Army base in south officially opened

On the other hand, this base will be also the best argument for Albanian military build-up. In that particular case, it would be even enough to deploy some light 105mm howitzer in the Kosovarian Bilinca area since the Serbs positioned their base well in fire range for that light artillery. With heavy artillery you can blank that whole rock. Easy target...

Cheers!
(Berkeley, 23 November 2009 14:09)

Where will the supposed security force of Kosovo get artillery? They are not an army and are not allowed to have real weapons... The KSF must leave that stuff to proper armies, which they are not.

Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU)

These Albanians are anxiesiouly waiting to return to their historic land.
(PRN, 23 November 2009 10:11)
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PRN, according to you these supposed 5m Albanians were expelled 140 years ago. Unless 5 million babies were expelled they must all be what? 170 years old?

You should call the Guinness book of records and tell them about this. These Albanians can register as the oldest people on the planet. You'll be famous!

PRN - and I'm waiting for the Africans to come and kick out all the Albanians as they were the first people to inhabit Europe and are therfore the rightful owners of Albania and any other lands where Albanians live.

Good news Serbia, this base has positions to look inside of Kosovo. Hopefully within the next 5 years the camp will expand. Cheers!

The base is an eye looking into the field of blackbirds; for one day in the not too distant future - to reclaim that what is ours and always will be.

PRN,
if those albs really exist in Turkey, then i bet they have become more turkish than the original turkish.
Albanians have been champions in this kind of transformation (provided Turks and Albanians were two separate peoples in the 1st, place).

I have just looked at my World Atlas and it would appear that Camp South is in an ideal position to protect Russia from Rogue states in North Africa. As part of its strategic missile defence, Russia could base interceptor missiles at Camp South to shoot down missiles fired by Russia’s enemies in North Africa, and elsewhere.

Don't know why Serbs and other bother with PRN, kosovo-usa?
They never support their claims. They just write imaginary stories for little children and still everyone gets upset. Ignore them and comment on real issues.

Great location for a military base! This base will prevent albanians from stealing territory in the future. It will also prevent albanian terrorists from causing any more trouble in this area.

PRN, aren't you tired of writing nonsence over here on the regular basis.

And really, would you be so kind to explain us on what basis those "expelled" Albanians would come back to thier "historic land"? Is there any proof of their origin? I guess their ancestors are in heaven for many years.
No, there is no, so give us all break and back off with these kinds of stupidity.

For a once you could say something that actually makes sense.

This military base is reality and in my opinion overly needed in that region.
The Albanians can protest as much as they like. They can write letters of protest all over the world, but they should be aware that this military base is built after the agreement with the EU, USA and I suppose NATO too.

Let's not forget the agresive paramilitary actions taken by the so called Liberation Army of Presevo, Bujanovac nad Medvedja. As far as I remember they had no support from the EU/USA/NATO masters.

Have a nice day, and my best regards to those expelled Albanians residing in Turkey.
They must be extremely old by now, but hey Albanians are supernatural after all.

This is great news, however more than 1 base would be even better in that zone, to protect Serbs from albanian terrorists.

Thank you VS, as this is to become a part of Albania in not to distant future.

Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU)

These Albanians are anxiesiouly waiting to return to their historic land.

The more you invest in this region the more greatful they will be towards you.

"Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU) "

PRN - stop Your dreaming. Albanians from Albania will not emigrate to Serbia after Serbia join EU. EU have more restrict law for emigrants from outside EU than today have Serbia.

I know - You are frustrated becouse You will live in black hole, but is one very easy step to join EU without problems - Kosovo must reintegrate with Serbia.

Ps. These "5 millions Albanians expelled from Serbia" - is a joke??

It will make for great target practice for American aircraft flying out of Camp Bondsteel, the great American Army base in Kosova!
(Tony, 23 November 2009 15:28)

I hope they never try what are you sugesting,because they will live or not live to regret. No one in right state of mind would like to see another war in Balkans.

Good Point Pyyros.

I'm still trying to work out how our "Illyrian" friends became so cosy with the TUrks during the occupation considering they have been in the Balkans for 3000 years.

And soon the 1,000,000s of Neanderthals and their offsprings, which were expelled by Germanics tribes in the Stone Age, will return to the land where they always have been living, to Germany - this country is already in the EU :-)

To all albanians who read this look at this American made documentary, about the bombing of the Serbian Army in 1999.

I will think you will find the serbian army is in a better position than your joke armys, as well as Americans are bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Where hopefuly you ll be sent one day to fight for your pimp :)

Also im sure Russian are building a base Nis, not that far away :)

Long Live Velika Srbija

Ziveli, Vuk UK

KOSOVO IS IN THE SERBIAN PEOPLES HEART AND SOUL, AND NO ONE CANT TAKE THIS FROM THE SERBS!

Congratulations on the new base. We will build our own KSF base in Gjiljani, to maintain peace and security for the region.

PRN - "Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU"

This potential "problem" is easily solved for Serbia. they can just request the same addendum to their accession as the Czech Republic just did before it would sign the lisbon treaty making it impossible for ethnic germans to claim their properties back - the ones who were kicked out after WWII.

To the Albanian behind his imaginary light gun. How you doing. Here's a question. you're 50 m over your target. Do you 1. adjust fire or 2. move the piece back 50 m?
Take your time son.

Dear Zoran &co,

If my father or grandfather dies I, myself with brothers,sisters and cousins am entitled to claim the land that someone forcefully occupied from my grandfather or grand-grandfather...
(PRN, 23 November 2009 14:45)
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PRN, why don't you sell this wonderful idea to your American backers? According to your rules they only have to go back 200 years to figure out who owns the US of A.

But in case you weren't aware, Serbians are Christians and our decendents lead back to Adam and Eve, being the first two people in the world so we can claim the whole planet! However, we're generous enough to share it.

This is a messege to Prishtina "we have you in our sight", I say we scrap KSF and start building a real armed forces. Start getting our lobby in US back in track to get a mility programe and from our allies. Turkey have said numerious times they will help Kosovo in every field of security and health, time to ask for the "security help". KFOR is doing a great job but I rather have our own ppl watching the borders then leaving it to some anti-Independence troops such as Slovak and Romanien soldiers. Kosovo has alot of young ppl who are unemployed and serving in the military would help them a bit to life, start showing our patriotism instead of bowing down for everyone. Enough with liberal talk "no-one wants us damage", we are vulnerable as long as we depend on others.

It will make for great target practice for American aircraft flying out of Camp Bondsteel, the great American Army base in Kosova!

This base is the very proof that Serbia is only "peaceful" because it has been forced to be peaceful. Nothing has changed.

On the other hand, this base will be also the best argument for Albanian military build-up. In that particular case, it would be even enough to deploy some light 105mm howitzer in the Kosovarian Bilinca area since the Serbs positioned their base well in fire range for that light artillery. With heavy artillery you can blank that whole rock. Easy target...

Cheers!

Dear Zoran &co,

If my father or grandfather dies I, myself with brothers,sisters and cousins am entitled to claim the land that someone forcefully occupied from my grandfather or grand-grandfather...(wow..I invented the hot water)

For those of you who like googling around cheque how many Albanians are in Turkey and their origin (DONT look at wikipedia---sorry for wikipedia fans)

Just check why Turkish FM continuesly mentions that "There are more Albanians in Turkey than in Albania,"

http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-turkey-wants.html

....and check their origin too.

Thanks

Cheers

Olf is amazing. He has not only been working in Russia and Kosovo at the same time for over a decade, he also has colleagues in Iraq and at the same time has become spokesperson for Serbian army officers and the general Serbian population alike.

With that kind of awesomeness I feel blessed to have him share his knowledge with us in this forum.

Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational and training system could be threat to civilians only, what Serbia used it for all the time.

As for the claims of PRN what can I say, many things have happened in Balkans recently and lots of people movements at the same time, therefore I undrestand PRN point and simpathy for some Serb supporters.

we do not care since europe will not allow you to use this base,or you will have to stay out of europe for a long long time...
This is the best service you can do to albanians,For many reasons that you do know/it reminds me of Milosevic sending his army in kosova!Same things ,same effects!

"Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa was even more critical, and said that ethnic Albanians will now be "surrounded on all sides by people in uniforms".

Why panic? These people in uniforms are there to protect all citizens of Serbia, and that includes you as well. That is providing you see yourself as a citizen of Serbia and not some imaginary new country.
Don't you want to feel safe?

That was golden age of Ottoman Empire. Not of the countries Ottomans invaded. And maybe even some Poles and Ukrainians agree with me, too. Not "just" Greeks, Bulgarians, many Albanians, Serbs, Croats, Romanians, Hungarians. Before the Ottoman rule the Balkan was ahead of Western Europe. Without it it would keep the advantage of many centuries more. Ottoman empire was one of the major tragedies what could happen in Europe.


(Ataman, 24 November 2009 06:02)

You cannot be more correct Ataman.

I sugest you to read "Eschile the great looser" of Kadare.

Just visit Ulpiana near Prishtina, Albanopolis, Apolonia, Bylis, Butrint, Finiq, Antigonea, Xara, Maliq, Benja, Dunevc etc

All cities with very advanced culture with theatres, stadiums developed commercial links whith the entire Mediterranean which disapeared after the Ottomoan invasion.

Note that Albania is among few nations where every 5km you can find an archaeological sites or other cultural heritage of great beauty.

If you like tourism, Albania is the place. Everytime I visit some archeological site (to visit all of them you will need couple of months- to viit all the catsels of Albania you will need much more) I meet researchers/tourists from institutes from all around Europe and northern America. Now the only thing it needs is to become a mass-tourism.

Just go and visit them and you will find another tangible proof of what are you saying. It is still very cheap it costs you from 200-500 Lek the entry in archeological parks whille most of the castels are for free. 1€=120Lek.

Cheers, and visit Albania :)

P.S. off-road cars recommendet- anciant cities were build in high hills and the roads in Albania are improving :)

"This is how Serbia wants to build a future in the Balkans, by building military bases in the throat of Albanian minority there."

Gee, Denis, we do not see Hungarians in the north or other minority groups carrying out bombings, only Albanians, so where would you suggest the base be? Hmmm?

"This potential "problem" is easily solved for Serbia. they can just request the same addendum to their accession as the Czech Republic just did before it would sign the lisbon treaty making it impossible for ethnic germans to claim their properties back - the ones who were kicked out after WWII." Radoslav

I think you are being the kindest here at least acknowledge ther ware albanians living there, I for a start originate from near Nis area...

About time the base was built. Therell be no more terrorism, no more crime, no more drug and people smuggling. What an absolute marvel. It's due time that the south was cleaned up.


CCCC

It will make for great target practice for American aircraft flying out of Camp Bondsteel, the great American Army base in Kosova!
(Tony, 23 November 2009 15:28

Please no more about the invincibility of NATO or US Army. They have had their fill in Iraq and now again in Afghanistan and they are in no way ready for anymore fighting on any front. The great US and its NATO is finished!

It hasn’t dawned on you yet that this is the beginning of changes in that region or Europe for that matter. It was the EU/US that asked Serbia to construct this base to try and stem the criminality in Kosova such as drug running and human trafficking.

you're 50 m over your target. Do you 1. adjust fire or 2. move the piece back 50 m?
Take your time son.
(ajvalija 101, 23 November 2009 19:31)

now finally a serious question here... waooo

Well it seems PRN has been exposed by Milan and Ataman. Excellent links that support your argument with facts, Milan.

Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational and training system could be threat to civilians only, what Serbia used it for all the time.
(Olf, 23 November 2009 15:45
Maybe, you should test your claims and visit them! Im sure they would be more than happy to see you and the warm welcome would be something for you to remember for entire life.

Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational and training system could be threat to civilians only, what Serbia used it for all the time.

(Olf, 23 November 2009 15:45

My God it’s brought out the strangest people out of the wood work since the Albanians and their supporters had to make a humiliating reversal involving passports. They have come back with vigor and determination to show Serbs their short comings.
Yes, it’s a shame they don’t have the US to train their army and sell them those very modern weapons; you know the ones that’s brought them great success in Afghanistan and Iraq. The superiority of US training was in full spot light in Abu Grahib prison – American trailer trash that was unable to hold a rifle properly. For your information, during the battle for Fullujah in Iraq your beloved US forces used the same tactics initiated by General Ratko Mladic during the siege of Sarajevo.
That outdated equipment is interfering with Camp Bondsteel’s electronics and when the Russians arrive next year in Nis the Yanks will not be able to operate their radar systems – not bad for old and inferior equipment, eh! NATO/US cannot do a damn thing about it.

PRN:

http://www.joshuaproject.net/countries.php?rog3=TU

How many Albanians did You see??

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRE

how many peoples speak Albanian in Turkey did You see??

http://www.arnavut.com/turkiyede.php

How many Albanians in Turkey did You see (it's turkish-ALBANIAN page)??


About claims for Serbian lands from 150 years before... German settlers expelled after WWII from Poland and Czech Republic had similar dreams...

Albanians were only turkish settlers on the territory of conquered Kingdom of Serbia. They steal lands of expelled serbian peoples - did You know that only in 1690 from Kosovo were expelled TENS OF THOUSANDS SERBS. Who settled on their homes?? Albanians. Same was on the other serbian territories.

Wake up Europe,
Listen to the angel; "Serbia will never give up on either of its goals”. He is offering key guarantees for “security and peace” in the region! The “lamb” is unable to conceal his true goals, by disclosing his real ones, blaming all around especially Albanians, who are with no doubt likely among those who don’t wish peace and as usually involved in organized crime in the region. This is more than transparent evidence that some people will never learn history, and do not hesitate
to make troubles around.
Mr. Tadic your two main goals; preserving territorial integrity in Kosovo and membership to Europe do not go together, because we are not willing to share our destiny with those who give priority to the building of military bases instead of raising up of economic implants and giving chance to the people to live with dignity without being surrounded by uniforms.
Mr. Tadic, the existence of the army is a consequence; it is not a sustainable guarantee to any peace. The key factor to the peace is Economy and constructive dialog with neighbors, or peaceful coexistence.
At the end to Pyrros; could you imagine a 5 million unhappy Turkish-Albanian mixture eager to get back to where they belong?

My joke lobbeth over and misseth albanians. That's ok its not a great joke. Anyway one albanian wrote,
'Serbian army is retrieving, but victoriously'

Serbian army victoriously retrieving? Kosovo? Inshallah my boy!

hey PRN this is from your link... im just not sure if you read the whole thing before making such claims...
(stari, 23 November 2009 21:12)

Smelly, ugly, foul link is that tough. What a heap of rubbish. And most claims are 100% wrong.

Next time we will hear, Turks were busy saving millions of Armenians during WW-I.

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"Mehmet-pasha Sokolović is a good example. Were it not for the Ottoman Empire, he would have been a poor Serb peasant with a small farm or whatever... Thanks to the Ottoman state, he became a leader in world politics."
(stari, 23 November 2009 21:12)

Bad-bad example. "Somehow" Mehmet-pasha Sokolović was a relative to bishop of Peć. Turks still complain, he (Mehmet-pasha) spent more money on Peć Patriarchate than on Islamic architecture. Poor Serbian peasants are rarely relatives of bishops. Or if yes, their carrier as "poor villager" is a short one - they are for sure from exceptionally gifted family and their star will go up regardless, who is the ruler.

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Other "gems" from that heap of nonsense:

""Turkey is partly a Balkans country, partly a Caucasus country, and partly a Middle Eastern country. There are more Bosnians living in Turkey than in Bosnia! There are more Albanians in Turkey than in Albania, more Chechens than in Chechnya, more Abkhaz than in Abkhazia. Why? Because of the Ottoman heritage. "

Wrong. Because you came to Bosnia, Chechnya, Albania, Abkhazia (and many more countries) and devastated them for hundreds of years. The capable residents were encouraged to move to Turkey. Or - even worse - you took their land and now they live in "Turkey" (which should not be that large to begin with).

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"For all these different nations in the Balkans, the Caucasus, the Middle East, Turkey is a safe haven, their homeland. "

Yeah, these Armenians were very-very safe.

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"And we are confident that Sarajevo belongs to us!"

There is an old Hungarian joke:

- "What did say the poor railway man after the train cut off his arms and limbs?"
- "Hát a f***om nem kéne?" (Don't you want my *****, too? )

Anyway, what belongs to you is a kick in the rear and out of Europe, for good. If you are nice, you can get our tourist money. If you are not nice, you won't get even that.

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"They weren't all Turks. Some were of Albanian origina, others were Greek converts."

But of course. Great leaders of Balkans were Gjergj Skanderbeu, Lazar Hrebeljanović, János Hunyadi. I fail to see them being great fans of Ottoman Empire tough. But such "professors" can of course create out of thin air Laºar-paºa Hrebelianoglu, the great Turk. (On whatever spelling these geniuses will agree).

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During the Ottoman times, in the 16th century, the Balkans was at the center of world politics. That was the golden age of the Balkans. This is a historical fact."

That was golden age of Ottoman Empire. Not of the countries Ottomans invaded. And maybe even some Poles and Ukrainians agree with me, too. Not "just" Greeks, Bulgarians, many Albanians, Serbs, Croats, Romanians, Hungarians. Before the Ottoman rule the Balkan was ahead of Western Europe. Without it it would keep the advantage of many centuries more. Ottoman empire was one of the major tragedies what could happen in Europe.

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"Anadolia belongs to you, our brothers and sisters! "

That's for sure. Anatolia belongs to Assyrians, Armenians, Georgians, Chechens, Kurds... AND NO TURKS. You can speak about Central Asian steppes and Gobi desert tough.

But I found Mongolians being more reasonable and with stronger spine tough. Seems, like Gobi area made a lucky exchange with Anatolia.

Mr sj-ovic comment would supprise any Serbian army officer nevermind the ordinary Serb.
sj, your comment is being read by my colleagues in Iraq and Afganistan and you dont want to know what are they saying about Serbs like you.

Ajvalia, wishfull thinking no?

Ajvalia, wishfull thinking no?
(Olf,

My having fun with you isnt about my wishes it's about your worst nightmares as an albanian. If you read what you wrote you'll see your subconscious in bad grammar and worse spelling and in the end you tell the truth. Serbian army victoriously retrieving kosovo that's what you wrote. This is the worst nightmare in Albanian minds right under bravado surface. Thats what it's like to live constantly uncertain. Frozen conflicts are bad. One day and I hope soon all our Albanian olfs will realise we can only solve it in negotiations and more negotiations all the way until we agree. There's no other way. also my message to you and your 'colleagues' from me and my colleagues who are btw saying i'm wasting my time stupidly is this: don't fear the RETRIEVAL. Also i'm a realist my life is about doing my work well every day and I recommend it to everyone. So if kosovo isnt RETRIEVED in my lifetime, so be it. My perfect peace of mind is becuase of this 1. I'm a Serb patriot which is how god intends all Serbs to be and 2. I was, I am and I will be doing my best for our struggle to save our country. This doesnt count though this is where i go jelly brained talking to trolls on internet because i'm too tired or bored to do anything else :)

@PRN: Legalize it!

hey PRN this is from your link... im just not sure if you read the whole thing before making such claims...

"Mehmet-pasha Sokolović is a good example. Were it not for the Ottoman Empire, he would have been a poor Serb peasant with a small farm or whatever... Thanks to the Ottoman state, he became a leader in world politics."

Ben you are right, very challenging question -) but the option 3 is missing.
Taking into consideration the state of serbia army option 3 should say;
3. dont bother since the Serbian army is retrieving, but victoriously.
tale a pick ajvalia

Well, just like Serbia started all wars in former Yugo, they are starting to build army bases. I'll tell you one thing!, don't be surprised when KSF together with Albanian Army(NATO member) builds an army base in northern Kosova!.

Is this a "Russian" investment to retaliate US BONDSTEEL!!!!!! because I don't think so Serbians have put they money in same time are asking World bank to come out of recession but anyway only crows and wild pigs they will be scared of it......

This just goes to show that the Serbian threat on the Albanian population in the area is there and constant. This is how Serbia wants to build a future in the Balkans, by building military bases in the throat of Albanian minority there.

Not sure how will this ease the tensions in the region. It reminds albanians who has the gun in their had ready to fire and who is that they should point theirs to.

That is why K-Alb need to build an army as soon as possible to fight this threat.

Cheers, and visit...
(ben, 24

Am I invited too.
Seriously, those Romans. I read it somewhere they spent half their life in battle and the other half in spas. Beat that my friends :)
They were building a lot in the Balkans as well it seems?

It will be like the Russian peacekeepers in Kosova,it's just a mater of time before this base goes bankrupt.
With all the problems balkan have this is the last thing that I would want to see any balkan state using their money on,still the American/Russian fat cats are the ones that profit in this while we sit here and shoot words at each other.

hey americans, if you promiss to train and equip the albanians just like the georgians i, as a cultivated european, still won´t take your "promis" as valid and granted, but i would be happy ... :-)

but somehow i have a feeling the americans in here are all neo-americans, with first names like albon or megafon ....

while hans clearly has to be a german...

his evaluation of the american defeat in irak remembers us about his granddaddy, when germans on the run screamed to the russian soldiers that moscow already fell into barbarian hands ...

hilarious posting, tell us more about eusa´s endsieg in iraq ...

is it usual that - when you are "winning" - you flee in the middle of the night, like the english in basra ???

Why this base was build near Kosovo border, to protect Serbia from future Kosovo army. As you guys still consider Kosovo is in Serbia's territory you shouldn't build on the border with Kosovo, maybe with a border of Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro or Bosnia (this borders are on the south side of Serbia as a base is named "JUG").
So, with this means that south of Serbia border, includes Kosovo.

Say what u want, Iraq rebellion has been crushed and Iraqis are now dealing with the remaining terrorists themselves...and are also going to be one of US biggest Arms Purchaser in the near future...and as to afganistan...of course we can crush them too...but does this corrupt Karzai deserve it ? NO, so get back home...there's nothing valuable there (oil, gas, money), nothing...otherwise Russians wouldn't have leaved it
(Hans, 24 November 2009 13:09)

Hans

Just because you don’t read about it in the newspapers does not mean there is no insurgency going on in Iraq. The US forces in Iraq are sitting in their forts and only come out when only absolutely necessary and the vast majority of real work is being done by contractors or mercenaries. This reduces military deaths substantially; it used to be 30 per week now it’s only 5. The deaths were becoming a real problem with the US population and something had to be done to reduce the toll.

I hate to disappoint you but bringing in those extra forces to Iraq was a smoke screen to change tactics and retreat to fortified bases and little else. Insurgency is continuing even now but the west does not read about it because its freedom loving press will not talk about the subject.

Iraq has already placed an order for a vast quantity of military equipment and it’s not with the US or its allies. Further, the most valuable reconstruction/oil exploration contracts have been awarded and again they did not go to the US or their allies. So you wonder why the hell did they go into that country.

History has shown that Afghanistan has only been conquered by Alexander the Great so I don’t think that the US or NATO are going to have any luck either. For your information the current occupying forces are making the same mistakes as the Soviets . Kazahi is an appointee of the US so you can not blame anyone else for this man, but he is very smart and senses that US influence is waning and is positioning himself to stay as President for ever.

The Chinese are signing contracts with Kazahi to develop “mineral resources” in Afghanistan although I suspect that its more than that, but time will tell in this regard. In fact the Chinese are the biggest investors in Afghanistan and not the US or their allies. I know how the Chinese work and they do not spend money for nothing.

near the Ground Safety Zone (GSZ), and the administrative line with Kosovo and Metohija
I think I would have left this out of an article that is to feed the nationalists. Just a reminder that not only does Serbia no longer control Kosovo but they do not even have access to all of Serbia.

This is great news.

Finally, there is not more excuses why we should not allow Kosovans to have their strong Air Force with F16s and heavy weapons of Kosovan Armed Forces.

Mr sj-ovic comment would supprise any Serbian army officer nevermind the ordinary Serb.
sj, your comment is being read by my colleagues in Iraq and Afganistan and you dont want to know what are they saying about Serbs like you.

Ajvalia, wishfull thinking no?
(Olf, 24 November 2009 10:52)
Olf,
I am glad that you have spelt my surname correctly and I am flattered that your colleagues in Afghanistan and Iraq are reading my comments.
Here I repeat my statement for the benefit for your colleagues: the US went to war in Afghanistan to secure it so that oil and gas pipelines could go from the Caspian Sea then through a couple of former Soviet republics, through Afghanistan then to Pakistan. This invasion was planned during Bill Clinton’s presidency and the Kosovo incident was only a preparation for the big event. You see the US was “fighting” the Russians to the huge energy reserves in the Caspian Sea.
Iraq was an afterthought when Afghanistan “fell” so quickly, the US thought it was on roll. Here is some more statistics for you – the US has 100,000 permanently injured soldiers to date and rising; and the number with mental disabilities is only described as horrific with details only available to people with high security clearance. The UK is just as bad, but it no longer hides this fact.
Now the UK is in the process of holding an inquiry into the war in Iraq. Politicians and military trying to wash themselves clean and put the blame elsewhere. Inquiries are only held when you have lost a war; remember they held no inquiry over Kosovo.
If you think that after bombing my people I would like or have anything to do with the US or EU then you don’t know Serbs at all. In fact if I found a Serb army officer surprised at my statement then I would be very surprised. For your information all of my earlier statement is factually correct – even the tactics used by US Marines in Fallujah. If you or your colleagues want to know more let me know and I’ll describe these tactics in detail, perhaps some of your colleagues may recognize them.

The same that you have for your MIG 29 - Russians mercenaries.
(ben, 25 November 2009 11:54)

Ben, Ben... Serbian Airforce (ViPVO VS) have 3000 man personnel - more than all so-called "Kosovo Security Force". None of them is Russian mercenaries.

You probably mistakenly identified ViPVO VS with Forcat Ajrore Shqiptare... Oh... sorry - FASH don't exist today as air power...

Sj,

your outdated systems interfering with Bondsteel's radars ??? How can it be since all US systems are electronic

Say what u want, Iraq rebellion has been crushed and Iraqis are now dealing with the remaining terrorists themselves...and are also going to be one of US biggest Arms Purchaser in the near future...and as to afganistan...of course we can crush them too...but does this corrupt Karzai deserve it ? NO, so get back home...there's nothing valuable there (oil, gas, money), nothing...otherwise Russians wouldn't have leaved it

US military - unfotunately the problem for Kosovo is that it is as poor as peanuts.you'll be lucky to afford a few thousand M16, never mind a few tanks or aircraft. besides, the US want to keep you under strict control so as long as they are in Kosovo chances are they won't allow you to have too much equipment.

This is great news.

Finally, there is not more excuses why we should not allow Kosovans to have their strong Air Force with F16s and heavy weapons of Kosovan Armed Forces.
(US military, 24 November 2009 20:29)

How many fighter pilots you have in your "kosovan armed forces" able to fly F-16?

Brrr I am scared let them open 10 bases its their country they can do as they like.

I dont think they dare to start a new war Serbia will be send to Dark Ages and I am sure most intelectual Serbs wont allow this.

This is their country let them do as they please this is no news at all.

Nato is for a reason in Kosovo there is no chance Serbia wants ground troops in Center Belgrade this is a dream for Germans.

This new move by our ever-faithful blgd regime just exactly supports my earlier comment (as though we needed more ammunition, so to speak): the day that they STOP trying to destabilize the region is the day when things for the common people will improve. and not one day sooner.

so the belgd regime acts as provocatively as possible, which sets off (understandably)our albanian colleagues, which further sets off the ultra nationalists, which... let's see, how many more wars, and atrocities can still be committed, on balkan soil, while we all pretend to be so very civilized...

in dealing with such people, such a regime, you need carrots and sticks, assistance together w/ reminders of restraint. of civility. instead we have a rogue-like regime that shelters/coddles monstrous "alleged" criminals and continues to make trouble, every day, in every way. oh, how lucky we are, that they are pro-democratic and pro-western. what was our first clue -- shoring up dodik at every possible step, or welcoming biljana p. like she were the queen mother, returning home after an anguished excursion?

when will we ever wake up from this oh so dangerous slumber?

roberto
frisco

"""But in case you weren't aware, Serbians are Christians and our decendents lead back to Adam and Eve, being the first two people in the world so we can claim the whole planet! However, we're generous enough to share it.
(Zoran, 23 November 2009 21:39)""" Religion does not tell where your roots are from,people changed religions often in the human history..I am sure the Albanian and Serbian history is older than their religion.

Cheers, and visit Albania :)

P.S. off-road cars recommendet- anciant cities were build in high hills and the roads in Albania are improving :)
(ben, 24 November 2009 11:53)

Thanks, no problem to visit, it's in my visor regardless of my opinion on KosMet.
I have no off road car, so need to be careful. The sites you listed are known since antic and suffered a lot.

If not Ottoman Empire, the Silicon Valley would be in Hungary, Serbia or Albania. Or maybe Bulgaria, Greece (Byzantine Empire). But not in California.

As for Turkey - no problem with Turks in general either - but if they begin to praise their role in Europe like that FM, that needs to be corrected. I don't see any positive role, only devastation. No blame on individual Turks living here and now. tough. Huns, Magyars, too had their conquests and these weren't nice. All I can say "sorry guys, what we did 1000 years ago I won't do today".

"Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational ...."

Didn't that outdated weaponry shot down many F-16's and "invisible"F-117A Stealth, along with Apaches, and F-18's during the 1999 war... If you visit the Belgrade Air museum their wings are on display. That tells you all outdated weaponry still takes down planes which have millions invested in them or is it the education that the pilots have haha. With love from St.Petersburg!

I know how the Chinese work and they do not spend money for nothing.
(sj, 24 November 2009 23:22)

sj,

Why not share some of your "vast knowledge" with Belgrade. You could have saved them a lot of money on that glorified Boy Scout Camp called Cepotina. Since you imply that you have the inside scoop on everything that is going on in the world, where are these sources to be found that are not available to Western readers. Please enlighten us!

8 years ago, even the bosnian Serbs had good equipment and training, if you believe what a kfor-soldier told me in a private discussion.

that means for all you clueless kids out there: do not fool yourselves, your wishful thinking leads to severe disappointments in the future.

but, first of all, Olf and his other albanian comrades should finally stop hiding behind foreign nick-names... like "dan-ch", "us military" and whatelse they use to write...

is your albanian given name not good enough?

How many fighter pilots you have in your "kosovan armed forces" able to fly F-16?
(D. Popovic, 25 November 2009 07:16)

The same that you have for your MIG 29 - Russians mercenaries.

who cares if serbia build a base? if they want build another 100 such bases! for kosovo serbia isnt anymore a threat as we have the backing of NATO in a military conflict not to remember that also Albania is a NATO member but serbia can by a threat for albanians living in presevo but if that happens than the serbs in kosovo will pay a high price for that 100%!

It will make for great target practice for American aircraft flying out of Camp Bondsteel, the great American Army base in Kosova!

Thank you VS, as this is to become a part of Albania in not to distant future.

Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU)

These Albanians are anxiesiouly waiting to return to their historic land.

The more you invest in this region the more greatful they will be towards you.

Congratulations on the new base. We will build our own KSF base in Gjiljani, to maintain peace and security for the region.

Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational and training system could be threat to civilians only, what Serbia used it for all the time.

As for the claims of PRN what can I say, many things have happened in Balkans recently and lots of people movements at the same time, therefore I undrestand PRN point and simpathy for some Serb supporters.

This base is the very proof that Serbia is only "peaceful" because it has been forced to be peaceful. Nothing has changed.

On the other hand, this base will be also the best argument for Albanian military build-up. In that particular case, it would be even enough to deploy some light 105mm howitzer in the Kosovarian Bilinca area since the Serbs positioned their base well in fire range for that light artillery. With heavy artillery you can blank that whole rock. Easy target...

Cheers!

we do not care since europe will not allow you to use this base,or you will have to stay out of europe for a long long time...
This is the best service you can do to albanians,For many reasons that you do know/it reminds me of Milosevic sending his army in kosova!Same things ,same effects!

This is a messege to Prishtina "we have you in our sight", I say we scrap KSF and start building a real armed forces. Start getting our lobby in US back in track to get a mility programe and from our allies. Turkey have said numerious times they will help Kosovo in every field of security and health, time to ask for the "security help". KFOR is doing a great job but I rather have our own ppl watching the borders then leaving it to some anti-Independence troops such as Slovak and Romanien soldiers. Kosovo has alot of young ppl who are unemployed and serving in the military would help them a bit to life, start showing our patriotism instead of bowing down for everyone. Enough with liberal talk "no-one wants us damage", we are vulnerable as long as we depend on others.

Dear Zoran &co,

If my father or grandfather dies I, myself with brothers,sisters and cousins am entitled to claim the land that someone forcefully occupied from my grandfather or grand-grandfather...(wow..I invented the hot water)

For those of you who like googling around cheque how many Albanians are in Turkey and their origin (DONT look at wikipedia---sorry for wikipedia fans)

Just check why Turkish FM continuesly mentions that "There are more Albanians in Turkey than in Albania,"

http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-turkey-wants.html

....and check their origin too.

Thanks

Cheers

To all albanians who read this look at this American made documentary, about the bombing of the Serbian Army in 1999.

I will think you will find the serbian army is in a better position than your joke armys, as well as Americans are bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Where hopefuly you ll be sent one day to fight for your pimp :)

Also im sure Russian are building a base Nis, not that far away :)

Long Live Velika Srbija

Ziveli, Vuk UK

KOSOVO IS IN THE SERBIAN PEOPLES HEART AND SOUL, AND NO ONE CANT TAKE THIS FROM THE SERBS!

PRN,
if those albs really exist in Turkey, then i bet they have become more turkish than the original turkish.
Albanians have been champions in this kind of transformation (provided Turks and Albanians were two separate peoples in the 1st, place).

This is great news, however more than 1 base would be even better in that zone, to protect Serbs from albanian terrorists.

Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU)

These Albanians are anxiesiouly waiting to return to their historic land.
(PRN, 23 November 2009 10:11)
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PRN, according to you these supposed 5m Albanians were expelled 140 years ago. Unless 5 million babies were expelled they must all be what? 170 years old?

You should call the Guinness book of records and tell them about this. These Albanians can register as the oldest people on the planet. You'll be famous!

On the other hand, this base will be also the best argument for Albanian military build-up. In that particular case, it would be even enough to deploy some light 105mm howitzer in the Kosovarian Bilinca area since the Serbs positioned their base well in fire range for that light artillery. With heavy artillery you can blank that whole rock. Easy target...

Cheers!
(Berkeley, 23 November 2009 14:09)

Where will the supposed security force of Kosovo get artillery? They are not an army and are not allowed to have real weapons... The KSF must leave that stuff to proper armies, which they are not.

"This potential "problem" is easily solved for Serbia. they can just request the same addendum to their accession as the Czech Republic just did before it would sign the lisbon treaty making it impossible for ethnic germans to claim their properties back - the ones who were kicked out after WWII." Radoslav

I think you are being the kindest here at least acknowledge ther ware albanians living there, I for a start originate from near Nis area...

Good news Serbia, this base has positions to look inside of Kosovo. Hopefully within the next 5 years the camp will expand. Cheers!

Ben you are right, very challenging question -) but the option 3 is missing.
Taking into consideration the state of serbia army option 3 should say;
3. dont bother since the Serbian army is retrieving, but victoriously.
tale a pick ajvalia

Good Point Pyyros.

I'm still trying to work out how our "Illyrian" friends became so cosy with the TUrks during the occupation considering they have been in the Balkans for 3000 years.

The base is an eye looking into the field of blackbirds; for one day in the not too distant future - to reclaim that what is ours and always will be.

PRN - and I'm waiting for the Africans to come and kick out all the Albanians as they were the first people to inhabit Europe and are therfore the rightful owners of Albania and any other lands where Albanians live.

Great location for a military base! This base will prevent albanians from stealing territory in the future. It will also prevent albanian terrorists from causing any more trouble in this area.

Don't know why Serbs and other bother with PRN, kosovo-usa?
They never support their claims. They just write imaginary stories for little children and still everyone gets upset. Ignore them and comment on real issues.

Well, just like Serbia started all wars in former Yugo, they are starting to build army bases. I'll tell you one thing!, don't be surprised when KSF together with Albanian Army(NATO member) builds an army base in northern Kosova!.

PRN, aren't you tired of writing nonsence over here on the regular basis.

And really, would you be so kind to explain us on what basis those "expelled" Albanians would come back to thier "historic land"? Is there any proof of their origin? I guess their ancestors are in heaven for many years.
No, there is no, so give us all break and back off with these kinds of stupidity.

For a once you could say something that actually makes sense.

This military base is reality and in my opinion overly needed in that region.
The Albanians can protest as much as they like. They can write letters of protest all over the world, but they should be aware that this military base is built after the agreement with the EU, USA and I suppose NATO too.

Let's not forget the agresive paramilitary actions taken by the so called Liberation Army of Presevo, Bujanovac nad Medvedja. As far as I remember they had no support from the EU/USA/NATO masters.

Have a nice day, and my best regards to those expelled Albanians residing in Turkey.
They must be extremely old by now, but hey Albanians are supernatural after all.

To the Albanian behind his imaginary light gun. How you doing. Here's a question. you're 50 m over your target. Do you 1. adjust fire or 2. move the piece back 50 m?
Take your time son.

you're 50 m over your target. Do you 1. adjust fire or 2. move the piece back 50 m?
Take your time son.
(ajvalija 101, 23 November 2009 19:31)

now finally a serious question here... waooo

near the Ground Safety Zone (GSZ), and the administrative line with Kosovo and Metohija
I think I would have left this out of an article that is to feed the nationalists. Just a reminder that not only does Serbia no longer control Kosovo but they do not even have access to all of Serbia.

This new move by our ever-faithful blgd regime just exactly supports my earlier comment (as though we needed more ammunition, so to speak): the day that they STOP trying to destabilize the region is the day when things for the common people will improve. and not one day sooner.

so the belgd regime acts as provocatively as possible, which sets off (understandably)our albanian colleagues, which further sets off the ultra nationalists, which... let's see, how many more wars, and atrocities can still be committed, on balkan soil, while we all pretend to be so very civilized...

in dealing with such people, such a regime, you need carrots and sticks, assistance together w/ reminders of restraint. of civility. instead we have a rogue-like regime that shelters/coddles monstrous "alleged" criminals and continues to make trouble, every day, in every way. oh, how lucky we are, that they are pro-democratic and pro-western. what was our first clue -- shoring up dodik at every possible step, or welcoming biljana p. like she were the queen mother, returning home after an anguished excursion?

when will we ever wake up from this oh so dangerous slumber?

roberto
frisco

"Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU) "

PRN - stop Your dreaming. Albanians from Albania will not emigrate to Serbia after Serbia join EU. EU have more restrict law for emigrants from outside EU than today have Serbia.

I know - You are frustrated becouse You will live in black hole, but is one very easy step to join EU without problems - Kosovo must reintegrate with Serbia.

Ps. These "5 millions Albanians expelled from Serbia" - is a joke??

Mr sj-ovic comment would supprise any Serbian army officer nevermind the ordinary Serb.
sj, your comment is being read by my colleagues in Iraq and Afganistan and you dont want to know what are they saying about Serbs like you.

Ajvalia, wishfull thinking no?

Why this base was build near Kosovo border, to protect Serbia from future Kosovo army. As you guys still consider Kosovo is in Serbia's territory you shouldn't build on the border with Kosovo, maybe with a border of Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro or Bosnia (this borders are on the south side of Serbia as a base is named "JUG").
So, with this means that south of Serbia border, includes Kosovo.

It will make for great target practice for American aircraft flying out of Camp Bondsteel, the great American Army base in Kosova!
(Tony, 23 November 2009 15:28)

I hope they never try what are you sugesting,because they will live or not live to regret. No one in right state of mind would like to see another war in Balkans.

PRN:

http://www.joshuaproject.net/countries.php?rog3=TU

How many Albanians did You see??

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRE

how many peoples speak Albanian in Turkey did You see??

http://www.arnavut.com/turkiyede.php

How many Albanians in Turkey did You see (it's turkish-ALBANIAN page)??


About claims for Serbian lands from 150 years before... German settlers expelled after WWII from Poland and Czech Republic had similar dreams...

Albanians were only turkish settlers on the territory of conquered Kingdom of Serbia. They steal lands of expelled serbian peoples - did You know that only in 1690 from Kosovo were expelled TENS OF THOUSANDS SERBS. Who settled on their homes?? Albanians. Same was on the other serbian territories.

Is this a "Russian" investment to retaliate US BONDSTEEL!!!!!! because I don't think so Serbians have put they money in same time are asking World bank to come out of recession but anyway only crows and wild pigs they will be scared of it......

This just goes to show that the Serbian threat on the Albanian population in the area is there and constant. This is how Serbia wants to build a future in the Balkans, by building military bases in the throat of Albanian minority there.

Not sure how will this ease the tensions in the region. It reminds albanians who has the gun in their had ready to fire and who is that they should point theirs to.

That is why K-Alb need to build an army as soon as possible to fight this threat.

This is great news.

Finally, there is not more excuses why we should not allow Kosovans to have their strong Air Force with F16s and heavy weapons of Kosovan Armed Forces.

PRN - "Presevo valley and a significant area above up to Alexinac will accomodate 5m Albanians who were expelled to Turkey by serbia,...(once Serbia joins the EU"

This potential "problem" is easily solved for Serbia. they can just request the same addendum to their accession as the Czech Republic just did before it would sign the lisbon treaty making it impossible for ethnic germans to claim their properties back - the ones who were kicked out after WWII.

Wake up Europe,
Listen to the angel; "Serbia will never give up on either of its goals”. He is offering key guarantees for “security and peace” in the region! The “lamb” is unable to conceal his true goals, by disclosing his real ones, blaming all around especially Albanians, who are with no doubt likely among those who don’t wish peace and as usually involved in organized crime in the region. This is more than transparent evidence that some people will never learn history, and do not hesitate
to make troubles around.
Mr. Tadic your two main goals; preserving territorial integrity in Kosovo and membership to Europe do not go together, because we are not willing to share our destiny with those who give priority to the building of military bases instead of raising up of economic implants and giving chance to the people to live with dignity without being surrounded by uniforms.
Mr. Tadic, the existence of the army is a consequence; it is not a sustainable guarantee to any peace. The key factor to the peace is Economy and constructive dialog with neighbors, or peaceful coexistence.
At the end to Pyrros; could you imagine a 5 million unhappy Turkish-Albanian mixture eager to get back to where they belong?

I have just looked at my World Atlas and it would appear that Camp South is in an ideal position to protect Russia from Rogue states in North Africa. As part of its strategic missile defence, Russia could base interceptor missiles at Camp South to shoot down missiles fired by Russia’s enemies in North Africa, and elsewhere.

Dear Zoran &co,

If my father or grandfather dies I, myself with brothers,sisters and cousins am entitled to claim the land that someone forcefully occupied from my grandfather or grand-grandfather...
(PRN, 23 November 2009 14:45)
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PRN, why don't you sell this wonderful idea to your American backers? According to your rules they only have to go back 200 years to figure out who owns the US of A.

But in case you weren't aware, Serbians are Christians and our decendents lead back to Adam and Eve, being the first two people in the world so we can claim the whole planet! However, we're generous enough to share it.

Olf is amazing. He has not only been working in Russia and Kosovo at the same time for over a decade, he also has colleagues in Iraq and at the same time has become spokesperson for Serbian army officers and the general Serbian population alike.

With that kind of awesomeness I feel blessed to have him share his knowledge with us in this forum.

Brrr I am scared let them open 10 bases its their country they can do as they like.

I dont think they dare to start a new war Serbia will be send to Dark Ages and I am sure most intelectual Serbs wont allow this.

This is their country let them do as they please this is no news at all.

Nato is for a reason in Kosovo there is no chance Serbia wants ground troops in Center Belgrade this is a dream for Germans.

It will be like the Russian peacekeepers in Kosova,it's just a mater of time before this base goes bankrupt.
With all the problems balkan have this is the last thing that I would want to see any balkan state using their money on,still the American/Russian fat cats are the ones that profit in this while we sit here and shoot words at each other.

"Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa was even more critical, and said that ethnic Albanians will now be "surrounded on all sides by people in uniforms".

Why panic? These people in uniforms are there to protect all citizens of Serbia, and that includes you as well. That is providing you see yourself as a citizen of Serbia and not some imaginary new country.
Don't you want to feel safe?

Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational and training system could be threat to civilians only, what Serbia used it for all the time.

(Olf, 23 November 2009 15:45

My God it’s brought out the strangest people out of the wood work since the Albanians and their supporters had to make a humiliating reversal involving passports. They have come back with vigor and determination to show Serbs their short comings.
Yes, it’s a shame they don’t have the US to train their army and sell them those very modern weapons; you know the ones that’s brought them great success in Afghanistan and Iraq. The superiority of US training was in full spot light in Abu Grahib prison – American trailer trash that was unable to hold a rifle properly. For your information, during the battle for Fullujah in Iraq your beloved US forces used the same tactics initiated by General Ratko Mladic during the siege of Sarajevo.
That outdated equipment is interfering with Camp Bondsteel’s electronics and when the Russians arrive next year in Nis the Yanks will not be able to operate their radar systems – not bad for old and inferior equipment, eh! NATO/US cannot do a damn thing about it.

Sj,

your outdated systems interfering with Bondsteel's radars ??? How can it be since all US systems are electronic

Say what u want, Iraq rebellion has been crushed and Iraqis are now dealing with the remaining terrorists themselves...and are also going to be one of US biggest Arms Purchaser in the near future...and as to afganistan...of course we can crush them too...but does this corrupt Karzai deserve it ? NO, so get back home...there's nothing valuable there (oil, gas, money), nothing...otherwise Russians wouldn't have leaved it

Ajvalia, wishfull thinking no?
(Olf,

My having fun with you isnt about my wishes it's about your worst nightmares as an albanian. If you read what you wrote you'll see your subconscious in bad grammar and worse spelling and in the end you tell the truth. Serbian army victoriously retrieving kosovo that's what you wrote. This is the worst nightmare in Albanian minds right under bravado surface. Thats what it's like to live constantly uncertain. Frozen conflicts are bad. One day and I hope soon all our Albanian olfs will realise we can only solve it in negotiations and more negotiations all the way until we agree. There's no other way. also my message to you and your 'colleagues' from me and my colleagues who are btw saying i'm wasting my time stupidly is this: don't fear the RETRIEVAL. Also i'm a realist my life is about doing my work well every day and I recommend it to everyone. So if kosovo isnt RETRIEVED in my lifetime, so be it. My perfect peace of mind is becuase of this 1. I'm a Serb patriot which is how god intends all Serbs to be and 2. I was, I am and I will be doing my best for our struggle to save our country. This doesnt count though this is where i go jelly brained talking to trolls on internet because i'm too tired or bored to do anything else :)

Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational and training system could be threat to civilians only, what Serbia used it for all the time.
(Olf, 23 November 2009 15:45
Maybe, you should test your claims and visit them! Im sure they would be more than happy to see you and the warm welcome would be something for you to remember for entire life.

Well it seems PRN has been exposed by Milan and Ataman. Excellent links that support your argument with facts, Milan.

And soon the 1,000,000s of Neanderthals and their offsprings, which were expelled by Germanics tribes in the Stone Age, will return to the land where they always have been living, to Germany - this country is already in the EU :-)

"This is how Serbia wants to build a future in the Balkans, by building military bases in the throat of Albanian minority there."

Gee, Denis, we do not see Hungarians in the north or other minority groups carrying out bombings, only Albanians, so where would you suggest the base be? Hmmm?

hey PRN this is from your link... im just not sure if you read the whole thing before making such claims...

"Mehmet-pasha Sokolović is a good example. Were it not for the Ottoman Empire, he would have been a poor Serb peasant with a small farm or whatever... Thanks to the Ottoman state, he became a leader in world politics."

About time the base was built. Therell be no more terrorism, no more crime, no more drug and people smuggling. What an absolute marvel. It's due time that the south was cleaned up.


CCCC

How many fighter pilots you have in your "kosovan armed forces" able to fly F-16?
(D. Popovic, 25 November 2009 07:16)

The same that you have for your MIG 29 - Russians mercenaries.

It will make for great target practice for American aircraft flying out of Camp Bondsteel, the great American Army base in Kosova!
(Tony, 23 November 2009 15:28

Please no more about the invincibility of NATO or US Army. They have had their fill in Iraq and now again in Afghanistan and they are in no way ready for anymore fighting on any front. The great US and its NATO is finished!

It hasn’t dawned on you yet that this is the beginning of changes in that region or Europe for that matter. It was the EU/US that asked Serbia to construct this base to try and stem the criminality in Kosova such as drug running and human trafficking.

"""But in case you weren't aware, Serbians are Christians and our decendents lead back to Adam and Eve, being the first two people in the world so we can claim the whole planet! However, we're generous enough to share it.
(Zoran, 23 November 2009 21:39)""" Religion does not tell where your roots are from,people changed religions often in the human history..I am sure the Albanian and Serbian history is older than their religion.

hey PRN this is from your link... im just not sure if you read the whole thing before making such claims...
(stari, 23 November 2009 21:12)

Smelly, ugly, foul link is that tough. What a heap of rubbish. And most claims are 100% wrong.

Next time we will hear, Turks were busy saving millions of Armenians during WW-I.

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"Mehmet-pasha Sokolović is a good example. Were it not for the Ottoman Empire, he would have been a poor Serb peasant with a small farm or whatever... Thanks to the Ottoman state, he became a leader in world politics."
(stari, 23 November 2009 21:12)

Bad-bad example. "Somehow" Mehmet-pasha Sokolović was a relative to bishop of Peć. Turks still complain, he (Mehmet-pasha) spent more money on Peć Patriarchate than on Islamic architecture. Poor Serbian peasants are rarely relatives of bishops. Or if yes, their carrier as "poor villager" is a short one - they are for sure from exceptionally gifted family and their star will go up regardless, who is the ruler.

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Other "gems" from that heap of nonsense:

""Turkey is partly a Balkans country, partly a Caucasus country, and partly a Middle Eastern country. There are more Bosnians living in Turkey than in Bosnia! There are more Albanians in Turkey than in Albania, more Chechens than in Chechnya, more Abkhaz than in Abkhazia. Why? Because of the Ottoman heritage. "

Wrong. Because you came to Bosnia, Chechnya, Albania, Abkhazia (and many more countries) and devastated them for hundreds of years. The capable residents were encouraged to move to Turkey. Or - even worse - you took their land and now they live in "Turkey" (which should not be that large to begin with).

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"For all these different nations in the Balkans, the Caucasus, the Middle East, Turkey is a safe haven, their homeland. "

Yeah, these Armenians were very-very safe.

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"And we are confident that Sarajevo belongs to us!"

There is an old Hungarian joke:

- "What did say the poor railway man after the train cut off his arms and limbs?"
- "Hát a f***om nem kéne?" (Don't you want my *****, too? )

Anyway, what belongs to you is a kick in the rear and out of Europe, for good. If you are nice, you can get our tourist money. If you are not nice, you won't get even that.

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"They weren't all Turks. Some were of Albanian origina, others were Greek converts."

But of course. Great leaders of Balkans were Gjergj Skanderbeu, Lazar Hrebeljanović, János Hunyadi. I fail to see them being great fans of Ottoman Empire tough. But such "professors" can of course create out of thin air Laºar-paºa Hrebelianoglu, the great Turk. (On whatever spelling these geniuses will agree).

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During the Ottoman times, in the 16th century, the Balkans was at the center of world politics. That was the golden age of the Balkans. This is a historical fact."

That was golden age of Ottoman Empire. Not of the countries Ottomans invaded. And maybe even some Poles and Ukrainians agree with me, too. Not "just" Greeks, Bulgarians, many Albanians, Serbs, Croats, Romanians, Hungarians. Before the Ottoman rule the Balkan was ahead of Western Europe. Without it it would keep the advantage of many centuries more. Ottoman empire was one of the major tragedies what could happen in Europe.

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"Anadolia belongs to you, our brothers and sisters! "

That's for sure. Anatolia belongs to Assyrians, Armenians, Georgians, Chechens, Kurds... AND NO TURKS. You can speak about Central Asian steppes and Gobi desert tough.

But I found Mongolians being more reasonable and with stronger spine tough. Seems, like Gobi area made a lucky exchange with Anatolia.

I know how the Chinese work and they do not spend money for nothing.
(sj, 24 November 2009 23:22)

sj,

Why not share some of your "vast knowledge" with Belgrade. You could have saved them a lot of money on that glorified Boy Scout Camp called Cepotina. Since you imply that you have the inside scoop on everything that is going on in the world, where are these sources to be found that are not available to Western readers. Please enlighten us!

That was golden age of Ottoman Empire. Not of the countries Ottomans invaded. And maybe even some Poles and Ukrainians agree with me, too. Not "just" Greeks, Bulgarians, many Albanians, Serbs, Croats, Romanians, Hungarians. Before the Ottoman rule the Balkan was ahead of Western Europe. Without it it would keep the advantage of many centuries more. Ottoman empire was one of the major tragedies what could happen in Europe.


(Ataman, 24 November 2009 06:02)

You cannot be more correct Ataman.

I sugest you to read "Eschile the great looser" of Kadare.

Just visit Ulpiana near Prishtina, Albanopolis, Apolonia, Bylis, Butrint, Finiq, Antigonea, Xara, Maliq, Benja, Dunevc etc

All cities with very advanced culture with theatres, stadiums developed commercial links whith the entire Mediterranean which disapeared after the Ottomoan invasion.

Note that Albania is among few nations where every 5km you can find an archaeological sites or other cultural heritage of great beauty.

If you like tourism, Albania is the place. Everytime I visit some archeological site (to visit all of them you will need couple of months- to viit all the catsels of Albania you will need much more) I meet researchers/tourists from institutes from all around Europe and northern America. Now the only thing it needs is to become a mass-tourism.

Just go and visit them and you will find another tangible proof of what are you saying. It is still very cheap it costs you from 200-500 Lek the entry in archeological parks whille most of the castels are for free. 1€=120Lek.

Cheers, and visit Albania :)

P.S. off-road cars recommendet- anciant cities were build in high hills and the roads in Albania are improving :)

who cares if serbia build a base? if they want build another 100 such bases! for kosovo serbia isnt anymore a threat as we have the backing of NATO in a military conflict not to remember that also Albania is a NATO member but serbia can by a threat for albanians living in presevo but if that happens than the serbs in kosovo will pay a high price for that 100%!

My joke lobbeth over and misseth albanians. That's ok its not a great joke. Anyway one albanian wrote,
'Serbian army is retrieving, but victoriously'

Serbian army victoriously retrieving? Kosovo? Inshallah my boy!

Cheers, and visit Albania :)

P.S. off-road cars recommendet- anciant cities were build in high hills and the roads in Albania are improving :)
(ben, 24 November 2009 11:53)

Thanks, no problem to visit, it's in my visor regardless of my opinion on KosMet.
I have no off road car, so need to be careful. The sites you listed are known since antic and suffered a lot.

If not Ottoman Empire, the Silicon Valley would be in Hungary, Serbia or Albania. Or maybe Bulgaria, Greece (Byzantine Empire). But not in California.

As for Turkey - no problem with Turks in general either - but if they begin to praise their role in Europe like that FM, that needs to be corrected. I don't see any positive role, only devastation. No blame on individual Turks living here and now. tough. Huns, Magyars, too had their conquests and these weren't nice. All I can say "sorry guys, what we did 1000 years ago I won't do today".

Cheers, and visit...
(ben, 24

Am I invited too.
Seriously, those Romans. I read it somewhere they spent half their life in battle and the other half in spas. Beat that my friends :)
They were building a lot in the Balkans as well it seems?

@PRN: Legalize it!

Say what u want, Iraq rebellion has been crushed and Iraqis are now dealing with the remaining terrorists themselves...and are also going to be one of US biggest Arms Purchaser in the near future...and as to afganistan...of course we can crush them too...but does this corrupt Karzai deserve it ? NO, so get back home...there's nothing valuable there (oil, gas, money), nothing...otherwise Russians wouldn't have leaved it
(Hans, 24 November 2009 13:09)

Hans

Just because you don’t read about it in the newspapers does not mean there is no insurgency going on in Iraq. The US forces in Iraq are sitting in their forts and only come out when only absolutely necessary and the vast majority of real work is being done by contractors or mercenaries. This reduces military deaths substantially; it used to be 30 per week now it’s only 5. The deaths were becoming a real problem with the US population and something had to be done to reduce the toll.

I hate to disappoint you but bringing in those extra forces to Iraq was a smoke screen to change tactics and retreat to fortified bases and little else. Insurgency is continuing even now but the west does not read about it because its freedom loving press will not talk about the subject.

Iraq has already placed an order for a vast quantity of military equipment and it’s not with the US or its allies. Further, the most valuable reconstruction/oil exploration contracts have been awarded and again they did not go to the US or their allies. So you wonder why the hell did they go into that country.

History has shown that Afghanistan has only been conquered by Alexander the Great so I don’t think that the US or NATO are going to have any luck either. For your information the current occupying forces are making the same mistakes as the Soviets . Kazahi is an appointee of the US so you can not blame anyone else for this man, but he is very smart and senses that US influence is waning and is positioning himself to stay as President for ever.

The Chinese are signing contracts with Kazahi to develop “mineral resources” in Afghanistan although I suspect that its more than that, but time will tell in this regard. In fact the Chinese are the biggest investors in Afghanistan and not the US or their allies. I know how the Chinese work and they do not spend money for nothing.

US military - unfotunately the problem for Kosovo is that it is as poor as peanuts.you'll be lucky to afford a few thousand M16, never mind a few tanks or aircraft. besides, the US want to keep you under strict control so as long as they are in Kosovo chances are they won't allow you to have too much equipment.

This is great news.

Finally, there is not more excuses why we should not allow Kosovans to have their strong Air Force with F16s and heavy weapons of Kosovan Armed Forces.
(US military, 24 November 2009 20:29)

How many fighter pilots you have in your "kosovan armed forces" able to fly F-16?

Mr sj-ovic comment would supprise any Serbian army officer nevermind the ordinary Serb.
sj, your comment is being read by my colleagues in Iraq and Afganistan and you dont want to know what are they saying about Serbs like you.

Ajvalia, wishfull thinking no?
(Olf, 24 November 2009 10:52)
Olf,
I am glad that you have spelt my surname correctly and I am flattered that your colleagues in Afghanistan and Iraq are reading my comments.
Here I repeat my statement for the benefit for your colleagues: the US went to war in Afghanistan to secure it so that oil and gas pipelines could go from the Caspian Sea then through a couple of former Soviet republics, through Afghanistan then to Pakistan. This invasion was planned during Bill Clinton’s presidency and the Kosovo incident was only a preparation for the big event. You see the US was “fighting” the Russians to the huge energy reserves in the Caspian Sea.
Iraq was an afterthought when Afghanistan “fell” so quickly, the US thought it was on roll. Here is some more statistics for you – the US has 100,000 permanently injured soldiers to date and rising; and the number with mental disabilities is only described as horrific with details only available to people with high security clearance. The UK is just as bad, but it no longer hides this fact.
Now the UK is in the process of holding an inquiry into the war in Iraq. Politicians and military trying to wash themselves clean and put the blame elsewhere. Inquiries are only held when you have lost a war; remember they held no inquiry over Kosovo.
If you think that after bombing my people I would like or have anything to do with the US or EU then you don’t know Serbs at all. In fact if I found a Serb army officer surprised at my statement then I would be very surprised. For your information all of my earlier statement is factually correct – even the tactics used by US Marines in Fallujah. If you or your colleagues want to know more let me know and I’ll describe these tactics in detail, perhaps some of your colleagues may recognize them.

hey americans, if you promiss to train and equip the albanians just like the georgians i, as a cultivated european, still won´t take your "promis" as valid and granted, but i would be happy ... :-)

but somehow i have a feeling the americans in here are all neo-americans, with first names like albon or megafon ....

while hans clearly has to be a german...

his evaluation of the american defeat in irak remembers us about his granddaddy, when germans on the run screamed to the russian soldiers that moscow already fell into barbarian hands ...

hilarious posting, tell us more about eusa´s endsieg in iraq ...

is it usual that - when you are "winning" - you flee in the middle of the night, like the english in basra ???

The same that you have for your MIG 29 - Russians mercenaries.
(ben, 25 November 2009 11:54)

Ben, Ben... Serbian Airforce (ViPVO VS) have 3000 man personnel - more than all so-called "Kosovo Security Force". None of them is Russian mercenaries.

You probably mistakenly identified ViPVO VS with Forcat Ajrore Shqiptare... Oh... sorry - FASH don't exist today as air power...

"Well, Serbian army base with its outdated weaponry as well as their outdated educational ...."

Didn't that outdated weaponry shot down many F-16's and "invisible"F-117A Stealth, along with Apaches, and F-18's during the 1999 war... If you visit the Belgrade Air museum their wings are on display. That tells you all outdated weaponry still takes down planes which have millions invested in them or is it the education that the pilots have haha. With love from St.Petersburg!

8 years ago, even the bosnian Serbs had good equipment and training, if you believe what a kfor-soldier told me in a private discussion.

that means for all you clueless kids out there: do not fool yourselves, your wishful thinking leads to severe disappointments in the future.

but, first of all, Olf and his other albanian comrades should finally stop hiding behind foreign nick-names... like "dan-ch", "us military" and whatelse they use to write...

is your albanian given name not good enough?