He said that the U.S. will not withdraw its recognition of Kosovo even if the ICJ determines that the unilateral proclamation went against international law.
How utterly arrogant of the US. I wonder if the US would accept this approach from any other country in the world? Imagine if Iraq for example said we will take Kuwait as our own territory even if the rest of the world thinks its illegal!? This only highlights further the "one rule for US and one rule for everyone else" approach that the US applies to most issues. I hope my own country's government doesnt act like a puppet and follow the US lead on this. Lets hope everyone is capable of reasoned independant thought on this. That way we may find a reasonable and fair solution to this whole issue.
My main focus on Xharra and Dacic was of what Dacic was saying in regards to pragmatism and talking about keeping the average K. Albanian out of the crossfire of politics of Kosova/o and Serbia. Sure, there were certain things that Xharra could've done better, but what the politician says are a tad bit more important than what a journalists babbles about. With that said, the overall interview, to me at least, served as a good indication of what the Serb government's stance is with regards to their view on the population of Kosova/o. Lumping an entire ethnic group as stereotype by a politician is appalling, and should not be tolerated. On the other hand, the Kosovar's investment (a view Xharra and I seem to share – not very fond of it) on propaganda of “the new Europeans” isn't really taking a jab at Serbia per se, as is Dacic “lumping an entire community together in one Easy to Swallow Stereotype.” We're talking about a high ranking Serb official spewing this garbage, not Kostunica or some other peon, so it isn't to be taken lightly.
Mike, the issue with Greece and Macedonia is a good example – here are two parties that cannot agree on an issue, yet they came up with a practical solution so that the people won't be caught in the midst of it all (in this case, the visas are not issued on Macedonian passports, but given as an external document). Additionally, a point that Xharra made resonated quite well with me – if Thailand and Vietnam, two countries who don't recognize Kosova/o or passports can come up with a practical solution for the Kosovar people, and they're a world away from Kosova/o and Serbia, why can't Serbia, a neighbor, do something of the sort, for the sake of the people? Honestly, I see no valid excuse so far. I can see Serbia taking a page from Macedonia and Greece's book, and work a somewhat similar deal. No need to recognize Kosova/o as independent, yet the people aren't punished (I would go as far as saying that they would be scoring political points with Kosovar population and int'l community). I feel that Dacic failed miserably on this topic. And this is the topic that I was focusing on – pragmatism of what affects people's everyday lives. And the whole “you can get a Serb passport” doesn't quite hold water in my mind – to get to Serbia (which is where Kosovars have to go to get one), one needs a travel document of some sort. It's a bit of a catch 22, and all of it unnecessary to begin with.
Serbs in Kosova are being given choices. Genuine choices, if only they were to take it what it.
(Goni, 15 November 2009 03:42)
What do you know about geniuine choices?
Albanians were given plenty of choices but decided to throw them back in Serbs' faces. Please don't tell me I don't know anything about what was happining in Kosovo prior to 90s.
You are not talking to someone who was born yesterday.
Albanians wanted to secede for a very long time now. This is even said by Albanians themselves. Just needed an excuse which conveniently Milosevic gave them. I guess they would've come up with some excuse sooner or later regardless of Milosevic.
You had choices. You had everything that Serbs there had except one thing you wanted most. Albanian flag flying over your institutions, but that is the only thing you wanted.
Thanks Jetoni for the two links. Your post with Matthew two years ago (a nice trip down B92 memory lane, though I wonder where I was that day) essentially touches upon a number of issues I've been advocating as well - particularly the no brainer that is making Albanian an official language of Serbia. It also shows that retaining *all* of Kosovo means integrating the Albanian population. Similar to Pristina needing to integrate the Serbian. Whether both sides actually want to do that, however, is another issue.
The interview with Xharra and Dacic went - well, better than I thought. There were a few moments when it could have deteriorated into a shouting match, but Dacic is the consummate politician, and Xharra is the consummate interviewer. I suspect similar situations would result were Thaci or Sejdiu interviewed by a member of B92 or Danas.
A few things I noticed:
1. Part 1 around 5:05 - Dacic argues Kosovo's "criminal element" kept it off the Schengen List. He didn't need to say that and could have kept it at "well, it's part of Serbia, but the EU kept it off, and we're not happy with that, but c'est la vie." Xharra obviously banked that statement for later.
2. Part 3: K-Serbs south of the Ibar. Dacic won that debate IMO, but could have kept it to the "practical" issues Xharra was talking about concerning local elections. I agree with her concerning the "practicality" of where Serb communities south the Ibar are. But Dacic could have said just that without going into the whole "what if Gracanica seceded"? His job is to keep all of Kosovo, not to punch holes in the parts his governments wants. He could have easily have said something like "well, we expect them to be fully self-sustaining and work with us regardless of when they vote". That would have sealed the argument for him. But alas. My argument is basically that: practicality trumps loyalty to Belgrade, but don’t get your hope up that practicality is going to show up in Pristina. It’s more like “thanks for the municipality Feith. Now all of you leave us the Hell alone”. The general “F you we can do it ourselves” attitude in Gracanica to everyone else is beyond endearing.
3. Part 4: Serb MUPs: Here or not here in Kosovo? Dacic totally blew that one. Xharra essentially had him there. The rumor of whether Serb MUPs are in the north or not is one of those mysteries, but Dacic was clearly caught off guard.
4. Part 4: c. 3:45: the issue of propaganda. Have to give points to Xharra who brought up #1 again. This went back and forth and produced nothing, but she raised a valid point of lumping an entire community together in one Easy to Swallow Stereotype. She kept it professional though and he had to think fast on the spot. She got points for that.
5. Issue of Kosovo passports - she keeps using the Greece/Macedonia issue but I think Greece recognizes Macedonia as a country. It's just the name that's the problem. Dacic's response that Kosovo's community can use their Serbian/Yugoslav passports holds water. Obviously he implies K-Serbs are welcome, but his blank stare at the question of K-Albanians wanting to visit the rest of Serbia was somewhat of a revelation to him. Still, with what he said about passport control, I’m curious to see how one can travel from Pristina to Serbia Proper, as he suggested.
6. The "image problem" Xharra raised for Serbia Proper and Kosovo Province - very true and one of the rare times anyone seems to mention it. I’m really glad she mentioned this. She didn't seem to be a big fan of the CNN add Pristina spent money on, but she's spot on about the efforts both sides (or actually both communities regardless of any "border") are undertaking to demonize the other side when efforts could be made to mend fences, even within an atmosphere of agreeing to disagree. I can only imagine how deep this is with both communities controlling their own education system. The history books should be real winners.
I share most of Ataman's observations as well. Still, I realize that Dacic *is* constrained to answer in a specific way. He does have Belgrade to answer to (even though he runs the Interior Ministry). You or I can be a Hell of a lot more flexible on what to do with Kosovo than he can. Moreover, this is the same man who only a few days ago responded to the Vojvodina statute as something akin to the "biggest setback to the autonomists in 20 years". I felt that was an extremely loaded statement and plays into partisan politics since autonomy was never an issue to people who’s names didn’t end in Čanak or begin with Nenad. So while he seems pretty sure of himself about 90% of the time, he still resorted to preset answers to questions posed to him.
All of this however, raises the critical issue of practical matters that still need to be solved between both sides, and the general disinterest of both sides’ political elites in dealing with them.
US support is not going away.
(pss, 15 November 2009 19:46)
Support of whom? Of Veton Surroi or maybe Albin Kurti? No way.
We are talking about supporting the forces who are the best from the perspective of Dept. of State. But of course it sounds nice on the surface. That's the purpose of it and precisely ON THIS day. God forbid - and somewhat unholy happens like "Vetëvendosje!" gaining influence.
Not sure if you watched Jeta Xharra's interview with Dacic (if you haven't, I recommend it. YouTube has it online that you can watch - ([link]) – then go through parts from there), but you can see some disheartening messages that Serb gov't is sending.
(Jetoni, US, 15 November 2009 18:35)
Thanks for the link - IMO, Jeta Xharra made two big mistakes during the interview:
- She allowed typical "apparatchik" talk to unfold by not exploiting few critical points.
- She did not act professional by cutting into her interviewer partner's words. She was going around, so was Dacic. And he had the upper hand, even that for me it was Jeta who was more sympathetic.
Again, I underscore: I liked her better out of two. But I wish, she would do that interview better. And sometimes I felt, she wanted rather provoke than get good answer.
I would focus on three areas, or better, ask three questions only.
Q1: "Why can people bearing Chinese (Mainland) passports travel enter Taiwan and Taiwanese passholders travel to Mainland China without visas and extra complications?"
Can we find a similar solution?
(Proper answer would be: "yes, we will issue temporary residence cards. MUP is not in control of the passport issuing in Pristina, hence we cannot issue permanent licna karta. However, we can issue temporary "licna karta" at the admin line crossings with limited validity time")
Q2: "What would be the best way for Albanians in Pristina to visit their relatives on the territory under MUP control by car? The public transport is not the best-organized. At the same time US citizens can take their car between Belgrade and Pristina as much as they like."
(Proper answer from me would be: "MUP does not control car licensing in Pristina, neither any authority we do recognize. The cars bearing license plates of unrecognized authority need to display temporary Serbian plates, purchased at the border. Same about the insurance.")
Q3: "White Schengen" question. That question, too was "under-exploited" by Jeta and here I would answer somewhat differently, too. Mentioning Cyprus was good, but IMO, not to underscore that the fate of Albanians was of any concern was a mistake.
I did find it pretty low that the usual "you killed your own PM" versus "European capitals are full of Albanian criminals" word exchange did happen. I.D. was the one who did mention it first, but Jeta Xharra pretty much succumbed to that topic. It is OK(???) here, usual on YouTube - but not in an interview. Ultimately, most of the interview became unwillingly the usual "opanak versus fustanella" and lost a lot in the process.
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“I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important. ”
- Hehe, I will have to agree with you on that. A case of the “Opps, I didn't realize I just said that out loud” if you will (if it were me anyway). Definitely lacking ambassadorship in some sense.
(Jetoni, US, 15 November 2009 18:35)
I stuck to my idea. These statements are well part of ambassadorship. They reflect what is the interest of USA as country. Take them as such.
"FRY Forces" includes all of the FRY and Republic of Serbia personnel and organisations with a military capability. This includes regular army and naval forces, armed civilian groups, associated paramilitary groups, air forces, national guards, border police, army reserves, military police, intelligence services, federal and Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs local, special, riot and anti-terrorist police, and any other groups or individuals so designated by the international security force ("KFOR") commander
Lie detected: "Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground"
It doesn't apply to the police.
(PJD, 15 November 2009 16:40)
Just goes to show no matter how detailed you try to make some do not comprehend.
Probably the strongest statement by a US representativie since Obama took helm, I am glad for the clarification. US support is not going away.
"...it is incorrect to say that "Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova".
According the Ahtisaari Plan Serbs in Kosova will enjoy exceptional rights which comes under the decentralisation process. The same rights Serbia as a democratic european country should give to the Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Saying that there should be no decentralisation unless Serbs co-operate with central government in Pristina. As for K Serbs to maintain close, if not official, ties with the rest of Serbia I have no problem with that whatsover providing Serbia recognises Kosova's independence. The priciple of RECIPROCITY should be applied between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to minority rights. If we continue arguing what is a minority and how do we define we will enter to a vitious circle.
Kosova has excellent relationship with Albania and great relationship with Macedonia and Montenegro. It is all about European integration of Balkans at the end.
Why making things more complicated in Balkans? Let's be REALISTIC for the sake of peace and stability in the region.
It is just crazy to think the unthinkable a return of Kosova to Serbia.
As I said, I see Kosova,s government approach to the north of Mitrovica as a gentle one and that is not because of lack of power or human resources.
I do share your sentiments on Veton Surroi – that will be the day where I will celebrate like an idiot when he enters politics in full force and actually gets to steer Kosova/o. Things will certainly look more hopeful than what the jokers (Thaçi-Sejdiu) are currently (not) doing.
As for the institutions of both Kosova/o and Belgrade, I agree with you – as the local affairs are left to each side and no interference is done, I see no issue with pragmatic voices overcoming their respective challenges and for the most part, things will be good. However, what I am scared of, is reality and how it will actually unfold (even though, looking at the parameters, I don't see any potential that things will escalate and become genuinely problematic).
The point that I missed to elaborate on was the “swallow”ing of Kosova/o by Serbia. What I meant to say is that if US/EU were gone, Serbs would exercise their authority by bringing in their military to man the border posts (to name one thing), repeal (maybe even forcefully) any laws currently present (Kosova/o's constitution goes bye bye), etc. Now, it doesn't take a lot to see that this is a perfect recipe for a renewed disaster. You might point out that it's exactly the same issue that the K. Serbs find themselves in, and you'd be right to some extent. However, the key and very important difference is that under Kosovar rule, there is a babysitter (US/EU) to make sure that K. Serbs are getting what they're guaranteed (and you know they have the leverage to do that). Furthermore, the laws and political atmosphere within Kosova/o is much more tolerant of the Serbs, than it is afforded to K. Albanians from the Serb gov't (I am sure you know that for the Serb constitution, K. Albanians were effectively barred from voting on, among others. Look here (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=45614) what Matthew and I were discussing about two years ago, to get a sense of where I am coming from, since a lot of that is still very much applicable).
“But whatever we (dis)agree on, I think a more realistic assessment of Kosovo’s current situation/status would make all sides a little more responsible in their actions ”
- No disagreement there. Not sure if you watched Jeta Xharra's interview with Dacic (if you haven't, I recommend it. YouTube has it online that you can watch - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF5eyUEBlYE) – then go through parts from there), but you can see some disheartening messages that Serb gov't is sending. I saw no practical answers to pragmatical questions she posed – as a matter of fact, everything revolved around politics of Kosova/o's declaration of independence and Serbia's territorial integrity. This doesn't tell me he's interested in the well being of people (especially K. Albanians) and any progress of their lives, but rather that a Serb flag is up in Prishtina. Again, I highly recommend you see the interview of Jeta Xharra and Dacic for yourself.
“I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important. ”
- Hehe, I will have to agree with you on that. A case of the “Opps, I didn't realize I just said that out loud” if you will (if it were me anyway). Definitely lacking ambassadorship in some sense.
Interesting thought on Dell's fear of Vetëvendosje. It wouldn't be the first time the United States aims to stifle real democratic momentum in favor of faux democratic puppets in some far-flung land of the world. Best to keep the people under our thumb than actually let them vote for their own destiny. I also wouldn't be surprised in the upcoming clash between Thaci and Haradinaj to see who will be the bigger US lapdog in order to win the prize.
EA,
You're right, we can go back and forth over what Kosovo is all day, so let's skip that. However, it is incorrect to say that "Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova". According to the Ahtisaari Plan, Annexes 3 and 5 provide sweeping measures for K Serbs to maintain close, if not official, ties with the rest of Serbia. We can debate whether this hinges on Serbia actually recognizing Kosovo, but I can't believe someone like Ahtisaari would actually believe that. So I feel these clauses were written in as failsafes for when the Serb municipalities go off Pristina's grid and reattach themselves to Belgrade's. Looking at the proposal again, it's also interesting to note the three new Serbian municipalities Feith has established are all mentioned in the AP as specific Serbian zones. What you argue hinges on the notion that the K Serbs realize their place is within an independent Kosovo. That has never been apparent, especially with the current leadership in Pristina being who they are. Pristina's efforts at bringing the Serbs on board have been, for the most part, highly disingenuous. If they were really serious about this, Thaci and Co. would have crossed the Ibar and spoken - in Serbian - directly to the people of KM about how their future and their quality of life lies with Kosovo's separate institutions. Making indirect statements from their bubble in Pristina does nothing. It’s about as effective as Jeremic referring to K Albanians as Serbian citizens from the safety of Belgrade. As it stands, Pristina has all but written the Serb minority off as an unwanted minority they must nevertheless acknowledge lives among them - sort of what like Serbia unwittingly did throughout the 1990s.
Pjd don't even bother reacting. It doesnt apply to either police or army. We're there on the very line ever since albanians started shooting at Un and Kfor in 2001 and they know it very well. not only that but albanians say we're all over our province as well only disguised as shrubbery and whathave you, i say, ok, if they insist.
"Kosovo Serbs on the other hand are not pressured in any way to work with Pristina. That in itself severely questions the issue of sovereignty Kosovo supposedly.."
Mike,
It is very important to understand the meaning of the word "pressure" and in what context it is used.
The central government in Pristina at present is trying gently to bring the Kosova Serbs on board. That means that it is in their interest to co-operate for a better future for everyone living in Kosova. After the break up of Yugoslavia the administrative borders were defined as international recognised borders for the newly created countries. I know what you are going to argue "Kosovo is not a country". We can argue all day and night in here but the FACT is that Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova. I hope you know that. It is true that Albanians in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja have joined Serbian institutions because they are quite ahead when it comes to the new realities in former Yugoslavia. That doesn't mean that they are not watching the events in Kosova especially northern Mitrovica.
I agree with most what Jetoni and Mike wrote. Regarding Dell: it could be a bit more than just language neither Mike nor Jetoni does like. I agree with both that at first it sounds not very diplomatic to say the least and does not have much to do with the reality. But I have a second thought: today are elections. Perhaps, Mr. Dell would like to see certain outcome better than other. And perhaps the not-so-hidden intent is to influence the elections (not-so)-indirectly.
To Joe:
the occasion Mr. Dell spoke are today's elections. What he told was IMO to set the mood. Obviously, he likes "Vetëvendosje!" (much) less and fears them (much) more, than VS (Serbian Army).
And because of this we should like "Vetëvendosje!" and Mr. Albin Kurti more than we like the Drenica group with their Quetzalcoatls sunken into blood, corruption and drugs.
But of course, Quetzalcoatl for D. of State is an easier partner to deal with than Mr. Albin Kurti. Or even Veton Surroi.
-- Really? Who is this dude? I've never heard of him. What are his credentials that make you demand loyalty? But sure, have him whip up something ridiculous to say twice, even three times, a month. More laughs I say.
(Mike, 15 November 2009 06:29)
Mike,
That "dude" is the person our Dept. of State did appoint in Pristina as ambassador. He spoke what the interest of the country (USA) essentially is: to make Albanians feel warm and nice, vote for Drenica group, preserve the current status quo and do not even remotely think about guys like Albin Kurti. Because IMO, it's not Gracanica, KM, VS, Tadic and Kostunica are the ones who are deadly dangerous for USA interests in Kosov@ but Albin Kurti. Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't see how Albin can come in terms with any idea of NATO protectorate.
So mr Ambassador - You recognize, that US attacked independent european country and create with Your country help illegal pseudocountry on the territory of independent european state??
Mr Dell, like many US citizens, displays a completely naive view of the world. It would be quite charming were it not so dangerous! We all know the awesome might of the US military and they with NATO are the only ones capable of doing anything in the North. I am certain of two things were they to really try to do, other than have the French parade around in their prettily tailored camouflage uniforms, to impose the will of Pristina: - 1) Undertake a huge troop deployment and risk the Serbs mounting a guerrilla war against them and 2) except that the Serbs will never forget and will get their revenge in one way or another. Frankly I think Mr Dell needs to go back to the Dell factory in the Republic of Ireland (it not so far to travel as the US) and have his operating chip serviced.
"Big event again. When ambassador Dell speaks people listen. He should do it at least twice per month. (Joe)"
-- Really? Who is this dude? I've never heard of him. What are his credentials that make you demand loyalty? But sure, have him whip up something ridiculous to say twice, even three times, a month. More laughs I say.
I really enjoy reading your texts, if you had written more often it would be great. Though I know though that this is time consuming.
Mike
I also like reading your posts. In fact it is you and Mathew and the only Serbian posts that I read propely.
Although you put your phrases well together but it is very true that you lack knowledge and detail in the Kosovo Serbia mater.
You very often draw poor conclusions and wrong analogies that I wonder whether you ever read anything before the 90s about Kosovo Serbia affair.
It is laughable to compare parallel institutions organised by Kosovars headed by Rugova when Milosevic was in power with those K Serb institutions now. And your famous and euphoric North Serb Mitrovica assembly is dead. Albanian did not destroy that assembly it diead itself.
Serbs in Kosova are being given choices. Genuine choices, if only they were to take it what it.
the government in Belgrade, when Obama becomes president of the USA, said that they are "feeling change in the air" and even in the US-policy in front of Kosovo. Ambassador Dell is named by Obama as Ambassador, why is he saying that- Tadic said to us that Obama will bring change for Serbia and Kosovo.
The Americans should first build a democracy in their own backyard before preaching to others. The American hegemony ie. economic, political and military empire is fading daily and the voice is growing more silent as everyday passes.
Yes maybe USA still supports Kosova but Cyprus doesn't so I guess we Albanians will have to give independence up, it was nice though.
(Bekim, 14 November 2009 22:36
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Bekimoviq you're allways wrong.
After reading/listening to your "high diplomacy" statements/wisdom, any person with even borderline IQ would get discouraged of buying even that little Dell computer! Spare us, please.
"Are you saying that Albanians in Presevo are very happy to live in Serbia? I thought you are a bit smarter to think like that. (EA)"
-- The question of whether or not Presevo Albanians are necessarily "happy" living in Serbia is a separate issue from the sovereignty they are under. In other words, Belgrade has internationally recognized rights to the region, whereas Pristina does not for the Serb municipalities in question.
I have nothing against reciprocity. But at the end of the day, Presevo Albanians realize they can only work with Belgrade. Kosovo Serbs on the other hand are not pressured in any way to work with Pristina. That in itself severely questions the issue of sovereignty Kosovo supposedly has.
"Even the Presevo Albanians, pressured as they are by radical elements from Pristina, send elected officials to Belgrade and work with Belgrade institutions - something I can't say happens with Serb institutions in Kosovska Mitrovica, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, and Gracanica."
Mike,
Are you saying that Albanians in Presevo are very happy to live in Serbia? I thought you are a bit smarter to think like that.
Remember one thing. Same rights for Kosova's Serbs to Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja and other way around. In other words RECIPROCITY in treatment for both ethnic groups. Job done!))
I thought that we have got rid of NATO and Albania, Oh no, Serbia you must fear the great Albanians in Kosovo. With what will Kosova control the North with, oh!
As you people seem to NATO this and NATO that why does not your beloved NATO take control over the North completely. Here is some news for you as well I think Serbian troops are a tad closer than 25kms, but I won’t argue about that.
I’m so sorry to tell you this, but the US is only blowing smoke up your proverbial, or telling you want you want to hear. Their main purpose is Camp Bondsteel and nothing else. Ask yourself the question how many infrastructure projects, construction of factories etc did the ambassador announce?
“He said that the U.S. will not withdraw its recognition of Kosovo even if the ICJ determines that the unilateral proclamation went against international law.”
I have been told that this is not right. The US relies on the international court just any country even though a decision is non binding, simply what authority is there to enforce it. If the ICJ rules in favour of Serbia then the US will have to bargain, that if it does not go broke in the meantime and then no bargaining and no more Albanians in Kosovo.
If the US will simply ignore the ICJ, then why did it and NATO allies defend themselves in the same arena when Serbia brought legal action against them?????? There is more to it than they are telling you. Your muslim brothers are much smarter than you guys because they know how treacherous the Yanks can be!
Haha. Mr Dell, may I remind you that a unilateral independence declaration is illegal according to international law (Helsinki agreement)? Backing it makes you a criminal, on pair with those in Pristina. The future world powers supports Serbia on this matter. That is because Serbia has both the legal and moral upper hand. Time can not straighten out what was born crooked.
“Dell needs to stop going around like circus clown and just spewing undiplomatic garbage - it has gotten a bit annoying as of late. (Jetoni)”
Which is essentially the reason why I wrote a comment in the first place. I mean if he were to say something like “we’re happy with the way things are going in Kosovo lately. True we’d like the Serbs to participate more, and we haven't achieved all that we originally hoped to achieve but we can’t have everything in the first year and a half” or something like that, I’d be inclined to either ignore or – are you ready? – understand his comment. But as you say yourself, it’s such hyperbole as to make it ridiculous. I mean it’s no secret the US is going to support Kosovo in whatever capacity it ends up as. Ok, fine. I think we all understand that. But at the same time, let’s be a little more realistic. Yes, it takes time for political institutions to develop, for trust in local government to mature, and for responsible leaders to come to the fore (I can always hope one day Veton Surroi will break out of the 5% mold, but I’m not holding my breath). But let’s say that, all things aside, that does happen in Kosovo in the next decade. Great! Seriously. I can’t understand the logic of trying to keep Kosovo an economic backwater while still laying claim to it. But we also can’t discount that in the time Albanian institutions mature and consolidate, the same may very well happen for Serbian institutions too. In other words, I think it’s a fair prediction to make that Kosovo may stabilize, but we may very well see two political centers: one Serb and one Albanian. And let’s be honest. As long as each side stays out of the affairs of the other, no one in Brussels or Washington is going to care. Does anyone really think the Serbs elected to local offices tomorrow in Kosovo are suddenly going to present their credentials to Thaci? I’ve noticed it’s been relatively quiet in Belgrade concerning these elections. I would have thought at least Koštunica would have come out condemning illegal elections being held on Serbian territory. The only thing we’ve heard is muted pressure for Serbs not to vote. But, there’s certainly no protest over the forming of three new municipalities. If anything, even to a K-Albanian, it removes the Serbian element from their own political affairs.
Which brings me to wonder whether you really believe Serbia would “swallow” up Kosovo if the US looked the other way. I may be in the minority here, but I really don’t think that’s going to happen. I may be the consummate optimist, but I really think all Belgrade cares about is having some authority over the 6 Serbian municipalities, access to cultural landmarks deep in Albanian territory, and a tacit agreement with EULEX that Kosovo’s status remains ambiguous enough for everyone to make some claim to the region without having the responsibility to do anything. I mean what are they really going to do if they’re given the keys to Pristina? Belgrade can no more storm the gates of Pristina than Pristina can take KM or Gracanica.
But whatever we (dis)agree on, I think a more realistic assessment of Kosovo’s current situation/status would make all sides a little more responsible in their actions. Dell’s overly optimistic statements are discounted in less than 5 seconds (or in Pristina’s proximity to Gracanica, 5 km) and again does nothing other than stoke Thaci’s ego. I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important.
3. 130 countries on this planet disagree with you.
(Johnny, 14 November 2009 20:24)
Johnny,
1. It is his business since he is the US Ambassador to Kosova.
2. 130 countries have not decided yet whereas 63 countries (and counting) have decided to recognize Kosova's independence.
It is quite different to not recognize that to be still deliberating as is the case for the remaining 129 countries. This is evidenced by New Zealand's recent recognition of Kosova. Expect more recognitions after tomorrow's elections. Kosova's Serb population will help by voting tomorrow.
Isn't this the same people who are saying that they are winning in Afganistan and Irak? Well, they are as successful over there as they are in Kosovo. It is all about patience! Serbs waited 500 years for the turks to leave. This will be like a walk in the park in comparison. Time is on the side of international law.
I think you're a bit hazy as to what he's saying. “can function independently” doesn't mean “it is functioning independently”. Potential vs. what is are two different things. However, can Kosova/o function on its own? That's a complicated question, mainly depending on what the definition of “functioning” is. Is Kosova/o running smoothly as a Western European country? Hell no! Will it? I don't know, since I don't have a crystal ball that predicts the future. However, if we take into account the current state of events, coupled with K. Albanians having (albeit not fully) been in the driver's seat for less than two years, would one really expect miracles? There are other countries that have been around for decades, and their state of affairs is far worse than that of Kosova/o. Calling something a failure from its launch with no concrete proof/data is a bit … premature. Have some faith man :-).
“Which basically means we come out and officially proclaim it the colony everyone knows it is”. Eh, I am not sure I would go that far. Colony somehow implies occupation counter the wishes of most (entire?) population, not something K. Albanians feel. Of course, all reasonable people are aware that countries have their interests in mind first and foremost, thus the US is in Kosova/o out of their interest, not for some inexplicable love towards K. Albanians (and equally, Russians with the Serbs). In my opinion, it is more of a survival strategy that K. Albanians align themselves and say “amen” to pretty much everything that US/EU say – otherwise, Kosova/o would be swallowed by Serbia if US/EU were to leave. Therefore, there is a noticeable difference in the grand scheme of things. Is it ideal? Of course not. But given the choices, one must choose from the lesser evils so to speak, thus the state Kosova/o is in, isn't by some voodoo magic. Supervised independence – or, almost independent, maybe – is what I would call Kosova/o as.
One thing though - Dell needs to stop going around like circus clown and just spewing undiplomatic garbage - it has gotten a bit annoying as of late.
Kosovo isn't an independent country, it's nothing more than a NATO colony. And no amount of diplomatic terrorism by the Clintonista State Department can successfully hide the obvious: Kosovo is Serbia.
This American is honestly ashamed of our role in the Balkans and apologizes for the hell we have created and have had the nerve to call, "heaven".
If it's any consolation, we are currently getting our punishment as those same politicians who did so much damage to you, turn on us.
Here is a translation for those who that can't read "American".
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U.S. ambassador to Priština Christopher Dell said that Kosovo is as independent of a country as Serbia is, because it can function independently.
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Our prison camp call Kosova is functioning very well.
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Dell also said that the international community will have to stay in Kosovo for at least another ten years.
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Our occupation will ensure a peaceful settlement cannot be achieved for at least 10 years and our prisoners will not have access to the EU for at least that period.
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"Kosovo is as sovereign and independent as much as Serbia is,” he told Voice of America.
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Even though Kosovo cannot be independent when under an occupation and supervision, we must continue to repeat this so no mass prison break occurs.
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“Serbia does not even have control all of its entire territory, because we should remember the Kumanovo Agreement, which decrees that Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground, and 25 kilometers from the Kosovo border in the air,” Dell said.
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We allow our prisoners to steal firewood from out of the province.
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He said that it cannot be said that Kosovo does not have sovereignty over its entire territory “because in the north of Kosovo, they are trying to maintain the situation the way it is, to stop Priština from controlling that part, like Serbia in 2000-2001, when it did not have sovereignty or control over the Preševo Valley part of its territory.”
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Belgrade controls the North of Kosovo and therefore we do not have sovereignty.
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Dell said that there is no deadline determining when the international community must exit Kosovo.
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We intend to keep Camp Bondsteel for a while to come.
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“We will need a lot of time to restore everything that was destroyed during the time of misfortune which Kosovo went through in the past,” he said.
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Those NATO bombs are awesome man. See how much damage a few can achieve?
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The American ambassador said that the elections are very important for the Serb community in order to “take over that much desired and needed control of its everyday life and administer over all resources which will enable them to make life easier for the community.”
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We want the Serbians to lick our boots but they continue to refuse while our ethnic Albanian servants are getting sore tongues.
==
“In the last ten years, Serbs have always been told: wait, be patient, we will take care of you. To be honest, I do not see much progress and I think that Serbs have realized that nothing will come of these promises. Belgrade has been promising them for years that it will take care of them, but nothing has changed,” Dell said.
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We are making life for Serbians as miserable as possible until they become boot lickers like our servants.
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He said that the U.S. will not pull its recognition of Kosovo even if the international court determines that the proclamation went against international law.
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We broke the law once, we broke it again and again and again and continue to get away with it. International law? It doesn't apply to us.
==
He said that the proclamation is in accordance with the law, adding that the U.S. will state why it believes that the decision was in accordance with international law, and said that he believes that “the international court will take all the documented facts into consideration” before giving its opinion on the issue.
==
We make up our own laws and apply pressure on others to obey us. We can do this for as long as others accept our debt.
“Serbia does not even have control all of its entire territory, because we should remember the Kumanovo Agreement, which decrees that Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground, and 25 kilometers from the Kosovo border in the air,”
OUCH, OUCH, OUCH!!! Reality hits for Serbia, everyone knows but hate to be reminded that NATO limits Serbian troop movements as far as 25km away from Kosova.
Another point: Kosova can control the North in 5 hours, Serbia would need to declare war to 27 NATO members and all their neighbors to do so.
Kumanovo Agreement is in place until ALL Nato members agree to remove it, including Albania
What a brazen hypocrite. I've never heard comments riddled with so many inconsistencies. Can he really believe such statements. If Kosovo is as independent as he says, then why does it require the presence of the international community for an indefinite period! Foreign troops, foreign bases, foreign cash to keep the whole mess afloat, and the usual rubbish about legitimacy under international law. Breathtaking. Do the Yanks really swallow what they keep spouting. Might is right.
Oh dear God, are we still on this "functioning state" nonsense?
So this Washington flunky says Kosovo can "function independently", but in the next sentence says that "the international community will have to stay in Kosovo for at least another ten years", which negates the argument that Kosovo can function on its own.
Furthermore, the flimsy attempt at explaining the painfully obvious - that 3, and after tomorrow 6, municipalities will be off of Pristina's grid - is coterminous with the Kumanovo Agreement stating VS can't come within 5 km of Kosovo's borders is ridiculous. The people that live in that area all acknowledge Belgrade's authority and there are no international troops keeping the peace. Even the Presevo Albanians, pressured as they are by radical elements from Pristina, send elected officials to Belgrade and work with Belgrade institutions - something I can't say happens with Serb institutions in Kosovska Mitrovica, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, and Gracanica. Where does my country get these people, and is there a required lobotomy one must undergo in order to work for the State Department?
"He said that the U.S. will not pull its recognition of Kosovo even if the international court determines that the proclamation went against international law."
-- Which basically means we come out and officially proclaim it the colony everyone knows it is. Kind of negates the whole purpose of being a "functioning state", don't you think? Personally I think such a statement jumps the gun. Shouldn’t this salesman pitch a more positive image of the product he’s trying to sell? In fact, I haven’t heard any US official state they expect a “positive” report from the ICJ. Don’t leave Sej hanging, man! Though if we just want to turn Kosovo in our own little Abkhazia, I wouldn’t be surprised. Paranoid Great Powers always love it when simple folk wave their flags and give the illusion they love their politics.
“Serbia does not even have control all of its entire territory, because we should remember the Kumanovo Agreement, which decrees that Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground, and 25 kilometers from the Kosovo border in the air,”
OUCH, OUCH, OUCH!!! Reality hits for Serbia, everyone knows but hate to be reminded that NATO limits Serbian troop movements as far as 25km away from Kosova.
Another point: Kosova can control the North in 5 hours, Serbia would need to declare war to 27 NATO members and all their neighbors to do so.
Kumanovo Agreement is in place until ALL Nato members agree to remove it, including Albania
Here is a translation for those who that can't read "American".
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U.S. ambassador to Priština Christopher Dell said that Kosovo is as independent of a country as Serbia is, because it can function independently.
==
Our prison camp call Kosova is functioning very well.
==
Dell also said that the international community will have to stay in Kosovo for at least another ten years.
==
Our occupation will ensure a peaceful settlement cannot be achieved for at least 10 years and our prisoners will not have access to the EU for at least that period.
==
"Kosovo is as sovereign and independent as much as Serbia is,” he told Voice of America.
==
Even though Kosovo cannot be independent when under an occupation and supervision, we must continue to repeat this so no mass prison break occurs.
==
“Serbia does not even have control all of its entire territory, because we should remember the Kumanovo Agreement, which decrees that Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground, and 25 kilometers from the Kosovo border in the air,” Dell said.
==
We allow our prisoners to steal firewood from out of the province.
==
He said that it cannot be said that Kosovo does not have sovereignty over its entire territory “because in the north of Kosovo, they are trying to maintain the situation the way it is, to stop Priština from controlling that part, like Serbia in 2000-2001, when it did not have sovereignty or control over the Preševo Valley part of its territory.”
==
Belgrade controls the North of Kosovo and therefore we do not have sovereignty.
==
Dell said that there is no deadline determining when the international community must exit Kosovo.
==
We intend to keep Camp Bondsteel for a while to come.
==
“We will need a lot of time to restore everything that was destroyed during the time of misfortune which Kosovo went through in the past,” he said.
==
Those NATO bombs are awesome man. See how much damage a few can achieve?
==
The American ambassador said that the elections are very important for the Serb community in order to “take over that much desired and needed control of its everyday life and administer over all resources which will enable them to make life easier for the community.”
==
We want the Serbians to lick our boots but they continue to refuse while our ethnic Albanian servants are getting sore tongues.
==
“In the last ten years, Serbs have always been told: wait, be patient, we will take care of you. To be honest, I do not see much progress and I think that Serbs have realized that nothing will come of these promises. Belgrade has been promising them for years that it will take care of them, but nothing has changed,” Dell said.
==
We are making life for Serbians as miserable as possible until they become boot lickers like our servants.
==
He said that the U.S. will not pull its recognition of Kosovo even if the international court determines that the proclamation went against international law.
==
We broke the law once, we broke it again and again and again and continue to get away with it. International law? It doesn't apply to us.
==
He said that the proclamation is in accordance with the law, adding that the U.S. will state why it believes that the decision was in accordance with international law, and said that he believes that “the international court will take all the documented facts into consideration” before giving its opinion on the issue.
==
We make up our own laws and apply pressure on others to obey us. We can do this for as long as others accept our debt.
Oh dear God, are we still on this "functioning state" nonsense?
So this Washington flunky says Kosovo can "function independently", but in the next sentence says that "the international community will have to stay in Kosovo for at least another ten years", which negates the argument that Kosovo can function on its own.
Furthermore, the flimsy attempt at explaining the painfully obvious - that 3, and after tomorrow 6, municipalities will be off of Pristina's grid - is coterminous with the Kumanovo Agreement stating VS can't come within 5 km of Kosovo's borders is ridiculous. The people that live in that area all acknowledge Belgrade's authority and there are no international troops keeping the peace. Even the Presevo Albanians, pressured as they are by radical elements from Pristina, send elected officials to Belgrade and work with Belgrade institutions - something I can't say happens with Serb institutions in Kosovska Mitrovica, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, and Gracanica. Where does my country get these people, and is there a required lobotomy one must undergo in order to work for the State Department?
"He said that the U.S. will not pull its recognition of Kosovo even if the international court determines that the proclamation went against international law."
-- Which basically means we come out and officially proclaim it the colony everyone knows it is. Kind of negates the whole purpose of being a "functioning state", don't you think? Personally I think such a statement jumps the gun. Shouldn’t this salesman pitch a more positive image of the product he’s trying to sell? In fact, I haven’t heard any US official state they expect a “positive” report from the ICJ. Don’t leave Sej hanging, man! Though if we just want to turn Kosovo in our own little Abkhazia, I wouldn’t be surprised. Paranoid Great Powers always love it when simple folk wave their flags and give the illusion they love their politics.
What a brazen hypocrite. I've never heard comments riddled with so many inconsistencies. Can he really believe such statements. If Kosovo is as independent as he says, then why does it require the presence of the international community for an indefinite period! Foreign troops, foreign bases, foreign cash to keep the whole mess afloat, and the usual rubbish about legitimacy under international law. Breathtaking. Do the Yanks really swallow what they keep spouting. Might is right.
Kosovo isn't an independent country, it's nothing more than a NATO colony. And no amount of diplomatic terrorism by the Clintonista State Department can successfully hide the obvious: Kosovo is Serbia.
This American is honestly ashamed of our role in the Balkans and apologizes for the hell we have created and have had the nerve to call, "heaven".
If it's any consolation, we are currently getting our punishment as those same politicians who did so much damage to you, turn on us.
Isn't this the same people who are saying that they are winning in Afganistan and Irak? Well, they are as successful over there as they are in Kosovo. It is all about patience! Serbs waited 500 years for the turks to leave. This will be like a walk in the park in comparison. Time is on the side of international law.
Haha. Mr Dell, may I remind you that a unilateral independence declaration is illegal according to international law (Helsinki agreement)? Backing it makes you a criminal, on pair with those in Pristina. The future world powers supports Serbia on this matter. That is because Serbia has both the legal and moral upper hand. Time can not straighten out what was born crooked.
I think you're a bit hazy as to what he's saying. “can function independently” doesn't mean “it is functioning independently”. Potential vs. what is are two different things. However, can Kosova/o function on its own? That's a complicated question, mainly depending on what the definition of “functioning” is. Is Kosova/o running smoothly as a Western European country? Hell no! Will it? I don't know, since I don't have a crystal ball that predicts the future. However, if we take into account the current state of events, coupled with K. Albanians having (albeit not fully) been in the driver's seat for less than two years, would one really expect miracles? There are other countries that have been around for decades, and their state of affairs is far worse than that of Kosova/o. Calling something a failure from its launch with no concrete proof/data is a bit … premature. Have some faith man :-).
“Which basically means we come out and officially proclaim it the colony everyone knows it is”. Eh, I am not sure I would go that far. Colony somehow implies occupation counter the wishes of most (entire?) population, not something K. Albanians feel. Of course, all reasonable people are aware that countries have their interests in mind first and foremost, thus the US is in Kosova/o out of their interest, not for some inexplicable love towards K. Albanians (and equally, Russians with the Serbs). In my opinion, it is more of a survival strategy that K. Albanians align themselves and say “amen” to pretty much everything that US/EU say – otherwise, Kosova/o would be swallowed by Serbia if US/EU were to leave. Therefore, there is a noticeable difference in the grand scheme of things. Is it ideal? Of course not. But given the choices, one must choose from the lesser evils so to speak, thus the state Kosova/o is in, isn't by some voodoo magic. Supervised independence – or, almost independent, maybe – is what I would call Kosova/o as.
One thing though - Dell needs to stop going around like circus clown and just spewing undiplomatic garbage - it has gotten a bit annoying as of late.
"Are you saying that Albanians in Presevo are very happy to live in Serbia? I thought you are a bit smarter to think like that. (EA)"
-- The question of whether or not Presevo Albanians are necessarily "happy" living in Serbia is a separate issue from the sovereignty they are under. In other words, Belgrade has internationally recognized rights to the region, whereas Pristina does not for the Serb municipalities in question.
I have nothing against reciprocity. But at the end of the day, Presevo Albanians realize they can only work with Belgrade. Kosovo Serbs on the other hand are not pressured in any way to work with Pristina. That in itself severely questions the issue of sovereignty Kosovo supposedly has.
After reading/listening to your "high diplomacy" statements/wisdom, any person with even borderline IQ would get discouraged of buying even that little Dell computer! Spare us, please.
I thought that we have got rid of NATO and Albania, Oh no, Serbia you must fear the great Albanians in Kosovo. With what will Kosova control the North with, oh!
As you people seem to NATO this and NATO that why does not your beloved NATO take control over the North completely. Here is some news for you as well I think Serbian troops are a tad closer than 25kms, but I won’t argue about that.
I’m so sorry to tell you this, but the US is only blowing smoke up your proverbial, or telling you want you want to hear. Their main purpose is Camp Bondsteel and nothing else. Ask yourself the question how many infrastructure projects, construction of factories etc did the ambassador announce?
“He said that the U.S. will not withdraw its recognition of Kosovo even if the ICJ determines that the unilateral proclamation went against international law.”
I have been told that this is not right. The US relies on the international court just any country even though a decision is non binding, simply what authority is there to enforce it. If the ICJ rules in favour of Serbia then the US will have to bargain, that if it does not go broke in the meantime and then no bargaining and no more Albanians in Kosovo.
If the US will simply ignore the ICJ, then why did it and NATO allies defend themselves in the same arena when Serbia brought legal action against them?????? There is more to it than they are telling you. Your muslim brothers are much smarter than you guys because they know how treacherous the Yanks can be!
"Big event again. When ambassador Dell speaks people listen. He should do it at least twice per month. (Joe)"
-- Really? Who is this dude? I've never heard of him. What are his credentials that make you demand loyalty? But sure, have him whip up something ridiculous to say twice, even three times, a month. More laughs I say.
3. 130 countries on this planet disagree with you.
(Johnny, 14 November 2009 20:24)
Johnny,
1. It is his business since he is the US Ambassador to Kosova.
2. 130 countries have not decided yet whereas 63 countries (and counting) have decided to recognize Kosova's independence.
It is quite different to not recognize that to be still deliberating as is the case for the remaining 129 countries. This is evidenced by New Zealand's recent recognition of Kosova. Expect more recognitions after tomorrow's elections. Kosova's Serb population will help by voting tomorrow.
“Dell needs to stop going around like circus clown and just spewing undiplomatic garbage - it has gotten a bit annoying as of late. (Jetoni)”
Which is essentially the reason why I wrote a comment in the first place. I mean if he were to say something like “we’re happy with the way things are going in Kosovo lately. True we’d like the Serbs to participate more, and we haven't achieved all that we originally hoped to achieve but we can’t have everything in the first year and a half” or something like that, I’d be inclined to either ignore or – are you ready? – understand his comment. But as you say yourself, it’s such hyperbole as to make it ridiculous. I mean it’s no secret the US is going to support Kosovo in whatever capacity it ends up as. Ok, fine. I think we all understand that. But at the same time, let’s be a little more realistic. Yes, it takes time for political institutions to develop, for trust in local government to mature, and for responsible leaders to come to the fore (I can always hope one day Veton Surroi will break out of the 5% mold, but I’m not holding my breath). But let’s say that, all things aside, that does happen in Kosovo in the next decade. Great! Seriously. I can’t understand the logic of trying to keep Kosovo an economic backwater while still laying claim to it. But we also can’t discount that in the time Albanian institutions mature and consolidate, the same may very well happen for Serbian institutions too. In other words, I think it’s a fair prediction to make that Kosovo may stabilize, but we may very well see two political centers: one Serb and one Albanian. And let’s be honest. As long as each side stays out of the affairs of the other, no one in Brussels or Washington is going to care. Does anyone really think the Serbs elected to local offices tomorrow in Kosovo are suddenly going to present their credentials to Thaci? I’ve noticed it’s been relatively quiet in Belgrade concerning these elections. I would have thought at least Koštunica would have come out condemning illegal elections being held on Serbian territory. The only thing we’ve heard is muted pressure for Serbs not to vote. But, there’s certainly no protest over the forming of three new municipalities. If anything, even to a K-Albanian, it removes the Serbian element from their own political affairs.
Which brings me to wonder whether you really believe Serbia would “swallow” up Kosovo if the US looked the other way. I may be in the minority here, but I really don’t think that’s going to happen. I may be the consummate optimist, but I really think all Belgrade cares about is having some authority over the 6 Serbian municipalities, access to cultural landmarks deep in Albanian territory, and a tacit agreement with EULEX that Kosovo’s status remains ambiguous enough for everyone to make some claim to the region without having the responsibility to do anything. I mean what are they really going to do if they’re given the keys to Pristina? Belgrade can no more storm the gates of Pristina than Pristina can take KM or Gracanica.
But whatever we (dis)agree on, I think a more realistic assessment of Kosovo’s current situation/status would make all sides a little more responsible in their actions. Dell’s overly optimistic statements are discounted in less than 5 seconds (or in Pristina’s proximity to Gracanica, 5 km) and again does nothing other than stoke Thaci’s ego. I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important.
I really enjoy reading your texts, if you had written more often it would be great. Though I know though that this is time consuming.
Mike
I also like reading your posts. In fact it is you and Mathew and the only Serbian posts that I read propely.
Although you put your phrases well together but it is very true that you lack knowledge and detail in the Kosovo Serbia mater.
You very often draw poor conclusions and wrong analogies that I wonder whether you ever read anything before the 90s about Kosovo Serbia affair.
It is laughable to compare parallel institutions organised by Kosovars headed by Rugova when Milosevic was in power with those K Serb institutions now. And your famous and euphoric North Serb Mitrovica assembly is dead. Albanian did not destroy that assembly it diead itself.
Serbs in Kosova are being given choices. Genuine choices, if only they were to take it what it.
So mr Ambassador - You recognize, that US attacked independent european country and create with Your country help illegal pseudocountry on the territory of independent european state??
Mr Dell, like many US citizens, displays a completely naive view of the world. It would be quite charming were it not so dangerous! We all know the awesome might of the US military and they with NATO are the only ones capable of doing anything in the North. I am certain of two things were they to really try to do, other than have the French parade around in their prettily tailored camouflage uniforms, to impose the will of Pristina: - 1) Undertake a huge troop deployment and risk the Serbs mounting a guerrilla war against them and 2) except that the Serbs will never forget and will get their revenge in one way or another. Frankly I think Mr Dell needs to go back to the Dell factory in the Republic of Ireland (it not so far to travel as the US) and have his operating chip serviced.
-- Really? Who is this dude? I've never heard of him. What are his credentials that make you demand loyalty? But sure, have him whip up something ridiculous to say twice, even three times, a month. More laughs I say.
(Mike, 15 November 2009 06:29)
Mike,
That "dude" is the person our Dept. of State did appoint in Pristina as ambassador. He spoke what the interest of the country (USA) essentially is: to make Albanians feel warm and nice, vote for Drenica group, preserve the current status quo and do not even remotely think about guys like Albin Kurti. Because IMO, it's not Gracanica, KM, VS, Tadic and Kostunica are the ones who are deadly dangerous for USA interests in Kosov@ but Albin Kurti. Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't see how Albin can come in terms with any idea of NATO protectorate.
"Even the Presevo Albanians, pressured as they are by radical elements from Pristina, send elected officials to Belgrade and work with Belgrade institutions - something I can't say happens with Serb institutions in Kosovska Mitrovica, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, and Gracanica."
Mike,
Are you saying that Albanians in Presevo are very happy to live in Serbia? I thought you are a bit smarter to think like that.
Remember one thing. Same rights for Kosova's Serbs to Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja and other way around. In other words RECIPROCITY in treatment for both ethnic groups. Job done!))
The Americans should first build a democracy in their own backyard before preaching to others. The American hegemony ie. economic, political and military empire is fading daily and the voice is growing more silent as everyday passes.
Yes maybe USA still supports Kosova but Cyprus doesn't so I guess we Albanians will have to give independence up, it was nice though.
(Bekim, 14 November 2009 22:36
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Bekimoviq you're allways wrong.
Interesting thought on Dell's fear of Vetëvendosje. It wouldn't be the first time the United States aims to stifle real democratic momentum in favor of faux democratic puppets in some far-flung land of the world. Best to keep the people under our thumb than actually let them vote for their own destiny. I also wouldn't be surprised in the upcoming clash between Thaci and Haradinaj to see who will be the bigger US lapdog in order to win the prize.
EA,
You're right, we can go back and forth over what Kosovo is all day, so let's skip that. However, it is incorrect to say that "Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova". According to the Ahtisaari Plan, Annexes 3 and 5 provide sweeping measures for K Serbs to maintain close, if not official, ties with the rest of Serbia. We can debate whether this hinges on Serbia actually recognizing Kosovo, but I can't believe someone like Ahtisaari would actually believe that. So I feel these clauses were written in as failsafes for when the Serb municipalities go off Pristina's grid and reattach themselves to Belgrade's. Looking at the proposal again, it's also interesting to note the three new Serbian municipalities Feith has established are all mentioned in the AP as specific Serbian zones. What you argue hinges on the notion that the K Serbs realize their place is within an independent Kosovo. That has never been apparent, especially with the current leadership in Pristina being who they are. Pristina's efforts at bringing the Serbs on board have been, for the most part, highly disingenuous. If they were really serious about this, Thaci and Co. would have crossed the Ibar and spoken - in Serbian - directly to the people of KM about how their future and their quality of life lies with Kosovo's separate institutions. Making indirect statements from their bubble in Pristina does nothing. It’s about as effective as Jeremic referring to K Albanians as Serbian citizens from the safety of Belgrade. As it stands, Pristina has all but written the Serb minority off as an unwanted minority they must nevertheless acknowledge lives among them - sort of what like Serbia unwittingly did throughout the 1990s.
I do share your sentiments on Veton Surroi – that will be the day where I will celebrate like an idiot when he enters politics in full force and actually gets to steer Kosova/o. Things will certainly look more hopeful than what the jokers (Thaçi-Sejdiu) are currently (not) doing.
As for the institutions of both Kosova/o and Belgrade, I agree with you – as the local affairs are left to each side and no interference is done, I see no issue with pragmatic voices overcoming their respective challenges and for the most part, things will be good. However, what I am scared of, is reality and how it will actually unfold (even though, looking at the parameters, I don't see any potential that things will escalate and become genuinely problematic).
The point that I missed to elaborate on was the “swallow”ing of Kosova/o by Serbia. What I meant to say is that if US/EU were gone, Serbs would exercise their authority by bringing in their military to man the border posts (to name one thing), repeal (maybe even forcefully) any laws currently present (Kosova/o's constitution goes bye bye), etc. Now, it doesn't take a lot to see that this is a perfect recipe for a renewed disaster. You might point out that it's exactly the same issue that the K. Serbs find themselves in, and you'd be right to some extent. However, the key and very important difference is that under Kosovar rule, there is a babysitter (US/EU) to make sure that K. Serbs are getting what they're guaranteed (and you know they have the leverage to do that). Furthermore, the laws and political atmosphere within Kosova/o is much more tolerant of the Serbs, than it is afforded to K. Albanians from the Serb gov't (I am sure you know that for the Serb constitution, K. Albanians were effectively barred from voting on, among others. Look here (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=45614) what Matthew and I were discussing about two years ago, to get a sense of where I am coming from, since a lot of that is still very much applicable).
“But whatever we (dis)agree on, I think a more realistic assessment of Kosovo’s current situation/status would make all sides a little more responsible in their actions ”
- No disagreement there. Not sure if you watched Jeta Xharra's interview with Dacic (if you haven't, I recommend it. YouTube has it online that you can watch - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF5eyUEBlYE) – then go through parts from there), but you can see some disheartening messages that Serb gov't is sending. I saw no practical answers to pragmatical questions she posed – as a matter of fact, everything revolved around politics of Kosova/o's declaration of independence and Serbia's territorial integrity. This doesn't tell me he's interested in the well being of people (especially K. Albanians) and any progress of their lives, but rather that a Serb flag is up in Prishtina. Again, I highly recommend you see the interview of Jeta Xharra and Dacic for yourself.
“I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important. ”
- Hehe, I will have to agree with you on that. A case of the “Opps, I didn't realize I just said that out loud” if you will (if it were me anyway). Definitely lacking ambassadorship in some sense.
I agree with most what Jetoni and Mike wrote. Regarding Dell: it could be a bit more than just language neither Mike nor Jetoni does like. I agree with both that at first it sounds not very diplomatic to say the least and does not have much to do with the reality. But I have a second thought: today are elections. Perhaps, Mr. Dell would like to see certain outcome better than other. And perhaps the not-so-hidden intent is to influence the elections (not-so)-indirectly.
To Joe:
the occasion Mr. Dell spoke are today's elections. What he told was IMO to set the mood. Obviously, he likes "Vetëvendosje!" (much) less and fears them (much) more, than VS (Serbian Army).
And because of this we should like "Vetëvendosje!" and Mr. Albin Kurti more than we like the Drenica group with their Quetzalcoatls sunken into blood, corruption and drugs.
But of course, Quetzalcoatl for D. of State is an easier partner to deal with than Mr. Albin Kurti. Or even Veton Surroi.
Pjd don't even bother reacting. It doesnt apply to either police or army. We're there on the very line ever since albanians started shooting at Un and Kfor in 2001 and they know it very well. not only that but albanians say we're all over our province as well only disguised as shrubbery and whathave you, i say, ok, if they insist.
"Kosovo Serbs on the other hand are not pressured in any way to work with Pristina. That in itself severely questions the issue of sovereignty Kosovo supposedly.."
Mike,
It is very important to understand the meaning of the word "pressure" and in what context it is used.
The central government in Pristina at present is trying gently to bring the Kosova Serbs on board. That means that it is in their interest to co-operate for a better future for everyone living in Kosova. After the break up of Yugoslavia the administrative borders were defined as international recognised borders for the newly created countries. I know what you are going to argue "Kosovo is not a country". We can argue all day and night in here but the FACT is that Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova. I hope you know that. It is true that Albanians in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja have joined Serbian institutions because they are quite ahead when it comes to the new realities in former Yugoslavia. That doesn't mean that they are not watching the events in Kosova especially northern Mitrovica.
US support is not going away.
(pss, 15 November 2009 19:46)
Support of whom? Of Veton Surroi or maybe Albin Kurti? No way.
We are talking about supporting the forces who are the best from the perspective of Dept. of State. But of course it sounds nice on the surface. That's the purpose of it and precisely ON THIS day. God forbid - and somewhat unholy happens like "Vetëvendosje!" gaining influence.
the government in Belgrade, when Obama becomes president of the USA, said that they are "feeling change in the air" and even in the US-policy in front of Kosovo. Ambassador Dell is named by Obama as Ambassador, why is he saying that- Tadic said to us that Obama will bring change for Serbia and Kosovo.
"...it is incorrect to say that "Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova".
According the Ahtisaari Plan Serbs in Kosova will enjoy exceptional rights which comes under the decentralisation process. The same rights Serbia as a democratic european country should give to the Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Saying that there should be no decentralisation unless Serbs co-operate with central government in Pristina. As for K Serbs to maintain close, if not official, ties with the rest of Serbia I have no problem with that whatsover providing Serbia recognises Kosova's independence. The priciple of RECIPROCITY should be applied between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to minority rights. If we continue arguing what is a minority and how do we define we will enter to a vitious circle.
Kosova has excellent relationship with Albania and great relationship with Macedonia and Montenegro. It is all about European integration of Balkans at the end.
Why making things more complicated in Balkans? Let's be REALISTIC for the sake of peace and stability in the region.
It is just crazy to think the unthinkable a return of Kosova to Serbia.
As I said, I see Kosova,s government approach to the north of Mitrovica as a gentle one and that is not because of lack of power or human resources.
Thanks Jetoni for the two links. Your post with Matthew two years ago (a nice trip down B92 memory lane, though I wonder where I was that day) essentially touches upon a number of issues I've been advocating as well - particularly the no brainer that is making Albanian an official language of Serbia. It also shows that retaining *all* of Kosovo means integrating the Albanian population. Similar to Pristina needing to integrate the Serbian. Whether both sides actually want to do that, however, is another issue.
The interview with Xharra and Dacic went - well, better than I thought. There were a few moments when it could have deteriorated into a shouting match, but Dacic is the consummate politician, and Xharra is the consummate interviewer. I suspect similar situations would result were Thaci or Sejdiu interviewed by a member of B92 or Danas.
A few things I noticed:
1. Part 1 around 5:05 - Dacic argues Kosovo's "criminal element" kept it off the Schengen List. He didn't need to say that and could have kept it at "well, it's part of Serbia, but the EU kept it off, and we're not happy with that, but c'est la vie." Xharra obviously banked that statement for later.
2. Part 3: K-Serbs south of the Ibar. Dacic won that debate IMO, but could have kept it to the "practical" issues Xharra was talking about concerning local elections. I agree with her concerning the "practicality" of where Serb communities south the Ibar are. But Dacic could have said just that without going into the whole "what if Gracanica seceded"? His job is to keep all of Kosovo, not to punch holes in the parts his governments wants. He could have easily have said something like "well, we expect them to be fully self-sustaining and work with us regardless of when they vote". That would have sealed the argument for him. But alas. My argument is basically that: practicality trumps loyalty to Belgrade, but don’t get your hope up that practicality is going to show up in Pristina. It’s more like “thanks for the municipality Feith. Now all of you leave us the Hell alone”. The general “F you we can do it ourselves” attitude in Gracanica to everyone else is beyond endearing.
3. Part 4: Serb MUPs: Here or not here in Kosovo? Dacic totally blew that one. Xharra essentially had him there. The rumor of whether Serb MUPs are in the north or not is one of those mysteries, but Dacic was clearly caught off guard.
4. Part 4: c. 3:45: the issue of propaganda. Have to give points to Xharra who brought up #1 again. This went back and forth and produced nothing, but she raised a valid point of lumping an entire community together in one Easy to Swallow Stereotype. She kept it professional though and he had to think fast on the spot. She got points for that.
5. Issue of Kosovo passports - she keeps using the Greece/Macedonia issue but I think Greece recognizes Macedonia as a country. It's just the name that's the problem. Dacic's response that Kosovo's community can use their Serbian/Yugoslav passports holds water. Obviously he implies K-Serbs are welcome, but his blank stare at the question of K-Albanians wanting to visit the rest of Serbia was somewhat of a revelation to him. Still, with what he said about passport control, I’m curious to see how one can travel from Pristina to Serbia Proper, as he suggested.
6. The "image problem" Xharra raised for Serbia Proper and Kosovo Province - very true and one of the rare times anyone seems to mention it. I’m really glad she mentioned this. She didn't seem to be a big fan of the CNN add Pristina spent money on, but she's spot on about the efforts both sides (or actually both communities regardless of any "border") are undertaking to demonize the other side when efforts could be made to mend fences, even within an atmosphere of agreeing to disagree. I can only imagine how deep this is with both communities controlling their own education system. The history books should be real winners.
I share most of Ataman's observations as well. Still, I realize that Dacic *is* constrained to answer in a specific way. He does have Belgrade to answer to (even though he runs the Interior Ministry). You or I can be a Hell of a lot more flexible on what to do with Kosovo than he can. Moreover, this is the same man who only a few days ago responded to the Vojvodina statute as something akin to the "biggest setback to the autonomists in 20 years". I felt that was an extremely loaded statement and plays into partisan politics since autonomy was never an issue to people who’s names didn’t end in Čanak or begin with Nenad. So while he seems pretty sure of himself about 90% of the time, he still resorted to preset answers to questions posed to him.
All of this however, raises the critical issue of practical matters that still need to be solved between both sides, and the general disinterest of both sides’ political elites in dealing with them.
Serbs in Kosova are being given choices. Genuine choices, if only they were to take it what it.
(Goni, 15 November 2009 03:42)
What do you know about geniuine choices?
Albanians were given plenty of choices but decided to throw them back in Serbs' faces. Please don't tell me I don't know anything about what was happining in Kosovo prior to 90s.
You are not talking to someone who was born yesterday.
Albanians wanted to secede for a very long time now. This is even said by Albanians themselves. Just needed an excuse which conveniently Milosevic gave them. I guess they would've come up with some excuse sooner or later regardless of Milosevic.
You had choices. You had everything that Serbs there had except one thing you wanted most. Albanian flag flying over your institutions, but that is the only thing you wanted.
Not sure if you watched Jeta Xharra's interview with Dacic (if you haven't, I recommend it. YouTube has it online that you can watch - ([link]) – then go through parts from there), but you can see some disheartening messages that Serb gov't is sending.
(Jetoni, US, 15 November 2009 18:35)
Thanks for the link - IMO, Jeta Xharra made two big mistakes during the interview:
- She allowed typical "apparatchik" talk to unfold by not exploiting few critical points.
- She did not act professional by cutting into her interviewer partner's words. She was going around, so was Dacic. And he had the upper hand, even that for me it was Jeta who was more sympathetic.
Again, I underscore: I liked her better out of two. But I wish, she would do that interview better. And sometimes I felt, she wanted rather provoke than get good answer.
I would focus on three areas, or better, ask three questions only.
Q1: "Why can people bearing Chinese (Mainland) passports travel enter Taiwan and Taiwanese passholders travel to Mainland China without visas and extra complications?"
Can we find a similar solution?
(Proper answer would be: "yes, we will issue temporary residence cards. MUP is not in control of the passport issuing in Pristina, hence we cannot issue permanent licna karta. However, we can issue temporary "licna karta" at the admin line crossings with limited validity time")
Q2: "What would be the best way for Albanians in Pristina to visit their relatives on the territory under MUP control by car? The public transport is not the best-organized. At the same time US citizens can take their car between Belgrade and Pristina as much as they like."
(Proper answer from me would be: "MUP does not control car licensing in Pristina, neither any authority we do recognize. The cars bearing license plates of unrecognized authority need to display temporary Serbian plates, purchased at the border. Same about the insurance.")
Q3: "White Schengen" question. That question, too was "under-exploited" by Jeta and here I would answer somewhat differently, too. Mentioning Cyprus was good, but IMO, not to underscore that the fate of Albanians was of any concern was a mistake.
I did find it pretty low that the usual "you killed your own PM" versus "European capitals are full of Albanian criminals" word exchange did happen. I.D. was the one who did mention it first, but Jeta Xharra pretty much succumbed to that topic. It is OK(???) here, usual on YouTube - but not in an interview. Ultimately, most of the interview became unwillingly the usual "opanak versus fustanella" and lost a lot in the process.
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“I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important. ”
- Hehe, I will have to agree with you on that. A case of the “Opps, I didn't realize I just said that out loud” if you will (if it were me anyway). Definitely lacking ambassadorship in some sense.
(Jetoni, US, 15 November 2009 18:35)
I stuck to my idea. These statements are well part of ambassadorship. They reflect what is the interest of USA as country. Take them as such.
He said that the U.S. will not withdraw its recognition of Kosovo even if the ICJ determines that the unilateral proclamation went against international law.
How utterly arrogant of the US. I wonder if the US would accept this approach from any other country in the world? Imagine if Iraq for example said we will take Kuwait as our own territory even if the rest of the world thinks its illegal!? This only highlights further the "one rule for US and one rule for everyone else" approach that the US applies to most issues. I hope my own country's government doesnt act like a puppet and follow the US lead on this. Lets hope everyone is capable of reasoned independant thought on this. That way we may find a reasonable and fair solution to this whole issue.
"FRY Forces" includes all of the FRY and Republic of Serbia personnel and organisations with a military capability. This includes regular army and naval forces, armed civilian groups, associated paramilitary groups, air forces, national guards, border police, army reserves, military police, intelligence services, federal and Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs local, special, riot and anti-terrorist police, and any other groups or individuals so designated by the international security force ("KFOR") commander
Lie detected: "Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground"
It doesn't apply to the police.
(PJD, 15 November 2009 16:40)
Just goes to show no matter how detailed you try to make some do not comprehend.
Probably the strongest statement by a US representativie since Obama took helm, I am glad for the clarification. US support is not going away.
My main focus on Xharra and Dacic was of what Dacic was saying in regards to pragmatism and talking about keeping the average K. Albanian out of the crossfire of politics of Kosova/o and Serbia. Sure, there were certain things that Xharra could've done better, but what the politician says are a tad bit more important than what a journalists babbles about. With that said, the overall interview, to me at least, served as a good indication of what the Serb government's stance is with regards to their view on the population of Kosova/o. Lumping an entire ethnic group as stereotype by a politician is appalling, and should not be tolerated. On the other hand, the Kosovar's investment (a view Xharra and I seem to share – not very fond of it) on propaganda of “the new Europeans” isn't really taking a jab at Serbia per se, as is Dacic “lumping an entire community together in one Easy to Swallow Stereotype.” We're talking about a high ranking Serb official spewing this garbage, not Kostunica or some other peon, so it isn't to be taken lightly.
Mike, the issue with Greece and Macedonia is a good example – here are two parties that cannot agree on an issue, yet they came up with a practical solution so that the people won't be caught in the midst of it all (in this case, the visas are not issued on Macedonian passports, but given as an external document). Additionally, a point that Xharra made resonated quite well with me – if Thailand and Vietnam, two countries who don't recognize Kosova/o or passports can come up with a practical solution for the Kosovar people, and they're a world away from Kosova/o and Serbia, why can't Serbia, a neighbor, do something of the sort, for the sake of the people? Honestly, I see no valid excuse so far. I can see Serbia taking a page from Macedonia and Greece's book, and work a somewhat similar deal. No need to recognize Kosova/o as independent, yet the people aren't punished (I would go as far as saying that they would be scoring political points with Kosovar population and int'l community). I feel that Dacic failed miserably on this topic. And this is the topic that I was focusing on – pragmatism of what affects people's everyday lives. And the whole “you can get a Serb passport” doesn't quite hold water in my mind – to get to Serbia (which is where Kosovars have to go to get one), one needs a travel document of some sort. It's a bit of a catch 22, and all of it unnecessary to begin with.
“Serbia does not even have control all of its entire territory, because we should remember the Kumanovo Agreement, which decrees that Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground, and 25 kilometers from the Kosovo border in the air,”
OUCH, OUCH, OUCH!!! Reality hits for Serbia, everyone knows but hate to be reminded that NATO limits Serbian troop movements as far as 25km away from Kosova.
Another point: Kosova can control the North in 5 hours, Serbia would need to declare war to 27 NATO members and all their neighbors to do so.
Kumanovo Agreement is in place until ALL Nato members agree to remove it, including Albania
3. 130 countries on this planet disagree with you.
(Johnny, 14 November 2009 20:24)
Johnny,
1. It is his business since he is the US Ambassador to Kosova.
2. 130 countries have not decided yet whereas 63 countries (and counting) have decided to recognize Kosova's independence.
It is quite different to not recognize that to be still deliberating as is the case for the remaining 129 countries. This is evidenced by New Zealand's recent recognition of Kosova. Expect more recognitions after tomorrow's elections. Kosova's Serb population will help by voting tomorrow.
Oh dear God, are we still on this "functioning state" nonsense?
So this Washington flunky says Kosovo can "function independently", but in the next sentence says that "the international community will have to stay in Kosovo for at least another ten years", which negates the argument that Kosovo can function on its own.
Furthermore, the flimsy attempt at explaining the painfully obvious - that 3, and after tomorrow 6, municipalities will be off of Pristina's grid - is coterminous with the Kumanovo Agreement stating VS can't come within 5 km of Kosovo's borders is ridiculous. The people that live in that area all acknowledge Belgrade's authority and there are no international troops keeping the peace. Even the Presevo Albanians, pressured as they are by radical elements from Pristina, send elected officials to Belgrade and work with Belgrade institutions - something I can't say happens with Serb institutions in Kosovska Mitrovica, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, and Gracanica. Where does my country get these people, and is there a required lobotomy one must undergo in order to work for the State Department?
"He said that the U.S. will not pull its recognition of Kosovo even if the international court determines that the proclamation went against international law."
-- Which basically means we come out and officially proclaim it the colony everyone knows it is. Kind of negates the whole purpose of being a "functioning state", don't you think? Personally I think such a statement jumps the gun. Shouldn’t this salesman pitch a more positive image of the product he’s trying to sell? In fact, I haven’t heard any US official state they expect a “positive” report from the ICJ. Don’t leave Sej hanging, man! Though if we just want to turn Kosovo in our own little Abkhazia, I wouldn’t be surprised. Paranoid Great Powers always love it when simple folk wave their flags and give the illusion they love their politics.
Here is a translation for those who that can't read "American".
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U.S. ambassador to Priština Christopher Dell said that Kosovo is as independent of a country as Serbia is, because it can function independently.
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Our prison camp call Kosova is functioning very well.
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Dell also said that the international community will have to stay in Kosovo for at least another ten years.
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Our occupation will ensure a peaceful settlement cannot be achieved for at least 10 years and our prisoners will not have access to the EU for at least that period.
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"Kosovo is as sovereign and independent as much as Serbia is,” he told Voice of America.
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Even though Kosovo cannot be independent when under an occupation and supervision, we must continue to repeat this so no mass prison break occurs.
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“Serbia does not even have control all of its entire territory, because we should remember the Kumanovo Agreement, which decrees that Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground, and 25 kilometers from the Kosovo border in the air,” Dell said.
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We allow our prisoners to steal firewood from out of the province.
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He said that it cannot be said that Kosovo does not have sovereignty over its entire territory “because in the north of Kosovo, they are trying to maintain the situation the way it is, to stop Priština from controlling that part, like Serbia in 2000-2001, when it did not have sovereignty or control over the Preševo Valley part of its territory.”
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Belgrade controls the North of Kosovo and therefore we do not have sovereignty.
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Dell said that there is no deadline determining when the international community must exit Kosovo.
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We intend to keep Camp Bondsteel for a while to come.
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“We will need a lot of time to restore everything that was destroyed during the time of misfortune which Kosovo went through in the past,” he said.
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Those NATO bombs are awesome man. See how much damage a few can achieve?
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The American ambassador said that the elections are very important for the Serb community in order to “take over that much desired and needed control of its everyday life and administer over all resources which will enable them to make life easier for the community.”
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We want the Serbians to lick our boots but they continue to refuse while our ethnic Albanian servants are getting sore tongues.
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“In the last ten years, Serbs have always been told: wait, be patient, we will take care of you. To be honest, I do not see much progress and I think that Serbs have realized that nothing will come of these promises. Belgrade has been promising them for years that it will take care of them, but nothing has changed,” Dell said.
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We are making life for Serbians as miserable as possible until they become boot lickers like our servants.
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He said that the U.S. will not pull its recognition of Kosovo even if the international court determines that the proclamation went against international law.
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We broke the law once, we broke it again and again and again and continue to get away with it. International law? It doesn't apply to us.
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He said that the proclamation is in accordance with the law, adding that the U.S. will state why it believes that the decision was in accordance with international law, and said that he believes that “the international court will take all the documented facts into consideration” before giving its opinion on the issue.
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We make up our own laws and apply pressure on others to obey us. We can do this for as long as others accept our debt.
What a brazen hypocrite. I've never heard comments riddled with so many inconsistencies. Can he really believe such statements. If Kosovo is as independent as he says, then why does it require the presence of the international community for an indefinite period! Foreign troops, foreign bases, foreign cash to keep the whole mess afloat, and the usual rubbish about legitimacy under international law. Breathtaking. Do the Yanks really swallow what they keep spouting. Might is right.
Kosovo isn't an independent country, it's nothing more than a NATO colony. And no amount of diplomatic terrorism by the Clintonista State Department can successfully hide the obvious: Kosovo is Serbia.
This American is honestly ashamed of our role in the Balkans and apologizes for the hell we have created and have had the nerve to call, "heaven".
If it's any consolation, we are currently getting our punishment as those same politicians who did so much damage to you, turn on us.
"Even the Presevo Albanians, pressured as they are by radical elements from Pristina, send elected officials to Belgrade and work with Belgrade institutions - something I can't say happens with Serb institutions in Kosovska Mitrovica, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, and Gracanica."
Mike,
Are you saying that Albanians in Presevo are very happy to live in Serbia? I thought you are a bit smarter to think like that.
Remember one thing. Same rights for Kosova's Serbs to Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja and other way around. In other words RECIPROCITY in treatment for both ethnic groups. Job done!))
I think you're a bit hazy as to what he's saying. “can function independently” doesn't mean “it is functioning independently”. Potential vs. what is are two different things. However, can Kosova/o function on its own? That's a complicated question, mainly depending on what the definition of “functioning” is. Is Kosova/o running smoothly as a Western European country? Hell no! Will it? I don't know, since I don't have a crystal ball that predicts the future. However, if we take into account the current state of events, coupled with K. Albanians having (albeit not fully) been in the driver's seat for less than two years, would one really expect miracles? There are other countries that have been around for decades, and their state of affairs is far worse than that of Kosova/o. Calling something a failure from its launch with no concrete proof/data is a bit … premature. Have some faith man :-).
“Which basically means we come out and officially proclaim it the colony everyone knows it is”. Eh, I am not sure I would go that far. Colony somehow implies occupation counter the wishes of most (entire?) population, not something K. Albanians feel. Of course, all reasonable people are aware that countries have their interests in mind first and foremost, thus the US is in Kosova/o out of their interest, not for some inexplicable love towards K. Albanians (and equally, Russians with the Serbs). In my opinion, it is more of a survival strategy that K. Albanians align themselves and say “amen” to pretty much everything that US/EU say – otherwise, Kosova/o would be swallowed by Serbia if US/EU were to leave. Therefore, there is a noticeable difference in the grand scheme of things. Is it ideal? Of course not. But given the choices, one must choose from the lesser evils so to speak, thus the state Kosova/o is in, isn't by some voodoo magic. Supervised independence – or, almost independent, maybe – is what I would call Kosova/o as.
One thing though - Dell needs to stop going around like circus clown and just spewing undiplomatic garbage - it has gotten a bit annoying as of late.
I really enjoy reading your texts, if you had written more often it would be great. Though I know though that this is time consuming.
Mike
I also like reading your posts. In fact it is you and Mathew and the only Serbian posts that I read propely.
Although you put your phrases well together but it is very true that you lack knowledge and detail in the Kosovo Serbia mater.
You very often draw poor conclusions and wrong analogies that I wonder whether you ever read anything before the 90s about Kosovo Serbia affair.
It is laughable to compare parallel institutions organised by Kosovars headed by Rugova when Milosevic was in power with those K Serb institutions now. And your famous and euphoric North Serb Mitrovica assembly is dead. Albanian did not destroy that assembly it diead itself.
Serbs in Kosova are being given choices. Genuine choices, if only they were to take it what it.
Isn't this the same people who are saying that they are winning in Afganistan and Irak? Well, they are as successful over there as they are in Kosovo. It is all about patience! Serbs waited 500 years for the turks to leave. This will be like a walk in the park in comparison. Time is on the side of international law.
Haha. Mr Dell, may I remind you that a unilateral independence declaration is illegal according to international law (Helsinki agreement)? Backing it makes you a criminal, on pair with those in Pristina. The future world powers supports Serbia on this matter. That is because Serbia has both the legal and moral upper hand. Time can not straighten out what was born crooked.
Yes maybe USA still supports Kosova but Cyprus doesn't so I guess we Albanians will have to give independence up, it was nice though.
(Bekim, 14 November 2009 22:36
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Bekimoviq you're allways wrong.
The Americans should first build a democracy in their own backyard before preaching to others. The American hegemony ie. economic, political and military empire is fading daily and the voice is growing more silent as everyday passes.
the government in Belgrade, when Obama becomes president of the USA, said that they are "feeling change in the air" and even in the US-policy in front of Kosovo. Ambassador Dell is named by Obama as Ambassador, why is he saying that- Tadic said to us that Obama will bring change for Serbia and Kosovo.
Mr Dell, like many US citizens, displays a completely naive view of the world. It would be quite charming were it not so dangerous! We all know the awesome might of the US military and they with NATO are the only ones capable of doing anything in the North. I am certain of two things were they to really try to do, other than have the French parade around in their prettily tailored camouflage uniforms, to impose the will of Pristina: - 1) Undertake a huge troop deployment and risk the Serbs mounting a guerrilla war against them and 2) except that the Serbs will never forget and will get their revenge in one way or another. Frankly I think Mr Dell needs to go back to the Dell factory in the Republic of Ireland (it not so far to travel as the US) and have his operating chip serviced.
After reading/listening to your "high diplomacy" statements/wisdom, any person with even borderline IQ would get discouraged of buying even that little Dell computer! Spare us, please.
"Big event again. When ambassador Dell speaks people listen. He should do it at least twice per month. (Joe)"
-- Really? Who is this dude? I've never heard of him. What are his credentials that make you demand loyalty? But sure, have him whip up something ridiculous to say twice, even three times, a month. More laughs I say.
"Kosovo Serbs on the other hand are not pressured in any way to work with Pristina. That in itself severely questions the issue of sovereignty Kosovo supposedly.."
Mike,
It is very important to understand the meaning of the word "pressure" and in what context it is used.
The central government in Pristina at present is trying gently to bring the Kosova Serbs on board. That means that it is in their interest to co-operate for a better future for everyone living in Kosova. After the break up of Yugoslavia the administrative borders were defined as international recognised borders for the newly created countries. I know what you are going to argue "Kosovo is not a country". We can argue all day and night in here but the FACT is that Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova. I hope you know that. It is true that Albanians in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja have joined Serbian institutions because they are quite ahead when it comes to the new realities in former Yugoslavia. That doesn't mean that they are not watching the events in Kosova especially northern Mitrovica.
"...it is incorrect to say that "Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova".
According the Ahtisaari Plan Serbs in Kosova will enjoy exceptional rights which comes under the decentralisation process. The same rights Serbia as a democratic european country should give to the Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Saying that there should be no decentralisation unless Serbs co-operate with central government in Pristina. As for K Serbs to maintain close, if not official, ties with the rest of Serbia I have no problem with that whatsover providing Serbia recognises Kosova's independence. The priciple of RECIPROCITY should be applied between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to minority rights. If we continue arguing what is a minority and how do we define we will enter to a vitious circle.
Kosova has excellent relationship with Albania and great relationship with Macedonia and Montenegro. It is all about European integration of Balkans at the end.
Why making things more complicated in Balkans? Let's be REALISTIC for the sake of peace and stability in the region.
It is just crazy to think the unthinkable a return of Kosova to Serbia.
As I said, I see Kosova,s government approach to the north of Mitrovica as a gentle one and that is not because of lack of power or human resources.
“Dell needs to stop going around like circus clown and just spewing undiplomatic garbage - it has gotten a bit annoying as of late. (Jetoni)”
Which is essentially the reason why I wrote a comment in the first place. I mean if he were to say something like “we’re happy with the way things are going in Kosovo lately. True we’d like the Serbs to participate more, and we haven't achieved all that we originally hoped to achieve but we can’t have everything in the first year and a half” or something like that, I’d be inclined to either ignore or – are you ready? – understand his comment. But as you say yourself, it’s such hyperbole as to make it ridiculous. I mean it’s no secret the US is going to support Kosovo in whatever capacity it ends up as. Ok, fine. I think we all understand that. But at the same time, let’s be a little more realistic. Yes, it takes time for political institutions to develop, for trust in local government to mature, and for responsible leaders to come to the fore (I can always hope one day Veton Surroi will break out of the 5% mold, but I’m not holding my breath). But let’s say that, all things aside, that does happen in Kosovo in the next decade. Great! Seriously. I can’t understand the logic of trying to keep Kosovo an economic backwater while still laying claim to it. But we also can’t discount that in the time Albanian institutions mature and consolidate, the same may very well happen for Serbian institutions too. In other words, I think it’s a fair prediction to make that Kosovo may stabilize, but we may very well see two political centers: one Serb and one Albanian. And let’s be honest. As long as each side stays out of the affairs of the other, no one in Brussels or Washington is going to care. Does anyone really think the Serbs elected to local offices tomorrow in Kosovo are suddenly going to present their credentials to Thaci? I’ve noticed it’s been relatively quiet in Belgrade concerning these elections. I would have thought at least Koštunica would have come out condemning illegal elections being held on Serbian territory. The only thing we’ve heard is muted pressure for Serbs not to vote. But, there’s certainly no protest over the forming of three new municipalities. If anything, even to a K-Albanian, it removes the Serbian element from their own political affairs.
Which brings me to wonder whether you really believe Serbia would “swallow” up Kosovo if the US looked the other way. I may be in the minority here, but I really don’t think that’s going to happen. I may be the consummate optimist, but I really think all Belgrade cares about is having some authority over the 6 Serbian municipalities, access to cultural landmarks deep in Albanian territory, and a tacit agreement with EULEX that Kosovo’s status remains ambiguous enough for everyone to make some claim to the region without having the responsibility to do anything. I mean what are they really going to do if they’re given the keys to Pristina? Belgrade can no more storm the gates of Pristina than Pristina can take KM or Gracanica.
But whatever we (dis)agree on, I think a more realistic assessment of Kosovo’s current situation/status would make all sides a little more responsible in their actions. Dell’s overly optimistic statements are discounted in less than 5 seconds (or in Pristina’s proximity to Gracanica, 5 km) and again does nothing other than stoke Thaci’s ego. I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important.
"Are you saying that Albanians in Presevo are very happy to live in Serbia? I thought you are a bit smarter to think like that. (EA)"
-- The question of whether or not Presevo Albanians are necessarily "happy" living in Serbia is a separate issue from the sovereignty they are under. In other words, Belgrade has internationally recognized rights to the region, whereas Pristina does not for the Serb municipalities in question.
I have nothing against reciprocity. But at the end of the day, Presevo Albanians realize they can only work with Belgrade. Kosovo Serbs on the other hand are not pressured in any way to work with Pristina. That in itself severely questions the issue of sovereignty Kosovo supposedly has.
So mr Ambassador - You recognize, that US attacked independent european country and create with Your country help illegal pseudocountry on the territory of independent european state??
"FRY Forces" includes all of the FRY and Republic of Serbia personnel and organisations with a military capability. This includes regular army and naval forces, armed civilian groups, associated paramilitary groups, air forces, national guards, border police, army reserves, military police, intelligence services, federal and Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs local, special, riot and anti-terrorist police, and any other groups or individuals so designated by the international security force ("KFOR") commander
Lie detected: "Serbia’s military and police forces cannot be within five kilometers of the border on the ground"
It doesn't apply to the police.
(PJD, 15 November 2009 16:40)
Just goes to show no matter how detailed you try to make some do not comprehend.
Probably the strongest statement by a US representativie since Obama took helm, I am glad for the clarification. US support is not going away.
Serbs in Kosova are being given choices. Genuine choices, if only they were to take it what it.
(Goni, 15 November 2009 03:42)
What do you know about geniuine choices?
Albanians were given plenty of choices but decided to throw them back in Serbs' faces. Please don't tell me I don't know anything about what was happining in Kosovo prior to 90s.
You are not talking to someone who was born yesterday.
Albanians wanted to secede for a very long time now. This is even said by Albanians themselves. Just needed an excuse which conveniently Milosevic gave them. I guess they would've come up with some excuse sooner or later regardless of Milosevic.
You had choices. You had everything that Serbs there had except one thing you wanted most. Albanian flag flying over your institutions, but that is the only thing you wanted.
I thought that we have got rid of NATO and Albania, Oh no, Serbia you must fear the great Albanians in Kosovo. With what will Kosova control the North with, oh!
As you people seem to NATO this and NATO that why does not your beloved NATO take control over the North completely. Here is some news for you as well I think Serbian troops are a tad closer than 25kms, but I won’t argue about that.
I’m so sorry to tell you this, but the US is only blowing smoke up your proverbial, or telling you want you want to hear. Their main purpose is Camp Bondsteel and nothing else. Ask yourself the question how many infrastructure projects, construction of factories etc did the ambassador announce?
“He said that the U.S. will not withdraw its recognition of Kosovo even if the ICJ determines that the unilateral proclamation went against international law.”
I have been told that this is not right. The US relies on the international court just any country even though a decision is non binding, simply what authority is there to enforce it. If the ICJ rules in favour of Serbia then the US will have to bargain, that if it does not go broke in the meantime and then no bargaining and no more Albanians in Kosovo.
If the US will simply ignore the ICJ, then why did it and NATO allies defend themselves in the same arena when Serbia brought legal action against them?????? There is more to it than they are telling you. Your muslim brothers are much smarter than you guys because they know how treacherous the Yanks can be!
-- Really? Who is this dude? I've never heard of him. What are his credentials that make you demand loyalty? But sure, have him whip up something ridiculous to say twice, even three times, a month. More laughs I say.
(Mike, 15 November 2009 06:29)
Mike,
That "dude" is the person our Dept. of State did appoint in Pristina as ambassador. He spoke what the interest of the country (USA) essentially is: to make Albanians feel warm and nice, vote for Drenica group, preserve the current status quo and do not even remotely think about guys like Albin Kurti. Because IMO, it's not Gracanica, KM, VS, Tadic and Kostunica are the ones who are deadly dangerous for USA interests in Kosov@ but Albin Kurti. Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't see how Albin can come in terms with any idea of NATO protectorate.
US support is not going away.
(pss, 15 November 2009 19:46)
Support of whom? Of Veton Surroi or maybe Albin Kurti? No way.
We are talking about supporting the forces who are the best from the perspective of Dept. of State. But of course it sounds nice on the surface. That's the purpose of it and precisely ON THIS day. God forbid - and somewhat unholy happens like "Vetëvendosje!" gaining influence.
I agree with most what Jetoni and Mike wrote. Regarding Dell: it could be a bit more than just language neither Mike nor Jetoni does like. I agree with both that at first it sounds not very diplomatic to say the least and does not have much to do with the reality. But I have a second thought: today are elections. Perhaps, Mr. Dell would like to see certain outcome better than other. And perhaps the not-so-hidden intent is to influence the elections (not-so)-indirectly.
To Joe:
the occasion Mr. Dell spoke are today's elections. What he told was IMO to set the mood. Obviously, he likes "Vetëvendosje!" (much) less and fears them (much) more, than VS (Serbian Army).
And because of this we should like "Vetëvendosje!" and Mr. Albin Kurti more than we like the Drenica group with their Quetzalcoatls sunken into blood, corruption and drugs.
But of course, Quetzalcoatl for D. of State is an easier partner to deal with than Mr. Albin Kurti. Or even Veton Surroi.
Not sure if you watched Jeta Xharra's interview with Dacic (if you haven't, I recommend it. YouTube has it online that you can watch - ([link]) – then go through parts from there), but you can see some disheartening messages that Serb gov't is sending.
(Jetoni, US, 15 November 2009 18:35)
Thanks for the link - IMO, Jeta Xharra made two big mistakes during the interview:
- She allowed typical "apparatchik" talk to unfold by not exploiting few critical points.
- She did not act professional by cutting into her interviewer partner's words. She was going around, so was Dacic. And he had the upper hand, even that for me it was Jeta who was more sympathetic.
Again, I underscore: I liked her better out of two. But I wish, she would do that interview better. And sometimes I felt, she wanted rather provoke than get good answer.
I would focus on three areas, or better, ask three questions only.
Q1: "Why can people bearing Chinese (Mainland) passports travel enter Taiwan and Taiwanese passholders travel to Mainland China without visas and extra complications?"
Can we find a similar solution?
(Proper answer would be: "yes, we will issue temporary residence cards. MUP is not in control of the passport issuing in Pristina, hence we cannot issue permanent licna karta. However, we can issue temporary "licna karta" at the admin line crossings with limited validity time")
Q2: "What would be the best way for Albanians in Pristina to visit their relatives on the territory under MUP control by car? The public transport is not the best-organized. At the same time US citizens can take their car between Belgrade and Pristina as much as they like."
(Proper answer from me would be: "MUP does not control car licensing in Pristina, neither any authority we do recognize. The cars bearing license plates of unrecognized authority need to display temporary Serbian plates, purchased at the border. Same about the insurance.")
Q3: "White Schengen" question. That question, too was "under-exploited" by Jeta and here I would answer somewhat differently, too. Mentioning Cyprus was good, but IMO, not to underscore that the fate of Albanians was of any concern was a mistake.
I did find it pretty low that the usual "you killed your own PM" versus "European capitals are full of Albanian criminals" word exchange did happen. I.D. was the one who did mention it first, but Jeta Xharra pretty much succumbed to that topic. It is OK(???) here, usual on YouTube - but not in an interview. Ultimately, most of the interview became unwillingly the usual "opanak versus fustanella" and lost a lot in the process.
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“I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important. ”
- Hehe, I will have to agree with you on that. A case of the “Opps, I didn't realize I just said that out loud” if you will (if it were me anyway). Definitely lacking ambassadorship in some sense.
(Jetoni, US, 15 November 2009 18:35)
I stuck to my idea. These statements are well part of ambassadorship. They reflect what is the interest of USA as country. Take them as such.
Interesting thought on Dell's fear of Vetëvendosje. It wouldn't be the first time the United States aims to stifle real democratic momentum in favor of faux democratic puppets in some far-flung land of the world. Best to keep the people under our thumb than actually let them vote for their own destiny. I also wouldn't be surprised in the upcoming clash between Thaci and Haradinaj to see who will be the bigger US lapdog in order to win the prize.
EA,
You're right, we can go back and forth over what Kosovo is all day, so let's skip that. However, it is incorrect to say that "Serbia is barred from entering/excercising any influence in Kosova". According to the Ahtisaari Plan, Annexes 3 and 5 provide sweeping measures for K Serbs to maintain close, if not official, ties with the rest of Serbia. We can debate whether this hinges on Serbia actually recognizing Kosovo, but I can't believe someone like Ahtisaari would actually believe that. So I feel these clauses were written in as failsafes for when the Serb municipalities go off Pristina's grid and reattach themselves to Belgrade's. Looking at the proposal again, it's also interesting to note the three new Serbian municipalities Feith has established are all mentioned in the AP as specific Serbian zones. What you argue hinges on the notion that the K Serbs realize their place is within an independent Kosovo. That has never been apparent, especially with the current leadership in Pristina being who they are. Pristina's efforts at bringing the Serbs on board have been, for the most part, highly disingenuous. If they were really serious about this, Thaci and Co. would have crossed the Ibar and spoken - in Serbian - directly to the people of KM about how their future and their quality of life lies with Kosovo's separate institutions. Making indirect statements from their bubble in Pristina does nothing. It’s about as effective as Jeremic referring to K Albanians as Serbian citizens from the safety of Belgrade. As it stands, Pristina has all but written the Serb minority off as an unwanted minority they must nevertheless acknowledge lives among them - sort of what like Serbia unwittingly did throughout the 1990s.
My main focus on Xharra and Dacic was of what Dacic was saying in regards to pragmatism and talking about keeping the average K. Albanian out of the crossfire of politics of Kosova/o and Serbia. Sure, there were certain things that Xharra could've done better, but what the politician says are a tad bit more important than what a journalists babbles about. With that said, the overall interview, to me at least, served as a good indication of what the Serb government's stance is with regards to their view on the population of Kosova/o. Lumping an entire ethnic group as stereotype by a politician is appalling, and should not be tolerated. On the other hand, the Kosovar's investment (a view Xharra and I seem to share – not very fond of it) on propaganda of “the new Europeans” isn't really taking a jab at Serbia per se, as is Dacic “lumping an entire community together in one Easy to Swallow Stereotype.” We're talking about a high ranking Serb official spewing this garbage, not Kostunica or some other peon, so it isn't to be taken lightly.
Mike, the issue with Greece and Macedonia is a good example – here are two parties that cannot agree on an issue, yet they came up with a practical solution so that the people won't be caught in the midst of it all (in this case, the visas are not issued on Macedonian passports, but given as an external document). Additionally, a point that Xharra made resonated quite well with me – if Thailand and Vietnam, two countries who don't recognize Kosova/o or passports can come up with a practical solution for the Kosovar people, and they're a world away from Kosova/o and Serbia, why can't Serbia, a neighbor, do something of the sort, for the sake of the people? Honestly, I see no valid excuse so far. I can see Serbia taking a page from Macedonia and Greece's book, and work a somewhat similar deal. No need to recognize Kosova/o as independent, yet the people aren't punished (I would go as far as saying that they would be scoring political points with Kosovar population and int'l community). I feel that Dacic failed miserably on this topic. And this is the topic that I was focusing on – pragmatism of what affects people's everyday lives. And the whole “you can get a Serb passport” doesn't quite hold water in my mind – to get to Serbia (which is where Kosovars have to go to get one), one needs a travel document of some sort. It's a bit of a catch 22, and all of it unnecessary to begin with.
Pjd don't even bother reacting. It doesnt apply to either police or army. We're there on the very line ever since albanians started shooting at Un and Kfor in 2001 and they know it very well. not only that but albanians say we're all over our province as well only disguised as shrubbery and whathave you, i say, ok, if they insist.
I do share your sentiments on Veton Surroi – that will be the day where I will celebrate like an idiot when he enters politics in full force and actually gets to steer Kosova/o. Things will certainly look more hopeful than what the jokers (Thaçi-Sejdiu) are currently (not) doing.
As for the institutions of both Kosova/o and Belgrade, I agree with you – as the local affairs are left to each side and no interference is done, I see no issue with pragmatic voices overcoming their respective challenges and for the most part, things will be good. However, what I am scared of, is reality and how it will actually unfold (even though, looking at the parameters, I don't see any potential that things will escalate and become genuinely problematic).
The point that I missed to elaborate on was the “swallow”ing of Kosova/o by Serbia. What I meant to say is that if US/EU were gone, Serbs would exercise their authority by bringing in their military to man the border posts (to name one thing), repeal (maybe even forcefully) any laws currently present (Kosova/o's constitution goes bye bye), etc. Now, it doesn't take a lot to see that this is a perfect recipe for a renewed disaster. You might point out that it's exactly the same issue that the K. Serbs find themselves in, and you'd be right to some extent. However, the key and very important difference is that under Kosovar rule, there is a babysitter (US/EU) to make sure that K. Serbs are getting what they're guaranteed (and you know they have the leverage to do that). Furthermore, the laws and political atmosphere within Kosova/o is much more tolerant of the Serbs, than it is afforded to K. Albanians from the Serb gov't (I am sure you know that for the Serb constitution, K. Albanians were effectively barred from voting on, among others. Look here (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=45614) what Matthew and I were discussing about two years ago, to get a sense of where I am coming from, since a lot of that is still very much applicable).
“But whatever we (dis)agree on, I think a more realistic assessment of Kosovo’s current situation/status would make all sides a little more responsible in their actions ”
- No disagreement there. Not sure if you watched Jeta Xharra's interview with Dacic (if you haven't, I recommend it. YouTube has it online that you can watch - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF5eyUEBlYE) – then go through parts from there), but you can see some disheartening messages that Serb gov't is sending. I saw no practical answers to pragmatical questions she posed – as a matter of fact, everything revolved around politics of Kosova/o's declaration of independence and Serbia's territorial integrity. This doesn't tell me he's interested in the well being of people (especially K. Albanians) and any progress of their lives, but rather that a Serb flag is up in Prishtina. Again, I highly recommend you see the interview of Jeta Xharra and Dacic for yourself.
“I essentially understood his statements as more of an internal memo than anything important. ”
- Hehe, I will have to agree with you on that. A case of the “Opps, I didn't realize I just said that out loud” if you will (if it were me anyway). Definitely lacking ambassadorship in some sense.
Thanks Jetoni for the two links. Your post with Matthew two years ago (a nice trip down B92 memory lane, though I wonder where I was that day) essentially touches upon a number of issues I've been advocating as well - particularly the no brainer that is making Albanian an official language of Serbia. It also shows that retaining *all* of Kosovo means integrating the Albanian population. Similar to Pristina needing to integrate the Serbian. Whether both sides actually want to do that, however, is another issue.
The interview with Xharra and Dacic went - well, better than I thought. There were a few moments when it could have deteriorated into a shouting match, but Dacic is the consummate politician, and Xharra is the consummate interviewer. I suspect similar situations would result were Thaci or Sejdiu interviewed by a member of B92 or Danas.
A few things I noticed:
1. Part 1 around 5:05 - Dacic argues Kosovo's "criminal element" kept it off the Schengen List. He didn't need to say that and could have kept it at "well, it's part of Serbia, but the EU kept it off, and we're not happy with that, but c'est la vie." Xharra obviously banked that statement for later.
2. Part 3: K-Serbs south of the Ibar. Dacic won that debate IMO, but could have kept it to the "practical" issues Xharra was talking about concerning local elections. I agree with her concerning the "practicality" of where Serb communities south the Ibar are. But Dacic could have said just that without going into the whole "what if Gracanica seceded"? His job is to keep all of Kosovo, not to punch holes in the parts his governments wants. He could have easily have said something like "well, we expect them to be fully self-sustaining and work with us regardless of when they vote". That would have sealed the argument for him. But alas. My argument is basically that: practicality trumps loyalty to Belgrade, but don’t get your hope up that practicality is going to show up in Pristina. It’s more like “thanks for the municipality Feith. Now all of you leave us the Hell alone”. The general “F you we can do it ourselves” attitude in Gracanica to everyone else is beyond endearing.
3. Part 4: Serb MUPs: Here or not here in Kosovo? Dacic totally blew that one. Xharra essentially had him there. The rumor of whether Serb MUPs are in the north or not is one of those mysteries, but Dacic was clearly caught off guard.
4. Part 4: c. 3:45: the issue of propaganda. Have to give points to Xharra who brought up #1 again. This went back and forth and produced nothing, but she raised a valid point of lumping an entire community together in one Easy to Swallow Stereotype. She kept it professional though and he had to think fast on the spot. She got points for that.
5. Issue of Kosovo passports - she keeps using the Greece/Macedonia issue but I think Greece recognizes Macedonia as a country. It's just the name that's the problem. Dacic's response that Kosovo's community can use their Serbian/Yugoslav passports holds water. Obviously he implies K-Serbs are welcome, but his blank stare at the question of K-Albanians wanting to visit the rest of Serbia was somewhat of a revelation to him. Still, with what he said about passport control, I’m curious to see how one can travel from Pristina to Serbia Proper, as he suggested.
6. The "image problem" Xharra raised for Serbia Proper and Kosovo Province - very true and one of the rare times anyone seems to mention it. I’m really glad she mentioned this. She didn't seem to be a big fan of the CNN add Pristina spent money on, but she's spot on about the efforts both sides (or actually both communities regardless of any "border") are undertaking to demonize the other side when efforts could be made to mend fences, even within an atmosphere of agreeing to disagree. I can only imagine how deep this is with both communities controlling their own education system. The history books should be real winners.
I share most of Ataman's observations as well. Still, I realize that Dacic *is* constrained to answer in a specific way. He does have Belgrade to answer to (even though he runs the Interior Ministry). You or I can be a Hell of a lot more flexible on what to do with Kosovo than he can. Moreover, this is the same man who only a few days ago responded to the Vojvodina statute as something akin to the "biggest setback to the autonomists in 20 years". I felt that was an extremely loaded statement and plays into partisan politics since autonomy was never an issue to people who’s names didn’t end in Čanak or begin with Nenad. So while he seems pretty sure of himself about 90% of the time, he still resorted to preset answers to questions posed to him.
All of this however, raises the critical issue of practical matters that still need to be solved between both sides, and the general disinterest of both sides’ political elites in dealing with them.
He said that the U.S. will not withdraw its recognition of Kosovo even if the ICJ determines that the unilateral proclamation went against international law.
How utterly arrogant of the US. I wonder if the US would accept this approach from any other country in the world? Imagine if Iraq for example said we will take Kuwait as our own territory even if the rest of the world thinks its illegal!? This only highlights further the "one rule for US and one rule for everyone else" approach that the US applies to most issues. I hope my own country's government doesnt act like a puppet and follow the US lead on this. Lets hope everyone is capable of reasoned independant thought on this. That way we may find a reasonable and fair solution to this whole issue.
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