Hungarian leader: Belgrade pushes separatism

Hungary and EU as a whole shoudl intervene to allow this province obtain independence.
(PRN, 19 November 2009 11:25)

Sure, genius. Then the Serbs in north Kosovo can do it too. As a matter of fact, I may move to Pristina, buy a house, and declare my own independence from "Kosova." Why not? Hell, I can be my own independent country! :)

Kasa also said that "although Belgrade is always talking about Vojvodina's secession", this region in fact "never wanted to secede from Serbia".
--
Look, Vojvodina will not secede from the rest of Serbia. The main culprits calling for secession are our ethnic Albanian citizens.

They have nothing better to do than to stir the pot and call for the secession of Sandžak, Vojvodina and Kosovo. It's no wonder they are known as the trouble makers of the Balkans.

None of those regions will ever successfully secede from Serbia and no-one is calling for secession except those troublemakes. These are the people who have difficulty living with anyone but themselves.

Why stop here!? Why not split Serbia up into even smaller pieces? Then everyone in the international community (except for Serbs of course) can have their own piece of influence in the Balkans.

Vojvodina just like Croatia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia. Montenegro etc had a rotating YU President.

Since all former regions that made up YU obtained independence why not Vojvodina?

Hungary and EU as a whole shoudl intervene to allow this province obtain independence.
(PRN, 19 November 2009 11:25)

PRN - did You read?? "this region in fact NEVER wanted to secede from Serbia". Maybe K-Albanians thinking that all nationalities in Serbia are like Albanians - separatists disloyal to their state. But You are wrong.

Ps. Kosovo otherwise Bosnia or Croatia is not independent. It's only region of Serbia who is under EU administration.

Are we still on this nonsense of Vojvodina's separatism?

Hungary needs to finally get over the fact they lost most of their territory after WW I, due to it's alliance with the Axis powers, and stop agitating the minority groups living in Vojvodina.

Dear Luigi!!!
More Crisis will only result in more Serbs in the already fully Serb-dominated Vojvodina.

Vojvodina just like Croatia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia. Montenegro etc had a rotating YU President.

Since all former regions that made up YU obtained independence why not Vojvodina?

Hungary and EU as a whole shoudl intervene to allow this province obtain independence.

Kasa can talk whatever he wants,Serbs make up already 75% of the popuation,hungarians only 12% and they are shrinking,shrinking and shrinking.

Who's fooling who, here? these micro states are so pointless, esp when they are lacking in everything a state needs to function, not least competent leadership. Hungary? oh they used to be relevant, now it's so relevant the last time any of us took note of them was when Bene played outside right in the 1966 World Cup.
Serbia needs to deal with the big issues, not mosquito bites like this.
Serbia could be great modern nation but this sort of thing and Thaci the democrat in Kosovo are becoming burdensome to the greater goals ahead and Serbian politians need to stsrt looking outwards, not become introverts to problems which will sort themselves out when the people see their prosperity improving because of strong economic management and visibly showing disdain for local politicians and wannabees whose best days were in 1992..

Because of this no statute at all for nobody just spread the money around and everyone will be happy. and as for the albanians just talking did you know the greeks want all of south albania since it is Greek lands and we will back them up on that because it is Greek lands, and did you know the north is Serbian lands in history and we will push for that also because it is our lands and vojvodina is 75% Serbs and hungarians are lucky if they are 10% and enough with this talk and its time for all Serbs to speak enough just listening to nonsense, speak out.

If the crisis deepen..than Voivodina will salute the rest of Serbia..bye bye and best wishes..

NOVI SAD -- Constant accusations of separatism coming from Belgrade could lead to those in favor of separatism in Vojvodina to organize, says an ethnic Hungarian leader.

Are you looking for an excuse?
The Albanian excuse won't do for you so you have to think of another one very quickly.

Funny. This has been happoenning since 2000, and seperatist (i.e. LSV) have been organized since before then.

Their support has constantly been at 8%. So it seems that nothing Belgrade does pushes people in to seperatism.

Every minority in the last 20 years is keen or has already broke away from Serbia. What is that saying about how the Serbs run their country, 'Nobody wants to live under the Serb rule' Montenegro, Kosova have gone. Vojvodina will gain at least autonomy in the next 5 years, Bulagaria might even grab a small chunk as well. Most importantly Sandzak will breakaway once RS in BiH becomes "officially" seperated from the federation because the Muslims will want sandzak in return of the 49% lost to RS. If the Serbs think that capturing Mladic is a way into the E.U they better think again as Serbia's minorities and borders will be a major problem for them just like Croatia's dispute with Slovenia. There is no such thing as resolution in the Balakns...The Serbs will realise this very soon. 'Enjoy'

Luigi, only a trip to Novi Sad will show you the light.
Internet and reality are two different things (fortunately).
As far as Serbia's economy is concerned (since you love to connect those two issues), well what can we say for the No1 industrial/agricultural power of the balkans?

Too much fuss about nothing.Kasza has been forgotten wants to be in the limelight for a moment again.He is not taken seriosly by anybody.Hungarian nationalists consider him a former ally of Milosevic. He is a typical guy who would like to ride several horses at the same time but falls in between.Well and his first name .Another József(Joseph) or simply Joe.For some interesting reason always they are the leading figures when it comes to nonsense comments.They always recall me this gudget http://www.wowwee.com/en/products/toys/robots/robotics/joebot. Maybe some kind of software failure.Who knows.Unfortunatelly such narrow-minded Kasza Joes have always been present in Hungarian history since the end of Árpádház kings.Thanks to their stupidity (for example choosing the wrong allies at wrong time) Hungary once a leading power in Europe has shrunk into some 4th grade country.Additionally hungary is rich in freshwater reserves the "oil" of 21st century.Those financial circles which orchestreted the anti-serb propaganda and war machine in 90s have an interest to have a weak hungary which makes stupid irresponsable moves so that they can have a hold on wekened Hungary's water reserves.Kasza type people are a good tool for them.Divide and rule.The golden rule.

@mr.Pyrros
i can't understand the comment mine was only referring to the 2 velocity engine of the Serbian economy and the fact that the speeder would like to be able to run and not walk.....i doubt that Voivodjne will stay calm and silence in a poor Serbia..

"Sure, genius. Then the Serbs in north Kosovo can do it too. As a matter of fact, I may move to Pristina, buy a house, and declare my own independence from "Kosova." Why not? Hell, I can be my own independent country! :)
(Jason, "

So you as a genious can name a North_kosovo president in the ex yu?

or have you been in your past time a president of pristina?

are you "westeners" always so deep with yourhetoric?

In politics the rule of law is to not believe politicians until its denied.

This richness with sweet water reserves is the latest. Some Hungarian rightwingers came up this year with this childish idea but I never thought that you will descend to their level and adopt it as your own.
(Joe, 20 November 2009 02:51)

I do not think that either International Red Cross or MTA(Hungarian Academy of Sciences) would be either childish or right wing similarly to organizers of day of Waters who stated these facts .And Joe do not worry why seemingly Hungary has nothing to offer because your "masters" whose sins you would like to minimize every time have with the help of businessmen turned former commies succesfully puled down hungarian economy .Destroyed agriculture will once boost again but not in the hands of local people.The fact that there are no water reservoirs today does not mean that cannot be build in the future.Destroy,make it cheap and then buy it.Ethernal recipe of your current masters.Fortunately as opposed to most hungarians I can follow their logic that is an important factor why I do well on stock exchange.And do not come with this extreme right wing story.It is you on this forum who with extreme anti-ortodox hate reminds the most dedicated arrow-cross member on this forum.I have seen you already on some hungarian forums(your style cannot be mistaken that is why you should not worry whwn someone else uses the name JOE like you did sometimes in the past.)You are there denied being hungarian(IMO it is not completly just)by some got angry come to B92 forum and try to be very "patriotic" but in a very clumsy way namly some 19th century habsurg-style anti-ortodox mentality(which is currently characteristic only to some extreme elements in hungary and quite funnily is against the hungarian roots of christianity among others as well as the Teachings of Holy Crown)So cool down and try to improve your sense of rhytym possibly asking for a new software.

If Mr Kasza really wants to help the ethnic Hungarians achieve a greater voice, himself along with Messers Egeresi and Pastor should march onto all the Aptekas in Subotica and Novi Sad and promptly confiscate all the French Letters. They would get automatic backing from the Pope.

Hell it worked for Northern Irish catholics :)

Joe,

And one more thing .
Your recent comments just reflect the frame of mind belonging to someone who naivly believs that US bombings always serve humanitarian reasons.As Ataman has written recently loyality has limits .If it exceeds them it is called stupidity or blindness.

It is hard to discuss anything with you and most Hungarians because you have excuses for everything. You are all perfect but those Americans are responsible for everything. How childish to distort the reality instead of starting to change your overall attitude. As a first step you should reexamine your antisemitism. Sure you don't have the courage to name Jews directly. You refer to them as "fiends of Broklyn and Manhattan". Well I don't have any Jewish friend in Manhattan (I don't live in Greater New York)and none in Broklyn either. And I am not Jewish but respect them for their accomplishments.
And to close it on one remark: beside commis you guys generally blame the 100,000 Jews from Hungary, who according to you exploit and ruin you. But they are only 1% of the population. If that would be the case that would be a very poor certificate (szegenysegi bizonyitvany) of the capabilities and intelligence of the remaining 99%.
How is it that neighboring countries don't have this virulant antisemitism? Are there smarter?
(Joe, 20 November 2009 19:56)

It si sometimes difficult to write directly because perhaps you have also heard of sensorship.At least quite often complain about it.Joe again you refer to some things I have never written.For example that hungarians are perfect.In fact if you have not noticed I am often critical of them more than you or anyone else among others for being naiv and easily manipulated and many other things(in such cases it is usually you who defend them with no foundation for example when I state that stupidity narrow mindes and endless mistakes made by hungaruians heavily contributed to trianon and not only foreigners you are the one who tries to contradict and act as siró-panaszkodó magyar(cring-complaining hungarian).In fact there are about half a millon of them in Hungary and they were heavily overrepresented in communist organizations turning their political power into economic one.And if the antisemitism is so high in Hungary why has budapest the biggest synagoge in the world and a growing jewish population.I trained for some while in the gym and swimming pool in kleopátra house http://www.kleopatrafitnesz.hu/ .After a while I heard only hebrew at that place.It turned out to be building built by israeli Ehud Amir in order to attract more and more israelis to budapest from war torn area .Seems that they consider hungary a safe place.
Maybe after all antisemitism is not so high at all here.Anyway being critical about them does not mean being antisemitic.

szemi,

This richness with sweet water reserves is the latest. Some Hungarian rightwingers came up this year with this childish idea but I never thought that you will descend to their level and adopt it as your own.
Where is so much water in Hungary, who in the last years experienced drought..except this year?
If occasionally there is flood
(due to rivers coming from neighboring countries) you can store very little of it due to lack of huge reservoirs. "We have a lot of thermal waters" you would reply. But those are used up by those stinky spas visited by pensioners. I don't see anything those bad Western "financial circles" could "steal" from Hungary. You have nothing to ofer except huge deficits, a small market and 3 million pensioners (1/3 of the population). So trying to pretend otherwise is more than ridiculous.

And about "masters" maybe in Europe you still have some but here as free people we just have a democratically elected government.
Joe, 20 November 2009 16:56)

Democratically elected government.HAHA.You can choose between right and left hand of AIPEC.Of course americans including is too superficial to understand this.So you have masters and they are the same in Hungary.

And about the childish excuse of most Hungarians lately, the ridiculous reference to those former commies: who elected and re-elected them in the last 20 years??
( Joe, 20 November 2009 16:56)

If there are only apples in the market then you are limited to only buying apples.Unfortunatelly the so called system change was artificial .Your friends from Brooklyn and Manhattan whose predecessors were 92 years ago behind russian revolution always manage to find some local slaves who will serve their interest.In Hungary they are former commies or their sons.Of course there is solution but it would be too bloody and people are tired.

They watch TV (4 hours per day in average) and avoid hard work. This is just one of your problems.
( Joe, 20 November 2009 16:56)

Most people I know (except for me) work 12-14 hours a day to make ends meet and have money or energy only to sit down in front of tv afterwars which through commercials tries to hoodwink them.A very vicious circle .Overtax people(we know for centuries who are the masters of this process),build road for double price and residential parks where you can host new sattlers,wash people out ,try to make haelth and sport sector as expansive as possible so that you can collact people's last forints.Vicious very well planned circle.As to agriculture you do not need to own soil,it is enough to destroy artificialy food processing industry,and create impossible competition terms for peasants.
Just think about HAJDúBÉT and who put that criminal in the driving seat.People?not.Again your friends rewarded him for destroying agriculture.And Bajnai is just the top of the iceberg.

Joe keep being brainwashed by FOX,CNN,WSJ and NYT and then you are sure to remain a superficial guy who does not have a clue about background forces and puts down nonsense as you did in your previous comment.Or maybe you are not allowed to be to critical with your masters because you fear losing job.And BTW with your endless cheek regarding twisting of the facts you judt resemble your masters' cheeky style.Calling hardworking exploited people lazy is disgusting.

"Your recent comments just reflect the frame of mind belonging to someone who naivly believs that US bombings always serve humanitarian reasons."
szemi

Big distortion of the truth.
I never said "always". For humanitarian reasons it was in Kosovo only. In places like Afghanistan it is against terrorism, it is called "forward defence".

"As Ataman has written recently loyality has limits".

Yes to any party. But I ment loyalty to the country. That is a big difference. I doubt you understand loyalty to the country.

Web

It is not me who appoined myself as spokesman it was you who labeled me this way.Additinally mistaking me for someone else namely a russian wow that was really odd.(as opposed to you anyway I have no problem with them)As to the nonsense word antisemitism which is with no ground repeated by some parrots I cannot help.Simply refering to Fidesz background or jewish sins does not make anyone anti-jew.(By telling critics about greeks you do not become anti-hellenic imidiatelly.)But if you really want to accuse someone with antisemitism(real one) no better way to start with the state of Isreal for her treatment of palestinians. As to Kasza I once again agree and that is what I underlined in my first comment that there were too many of this kind of Kaszas in hungarian history who rising unnceserry tensions with their steps or actions caused problems not only to others but mainly to hungarians.So try to do something with your comprehension before putting me in camp of such adventurers.Additinally from your comments I see that is exactly you who has not been able to get rid of some bad old hungarian habits such as the priciple of let the neighbourh's cow die.Belive me it can backfire as it often happened in the past.AS for putting you in Orbán's camp excuse me.

szemi,

It is hard to discuss anything with you and most Hungarians because you have excuses for everything. You are all perfect but those Americans are responsible for everything. How childish to distort the reality instead of starting to change your overall attitude. As a first step you should reexamine your antisemitism. Sure you don't have the courage to name Jews directly. You refer to them as "fiends of Broklyn and Manhattan". Well I don't have any Jewish friend in Manhattan (I don't live in Greater New York)and none in Broklyn either. And I am not Jewish but respect them for their accomplishments.
And to close it on one remark: beside commis you guys generally blame the 100,000 Jews from Hungary, who according to you exploit and ruin you. But they are only 1% of the population. If that would be the case that would be a very poor certificate (szegenysegi bizonyitvany) of the capabilities and intelligence of the remaining 99%.
How is it that neighboring countries don't have this virulant antisemitism? Are there smarter?

Please leave Hungary out of it, Szemi. Hungarians don't need to be represented by Russians any more, thank you very much. Just speak for yourself, please (and Joe, don't take what Szemi says as representative of Hungary, please!!!!)
About representation: Poor Vojvodina Hungarians! Kasza was considered their representative throughout the Milosevic years. Kasza got rich, and things did not improve for them. And now, again (still) he's considered their representative. Want to guess where this is going to lead? With Kasza speaking, it surely won't be good for the Hungarians left in Vojvodina.
If I were from Vojvodina and saw this guy talking "for me" again, I'd probably thinmnk it was time to pack the bags and move to Hungary (just as soon as Orban keeps his promise and gives citizenship to ethnic Hungarians after he is elected).

Please leave Hungary out of it, Szemi. Hungarians don't need to be represented by Russians any more, thank you very much
(Webber, 21 November 2009 13:15)
Perhaps even less by germans who brought hungarians more disaster than anyone else in the last millenium herr labanc wéber

Webber,


Otherwise what makes you think that you zsidesz minded hungarians are the only ones who represent hungarians.Your great boss Orbán(former KISZ secretery) who as opposed to your hopes unfortunatelly rarely keeps his promises(already had opportunity to grant citizenship) contributed to selling out country no less than the so called other half.When it comes to verbal karate he is unbeatable.As to me being russian well you are a bit mistaken guy.On my mothers' side I am of polish origin on top of al that from a military aristocracy family the members of which have given blood for freedom of hungary several times during history.Even your idol Orbán Vica had to admit that poles have done more for hungary during history than hungarians themselves(I played soccer with him together during 80s in student hostels pitch and spoke alot about common polish hungarian history and to tell the truth nursed much bigger hopes in this guy and a whole change of system as well so I can be labeled naiv l).Anyway being both polish and hungarian I have luckily oportunity to see these 2 people from both inside and outside as opposed to narrow minded "vak" magyar pseudopatriots and thus maybe see more of their mistakes.As to Kasza I completly agree and if you read carefully this is what I indicated in my first comment.

Luigi, i see your point.
You are hoping that the stereotype: rich north, poor south applies to Serbia as well?
Surprise!!!
In 19th century Leskovac and Vranje were like science fiction compared to "catholic", "pure", "western", "northern", "white" Slovenia and Croatia.

Here is some more clues to you,
(since traveling is not in your agenda):

Economy or Vojvodina is not *that* superior to that of Sumadija for instance..

check your sources

"Constant accusations of separatism coming from Belgrade could lead to those in favor of separatism in Vojvodina to organize, says an ethnic Hungarian leader."

Really? By whom and when exactly?

Szemi - Why do you always claim to speak for other Hungarians, almost like Kasza. I don't do that. Incidentally, I don't like Orban either - but who cares about my political tastes? Just speak for yourself, I'll speak for myself, and let's not pretend we're national spokesmen. But about your comments: Zsidesz? (for those who don't speak Hungarian, that's a combination of Zsido for Jew, + Fidesz) Brooklyn? Jews are the problem?
You're an anti-Semite by any definition of the word, except the old one from Horthy's days: "an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is absolutely necessary".

Good multicultural country has a lot of great things to offer, get with the program!!!

Hungarians living in Serbia, should know the main language of the country -- it's a shame many can't even form a sentence with proper sentence structure/grammar in Serbian!

szemi,

Since when is the International Red Cross a water expert? And your MTA? Did they summerize up with facts or just put out this glorified statement?
And about "masters" maybe in Europe you still have some but here as free people we just have a democratically elected government.
And about the childish excuse of most Hungarians lately, the ridiculous reference to those former commies: who elected and re-elected them in the last 20 years??
answer: Hungarian citizens
For older national problems you were able to blame Turks, Austrians, Germans and Russians but for the last 20 years you are a free country. You are masters of your own destiny. If you mismanage your economy to the ground don't blame foreigners but like grown-ups please blame yourselves.
And about your agriculture: foreigners are not allowed yet to by land in Hungary until 2011. So again your argument doesn't hold water. The main problem in the Hungarian agriculture is that people got too lazy.
They watch TV (4 hours per day in average) and avoid hard work. This is just one of your problems.
And "anti-orthodox mentality" ...why do you trow in such shaky fact when we discuss waters in Hungary?

If the crisis deepen..than Voivodina will salute the rest of Serbia..bye bye and best wishes..

Vojvodina just like Croatia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia. Montenegro etc had a rotating YU President.

Since all former regions that made up YU obtained independence why not Vojvodina?

Hungary and EU as a whole shoudl intervene to allow this province obtain independence.

"Sure, genius. Then the Serbs in north Kosovo can do it too. As a matter of fact, I may move to Pristina, buy a house, and declare my own independence from "Kosova." Why not? Hell, I can be my own independent country! :)
(Jason, "

So you as a genious can name a North_kosovo president in the ex yu?

or have you been in your past time a president of pristina?

are you "westeners" always so deep with yourhetoric?

In politics the rule of law is to not believe politicians until its denied.

@mr.Pyrros
i can't understand the comment mine was only referring to the 2 velocity engine of the Serbian economy and the fact that the speeder would like to be able to run and not walk.....i doubt that Voivodjne will stay calm and silence in a poor Serbia..

Kasa also said that "although Belgrade is always talking about Vojvodina's secession", this region in fact "never wanted to secede from Serbia".
--
Look, Vojvodina will not secede from the rest of Serbia. The main culprits calling for secession are our ethnic Albanian citizens.

They have nothing better to do than to stir the pot and call for the secession of Sandžak, Vojvodina and Kosovo. It's no wonder they are known as the trouble makers of the Balkans.

None of those regions will ever successfully secede from Serbia and no-one is calling for secession except those troublemakes. These are the people who have difficulty living with anyone but themselves.

Vojvodina just like Croatia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia. Montenegro etc had a rotating YU President.

Since all former regions that made up YU obtained independence why not Vojvodina?

Hungary and EU as a whole shoudl intervene to allow this province obtain independence.
(PRN, 19 November 2009 11:25)

PRN - did You read?? "this region in fact NEVER wanted to secede from Serbia". Maybe K-Albanians thinking that all nationalities in Serbia are like Albanians - separatists disloyal to their state. But You are wrong.

Ps. Kosovo otherwise Bosnia or Croatia is not independent. It's only region of Serbia who is under EU administration.

Hungary and EU as a whole shoudl intervene to allow this province obtain independence.
(PRN, 19 November 2009 11:25)

Sure, genius. Then the Serbs in north Kosovo can do it too. As a matter of fact, I may move to Pristina, buy a house, and declare my own independence from "Kosova." Why not? Hell, I can be my own independent country! :)

Hungary needs to finally get over the fact they lost most of their territory after WW I, due to it's alliance with the Axis powers, and stop agitating the minority groups living in Vojvodina.

Kasa can talk whatever he wants,Serbs make up already 75% of the popuation,hungarians only 12% and they are shrinking,shrinking and shrinking.

Are we still on this nonsense of Vojvodina's separatism?

szemi,

It is hard to discuss anything with you and most Hungarians because you have excuses for everything. You are all perfect but those Americans are responsible for everything. How childish to distort the reality instead of starting to change your overall attitude. As a first step you should reexamine your antisemitism. Sure you don't have the courage to name Jews directly. You refer to them as "fiends of Broklyn and Manhattan". Well I don't have any Jewish friend in Manhattan (I don't live in Greater New York)and none in Broklyn either. And I am not Jewish but respect them for their accomplishments.
And to close it on one remark: beside commis you guys generally blame the 100,000 Jews from Hungary, who according to you exploit and ruin you. But they are only 1% of the population. If that would be the case that would be a very poor certificate (szegenysegi bizonyitvany) of the capabilities and intelligence of the remaining 99%.
How is it that neighboring countries don't have this virulant antisemitism? Are there smarter?

Dear Luigi!!!
More Crisis will only result in more Serbs in the already fully Serb-dominated Vojvodina.

Because of this no statute at all for nobody just spread the money around and everyone will be happy. and as for the albanians just talking did you know the greeks want all of south albania since it is Greek lands and we will back them up on that because it is Greek lands, and did you know the north is Serbian lands in history and we will push for that also because it is our lands and vojvodina is 75% Serbs and hungarians are lucky if they are 10% and enough with this talk and its time for all Serbs to speak enough just listening to nonsense, speak out.

Funny. This has been happoenning since 2000, and seperatist (i.e. LSV) have been organized since before then.

Their support has constantly been at 8%. So it seems that nothing Belgrade does pushes people in to seperatism.

NOVI SAD -- Constant accusations of separatism coming from Belgrade could lead to those in favor of separatism in Vojvodina to organize, says an ethnic Hungarian leader.

Are you looking for an excuse?
The Albanian excuse won't do for you so you have to think of another one very quickly.

Luigi, i see your point.
You are hoping that the stereotype: rich north, poor south applies to Serbia as well?
Surprise!!!
In 19th century Leskovac and Vranje were like science fiction compared to "catholic", "pure", "western", "northern", "white" Slovenia and Croatia.

Here is some more clues to you,
(since traveling is not in your agenda):

Economy or Vojvodina is not *that* superior to that of Sumadija for instance..

check your sources

"Constant accusations of separatism coming from Belgrade could lead to those in favor of separatism in Vojvodina to organize, says an ethnic Hungarian leader."

Really? By whom and when exactly?

szemi,

Since when is the International Red Cross a water expert? And your MTA? Did they summerize up with facts or just put out this glorified statement?
And about "masters" maybe in Europe you still have some but here as free people we just have a democratically elected government.
And about the childish excuse of most Hungarians lately, the ridiculous reference to those former commies: who elected and re-elected them in the last 20 years??
answer: Hungarian citizens
For older national problems you were able to blame Turks, Austrians, Germans and Russians but for the last 20 years you are a free country. You are masters of your own destiny. If you mismanage your economy to the ground don't blame foreigners but like grown-ups please blame yourselves.
And about your agriculture: foreigners are not allowed yet to by land in Hungary until 2011. So again your argument doesn't hold water. The main problem in the Hungarian agriculture is that people got too lazy.
They watch TV (4 hours per day in average) and avoid hard work. This is just one of your problems.
And "anti-orthodox mentality" ...why do you trow in such shaky fact when we discuss waters in Hungary?

Every minority in the last 20 years is keen or has already broke away from Serbia. What is that saying about how the Serbs run their country, 'Nobody wants to live under the Serb rule' Montenegro, Kosova have gone. Vojvodina will gain at least autonomy in the next 5 years, Bulagaria might even grab a small chunk as well. Most importantly Sandzak will breakaway once RS in BiH becomes "officially" seperated from the federation because the Muslims will want sandzak in return of the 49% lost to RS. If the Serbs think that capturing Mladic is a way into the E.U they better think again as Serbia's minorities and borders will be a major problem for them just like Croatia's dispute with Slovenia. There is no such thing as resolution in the Balakns...The Serbs will realise this very soon. 'Enjoy'

Who's fooling who, here? these micro states are so pointless, esp when they are lacking in everything a state needs to function, not least competent leadership. Hungary? oh they used to be relevant, now it's so relevant the last time any of us took note of them was when Bene played outside right in the 1966 World Cup.
Serbia needs to deal with the big issues, not mosquito bites like this.
Serbia could be great modern nation but this sort of thing and Thaci the democrat in Kosovo are becoming burdensome to the greater goals ahead and Serbian politians need to stsrt looking outwards, not become introverts to problems which will sort themselves out when the people see their prosperity improving because of strong economic management and visibly showing disdain for local politicians and wannabees whose best days were in 1992..

Luigi, only a trip to Novi Sad will show you the light.
Internet and reality are two different things (fortunately).
As far as Serbia's economy is concerned (since you love to connect those two issues), well what can we say for the No1 industrial/agricultural power of the balkans?

szemi,

This richness with sweet water reserves is the latest. Some Hungarian rightwingers came up this year with this childish idea but I never thought that you will descend to their level and adopt it as your own.
Where is so much water in Hungary, who in the last years experienced drought..except this year?
If occasionally there is flood
(due to rivers coming from neighboring countries) you can store very little of it due to lack of huge reservoirs. "We have a lot of thermal waters" you would reply. But those are used up by those stinky spas visited by pensioners. I don't see anything those bad Western "financial circles" could "steal" from Hungary. You have nothing to ofer except huge deficits, a small market and 3 million pensioners (1/3 of the population). So trying to pretend otherwise is more than ridiculous.

This richness with sweet water reserves is the latest. Some Hungarian rightwingers came up this year with this childish idea but I never thought that you will descend to their level and adopt it as your own.
(Joe, 20 November 2009 02:51)

I do not think that either International Red Cross or MTA(Hungarian Academy of Sciences) would be either childish or right wing similarly to organizers of day of Waters who stated these facts .And Joe do not worry why seemingly Hungary has nothing to offer because your "masters" whose sins you would like to minimize every time have with the help of businessmen turned former commies succesfully puled down hungarian economy .Destroyed agriculture will once boost again but not in the hands of local people.The fact that there are no water reservoirs today does not mean that cannot be build in the future.Destroy,make it cheap and then buy it.Ethernal recipe of your current masters.Fortunately as opposed to most hungarians I can follow their logic that is an important factor why I do well on stock exchange.And do not come with this extreme right wing story.It is you on this forum who with extreme anti-ortodox hate reminds the most dedicated arrow-cross member on this forum.I have seen you already on some hungarian forums(your style cannot be mistaken that is why you should not worry whwn someone else uses the name JOE like you did sometimes in the past.)You are there denied being hungarian(IMO it is not completly just)by some got angry come to B92 forum and try to be very "patriotic" but in a very clumsy way namly some 19th century habsurg-style anti-ortodox mentality(which is currently characteristic only to some extreme elements in hungary and quite funnily is against the hungarian roots of christianity among others as well as the Teachings of Holy Crown)So cool down and try to improve your sense of rhytym possibly asking for a new software.

Szemi - Why do you always claim to speak for other Hungarians, almost like Kasza. I don't do that. Incidentally, I don't like Orban either - but who cares about my political tastes? Just speak for yourself, I'll speak for myself, and let's not pretend we're national spokesmen. But about your comments: Zsidesz? (for those who don't speak Hungarian, that's a combination of Zsido for Jew, + Fidesz) Brooklyn? Jews are the problem?
You're an anti-Semite by any definition of the word, except the old one from Horthy's days: "an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is absolutely necessary".

It is hard to discuss anything with you and most Hungarians because you have excuses for everything. You are all perfect but those Americans are responsible for everything. How childish to distort the reality instead of starting to change your overall attitude. As a first step you should reexamine your antisemitism. Sure you don't have the courage to name Jews directly. You refer to them as "fiends of Broklyn and Manhattan". Well I don't have any Jewish friend in Manhattan (I don't live in Greater New York)and none in Broklyn either. And I am not Jewish but respect them for their accomplishments.
And to close it on one remark: beside commis you guys generally blame the 100,000 Jews from Hungary, who according to you exploit and ruin you. But they are only 1% of the population. If that would be the case that would be a very poor certificate (szegenysegi bizonyitvany) of the capabilities and intelligence of the remaining 99%.
How is it that neighboring countries don't have this virulant antisemitism? Are there smarter?
(Joe, 20 November 2009 19:56)

It si sometimes difficult to write directly because perhaps you have also heard of sensorship.At least quite often complain about it.Joe again you refer to some things I have never written.For example that hungarians are perfect.In fact if you have not noticed I am often critical of them more than you or anyone else among others for being naiv and easily manipulated and many other things(in such cases it is usually you who defend them with no foundation for example when I state that stupidity narrow mindes and endless mistakes made by hungaruians heavily contributed to trianon and not only foreigners you are the one who tries to contradict and act as siró-panaszkodó magyar(cring-complaining hungarian).In fact there are about half a millon of them in Hungary and they were heavily overrepresented in communist organizations turning their political power into economic one.And if the antisemitism is so high in Hungary why has budapest the biggest synagoge in the world and a growing jewish population.I trained for some while in the gym and swimming pool in kleopátra house http://www.kleopatrafitnesz.hu/ .After a while I heard only hebrew at that place.It turned out to be building built by israeli Ehud Amir in order to attract more and more israelis to budapest from war torn area .Seems that they consider hungary a safe place.
Maybe after all antisemitism is not so high at all here.Anyway being critical about them does not mean being antisemitic.

"Your recent comments just reflect the frame of mind belonging to someone who naivly believs that US bombings always serve humanitarian reasons."
szemi

Big distortion of the truth.
I never said "always". For humanitarian reasons it was in Kosovo only. In places like Afghanistan it is against terrorism, it is called "forward defence".

"As Ataman has written recently loyality has limits".

Yes to any party. But I ment loyalty to the country. That is a big difference. I doubt you understand loyalty to the country.

If Mr Kasza really wants to help the ethnic Hungarians achieve a greater voice, himself along with Messers Egeresi and Pastor should march onto all the Aptekas in Subotica and Novi Sad and promptly confiscate all the French Letters. They would get automatic backing from the Pope.

Hell it worked for Northern Irish catholics :)

Please leave Hungary out of it, Szemi. Hungarians don't need to be represented by Russians any more, thank you very much. Just speak for yourself, please (and Joe, don't take what Szemi says as representative of Hungary, please!!!!)
About representation: Poor Vojvodina Hungarians! Kasza was considered their representative throughout the Milosevic years. Kasza got rich, and things did not improve for them. And now, again (still) he's considered their representative. Want to guess where this is going to lead? With Kasza speaking, it surely won't be good for the Hungarians left in Vojvodina.
If I were from Vojvodina and saw this guy talking "for me" again, I'd probably thinmnk it was time to pack the bags and move to Hungary (just as soon as Orban keeps his promise and gives citizenship to ethnic Hungarians after he is elected).

Why stop here!? Why not split Serbia up into even smaller pieces? Then everyone in the international community (except for Serbs of course) can have their own piece of influence in the Balkans.

Please leave Hungary out of it, Szemi. Hungarians don't need to be represented by Russians any more, thank you very much
(Webber, 21 November 2009 13:15)
Perhaps even less by germans who brought hungarians more disaster than anyone else in the last millenium herr labanc wéber

Webber,


Otherwise what makes you think that you zsidesz minded hungarians are the only ones who represent hungarians.Your great boss Orbán(former KISZ secretery) who as opposed to your hopes unfortunatelly rarely keeps his promises(already had opportunity to grant citizenship) contributed to selling out country no less than the so called other half.When it comes to verbal karate he is unbeatable.As to me being russian well you are a bit mistaken guy.On my mothers' side I am of polish origin on top of al that from a military aristocracy family the members of which have given blood for freedom of hungary several times during history.Even your idol Orbán Vica had to admit that poles have done more for hungary during history than hungarians themselves(I played soccer with him together during 80s in student hostels pitch and spoke alot about common polish hungarian history and to tell the truth nursed much bigger hopes in this guy and a whole change of system as well so I can be labeled naiv l).Anyway being both polish and hungarian I have luckily oportunity to see these 2 people from both inside and outside as opposed to narrow minded "vak" magyar pseudopatriots and thus maybe see more of their mistakes.As to Kasza I completly agree and if you read carefully this is what I indicated in my first comment.

Web

It is not me who appoined myself as spokesman it was you who labeled me this way.Additinally mistaking me for someone else namely a russian wow that was really odd.(as opposed to you anyway I have no problem with them)As to the nonsense word antisemitism which is with no ground repeated by some parrots I cannot help.Simply refering to Fidesz background or jewish sins does not make anyone anti-jew.(By telling critics about greeks you do not become anti-hellenic imidiatelly.)But if you really want to accuse someone with antisemitism(real one) no better way to start with the state of Isreal for her treatment of palestinians. As to Kasza I once again agree and that is what I underlined in my first comment that there were too many of this kind of Kaszas in hungarian history who rising unnceserry tensions with their steps or actions caused problems not only to others but mainly to hungarians.So try to do something with your comprehension before putting me in camp of such adventurers.Additinally from your comments I see that is exactly you who has not been able to get rid of some bad old hungarian habits such as the priciple of let the neighbourh's cow die.Belive me it can backfire as it often happened in the past.AS for putting you in Orbán's camp excuse me.

Too much fuss about nothing.Kasza has been forgotten wants to be in the limelight for a moment again.He is not taken seriosly by anybody.Hungarian nationalists consider him a former ally of Milosevic. He is a typical guy who would like to ride several horses at the same time but falls in between.Well and his first name .Another József(Joseph) or simply Joe.For some interesting reason always they are the leading figures when it comes to nonsense comments.They always recall me this gudget http://www.wowwee.com/en/products/toys/robots/robotics/joebot. Maybe some kind of software failure.Who knows.Unfortunatelly such narrow-minded Kasza Joes have always been present in Hungarian history since the end of Árpádház kings.Thanks to their stupidity (for example choosing the wrong allies at wrong time) Hungary once a leading power in Europe has shrunk into some 4th grade country.Additionally hungary is rich in freshwater reserves the "oil" of 21st century.Those financial circles which orchestreted the anti-serb propaganda and war machine in 90s have an interest to have a weak hungary which makes stupid irresponsable moves so that they can have a hold on wekened Hungary's water reserves.Kasza type people are a good tool for them.Divide and rule.The golden rule.

And about "masters" maybe in Europe you still have some but here as free people we just have a democratically elected government.
Joe, 20 November 2009 16:56)

Democratically elected government.HAHA.You can choose between right and left hand of AIPEC.Of course americans including is too superficial to understand this.So you have masters and they are the same in Hungary.

And about the childish excuse of most Hungarians lately, the ridiculous reference to those former commies: who elected and re-elected them in the last 20 years??
( Joe, 20 November 2009 16:56)

If there are only apples in the market then you are limited to only buying apples.Unfortunatelly the so called system change was artificial .Your friends from Brooklyn and Manhattan whose predecessors were 92 years ago behind russian revolution always manage to find some local slaves who will serve their interest.In Hungary they are former commies or their sons.Of course there is solution but it would be too bloody and people are tired.

They watch TV (4 hours per day in average) and avoid hard work. This is just one of your problems.
( Joe, 20 November 2009 16:56)

Most people I know (except for me) work 12-14 hours a day to make ends meet and have money or energy only to sit down in front of tv afterwars which through commercials tries to hoodwink them.A very vicious circle .Overtax people(we know for centuries who are the masters of this process),build road for double price and residential parks where you can host new sattlers,wash people out ,try to make haelth and sport sector as expansive as possible so that you can collact people's last forints.Vicious very well planned circle.As to agriculture you do not need to own soil,it is enough to destroy artificialy food processing industry,and create impossible competition terms for peasants.
Just think about HAJDúBÉT and who put that criminal in the driving seat.People?not.Again your friends rewarded him for destroying agriculture.And Bajnai is just the top of the iceberg.

Joe keep being brainwashed by FOX,CNN,WSJ and NYT and then you are sure to remain a superficial guy who does not have a clue about background forces and puts down nonsense as you did in your previous comment.Or maybe you are not allowed to be to critical with your masters because you fear losing job.And BTW with your endless cheek regarding twisting of the facts you judt resemble your masters' cheeky style.Calling hardworking exploited people lazy is disgusting.

Joe,

And one more thing .
Your recent comments just reflect the frame of mind belonging to someone who naivly believs that US bombings always serve humanitarian reasons.As Ataman has written recently loyality has limits .If it exceeds them it is called stupidity or blindness.

Good multicultural country has a lot of great things to offer, get with the program!!!

Hungarians living in Serbia, should know the main language of the country -- it's a shame many can't even form a sentence with proper sentence structure/grammar in Serbian!