Autonomists "dealt biggest blow in 20 years"

So there you have it my fellow Albanian posters. I know that you were hoping for more disintegration of Serbia's borders. Maybe now you can concentrate on the dissolution of Albania; as i hear that Greece, Montenegro and Serbia now want a piece of that pie.

"There is a provision that Vojvodina is an inalienable part of Serbia, the province has no jurisdiction to make laws, international contracts, the government can brings down decisions of Vojvodina authorities in front of the Constitutional Court."

Dačić also "claims categorically" that the referendum provision cannot be used at a later time as a basis for self-determination.

"The Constitution clearly defines Serbia as an indivisible territory."

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Inalienable part of Serbia, like Kosova? Poor Dacic. With this, Vojvodina grows even more seperate from Serbia, as Tadic said it already has its own history and character. If they grow separate, it's just a matter of when...

My wife is from Novi Sad and I've always declared autonomy a non issue that I would absolutely deny to the province. NO WAY, NO HOW!

Autonomy is the first slide towards a referendum of independence. Not by Serbs, but by the Nazi Hungarian leftovers which took part in massive executions of the local Serbs population of WW2.

Hungarians are the instigators of this "autonomy" push which has little support amongst the Serbian population. Either live in Serbia, which includes Kosovo and Vojvodina, or find another heaven from which to agitate....perhaps albania.

"With this, Vojvodina grows even more seperate from Serbia, as Tadic said it already has its own history and character. (arta)"

-- Sorry mate. You're shooting blanks on this like you always do. Demographic composition that nullifies separatism aside, you assume there's a separatist movement in Vojvodina. Just like you assume there's a separatist movement in Presevo. Well aside from Freedom and maybe one or two crazy Hungarians in Backa Planina, it's just not there. I'd even go so far as to say that Vojvodina's potential for greater autonomy was dashed when Kosovo did what it did. Were all of Kosovo allowed to administratively remain in Serbia's boundaries, I'm quite sure Serbia would have federalized. As it stands now, no one is interested decentralization.

they still should not accept it anyway and albaians well now if this is how it is as we knew you would have to ask the 75%% Serbs in the Serb province and did you albanians know that the greeks want their land back that they gave you, which is southern albania and did you know the Serbs want their land back northern albania. so stop worrying about other peoples affairs and look at your own because there is 500,000 angry greeks in albania and 100,000 serbs also and you cant look at the 1989 cences because they and most were not included like they are talking today in 2009 which albania is said to be 35%+ none albanians.

I am reading so much lately the comments in this website and I am really surprised with them. Why do you hate so much each other, that in any moment seems to be ready to destroy each-other? Why you do not look to the future ? Giving autonomy to one region is OK and there is nothing wrong with it, and as far as I know in order to go further with integration there is a condition (for the good of the citizens): DECENTRALIZATION. Try to not put everything that is for the good of the people in politics (As I understand, decentralisation means: being closer to the people, not secession). As for some comments about 35% of non albanians in Albania I thik this is the most stupid think I have ever heard. Peace for everyone. Cheers.

G. Dacic is doing a great job!

Ouch, even Vojvodina wants out!

Dacic, this is their beiggest defeat in the last 9 years not 20.

They regained autonomy in 2002, but far less then they wanted. Since then they agitated for more and this stature doesn't at all mett their demands.

If you really wnat to claim they've had a defeat in the last 20 years you'd do soemthing different. One pass a regionalization law that equalzied Vohjvodina with the rest of Serbia, pass a second law abolishing Vojvodina and emrging the okrugs in Serbia in to larger okrugs serving as the regions of Serbia.

We have a regionalization law (not a good one proposed G17 Plus), which seems to be a modification of a plan DSS had in 2001. Tadic has mentyioning "equalizing" regions of Serbia and ahs hinted at future reforms (some which opposition parties are unlikely to oppose). And even other aprties, Ljajic's newly formed one, have hinted at this -- during the media event around his aprty he mention something 9-12 regions, which is better then the one Dinkic proposed of 5 (his is based on geography, okrugs merge into the 3 geographial regions of Vojvodina, 5 for the rest of Serbia, 1 for Beograd, and Kosovo status is kept as currently).

This is likely to happen next election. Ruling parties are concerned over their share of the vote and since this would require opposition support, the beleaguered radicals still hold 75% of former SRS seats (SNS despite having 2/3's+ of support is still minor in parliament) no one wants to give them a propaganda coup.

When are we people going to wake up. Let's just forget about the nitty gritty nationalist politics and focus on economic standards. Ivica Dacic is a Milosevic era politican. He's never going to change. He should be in jail for being one of the leaders of SPS during Milosevic times.

I love reading all these comments from people who live thousands of miles away talking nonsense. The only reason for the autonomy is money, people here (I live in Vojvodina)are tired of seeing all their hard earned money disappear to Beograd to never be seen again, I have spoken to Serbs, Croats and Hungarians (Who incidentally, all live here happily along side each other) they all want autonomy for this reason and this reason only. As a foot note, not all Hungarians are Nazis as not all Serbs are nationlists and it is insulting to discribe them as such. Finally if you fire breathing Serbs from far flung countries feel so strongly about your homeland, then get of your soapboxes and come here and help your country by working here and spending your money.

The Kumanovo Military Technical Agreement was also a victory, right?

It certainly is good to hear somebody clear this matter up for us non-Serbian speakers. It is especially good since the Vatican is currently cooing in the ears of Serbian politicians as reported in Radio Srbija online.

"The Constitution clearly defines Serbia as an indivisible territory. Honestly speaking, we thought that provision was unnecessary, because there is no fear someone might abolish the autonomy, or change the province's territory without its residents' consent."

My God. Is there anything farther from the truth. When will Serbians really wake up and smell the roses. The present government lied, pillaged, and raped Srbia enough times and surrendered another part of Serbia to separatist forces. Enough is Enough.

"This statute is well below anything Vojvodina had under the 1974 Constitution. There is a provision that Vojvodina is an inalienable part of Serbia, the province has no jurisdiction to make laws, international contracts, the government can brings down decisions of Vojvodina authorities in front of the Constitutional Court."
So Vojvodina has lost out since the democrats are in power.
The same fate would have been to Kosova should have remained quite in its demands.

"Finally if you fire breathing Serbs from far flung countries feel so strongly about your homeland, then get of your soapboxes and come here and help your country by working here and spending your money."
(Sir, 14 November 2009
09:20)

Now that's telling us. May I remind you that without Serbs in diaspora you would be a lot worse off.
Serbs from all over the world go to Serbia to holiday and see their relatives. They spend their money in Serbia and you still don't respect their contribution.
How ungrateful can one be?

It is precisely people in diaspora who go on marches and lobby their governments to see the Serbian point of view. Without Serbs outsite Serbia you would not have much support or financial aid. Serbs raise money for aid, they bring money into the country when they visit and they support you from around the world.

How can you possibly come here and argue that Serbs who don't live in Serbia don't have a right to their opinion or influence.

A little more gratitute would be a good thing.

The whole story makes clear, why Kosovo never will be back under Serbian reign. This is what Serbian politicians could understand under 'more than autonomy and less than independence'. Empty promises, which put an end to all Serbian hopes for further negotiations on the Kosovo-status. Dacic may be proud that he turned the clock back to before 1974, but it only shows that Serbian politicians are still living in the atmosphere of the 1980-ies. In the modern world we can deal with decentralization unlike most of the Serbs. We al have departments, provinces, Bundesstaaten or States with their own governments and capitals. In this way even, if Serbia would be a part of the EU, it remains a black hole by its backwardness.

"There is a provision that Vojvodina is an inalienable part of Serbia, the province has no jurisdiction to make laws, international contracts, the government can brings down decisions of Vojvodina authorities in front of the Constitutional Court."

Dačić also "claims categorically" that the referendum provision cannot be used at a later time as a basis for self-determination.

"The Constitution clearly defines Serbia as an indivisible territory."

-----
Inalienable part of Serbia, like Kosova? Poor Dacic. With this, Vojvodina grows even more seperate from Serbia, as Tadic said it already has its own history and character. If they grow separate, it's just a matter of when...

So there you have it my fellow Albanian posters. I know that you were hoping for more disintegration of Serbia's borders. Maybe now you can concentrate on the dissolution of Albania; as i hear that Greece, Montenegro and Serbia now want a piece of that pie.

When are we people going to wake up. Let's just forget about the nitty gritty nationalist politics and focus on economic standards. Ivica Dacic is a Milosevic era politican. He's never going to change. He should be in jail for being one of the leaders of SPS during Milosevic times.

they still should not accept it anyway and albaians well now if this is how it is as we knew you would have to ask the 75%% Serbs in the Serb province and did you albanians know that the greeks want their land back that they gave you, which is southern albania and did you know the Serbs want their land back northern albania. so stop worrying about other peoples affairs and look at your own because there is 500,000 angry greeks in albania and 100,000 serbs also and you cant look at the 1989 cences because they and most were not included like they are talking today in 2009 which albania is said to be 35%+ none albanians.

Ouch, even Vojvodina wants out!

My wife is from Novi Sad and I've always declared autonomy a non issue that I would absolutely deny to the province. NO WAY, NO HOW!

Autonomy is the first slide towards a referendum of independence. Not by Serbs, but by the Nazi Hungarian leftovers which took part in massive executions of the local Serbs population of WW2.

Hungarians are the instigators of this "autonomy" push which has little support amongst the Serbian population. Either live in Serbia, which includes Kosovo and Vojvodina, or find another heaven from which to agitate....perhaps albania.

I am reading so much lately the comments in this website and I am really surprised with them. Why do you hate so much each other, that in any moment seems to be ready to destroy each-other? Why you do not look to the future ? Giving autonomy to one region is OK and there is nothing wrong with it, and as far as I know in order to go further with integration there is a condition (for the good of the citizens): DECENTRALIZATION. Try to not put everything that is for the good of the people in politics (As I understand, decentralisation means: being closer to the people, not secession). As for some comments about 35% of non albanians in Albania I thik this is the most stupid think I have ever heard. Peace for everyone. Cheers.

"The Constitution clearly defines Serbia as an indivisible territory. Honestly speaking, we thought that provision was unnecessary, because there is no fear someone might abolish the autonomy, or change the province's territory without its residents' consent."

My God. Is there anything farther from the truth. When will Serbians really wake up and smell the roses. The present government lied, pillaged, and raped Srbia enough times and surrendered another part of Serbia to separatist forces. Enough is Enough.

I love reading all these comments from people who live thousands of miles away talking nonsense. The only reason for the autonomy is money, people here (I live in Vojvodina)are tired of seeing all their hard earned money disappear to Beograd to never be seen again, I have spoken to Serbs, Croats and Hungarians (Who incidentally, all live here happily along side each other) they all want autonomy for this reason and this reason only. As a foot note, not all Hungarians are Nazis as not all Serbs are nationlists and it is insulting to discribe them as such. Finally if you fire breathing Serbs from far flung countries feel so strongly about your homeland, then get of your soapboxes and come here and help your country by working here and spending your money.

"With this, Vojvodina grows even more seperate from Serbia, as Tadic said it already has its own history and character. (arta)"

-- Sorry mate. You're shooting blanks on this like you always do. Demographic composition that nullifies separatism aside, you assume there's a separatist movement in Vojvodina. Just like you assume there's a separatist movement in Presevo. Well aside from Freedom and maybe one or two crazy Hungarians in Backa Planina, it's just not there. I'd even go so far as to say that Vojvodina's potential for greater autonomy was dashed when Kosovo did what it did. Were all of Kosovo allowed to administratively remain in Serbia's boundaries, I'm quite sure Serbia would have federalized. As it stands now, no one is interested decentralization.

The Kumanovo Military Technical Agreement was also a victory, right?

"This statute is well below anything Vojvodina had under the 1974 Constitution. There is a provision that Vojvodina is an inalienable part of Serbia, the province has no jurisdiction to make laws, international contracts, the government can brings down decisions of Vojvodina authorities in front of the Constitutional Court."
So Vojvodina has lost out since the democrats are in power.
The same fate would have been to Kosova should have remained quite in its demands.

The whole story makes clear, why Kosovo never will be back under Serbian reign. This is what Serbian politicians could understand under 'more than autonomy and less than independence'. Empty promises, which put an end to all Serbian hopes for further negotiations on the Kosovo-status. Dacic may be proud that he turned the clock back to before 1974, but it only shows that Serbian politicians are still living in the atmosphere of the 1980-ies. In the modern world we can deal with decentralization unlike most of the Serbs. We al have departments, provinces, Bundesstaaten or States with their own governments and capitals. In this way even, if Serbia would be a part of the EU, it remains a black hole by its backwardness.

G. Dacic is doing a great job!

Dacic, this is their beiggest defeat in the last 9 years not 20.

They regained autonomy in 2002, but far less then they wanted. Since then they agitated for more and this stature doesn't at all mett their demands.

If you really wnat to claim they've had a defeat in the last 20 years you'd do soemthing different. One pass a regionalization law that equalzied Vohjvodina with the rest of Serbia, pass a second law abolishing Vojvodina and emrging the okrugs in Serbia in to larger okrugs serving as the regions of Serbia.

We have a regionalization law (not a good one proposed G17 Plus), which seems to be a modification of a plan DSS had in 2001. Tadic has mentyioning "equalizing" regions of Serbia and ahs hinted at future reforms (some which opposition parties are unlikely to oppose). And even other aprties, Ljajic's newly formed one, have hinted at this -- during the media event around his aprty he mention something 9-12 regions, which is better then the one Dinkic proposed of 5 (his is based on geography, okrugs merge into the 3 geographial regions of Vojvodina, 5 for the rest of Serbia, 1 for Beograd, and Kosovo status is kept as currently).

This is likely to happen next election. Ruling parties are concerned over their share of the vote and since this would require opposition support, the beleaguered radicals still hold 75% of former SRS seats (SNS despite having 2/3's+ of support is still minor in parliament) no one wants to give them a propaganda coup.

"Finally if you fire breathing Serbs from far flung countries feel so strongly about your homeland, then get of your soapboxes and come here and help your country by working here and spending your money."
(Sir, 14 November 2009
09:20)

Now that's telling us. May I remind you that without Serbs in diaspora you would be a lot worse off.
Serbs from all over the world go to Serbia to holiday and see their relatives. They spend their money in Serbia and you still don't respect their contribution.
How ungrateful can one be?

It is precisely people in diaspora who go on marches and lobby their governments to see the Serbian point of view. Without Serbs outsite Serbia you would not have much support or financial aid. Serbs raise money for aid, they bring money into the country when they visit and they support you from around the world.

How can you possibly come here and argue that Serbs who don't live in Serbia don't have a right to their opinion or influence.

A little more gratitute would be a good thing.

It certainly is good to hear somebody clear this matter up for us non-Serbian speakers. It is especially good since the Vatican is currently cooing in the ears of Serbian politicians as reported in Radio Srbija online.