not actually have to recognize Kosovo for it to join the UN, it's enough if Serbia simply releases Russia from its undertaking to veto it. That is something the EU will probably be able to manage as a condition for letting Serbia join. Or Spain may be able to interpret the ICJ opinion as justifying recognition of Kosovo if the opinion clearly doesn't apply to the Basques.

Clearly, though, Spain is considering its options.

Spain’s perceived parallel between Kosova and Basque Country is misplaced. Also the emphasis on a mutual acceptable agreement is in itself neither here nor there, as both Serbia and Spain wont willingly agree to secession so back to square one.
Bibao is also right to highlight popular legitimacy. While Basque or Scottish nationalists can never be certain on the result of a popular referendum, we in Kosova have the benefit of an absolute popular agreement on our sovereign rights. Ironically we have to thank Serbia and her actions for this emphatic yes.

The interesting bit in Mr Moratinos’ statement is a Spanish admission that this is a complex matter and that an ICJ ruling in favour of Serbia is unlikely. Unlike some in here diplomats are in the habit of choosing words very carefully and we are right to look for nuances. That’s all we have anyways. So he is saying that “ the decision by the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo's independence declaration would be important to Spain, but that Madrid had no intention of opening a diplomatic office in Priština.”
That leaves the possibility of future recognition wide open. States can recognise your sovereign right but be not interested in diplomatic relations.

This would be ever easier if Basques would manage to squeeze a referendum on their right to decide. Economical and political climate do change and Spain is not immune to this.
then can have another chance to get this crucial recognition.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

B92, why allow this comment to be posted? Everyone who reads it, loses 20 brain cells each time they do...
(stari, 24 November 2009 20:29)


It is for entertainment purposes and obviously an attempt at trickery by a serbian poster. The laugh is on anyone that truly believes this comment to be genuine. Must me honest and admit it made me laugh too, even though it's a fraud.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

An Albanian bashing Spain?! Hahaha! This gets my vote as most ignorant comment of the week.

Swiss/Serb, no comprender? I know is to complicated issue.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

B92, why allow this comment to be posted? Everyone who reads it, loses 20 brain cells each time they do...
(stari, 24 November 2009 20:29)

Because it's enternaining. Read Jason's comment.

Yes, this cracked me up too.

We will not obstruct development and institutional and political stability in Kosovo, but do not ask us to explain why Spain did something that was in accordance with international law," Moratinos remarked.

A simple statement that says all, bravo to Spain to keep up in respecting the intl laws...

# 'that sounds just like the wicked witch..'


I certainly aint no friend of Dorothy.
(ajvalija 101, 24 November 2009 23:27)

great retort! but how the heck do you know about "friends of dorothy", which is a dated term even for middle-aged moi. the only ones who know about friends of dorothy are friends of dorothy's...

roberto
frisco

30years from now change in Generation young ones will come

For now Kosovo is ok with what it has.
(Bilbao,

In cold hard Serb reality we are in fact raising our kids to be better Serbs than we are :) and for now kosovo has nothing. Its disputed territory with foreign army, police, judges, lives on foreign donations and if that's not enough its hotbed of crime and terrorism in europe. Not to mention Serb bogeymen everywhere waiting for wrong steps. At least thats what Albanians say.
Spain said now same thing like Putin when Albanians salivated for a while. We'll recognise when Serbia recognises. We Serbs have name for that imaginary day and its called Saint Never Day. Really we have that word.
Only more negotiations and more negotiations can solve it. No other way out for anyone, my Albanians.

"Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)"

Albani,

You should seriously consider a career in public relations. Spain by the way is a orange kingdom and a parlementairy democracy. Spain had a ditatorship (Franco), but so did Albania (Hoxha). With respect to corruption please check the following link.

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Spain ranks 32 and Albania 95. While studying PR also spend some time studying European history.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

B92, why allow this comment to be posted? Everyone who reads it, loses 20 brain cells each time they do...

that are in touch with reality, Kosovo Independece, not Kosovo. Kosovo is not your business once the Kosovo inhabitants are out of the voters list.
(Olf, 24 November 2009 21:47)

translation pls....

This is the main point here, just so this is clear - despite the misleading headline - during Spain's presidency of the EU, the EU will continue to support the development of Kosovo's institutions. Kosovo's institutions.
(Sebastian, 24 November 2009 18:56)

So what. Kosovo is being heavily subsidised and supported now by some countries and they are still at the bottom of the barrel and likely to stay there.
No threat of Kosovo ever being able to function with all this support anyway.

'Spain won't recognize Kosovo ...'

... this week.
(Amer, 24 November 2009 17:06)

You are seeing things that are not there.

They said that they will not recognise Kosovo until Serbia does. That is not until next week.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

Franco died in 1975. Welcome to 2009 McFly.

dear friends,
it's strange to see how people can react if a certain statement (view)has been made by , in this case, our minister of foreign affairs.
banana republic, corruption,dictatorship...and so on..
beside, a few of you know already the spanish view (about Kosovo,not Kosova) in the future.
Spain has it's opinion about the situation, and it's this.
if you like or not.
i would not react here, if the word dictatorship (wrong spelled, not surprised)was not used.
i live here since 1997,and i can tell you..spain is a civilized country, were people have all the freedom of the world. now.
if you ask me about the motives of not recognizing this part of Serbia; well here the answer.and , please don't appear with things like Catalunya...and own interest, i live in Catalunya, we would not change our goals, if Madrid would recognize this artificial, with Nato force (without consulting UN; or in other words illegal) created part of Serbia.
ay, barcelona.

'that sounds just like the wicked witch..'


I certainly aint no friend of Dorothy.

"Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)

Franco died in 1975. Welcome to 2009 McFly.
(Niall O'Doherty, 24 November 2009 20:46)"

Niall,

If Albani has been sleeping for the past 34 years he also missed the Back to the Future trilogy and so he has no clue what the term McFly means.

Milan wrote:

Spain ranks 32 and Albania 95. While studying PR also spend some time studying European history.
(Milan, 24 November 2009 20:51)

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!

Clearly, though, Spain is considering its options.
(Amer, 24 November 2009 23:34)

You are clutching at straws here. Read the article again.
Spain said they will recognise Kosovo is Serbia does. Plain and simple.
Serbia is not the one holding a veto in the SC. Russia and China hold that and they will use it to block Kosovo unless Serbia says Yes. Considering how Serbia has said time and time again that they will say NO even if it meant no entry to EU, I can't see how you can say that they will hold this over Serbia to enter EU.

Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)


It is for entertainment purposes and obviously an attempt at trickery by a serbian poster. The laugh is on anyone that truly believes this comment to be genuine. Must me honest and admit it made me laugh too, even though it's a fraud.
(Dibrani, 24 November 2009 21:33)

I dont think so Dibrani. Some of the comments from Team Albania (EA, PRN, KosovaUS, Olf, Ian UK, Berekely, Albani & roberto from frisco) have been out of this world. You couldnt make that stuff up unless you were really genuine about it. I have been on this site for nearly 2 years and I must admit I have had a nice few chuckles amidst all the guffaws - polar bears, wine & fishes, Axis of Evil and throw in the odd nuclear bomb have brightened up many a day. I do feel sorry for you and village bey having to put up with all that.

Remember children, they are there to be laughed at.

God bless Spain for not recognizing the independence of Kosovo.

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. … Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!
(Michael R., 25 November 2009 07:43)

And this is still better than Albania, so what is your point?
(Jason, 25 November 2009 10:48)

Jason,

The point is, Jason, now that Russia has sunk its hooks into Serbia, you can expect Serbia to become much more corrupt than it already is. All of Russia's satellites are just as corrupt as she is, if not more so, why should Serbia turn out differently! Expect Serbia's rating to fall to about 150 in the next few years then kiss the EU goodbye. It's always one step forward then two steps backward for Serbia.
When will you ever learn not to lay down with bears.

Swiss/Serb, no comprender? I know is to complicated issue.
(Olf, 25 November 2009 09:03)

Not complicated if you speak something close to proper English.

Maybe just write in your native tongue and I will have an Albanian LA translate it so we all understand?

I dont think so Dibrani. Some of the comments from Team Albania (EA, PRN, KosovaUS, Olf, Ian UK, Berekely, Albani & roberto from frisco) have been out of this world. You couldnt make that stuff up unless you were really genuine about it. I have been on this site for nearly 2 years and I must admit I have had a nice few chuckles amidst all the guffaws - polar bears, wine & fishes, Axis of Evil and throw in the odd nuclear bomb have brightened up many a day. I do feel sorry for you and village bey having to put up with all that.

Remember children, they are there to be laughed at.
(Niall O'Doherty, 25 November 2009 11:51)

Spoken like a true Serbophile.

"Ajvalia, sorry to be nuissance"

-No, you are not. Let us be honest here.

"but do have a clue about the Serbian youth and Kosovo issue."

-I dare say he has more of a clue than you do. Most of the rubbish you post about knowing what Serbs want is utter nonsense. How can someone so blatantly anti-Serb claim to understand and know what they think?

"Kosovo issue is supported by housewifes, pensioners, small part radicals and nobosy else."

-This extremely misinformed statement proves my above-mentioned point that you have no concept of reality regarding what the Serbian population thinks. Here Olf goes again being everything to everyone... this time, spokesperson for Serbia's youth in Kosovo.

"I suggest, your main concern should be majority of Serbs that are in touch with reality, Kosovo Independece, not Kosovo. Kosovo is not your business once the Kosovo inhabitants are out of the voters list."

(Olf, 24 November 2009 21:47)

- How can anyone respond to something that makes absolutely no sense?

The point is, Jason, now that Russia has sunk its hooks into Serbia, you can expect Serbia to become much more corrupt than it already is. All of Russia's satellites are just as corrupt as she is, if not more so, why should Serbia turn out differently! Expect Serbia's rating to fall to about 150 in the next few years then kiss the EU goodbye. It's always one step forward then two steps backward for Serbia.
When will you ever learn not to lay down with bears.
(Michael R., 26 November 2009 12:30)

This is so disturbing. My beloved Serbia going to be corrupted by big bad bear.

Please, give me some examples of this great corruption so that I know what to look for.

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. … Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!
(Michael R., 25 November 2009 07:43)

And this is still better than Albania, so what is your point?

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 November

Haha ok Dorothy you got me. I've been called names before but it's usually, I don't know, dog, pig.

And Jase, don't slap that kid around. Its no fun when its that easy :)

"Spoken like a true Serbophile.
(Dibrani, 25 November 2009 18:53)"

Responded like a true Serbophobe.

"Who care what banana country spain think. Spain is no democracy and corruption big. Spain dictarirship!
(Albani, 24 November 2009 19:28)"

Oh Yes Albani... If they will give You chance to emigrate to Spain - You will be very, very happy. ;)

Milan wrote:

Spain ranks 32 and Albania 95. While studying PR also spend some time studying European history.
(Milan, 24 November 2009 20:51)

You conveniently fail to mention Serbia ranks 83 and Russia 146 as least corrupt. … Rather embarrassing for you, no, otherwise why not include it. Once again, hoisted by your own petard!
(Michael R., 25 November 2009 07:43)

Not embarrassing at all. I looked at the list and saw the numbers for Serbia and Russia. The discussion was about Spain that was heavily criticized by an Albanian commentator. So I focused on those two. That is all. If many of the Albanian commentators here would just focus on one ticket at the time things would be much clearer. Anyway, Serbia still ranks better than Albania and I am not responsible for Russia, so you do not hurt me with that one.

interesting, zillions of ( albanian-faked ) comments allegedly written by western "observers " like, "Olf" ( very likely supposed to look like a scandinavian guy ) or "Roberto" who STILL wants to make the others here believe that he lives and writes from San Francisco...

all those faked identities, in order to create the impression of western poeple who are interested in the Kosovo-issue AND even favoring the, still illegal, albanian point of view.
and then all of a sudden one Albanian tries to teach us about a " fraud comment " allegedly written by serbian hand...

as for the spanish official:

they stick to international law, without favoring any side, as it seems.

that´s something that seems to hurt some of our dear albanian friends here.

that´s good.


that shows their attitude towards basic achievements of every civilized society, and not only towards the law.

thanks for clearing that up, mate. =)