OSCE criticizes K. Albanian authorities

Zoran,

Have you ever worried of returning 5 Million Albanians who now live in Turkey to Nis, Prokuple, Aleksinac Vranje. These people were autochtonous in those region and by force they were ethnically cleansed.

Moreover a significant number of these Albanians who were ethnically cleansed between 1876-1879 have property documents(in Arabic) that still show that they are the owner of those lands that you occupied.

Perhaps you still dont know international unbiased history, but you are aware ONLY with history whose arichtect is Cubrilovic, Rankovic, Milosevic, Seselj...

There are million of sources that are being found and investigated by local and foreign experts on daily basis on what happened to those Albanians in Turkey.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 11:05)

1. According to official Turkish cencus - in Turkey live 1300000 Albanians. So - Your number is 3 time higher than in fact.
2. Not all of them are from Serbian lands.
3. Most of them identified more with Turkish nationality than Albanian.
4. Most of them were SETTLED by Ottoman ocuppants for replace Orthodox Slavs.

Of course these people will not meet their obligations. They have no intention of so doing. They spent too much time and effort forcing people to flee their homes to allow them back. Additionally those in positions of power are also most likely pocketing funds, designed to make the programme work, in overseas bank accounts.

As observed by media, institutions in Priština did not comment on the OSCE report.
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Come on, give them a break. They are too busy spending millions on useless initiatives like "Young European" commercials or buying worthless recognitions.

How does anyone expect Pristina to focus on less important things like jobs, returnees, the economy, crime, rule of law, peace and prosperity when there are many more exciting things to do?

Lets be honest here, now what would you rather do? Build a statue of Bill Clinton or hunt and remove criminals?

Moreover a significant number of these Albanians who were ethnically cleansed between 1876-1879 have property documents(in Arabic) that still show that they are the owner of those lands that you occupied.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 11:05)
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PRN, I had absolutely no idea and if what you say is true then I would encourage every single person that was cleansed 140 years to come back to Serbia and claim their property!

Now, will you support those Serbians cleansed 10 years ago to return and claim their property also?

This criticism raises a lot of questions. The first being, do the "authorities" in Kosovo even have the money to pay for all the things that Kacin is requesting? I doubt it. There is no industry in kosovo so where is all this money going to come from? If they do have money, i.e. from donations, then where has it all gone to? Who has pocketed it?

This all stems from illegally recognising Kosovo. Everyone knows that the US and EU want to build coal powered electricity powerstations, yet they can't!! They can't because they know that legally, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, so they daren't spend any money knowing that Serbia will win the ICJ case even though they are desperate for electricity generation. so NO investment = NO jobs = NO development (in any sense of the word).

So if the EU really want more returnees back into Kosovo then they should pay for it. I suspect that this is all talk and no action because take a look at Croatia. Not a word has been mentioned about the 200,000+ Serbs refugees who still live in Serbia whose property issues still have't been resolved. The EU should have demanded that Serbia and Croatia thrash out a deal so that the refugees at least knew whether they would have a property to go back to in Croatia or whether they have to make Serbia their new permanent home.

Looks like the Croats and albo's will receive different treatment from the EU.

PRN

I agree,there were about 50.000 Albanians in
Vranje,Prokuplje and Nis but they were not autochon.
They came(as always) behind the Turks (after the 1683 Austrian-Turkish war)
stealing Serbian land and driving the autochon Serbian people out with the help of the Osmans.
After 1878 Knjaz Milan Obrenovic was wise enough to expell these foreign invaders from our lands and resettled the region of Toplica and Nis with tough Montenegrin warrior families under the leadership of Masha Vrbica.
So to mention here some Osmanic documents is like a Croat from Sarajevo mentioning Nazi documents who say Sarajevo was part of the puppet state of Croatia in WW2 and therefore belongs to Croatia.Ridicilous!
I think were it not for the putch in 1903,Albanians of Kosovo would have been driven out from our Kosovarian territory too by the Obrenovics because they stole it after the 1683 Austrian-Osmanic war when Serbs were forced out and Albanians were resettled there by the Osmans.
They are occupying stolen Serbian land,and this will change sonner or later.

CG,

U see you underline here kicking Albanians out and they kick you out so it seems an it repeats it self.

So maybe we should kick the remaining Serbs from north and wait till things change and then you try and kick us out again and we keep going in this cycle.

But Albanians know we can burn those Serbian Churches any time we like and bum all this old old Serbian History goes up in Flames and u cant do nothing about.

Write some complains.

Only mistake we did was to allow those Serbs to Stay but dont worry we will kick them out like in Croatia and u have to keep writing blogs in protest.

you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy.
(BKK, 12 November 2009 14:30)

Nothing new from Albanians! It just shows your commitment to live in monoethnic state where all citizens are Albanians.

How pathetic, you want to burn ortodox churhes which Kosovo Albanian govermant claims Albanians built? No wonder you dont have any historical monuments. It seems you are masters of self distructions.

@BKK

You are just bragging,of course you can burn down the churches for now(destroying is a speciality for you,creating not)
but believe me sooner or later the americans will leave and we will be on the stronger side and then we will talk again.
Do not think that only one Serbian casualty,or burned church or even one animal out of our livestock is forgotten or forgiven.

Before Pretty Ridiculous Nationalist attempts to divert attention away from the focus of the article by making up stories of state-sponsored initiatives in Belgrade to ethnically cleanse Albanians from lands they only tacitly lived in (ironically coming from someone who last week called for the expulsion of all Slavs from the Balkans), let's focus on the issue at hand: actual living proof of Serbs being forced out of Kosovo Province over the past 10 years with little to no incentive being given by Pristina to encourage them to return. Once we are able to either force Pristina to take a more active role in resettlement, or simply provide the K Serbs in Kosovo with the means and funds to do it themselves in specifically designated municipalities and under the direct sponsorship of EULEX, then we may be able to direct attention to this little nationalist's claims of Albanians at one point fictitiously controlling Nis.

"you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy. (BKK)"

-- Will more intelligent Albanians speak more on this site? Why must we be subjected to this type of nonsense? I mean seriously, Albanians are trying ever so hard to pass themselves off as "Europe's youngest democrats", and we have to read garbage published by little insignificant nationalists about ethnic cleansing and churches being at the mercy of people that, under the Ahtisaari Plan, are forbidden to even so much as sneeze in the general direction of a church. I mean come on. On one level, internet chat sites are a magnet for idiotic cyber trolls with nothing else better to do, but seriously, there's got to be more intelligent Albanians out there who can carry an intelligent conversation that this.

Have you ever worried of returning 5 Million Albanians who now live in Turkey to Nis, Prokuple, Aleksinac Vranje. These people were autochtonous in those region and by force they were ethnically cleansed.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 11:05)

Very interesting theory about autochtonous Albanians.

My wife is from Hungary and her uncle (retired university profesor) has interesting theory regarding Albanians. According to him Albanians came from Carpat mountains. He also said that few houndred years ago Serbs were considered as Ilirians. He also mentioned that theory of Albanian being Iliarians comes from the Germans. According to him, Romanians have nothing to do to with Romans and they are more related (at least some similarities in language) to Albanians than to any other nation.

Why does not OSCE ask for Serbia, how much money they invested for rebuilding of Albanian houses in Preshevo valley destroyed by their military forces during the conflict there? Or, how much money has Serbia paid for destroying around 300.000 houses in Kosovo???!!! In order to enable return of the Albanians from milosheviq exodus???!!!
(predictor, 12 November 2009 11:58)

Why isn't OSCE criticizing Serbia for purposefully destroying some 120,000 Albanian homes? When is Serbia going to allocate that money?
OSCE doesn't recognize Kosova so we care--not. It's another useless organization
(aRTa, 12 November 2009 15:34)

For god sake get your numbers right! If you Albanians can not agree on the correct number of destroyed house, then I dont know who will. So which number is correct 300 000 or 120 000? One of you is not telling truth.

To several posters:
* Radoslav, they can't build plants because most of the coal deposits are in Serb areas and look how Balkan transmissions liens connect to international markets, it would have to go through Serbia.
* To PRN and Milan. The 1.3 million figures is not Turkish census but research of historic records that professors have access to. The number is not 5 million and if it was they wouldn't all be form Nis, Prokuplje and areas in Serbia. Chances are majority would be from Kosovo, Albania and parts of FYROM.
* PRN, assuming this 5 million figure is true. So what. As much as 9 million Turks (http://www.pressonline.rs/sr/vesti/u_fokusu/story/62220/Verovali+ili+ne%3A+U+TURSKOJ+%C5%BDIVI+9+MILIONA+SRBA%21.html) are descednant Serbs sdtolen from Serbia (i.e. jannisaries). If the Albanians have this alledged right then Turkey is bound to forcefully convert these people or their children given the nature of the Janissaries and send them back to Serbia.
* The claims of 120,000 homes and 300,000 homes. The latter lie has been exposed as a lie and the lower numbver is closer to the truth. BNut why shoyuld Serbia pay for soemthing NATO/EU already paid for this (the only succesful post-war reconstruction in Kosovo). They probably either don't live in Kosovo and can't remember how in 1999-2002 unemployments there was 20% lower then now because of cosntruxction and UNMIK was tlaking of how Kosovo will soon be a "Balkan tiger" and have an GDP per cpaita larger then Serbia (http://www.unmikonline.org/pub/focuskos/june02/focuskeco2.htm).

I used to work with the OSCE until recently, and I know exactly what incapable people are working in, starting with some semi-graduated school boys and girls to reach old retirees and jobless people that could not find a job in their home country (most probably because of their “super” professionalism). OSCE is not the organization that used to be during the 1998/99/2000 and 2001. It has changed for bad (meaning the staff quality), dramatically.
So, in my opinion, OSCE report should not be taken seriously. OSCE should be aware of Kosovo government investments for rebuilding of a Serb houses which went up to some 96 millions so far, and is keeping investing in the return process.
Why does not OSCE ask for Serbia, how much money they invested for rebuilding of Albanian houses in Preshevo valley destroyed by their military forces during the conflict there? Or, how much money has Serbia paid for destroying around 300.000 houses in Kosovo???!!! In order to enable return of the Albanians from milosheviq exodus???!!!

BKK

I don`t know about Macedonia,but in Montenegro there are only 5% Albanians and we are not like Macedonians to sell land to Albanians,but buyng it up from Albanians,and then they leave to America.
The point is:
you depend solely on the Americans ,alone you are to weak and underdeveloped and would be wiped out in three days by the Serbian army and you know it very well.
You will never be as developed as Serbia or reach its population numbers.
History teaches us that sheltering empires come and go,people stay.

"Again we are ruling this land and funny with hired help from NATO we dont even need to shut one bullet."
(BKK, 12 November 2009 19:25)

Have you told NATO that they are only hired help? I suspect they disagree with your observation.

NATO is your master. You don't do anything without their approval.
Did you fall in the barrel of rakija and think you are mighty?

Zoran,

Have you ever worried of returning 5 Million Albanians who now live in Turkey to Nis, Prokuple, Aleksinac Vranje. These people were autochtonous in those region and by force they were ethnically cleansed.

Moreover a significant number of these Albanians who were ethnically cleansed between 1876-1879 have property documents(in Arabic) that still show that they are the owner of those lands that you occupied.

Perhaps you still dont know international unbiased history, but you are aware ONLY with history whose arichtect is Cubrilovic, Rankovic, Milosevic, Seselj...

There are million of sources that are being found and investigated by local and foreign experts on daily basis on what happened to those Albanians in Turkey.

Return Serb to Kosovo? Report should have said instead, "Force Serbs to return to Kosovo". UNMIK was dealing with this issue and never managed to return big numbers of K-Serbs
Do we know how many want and are willing to return? - No

Do we know if they have still property or slod it for large sum of money? - No

and there is a large number of questions to answer before we can come to any conclusion. K-Institutions are working on answering these kind of questions.

Report says that K-Institutions are not doing enough but not nothing,huge difference between not enough and nothing.

By the way, can sommeone enligten me as to what is Serbian Gov. doing for 10ths thousands of Albanians of Medvegja that have never returned to their homes nor been able to sell their propertys.

Robertino, your wife's uncle from Hungary is wrong. Albanians didn't come from the Carpat mountains or from the Kaukaz mountains, but they came from outer space on a foggy day. Upon arrival they buried their space ship, so no one would notice. That's why there's no written records ever of them moving to their present locale - other people simply couldn't see their space ship through the fog.

But you are right that Romanian and Romans are absolutely not related. Their language - being a version of Latin - was simply projected into their brains telepathically. So there you have it.

As for OSCE criticizing Prishtina for not providing jobs and houses for the Serbs that hypothetically might want to return to Kosova from Serbia, that's a shame; after all they provided so many jobs for Albanians. And isn't job creation a function of the free market economy, or are we still living in communist times. Often you get the feeling that these reports get written from the local pub. No wonder, no one bothers to read them any longer.

Again we are ruling this land and funny with hired help from NATO we dont even need to shut one bullet.
(BKK, 12 November 2009 19:25)

Not for long mate!

Adrian Gashi,

Language does not define your etnicity. So do you think that Serbs are slavic because they speak slavic language?

Serbs and Croats came from Iran. But they were faster on their horses than your space ship. When they arrived your space ship was still in the air. Sorry mate.

(Adrian Gashi, 12 November 2009 16:59)

He did not mentioned Albanian space ship. Was the ship German?

Even Romanians speak Latin language does not make Romanians latin.

In general romanians and albanins look similar.

No Surprise at all!!

First, there isn't such an intention of letting people returning (just have to read some so low level comments such as BKK to understand it...)

second, there is not intention for the one leaving abroad to return to such a no future zone, so remains the people that have no place to go and are forcly send back, poor them, but at least they will be able to see the beautiful commercial on the TV...
And who is to be blame this time..., so easy to poor hatred commnents on this site, but a bit more difficult to put the hands in the dirt to build something, what a poor mentality!!

Clive certainly hit the nail on the head in the very first post. The same people who ethnically cleansed the Serbs from large parts of Kosovo are supposed to bring them back? LOL. The KLA runs Kosovo! Albanians in the KLA wants all Serbs out of Kosovo like yesterday.

Why isn't OSCE criticizing Serbia for purposefully destroying some 120,000 Albanian homes? When is Serbia going to allocate that money?

OSCE doesn't recognize Kosova so we care--not. It's another useless organization

CG,

U see you underline here kicking Albanians out and they kick you out so it seems an it repeats it self.

So maybe we should kick the remaining Serbs from north and wait till things change and then you try and kick us out again and we keep going in this cycle.

But Albanians know we can burn those Serbian Churches any time we like and bum all this old old Serbian History goes up in Flames and u cant do nothing about.

Write some complains.

Only mistake we did was to allow those Serbs to Stay but dont worry we will kick them out like in Croatia and u have to keep writing blogs in protest.

you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy.

CG spoken like a true Serb!

Robertino,

That theory is not new, it has some interesting details, but in general Albanians seem to be closer to rather South like Thracia.

Antique Italia has some Illyrian, Thracian, etc. traces and there are still quite a few villages where languages resembling some Albanian dialects are still spoken. Not a good memory for East Europe, but (in)famous Italian general Giorgio Basta was of that stock.

The Albanians as they are today could be not even from a single tribe. Like, for instance, Hungarians can trace their origin to ten tribes, some of them unrelated and some not even "ugric" but "turkic".

The "hunnic" or "Illyrian" or "Celtic" tribe "confederations" were pretty lose and often they did quarrel with each others more, than with "outsiders", and blood feuds were pretty cruel.

The territory of what is Kosovo and also Metohija today there are very few if any traces of these people tough. It was very sparsely inhabited and unlike in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania: there is not much work for archeologists there.

The practical importance and relation of this to today's politics is of course zero. The last newcomers to Kosovo were technically Turks and Gypsies - but their descendants have no less rights than the most ancient Illyrians.

Besides, I have no idea who with whom and how many times did sleep 500 or 600 years ago. All I know that the "pill" wasn't invented and any of us could be the "byproduct" of fun ancient Kosovars had with each other.

Only mistake we did was to allow those Serbs to Stay but dont worry we will kick them out like in Croatia and u have to keep writing blogs in protest.

you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy.
(BKK, 12 November 2009 14:30)

Wrong, our precious churches are protected now. Go ahead, try to repeat 2004 and see what happens this time.

Language does not define your etnicity. So do you think that Serbs are slavic because they speak slavic language?
(Karamustafa, 12 November 2009 18:19)

Everyone has own idea about "ethnicity". Language is part of it. Otherwise we can look at Russians as a mix between Vikings and Mongols. Which is true - but to a certain fairly small degree only. The "geno-fond" of Norsemen and Men of Steppes simply diluted into huge All-Slavic genetic ocean. So happened with many Uralic, Ugric, Turkic people. Jews, too. For that reason these people are just "Russians".... with some unique local flavor tough.

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Serbs and Croats came from Iran.
(Karamustafa, 12 November 2009 18:19)

Some tribal leaders - yes, probably. And tribal leaders of Macedonians/Bulgarians were Volga-Bulghars, related to Tatars in Kazan' area. They got "lost" in huge Slavonic ocean after short period of time. Given the known quality of Slavonic girls, that "losing" was very much volunteer thing :-)

And I don't feel sorry for these Volga Bulghars, Subarteans or Urarteans for being "lost" in Slavonic ethnic ocean. They had mighty fun doing it.

Do not think that only one Serbian casualty,or burned church or even one animal out of our livestock is forgotten or forgiven.
(CG, 12 November 2009 16:14)

EXACTLY,
that is my message to my fellow Serbs.

CG and Karamustafa,

Not gloating just stating the truth.

you have your friends we have ours i like our chances with America.

But for now CG we do as we pleas and we are also looking over to your side our dream of Big Albania is just under the surface we dont need to be in one nation to bi big albania we just need Majority to rule.

So Macedonia first then Cerna Gora.

As for not building we do build plenty we just build a new Catholic church in South of Kosovo :)few buildings burned by you etc.

Again we are ruling this land and funny with hired help from NATO we dont even need to shut one bullet.

I find it interesting that no where is it mentioned that the report is in reference to those people who are forcibly repatriated from other countries who have denied them legal status.
The slant on this story makes it appear as if this is in reference to Serbs living in Serbia. This has nothing to do with VOLUNTARY returnees.

I used to work with the OSCE until recently, and I know exactly what incapable people are working in, starting with some semi-graduated school boys and girls to reach old retirees and jobless people that could not find a job in their home country (most probably because of their “super” professionalism). OSCE is not the organization that used to be during the 1998/99/2000 and 2001. It has changed for bad (meaning the staff quality), dramatically.
So, in my opinion, OSCE report should not be taken seriously. OSCE should be aware of Kosovo government investments for rebuilding of a Serb houses which went up to some 96 millions so far, and is keeping investing in the return process.
Why does not OSCE ask for Serbia, how much money they invested for rebuilding of Albanian houses in Preshevo valley destroyed by their military forces during the conflict there? Or, how much money has Serbia paid for destroying around 300.000 houses in Kosovo???!!! In order to enable return of the Albanians from milosheviq exodus???!!!

Return Serb to Kosovo? Report should have said instead, "Force Serbs to return to Kosovo". UNMIK was dealing with this issue and never managed to return big numbers of K-Serbs
Do we know how many want and are willing to return? - No

Do we know if they have still property or slod it for large sum of money? - No

and there is a large number of questions to answer before we can come to any conclusion. K-Institutions are working on answering these kind of questions.

Report says that K-Institutions are not doing enough but not nothing,huge difference between not enough and nothing.

By the way, can sommeone enligten me as to what is Serbian Gov. doing for 10ths thousands of Albanians of Medvegja that have never returned to their homes nor been able to sell their propertys.

Zoran,

Have you ever worried of returning 5 Million Albanians who now live in Turkey to Nis, Prokuple, Aleksinac Vranje. These people were autochtonous in those region and by force they were ethnically cleansed.

Moreover a significant number of these Albanians who were ethnically cleansed between 1876-1879 have property documents(in Arabic) that still show that they are the owner of those lands that you occupied.

Perhaps you still dont know international unbiased history, but you are aware ONLY with history whose arichtect is Cubrilovic, Rankovic, Milosevic, Seselj...

There are million of sources that are being found and investigated by local and foreign experts on daily basis on what happened to those Albanians in Turkey.

CG,

U see you underline here kicking Albanians out and they kick you out so it seems an it repeats it self.

So maybe we should kick the remaining Serbs from north and wait till things change and then you try and kick us out again and we keep going in this cycle.

But Albanians know we can burn those Serbian Churches any time we like and bum all this old old Serbian History goes up in Flames and u cant do nothing about.

Write some complains.

Only mistake we did was to allow those Serbs to Stay but dont worry we will kick them out like in Croatia and u have to keep writing blogs in protest.

you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy.

Robertino, your wife's uncle from Hungary is wrong. Albanians didn't come from the Carpat mountains or from the Kaukaz mountains, but they came from outer space on a foggy day. Upon arrival they buried their space ship, so no one would notice. That's why there's no written records ever of them moving to their present locale - other people simply couldn't see their space ship through the fog.

But you are right that Romanian and Romans are absolutely not related. Their language - being a version of Latin - was simply projected into their brains telepathically. So there you have it.

As for OSCE criticizing Prishtina for not providing jobs and houses for the Serbs that hypothetically might want to return to Kosova from Serbia, that's a shame; after all they provided so many jobs for Albanians. And isn't job creation a function of the free market economy, or are we still living in communist times. Often you get the feeling that these reports get written from the local pub. No wonder, no one bothers to read them any longer.

Why isn't OSCE criticizing Serbia for purposefully destroying some 120,000 Albanian homes? When is Serbia going to allocate that money?

OSCE doesn't recognize Kosova so we care--not. It's another useless organization

CG and Karamustafa,

Not gloating just stating the truth.

you have your friends we have ours i like our chances with America.

But for now CG we do as we pleas and we are also looking over to your side our dream of Big Albania is just under the surface we dont need to be in one nation to bi big albania we just need Majority to rule.

So Macedonia first then Cerna Gora.

As for not building we do build plenty we just build a new Catholic church in South of Kosovo :)few buildings burned by you etc.

Again we are ruling this land and funny with hired help from NATO we dont even need to shut one bullet.

Do not think that only one Serbian casualty,or burned church or even one animal out of our livestock is forgotten or forgiven.
(CG, 12 November 2009 16:14)

EXACTLY,
that is my message to my fellow Serbs.

CG spoken like a true Serb!

PRN

I agree,there were about 50.000 Albanians in
Vranje,Prokuplje and Nis but they were not autochon.
They came(as always) behind the Turks (after the 1683 Austrian-Turkish war)
stealing Serbian land and driving the autochon Serbian people out with the help of the Osmans.
After 1878 Knjaz Milan Obrenovic was wise enough to expell these foreign invaders from our lands and resettled the region of Toplica and Nis with tough Montenegrin warrior families under the leadership of Masha Vrbica.
So to mention here some Osmanic documents is like a Croat from Sarajevo mentioning Nazi documents who say Sarajevo was part of the puppet state of Croatia in WW2 and therefore belongs to Croatia.Ridicilous!
I think were it not for the putch in 1903,Albanians of Kosovo would have been driven out from our Kosovarian territory too by the Obrenovics because they stole it after the 1683 Austrian-Osmanic war when Serbs were forced out and Albanians were resettled there by the Osmans.
They are occupying stolen Serbian land,and this will change sonner or later.

Zoran,

Have you ever worried of returning 5 Million Albanians who now live in Turkey to Nis, Prokuple, Aleksinac Vranje. These people were autochtonous in those region and by force they were ethnically cleansed.

Moreover a significant number of these Albanians who were ethnically cleansed between 1876-1879 have property documents(in Arabic) that still show that they are the owner of those lands that you occupied.

Perhaps you still dont know international unbiased history, but you are aware ONLY with history whose arichtect is Cubrilovic, Rankovic, Milosevic, Seselj...

There are million of sources that are being found and investigated by local and foreign experts on daily basis on what happened to those Albanians in Turkey.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 11:05)

1. According to official Turkish cencus - in Turkey live 1300000 Albanians. So - Your number is 3 time higher than in fact.
2. Not all of them are from Serbian lands.
3. Most of them identified more with Turkish nationality than Albanian.
4. Most of them were SETTLED by Ottoman ocuppants for replace Orthodox Slavs.

I find it interesting that no where is it mentioned that the report is in reference to those people who are forcibly repatriated from other countries who have denied them legal status.
The slant on this story makes it appear as if this is in reference to Serbs living in Serbia. This has nothing to do with VOLUNTARY returnees.

As observed by media, institutions in Priština did not comment on the OSCE report.
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Come on, give them a break. They are too busy spending millions on useless initiatives like "Young European" commercials or buying worthless recognitions.

How does anyone expect Pristina to focus on less important things like jobs, returnees, the economy, crime, rule of law, peace and prosperity when there are many more exciting things to do?

Lets be honest here, now what would you rather do? Build a statue of Bill Clinton or hunt and remove criminals?

This criticism raises a lot of questions. The first being, do the "authorities" in Kosovo even have the money to pay for all the things that Kacin is requesting? I doubt it. There is no industry in kosovo so where is all this money going to come from? If they do have money, i.e. from donations, then where has it all gone to? Who has pocketed it?

This all stems from illegally recognising Kosovo. Everyone knows that the US and EU want to build coal powered electricity powerstations, yet they can't!! They can't because they know that legally, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, so they daren't spend any money knowing that Serbia will win the ICJ case even though they are desperate for electricity generation. so NO investment = NO jobs = NO development (in any sense of the word).

So if the EU really want more returnees back into Kosovo then they should pay for it. I suspect that this is all talk and no action because take a look at Croatia. Not a word has been mentioned about the 200,000+ Serbs refugees who still live in Serbia whose property issues still have't been resolved. The EU should have demanded that Serbia and Croatia thrash out a deal so that the refugees at least knew whether they would have a property to go back to in Croatia or whether they have to make Serbia their new permanent home.

Looks like the Croats and albo's will receive different treatment from the EU.

Of course these people will not meet their obligations. They have no intention of so doing. They spent too much time and effort forcing people to flee their homes to allow them back. Additionally those in positions of power are also most likely pocketing funds, designed to make the programme work, in overseas bank accounts.

Moreover a significant number of these Albanians who were ethnically cleansed between 1876-1879 have property documents(in Arabic) that still show that they are the owner of those lands that you occupied.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 11:05)
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PRN, I had absolutely no idea and if what you say is true then I would encourage every single person that was cleansed 140 years to come back to Serbia and claim their property!

Now, will you support those Serbians cleansed 10 years ago to return and claim their property also?

CG,

U see you underline here kicking Albanians out and they kick you out so it seems an it repeats it self.

So maybe we should kick the remaining Serbs from north and wait till things change and then you try and kick us out again and we keep going in this cycle.

But Albanians know we can burn those Serbian Churches any time we like and bum all this old old Serbian History goes up in Flames and u cant do nothing about.

Write some complains.

Only mistake we did was to allow those Serbs to Stay but dont worry we will kick them out like in Croatia and u have to keep writing blogs in protest.

you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy.
(BKK, 12 November 2009 14:30)

Nothing new from Albanians! It just shows your commitment to live in monoethnic state where all citizens are Albanians.

How pathetic, you want to burn ortodox churhes which Kosovo Albanian govermant claims Albanians built? No wonder you dont have any historical monuments. It seems you are masters of self distructions.

Before Pretty Ridiculous Nationalist attempts to divert attention away from the focus of the article by making up stories of state-sponsored initiatives in Belgrade to ethnically cleanse Albanians from lands they only tacitly lived in (ironically coming from someone who last week called for the expulsion of all Slavs from the Balkans), let's focus on the issue at hand: actual living proof of Serbs being forced out of Kosovo Province over the past 10 years with little to no incentive being given by Pristina to encourage them to return. Once we are able to either force Pristina to take a more active role in resettlement, or simply provide the K Serbs in Kosovo with the means and funds to do it themselves in specifically designated municipalities and under the direct sponsorship of EULEX, then we may be able to direct attention to this little nationalist's claims of Albanians at one point fictitiously controlling Nis.

Have you ever worried of returning 5 Million Albanians who now live in Turkey to Nis, Prokuple, Aleksinac Vranje. These people were autochtonous in those region and by force they were ethnically cleansed.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 11:05)

Very interesting theory about autochtonous Albanians.

My wife is from Hungary and her uncle (retired university profesor) has interesting theory regarding Albanians. According to him Albanians came from Carpat mountains. He also said that few houndred years ago Serbs were considered as Ilirians. He also mentioned that theory of Albanian being Iliarians comes from the Germans. According to him, Romanians have nothing to do to with Romans and they are more related (at least some similarities in language) to Albanians than to any other nation.

@BKK

You are just bragging,of course you can burn down the churches for now(destroying is a speciality for you,creating not)
but believe me sooner or later the americans will leave and we will be on the stronger side and then we will talk again.
Do not think that only one Serbian casualty,or burned church or even one animal out of our livestock is forgotten or forgiven.

Adrian Gashi,

Language does not define your etnicity. So do you think that Serbs are slavic because they speak slavic language?

Serbs and Croats came from Iran. But they were faster on their horses than your space ship. When they arrived your space ship was still in the air. Sorry mate.

Why does not OSCE ask for Serbia, how much money they invested for rebuilding of Albanian houses in Preshevo valley destroyed by their military forces during the conflict there? Or, how much money has Serbia paid for destroying around 300.000 houses in Kosovo???!!! In order to enable return of the Albanians from milosheviq exodus???!!!
(predictor, 12 November 2009 11:58)

Why isn't OSCE criticizing Serbia for purposefully destroying some 120,000 Albanian homes? When is Serbia going to allocate that money?
OSCE doesn't recognize Kosova so we care--not. It's another useless organization
(aRTa, 12 November 2009 15:34)

For god sake get your numbers right! If you Albanians can not agree on the correct number of destroyed house, then I dont know who will. So which number is correct 300 000 or 120 000? One of you is not telling truth.

"you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy. (BKK)"

-- Will more intelligent Albanians speak more on this site? Why must we be subjected to this type of nonsense? I mean seriously, Albanians are trying ever so hard to pass themselves off as "Europe's youngest democrats", and we have to read garbage published by little insignificant nationalists about ethnic cleansing and churches being at the mercy of people that, under the Ahtisaari Plan, are forbidden to even so much as sneeze in the general direction of a church. I mean come on. On one level, internet chat sites are a magnet for idiotic cyber trolls with nothing else better to do, but seriously, there's got to be more intelligent Albanians out there who can carry an intelligent conversation that this.

BKK

I don`t know about Macedonia,but in Montenegro there are only 5% Albanians and we are not like Macedonians to sell land to Albanians,but buyng it up from Albanians,and then they leave to America.
The point is:
you depend solely on the Americans ,alone you are to weak and underdeveloped and would be wiped out in three days by the Serbian army and you know it very well.
You will never be as developed as Serbia or reach its population numbers.
History teaches us that sheltering empires come and go,people stay.

Again we are ruling this land and funny with hired help from NATO we dont even need to shut one bullet.
(BKK, 12 November 2009 19:25)

Not for long mate!

"Again we are ruling this land and funny with hired help from NATO we dont even need to shut one bullet."
(BKK, 12 November 2009 19:25)

Have you told NATO that they are only hired help? I suspect they disagree with your observation.

NATO is your master. You don't do anything without their approval.
Did you fall in the barrel of rakija and think you are mighty?

To several posters:
* Radoslav, they can't build plants because most of the coal deposits are in Serb areas and look how Balkan transmissions liens connect to international markets, it would have to go through Serbia.
* To PRN and Milan. The 1.3 million figures is not Turkish census but research of historic records that professors have access to. The number is not 5 million and if it was they wouldn't all be form Nis, Prokuplje and areas in Serbia. Chances are majority would be from Kosovo, Albania and parts of FYROM.
* PRN, assuming this 5 million figure is true. So what. As much as 9 million Turks (http://www.pressonline.rs/sr/vesti/u_fokusu/story/62220/Verovali+ili+ne%3A+U+TURSKOJ+%C5%BDIVI+9+MILIONA+SRBA%21.html) are descednant Serbs sdtolen from Serbia (i.e. jannisaries). If the Albanians have this alledged right then Turkey is bound to forcefully convert these people or their children given the nature of the Janissaries and send them back to Serbia.
* The claims of 120,000 homes and 300,000 homes. The latter lie has been exposed as a lie and the lower numbver is closer to the truth. BNut why shoyuld Serbia pay for soemthing NATO/EU already paid for this (the only succesful post-war reconstruction in Kosovo). They probably either don't live in Kosovo and can't remember how in 1999-2002 unemployments there was 20% lower then now because of cosntruxction and UNMIK was tlaking of how Kosovo will soon be a "Balkan tiger" and have an GDP per cpaita larger then Serbia (http://www.unmikonline.org/pub/focuskos/june02/focuskeco2.htm).

(Adrian Gashi, 12 November 2009 16:59)

He did not mentioned Albanian space ship. Was the ship German?

Even Romanians speak Latin language does not make Romanians latin.

In general romanians and albanins look similar.

Only mistake we did was to allow those Serbs to Stay but dont worry we will kick them out like in Croatia and u have to keep writing blogs in protest.

you see u cant do nothing your precess churches are at our mercy.
(BKK, 12 November 2009 14:30)

Wrong, our precious churches are protected now. Go ahead, try to repeat 2004 and see what happens this time.

Language does not define your etnicity. So do you think that Serbs are slavic because they speak slavic language?
(Karamustafa, 12 November 2009 18:19)

Everyone has own idea about "ethnicity". Language is part of it. Otherwise we can look at Russians as a mix between Vikings and Mongols. Which is true - but to a certain fairly small degree only. The "geno-fond" of Norsemen and Men of Steppes simply diluted into huge All-Slavic genetic ocean. So happened with many Uralic, Ugric, Turkic people. Jews, too. For that reason these people are just "Russians".... with some unique local flavor tough.

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Serbs and Croats came from Iran.
(Karamustafa, 12 November 2009 18:19)

Some tribal leaders - yes, probably. And tribal leaders of Macedonians/Bulgarians were Volga-Bulghars, related to Tatars in Kazan' area. They got "lost" in huge Slavonic ocean after short period of time. Given the known quality of Slavonic girls, that "losing" was very much volunteer thing :-)

And I don't feel sorry for these Volga Bulghars, Subarteans or Urarteans for being "lost" in Slavonic ethnic ocean. They had mighty fun doing it.

No Surprise at all!!

First, there isn't such an intention of letting people returning (just have to read some so low level comments such as BKK to understand it...)

second, there is not intention for the one leaving abroad to return to such a no future zone, so remains the people that have no place to go and are forcly send back, poor them, but at least they will be able to see the beautiful commercial on the TV...
And who is to be blame this time..., so easy to poor hatred commnents on this site, but a bit more difficult to put the hands in the dirt to build something, what a poor mentality!!

Robertino,

That theory is not new, it has some interesting details, but in general Albanians seem to be closer to rather South like Thracia.

Antique Italia has some Illyrian, Thracian, etc. traces and there are still quite a few villages where languages resembling some Albanian dialects are still spoken. Not a good memory for East Europe, but (in)famous Italian general Giorgio Basta was of that stock.

The Albanians as they are today could be not even from a single tribe. Like, for instance, Hungarians can trace their origin to ten tribes, some of them unrelated and some not even "ugric" but "turkic".

The "hunnic" or "Illyrian" or "Celtic" tribe "confederations" were pretty lose and often they did quarrel with each others more, than with "outsiders", and blood feuds were pretty cruel.

The territory of what is Kosovo and also Metohija today there are very few if any traces of these people tough. It was very sparsely inhabited and unlike in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania: there is not much work for archeologists there.

The practical importance and relation of this to today's politics is of course zero. The last newcomers to Kosovo were technically Turks and Gypsies - but their descendants have no less rights than the most ancient Illyrians.

Besides, I have no idea who with whom and how many times did sleep 500 or 600 years ago. All I know that the "pill" wasn't invented and any of us could be the "byproduct" of fun ancient Kosovars had with each other.

Clive certainly hit the nail on the head in the very first post. The same people who ethnically cleansed the Serbs from large parts of Kosovo are supposed to bring them back? LOL. The KLA runs Kosovo! Albanians in the KLA wants all Serbs out of Kosovo like yesterday.