"What kind of nonsense are you talking about today? I have no idea what on earth you are alluding to regarding sensitive information, but if it makes you feel smart then by all means continue…"
Not the kind who wants to show others how smart I am. Somehow, I am sure you understood what i meant.
"Maybe you should concentrate on finding gainful employment instead of posting rubbish such as this. Maybe one of your friends who is international “stuff” can assist you?"
Jason,
I tell you that I choosed to study instead of doing a second job ;), I am so happy with my current job. And If assistance is needed I would not hesitate to ask my intern. stuff for it and there are many of them who are more than happy to do so ;)
P.s. Seems like you know nothing about the two incidents happened in two days.
don't try and twist my comment to try and prove some poor point.
When I say I don't like him , I mean from a political perspective.
Sometimes I get the feeling the some commentators from the serbian side, think that we K.albanians are starting to regret that we declared independence and that we wish we had remained within Serbia.
Whilst there are many problems in Kosovo today, no one at their lowest darkest moments even contemplates the idea of going back under some Serbia's influence. And that is never going to happen in the near future. Economically things haven't improved drastically but overall things are many times better than they were before the war. It is almost impossible for me to comprehed now, how we accepted to live as second class citizens in our country for so long.
Hey Troijka, I was practicing what I preach. I wasn't saying any group was better thn another because of what they did not do. I said that even countries that Kosovo Alabanians look up to have done what PRN was insulting Serbs for, so stop with the insults and start with saying what the Kosovo area is doing to better itself.
Look at serbs getting happy for some really small incident.
Dont you remember that only few years back you killed your own primeminister? (Djindjic). Dont you remember that your late President Ivan Stambolic was found killed? Dont you remember when Draskovic's car was attack by big trucks? Dont you remember how you ousted Milosevic out of his compound? Dont you remember the death threats that Boris Tadic gets all the time from serb hardliners?
Dont you remember all these?
(montenegrin, 13 November 2009 09:04)
Does yesterday's assasination attempt on Haradinaj's muppet running for office in Mitrovica count as a "really small incident" too?
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
(nikshala)
Nikshala -- i liked yr comment -- it was thoughtful and spoke to our optimism, rather than the ugly cynicism that rages around us. i don't frequently commnent about internal politics of kosovo. but i do think that democracy has a gradual evolutionary process, esp.ly with help. and w/time, it will flower in kosovo/a. ignore the haters. thanks!
roberto frisco
This is the closest we are going to get from Roberto and Nikshala that they recognise that the Snake and H are crime incorporated. It also indicates that this is acceptable to Nikshala and Roberto, which is deeply worrying. As I am sure this view is widespread amoungst the Albanian community.
Although they have a point a lot of countries are created by thieves and murders, look at the United States.
Look at serbs getting happy for some really small incident.
Dont you remember that only few years back you killed your own primeminister? (Djindjic). Dont you remember that your late President Ivan Stambolic was found killed? Dont you remember when Draskovic's car was attack by big trucks? Dont you remember how you ousted Milosevic out of his compound? Dont you remember the death threats that Boris Tadic gets all the time from serb hardliners?
Dont you remember all these?
I wouldn't mind if it occurs on separate occasions but "szemi" you completely missed out on this news item: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=11&dd=12&nav_id=62995
Sorry, Goran, I don't remember what your comment was when the the cars of the officials from Belgrade were stoned by Kosovar Serbs when crossing the border into Kosovo a while back - something similar to this, I assume?
(Amer, 12 November 2009 16:46)
I never got to see that article, could you please supply me with the link so that I can see all of the negative comments by the albanians condeming the serbs for that?
"I'm surprised none of the regular bloggers have tried to blame this on Milosevic yet. (JC)"
-- Haha, you spoke too soon! Just give some of the Albanian nutballs here time and you'll get:
"This story is lie like in Milosheviq time. I was there and no one throw stone. Just few rocks fell from cliff where Serbs paramilitarilies make mess in 1999. Kosova's heroes are united and friends! (Arsim)"
Wish Nikshala's words become true. May - after Rugova - a new intellectual leader emerge from Kosovo. With hands clean of blood, drugs and dirty money.
As for Haradinaj's car versus Thaci's car being stoned: wish both sides maximal success stoning each other. Hajrá, fiúk, elöre!
Dečani is seen as an important stronghold of the Ramush Haradinaj-led AAK party.
Thaci's party accused Haradinaj of directly inciting and organizing last night's attack, Croatia's state news agency Hina reported.
I knew about the north and the south of this region, but not about some criminal related strongholds...
Back to the stone age or maybe modern time of the sharia :)
Congratulation to the police, what a swift arrest... so if they want they can, "yes we can" but most of the time we don't want!!
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
(nikshala)
Nikshala -- i liked yr comment -- it was thoughtful and spoke to our optimism, rather than the ugly cynicism that rages around us. i don't frequently commnent about internal politics of kosovo. but i do think that democracy has a gradual evolutionary process, esp.ly with help. and w/time, it will flower in kosovo/a. ignore the haters. thanks!
Do I smell a gang-bang on the horizon?
(Mike, 12 November 2009 14:32)
You would not be far off Mike. What you have here is 2 crime bosses; the Snake muscleling in on a rival boss's territory to stake his claim on the proceeds. You see the Snake aint stupid. He knows that Haradinaj's is making a mint so he wants a piece of the cut.
Usually when that happens you get the kidnappings and drive by shootings coupled with all the bad and nasty gangsta rap. All that is missing is the south central LA Compton background, Cripps and Bloods.
Might have been another one stolen from a famous soccer player [link] .While albanians are all time underachivers at sports it must be admitted that they are world champions at stealing cars.
(szemi, 12 November 2009 12:45)
Szemi, you just made my day,i was laughing loud while reading it! This was a nice report, it was good news for the star Gennaro Gattuso!I wish Ataman would make a comment about it. Good job Tirana police,good thing there cops in Tirana that takes their jobs seriously.
Albania may become the first country of stolen car tourism.People from all over the world will flood the country in search of their stolen car.Thieves will leave a brochure in the owner's post box then take the car.The brochure will say:Come to albania the country of beatiful mountains and sea.You can ride donkeys and if lucky you can even find your long missing car.
My comment regarding albanians not wanting to be part of Yugoslavia was related to my comment about albanians not being wanted in Yougoslavia and Serbia's continous intetion to change the population make up. There is a big difference towards the attutidu of Serbia and EU towards Kosovo, therefore the you cannot really compare teh fact that we want to be in EU to us not wanting to be part of Serbia.
I believe the number of albanians that came from Albania is greatly inflated by serbian side. All i can say that in all my life I have never met any albanian in Kosovo who had come from Albania after WW2. Everyone i now can trace their family roots in Kosovo for at least a 100 years. So this belief that serbs have that most K.albanians in Kosovo today came from Albania after WW2, is simply wrong.
I am sure that some did come, but not in the number to affect the population make up to any significant effect. Based on any records even from Serbian side, serbs have not made 50% of population for centuries.
This is all irrelevant to be honest and don't want to go deeper into that.
As far as north of Kosovo is concerned, I agree, there is a element of hypocrisy there. Regardless of the fact that I disagree with the events and background that make serbs in North of Kosovo want to secede, I accept that thats what they believe, and in the end thats what matters - historic events are always open to different interpretations.
If serbs in north of Kosovo feel the same way that we albanians feel about the idea of being left within Serbia, than I can't see how north will be integrated in the near future.
Yes, there must be some conspiracy against you! That or there is some limitation on how many ignorant posts one can put up per week. I think you have exceeded yours...
(Jason, 12 November 2009 16:44)
Talking about ignorance,you should read your own coments once in the while.
Its one thing when assassinations & blood feuds happen 100 years ago or when 40% voter turnout happens in long-time democracies but when most of these things, PLUS gang-style violence by supporters of opposing political parties & against international police all happen TODAY at the same time in Europe's 'newest independent state' unrecognized by most of the world, then you KNOW it's a FAILURE. Even Clinton knew it.
This story is lie like in Milosheviq time. I was there and no one throw stone. Just few rocks fell from cliff where Serbs paramilitarilies make mess in 1999. Kosova's heroes are united and friends!
"Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
(Goran., 12 November 2009 15:10) "
Sorry, Goran, I don't remember what your comment was when the the cars of the officials from Belgrade were stoned by Kosovar Serbs when crossing the border into Kosovo a while back - something similar to this, I assume?
If my name was : Jason,Goran,gojko,cvele,MikeC,Peggy, etc... I am sure you would be able to read my coment.
(Kosova-USA, 12 November 2009 16:20)
Yes, there must be some conspiracy against you! That or there is some limitation on how many ignorant posts one can put up per week. I think you have exceeded yours...
Nikshala - Some interesting comments and ideas but I have to take issue with some of them and put some into context.
"wanting to govern ourselves and have full control of our fate" This isn't democracy, this is nationalism. But taking your assumption that it is democracy then you should have no arguments against the Serbs in northern Kosovo becoming independent and determining their own fate, and also the Serbs in Bosnia and the Serbs in Krajina, yet many "famous/notorious" Albanians were fighting against Serbs in Croatia to deny Serb independence in Krajina yet demand independence for Kosovo - isn't that hypocracy?
"Serbs are probably the most nationalist people in the Balkans" That prize I think goes to the Croats.
"In some ways you are right - albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia /Serbia, but during Tito were willing to accept it." So what was so bad about Yugoslavia? It was a big mix of different ethnicities which all had the opportunity to have their say in government and therefore determine Yugoslavia's internal and external policies. So you could quite easily have created the amazing democracy that you keep talking about.
The most worrying question about Albanians is this. If as a minority of yugoslavia they couldn't completely control everything, they decided that they wanted independence instead because they weren't happy. So why is it that you want to be a part of Europe?? You won't be able to control anything. You'll be told what to do!! Or do you plan to use Europe to try to improve your standard of living only to then declare that you no longer want to be a part of it? Again, this smacks of hypocracy, one minute wanting one policy that suits you, the next, turning the same policy on it's head to suit you!!
"During Tito there was relative peace and prosperity." That's because Tito was as wily as a fox. He played the West and the East off against each other and in return managed to obtain hundreds of billions of dollars of aid and development cash. So life in yugoslavia was built on a myth. This high standard of living was paid for by the West and the East, both trying to influence Tito.
"The 10 year opression under Milosevic was horrible " I don't think anybody would dispute that.
"throughout those 100 years they have continually tried to get rid of albanian population through both violent and non-violent means." You keep conveniently forgetting Tito and the fact that after WWII he prevented hundreds of thousands of displaced Serbs to go and live back in Kosovo even though they had property there and had always lived there, plus the fact that thousands of Albanians came into Kosovo from Albania after WWII to escape the communist regime. Tito deliberately discriminated against the Serbs in Kosovo which is why there is such a huge imbalance in the population. Without Tito the Serb/Albanian population in Kosovo would be nearer 50/50 or 40/60 today.
I really don't understand this...this is meant to be a K-Albanian leader and his line of cars which were attacked with stones? Kosova-USA hasnt even commented (YET)!!!!!!! troika is absolutely calm and the rest are quiet?!?!?!?!
I'm guessing it would be a completely different situation if Serbs were behind the attack, oh god, then there would be more negative albanian comments on here than there were seaguls flocking when a 3 tonne truck transporting bread rolled over on a freeway along the beach.
If albanians commit a crime then its all good, they have the right too. But if its Serbs, then watch out.
Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
(Goran., 12 November 2009 15:10)
oh, but I have written a coment,which has not been posted.
If my name was : Jason,Goran,gojko,cvele,MikeC,Peggy, etc... I am sure you would be able to read my coment.
“Why for every bit of news about Kosovo u jump to say something Negative never good enough.”
(Bilbao, 12 November 2009 11:33)
I responded to a negative post from a Kosovo Albanian, it is not like I came out of the blue with this.
@K-AL
“You again talking about the 'official-sensitive' information you get officialy-your work? Well, I've heard this kind from int. stuff, just like you're talking now, may be worse. There are some things I know for sure and are true but time will come Jason ;)”
Cheers
(K-AL, 12 November 2009 14:24)
What kind of nonsense are you talking about today? I have no idea what on earth you are alluding to regarding sensitive information, but if it makes you feel smart then by all means continue…
Maybe you should concentrate on finding gainful employment instead of posting rubbish such as this. Maybe one of your friends who is international “stuff” can assist you?
I really don't understand this...this is meant to be a K-Albanian leader and his line of cars which were attacked with stones? Kosova-USA hasnt even commented (YET)!!!!!!! troika is absolutely calm and the rest are quiet?!?!?!?!
I'm guessing it would be a completely different situation if Serbs were behind the attack, oh god, then there would be more negative albanian comments on here than there were seaguls flocking when a 3 tonne truck transporting bread rolled over on a freeway along the beach.
If albanians commit a crime then its all good, they have the right too. But if its Serbs, then watch out.
Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
They are like gang members who can't enter the territory of the others. Yeah, Kosovo surely acts like a modern day democratic society. Perhaps Belgrade should be happy not having to deal with this mentality amongs the albanians in its southern province. Let the West tame them.
(MikeC, 12 November 2009 13:10)
Welcome to Europes Utopia, what a joke state and what a bunch of immature crooks the have in charge.
Albanians behonest can you say your life has improved in the slightest???? i mean your leader no one in free think world respects. Also Kosovo is becoming a nightmare for the west just like Afghanistan...
I mean didnt your leader say Russian would recognise KosovO not Kosova, and Lavrov told him to ssssh and your leader did hahaha
But i mean its Albanian trait to do what your told to do isnt it ;) Ottomans, Germans, Italians and now Nato
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA
ZIVELI Vuk ;)
We are born with Kosovo in our heart and souls and blood no one can take this from Serbs No One!!!
You again talking about the 'official-sensitive' information you get officialy-your work? Well, I've heard this kind from int. stuff, just like you're talking now, may be worse. There are some things I know for sure and are true but time will come Jason ;), for everyone...
P.s. Read the comments on the other article... (10.11.09)
They are like gang members who can't enter the territory of the others. Yeah, Kosovo surely acts like a modern day democratic society. Perhaps Belgrade should be happy not having to deal with this mentality amongs the albanians in its southern province. Let the West tame them.
Troika Medlb: "He also has talked to the minoritys like a leader even in their language."
Good grief! THEIR language? You mean Serbian, the language of the nation of which Kosovo is still legally a province? The nation that before the Kosovo war had street signs, education and literature available in the Albanian language to a far greater extent than most Western European nations would offer a single ethnic group.
He spoke in the language that I assume he received his state paid education, as a citizen of Serbia, so I am sure that it wasn't too much of a hardship for him to recall.
Lucky for him he wasn't that poor UN translator in Pristina who was tricked into answering a question in Serbian and was then brutally murdered for doing so.
Still, I am sure that the US-UK spin machine painted that as pent up frustration and a warranted 'revenge' killing.
I think sometime it is quite hard to distinguish between the Democracy and Nationalism, and they usually overlap. Our strive to be independent is based both on democracy ideals (wanting to govern ourselves and have full control of our fate), and to a certian degree our nationailst ideals. Serbs are probably the most nationalist people in the Balkans, and to reasonable degree thats not such a bad thing.
In some ways you are right - albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia /Serbia, but during Tito were willing to accept it. While most would have hoped for independence, only a minority were willing to do someting about it then. During Tito there was relative peace and prosperity. The 10 year opression under Milosevic was horrible - please do not dispute this because you lose some any credibilty that you have, its a fact, i personally experienced this but I wont go into that - and that was the catalyst for the recent events.
You are also forgeting to mention that one of the main reasons that albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia / Serbia, is because serbs themselves did not want the albanains in Yugoslavia / Serbia but only the land, and throughout those 100 years they have continually tried to get rid of albanian population through both violent and non-violent means. Until recently it was public and open state policy. Now, you can dispute that for the sake of not agreeing with an albanian view, but you know yourself that it is true. Most serbs do but they don't admit it.
So to understand why albanains never wanted to be part of Serbia, you have to look at things from our perspective as well, and I am sure that if you were in our position you would feel the same way.
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
USA- American killed John F. Kennedy
USA- American tried to kill Ronald Reagan
USA- AMerican tried to kill Gerald Ford
(kujon, 12 November 2009 10:57)
Its' not all:
1881 - killed US president James A. Garfield
1901 - killed US president William McKinley
and were attempts to kill US presidents - Andrew Jackson (1835), Theodore Roosevelt (1912), Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933), Harry Truman (1950), Richard Nixon (1974), Jimmy Carter (1979), George Bush (1993), Bill Clinton - three times in 1994!!, George W. Bush 2 times in 2001 and one in 2005.
So - 4 american presidents killed, and 11!! attacked.
Guys, calm down.Kosoov is no heaven in earth. That was just little of tension between rival party supporters just like everywhere in Balkans but in slammer scale. No need to antagonise.
Radoslav&Co, thank you for a Milosevic propaganda lecture in which you dont belive either.
I wonder what car the taxpayers of EU have bought for The Snake?
Audi A8, Mercedes 600 or something even fancier?
(Srboslav, 12 November 2009 10:02)
Might have been another one stolen from a famous soccer player http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/11/12/1620066/milan-star-gennaro-gattusos-stolen-jeep-found-in-albania .While albanians are all time underachivers at sports it must be admitted that they are world champions at stealing cars.
PRN - "At least we DONT have any history of killing our Prime Minsiters or Kings."
That's because you've never fought for democracy. So to answer the floodgate of albo comments that will claim that Kosovo was a fight about democracy, don't waste your time. There is a big difference between Serbs killing their king/president and the albanian terrorism in Kosovo.
Firstly, it looks like Serbia is in good company - the US, UK, France, to name but a few have all killed their presidents/kings so maybe you admire Serbia - that's a good start for reconciliation. Secondly, Kosovo's "independence" has been an albanian NATIONALIST project for 100 years and a big chunk of that time was spent in Yugoslavia being ruled by Tito. Even then you wanted independence when there was no discrimination (there wasn't any under Milosevic either but that's another argument). That's why it's so easy to see how albanians weren't fighting for freedom/democracy, but for a NATIONALIST idea/agenda. Blaming the Serbs (after committing terrorism) was just a great excuse handed onto a plate for you by Milosevic.
Kosovo has nothing to do with democracy, it has everything to do with a greater Albania as many albanian commentators on here have admitted to.
what goes around comes around though. when the EU and US hav no more use for albanians and a conflict arises in the region, there's a good chance that the albo's will bear the brunt of their actions again.
At least we DONT have any history of killing our Prime Minsiters or Kings.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 10:
No, instead you have a history of killing of potential candidates before they even get elected. Look at the blood on the hands of the klans associated with Haradinaj and Thachi. You know they eliminated their competition, no?
"
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
John F. Kennedy
Please stop with the 'we are better than you because we don't...'"
Maybe you should stop with, there are worst out there becouse.
"Please start with the 'We are trying to be better as a people by...'
(kujon"
A bit of a hyporcrit there kujon, practice what you preach would be suitable here.
As for Mr Thaci, he knew were he was going, he faced those people like a leader, they expressed their opinion.
He also has talked to the minoritys like a leader even in their language, the voters still have their opinion. He sure wont regret not trying.
This is nothing to worry. This is an election campaign and situation is getting warm just days before election date.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 10:20)
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Yes PRN, this is the type of democracy you keep talking about.
Isn't it amazing how quickly criminals can be found and arrested when Serbians are not the victims?
Not sure of your point there. Kosovo may not have killed their president - yet. But doing so unfortunately does happen/
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
USA- American killed John F. Kennedy
USA- American tried to kill Ronald Reagan
USA- AMerican tried to kill Gerald Ford
Will Kosovo tell America they are inferior? Probably not.
Please stop with the 'we are better than you because we don't...'
Please start with the 'We are trying to be better as a people by...'
At least we DONT have any history of killing our Prime Minsiters or Kings.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 10:
No, instead you have a history of killing of potential candidates before they even get elected. Look at the blood on the hands of the klans associated with Haradinaj and Thachi. You know they eliminated their competition, no?
PRN - "At least we DONT have any history of killing our Prime Minsiters or Kings."
That's because you've never fought for democracy. So to answer the floodgate of albo comments that will claim that Kosovo was a fight about democracy, don't waste your time. There is a big difference between Serbs killing their king/president and the albanian terrorism in Kosovo.
Firstly, it looks like Serbia is in good company - the US, UK, France, to name but a few have all killed their presidents/kings so maybe you admire Serbia - that's a good start for reconciliation. Secondly, Kosovo's "independence" has been an albanian NATIONALIST project for 100 years and a big chunk of that time was spent in Yugoslavia being ruled by Tito. Even then you wanted independence when there was no discrimination (there wasn't any under Milosevic either but that's another argument). That's why it's so easy to see how albanians weren't fighting for freedom/democracy, but for a NATIONALIST idea/agenda. Blaming the Serbs (after committing terrorism) was just a great excuse handed onto a plate for you by Milosevic.
Kosovo has nothing to do with democracy, it has everything to do with a greater Albania as many albanian commentators on here have admitted to.
what goes around comes around though. when the EU and US hav no more use for albanians and a conflict arises in the region, there's a good chance that the albo's will bear the brunt of their actions again.
Not sure of your point there. Kosovo may not have killed their president - yet. But doing so unfortunately does happen/
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
USA- American killed John F. Kennedy
USA- American tried to kill Ronald Reagan
USA- AMerican tried to kill Gerald Ford
Will Kosovo tell America they are inferior? Probably not.
Please stop with the 'we are better than you because we don't...'
Please start with the 'We are trying to be better as a people by...'
If my name was : Jason,Goran,gojko,cvele,MikeC,Peggy, etc... I am sure you would be able to read my coment.
(Kosova-USA, 12 November 2009 16:20)
Yes, there must be some conspiracy against you! That or there is some limitation on how many ignorant posts one can put up per week. I think you have exceeded yours...
Nikshala - Some interesting comments and ideas but I have to take issue with some of them and put some into context.
"wanting to govern ourselves and have full control of our fate" This isn't democracy, this is nationalism. But taking your assumption that it is democracy then you should have no arguments against the Serbs in northern Kosovo becoming independent and determining their own fate, and also the Serbs in Bosnia and the Serbs in Krajina, yet many "famous/notorious" Albanians were fighting against Serbs in Croatia to deny Serb independence in Krajina yet demand independence for Kosovo - isn't that hypocracy?
"Serbs are probably the most nationalist people in the Balkans" That prize I think goes to the Croats.
"In some ways you are right - albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia /Serbia, but during Tito were willing to accept it." So what was so bad about Yugoslavia? It was a big mix of different ethnicities which all had the opportunity to have their say in government and therefore determine Yugoslavia's internal and external policies. So you could quite easily have created the amazing democracy that you keep talking about.
The most worrying question about Albanians is this. If as a minority of yugoslavia they couldn't completely control everything, they decided that they wanted independence instead because they weren't happy. So why is it that you want to be a part of Europe?? You won't be able to control anything. You'll be told what to do!! Or do you plan to use Europe to try to improve your standard of living only to then declare that you no longer want to be a part of it? Again, this smacks of hypocracy, one minute wanting one policy that suits you, the next, turning the same policy on it's head to suit you!!
"During Tito there was relative peace and prosperity." That's because Tito was as wily as a fox. He played the West and the East off against each other and in return managed to obtain hundreds of billions of dollars of aid and development cash. So life in yugoslavia was built on a myth. This high standard of living was paid for by the West and the East, both trying to influence Tito.
"The 10 year opression under Milosevic was horrible " I don't think anybody would dispute that.
"throughout those 100 years they have continually tried to get rid of albanian population through both violent and non-violent means." You keep conveniently forgetting Tito and the fact that after WWII he prevented hundreds of thousands of displaced Serbs to go and live back in Kosovo even though they had property there and had always lived there, plus the fact that thousands of Albanians came into Kosovo from Albania after WWII to escape the communist regime. Tito deliberately discriminated against the Serbs in Kosovo which is why there is such a huge imbalance in the population. Without Tito the Serb/Albanian population in Kosovo would be nearer 50/50 or 40/60 today.
This is nothing to worry. This is an election campaign and situation is getting warm just days before election date.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 10:20)
--
Yes PRN, this is the type of democracy you keep talking about.
Isn't it amazing how quickly criminals can be found and arrested when Serbians are not the victims?
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
USA- American killed John F. Kennedy
USA- American tried to kill Ronald Reagan
USA- AMerican tried to kill Gerald Ford
(kujon, 12 November 2009 10:57)
Its' not all:
1881 - killed US president James A. Garfield
1901 - killed US president William McKinley
and were attempts to kill US presidents - Andrew Jackson (1835), Theodore Roosevelt (1912), Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933), Harry Truman (1950), Richard Nixon (1974), Jimmy Carter (1979), George Bush (1993), Bill Clinton - three times in 1994!!, George W. Bush 2 times in 2001 and one in 2005.
So - 4 american presidents killed, and 11!! attacked.
“Why for every bit of news about Kosovo u jump to say something Negative never good enough.”
(Bilbao, 12 November 2009 11:33)
I responded to a negative post from a Kosovo Albanian, it is not like I came out of the blue with this.
@K-AL
“You again talking about the 'official-sensitive' information you get officialy-your work? Well, I've heard this kind from int. stuff, just like you're talking now, may be worse. There are some things I know for sure and are true but time will come Jason ;)”
Cheers
(K-AL, 12 November 2009 14:24)
What kind of nonsense are you talking about today? I have no idea what on earth you are alluding to regarding sensitive information, but if it makes you feel smart then by all means continue…
Maybe you should concentrate on finding gainful employment instead of posting rubbish such as this. Maybe one of your friends who is international “stuff” can assist you?
Do I smell a gang-bang on the horizon?
(Mike, 12 November 2009 14:32)
You would not be far off Mike. What you have here is 2 crime bosses; the Snake muscleling in on a rival boss's territory to stake his claim on the proceeds. You see the Snake aint stupid. He knows that Haradinaj's is making a mint so he wants a piece of the cut.
Usually when that happens you get the kidnappings and drive by shootings coupled with all the bad and nasty gangsta rap. All that is missing is the south central LA Compton background, Cripps and Bloods.
They are like gang members who can't enter the territory of the others. Yeah, Kosovo surely acts like a modern day democratic society. Perhaps Belgrade should be happy not having to deal with this mentality amongs the albanians in its southern province. Let the West tame them.
I really don't understand this...this is meant to be a K-Albanian leader and his line of cars which were attacked with stones? Kosova-USA hasnt even commented (YET)!!!!!!! troika is absolutely calm and the rest are quiet?!?!?!?!
I'm guessing it would be a completely different situation if Serbs were behind the attack, oh god, then there would be more negative albanian comments on here than there were seaguls flocking when a 3 tonne truck transporting bread rolled over on a freeway along the beach.
If albanians commit a crime then its all good, they have the right too. But if its Serbs, then watch out.
Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
Its one thing when assassinations & blood feuds happen 100 years ago or when 40% voter turnout happens in long-time democracies but when most of these things, PLUS gang-style violence by supporters of opposing political parties & against international police all happen TODAY at the same time in Europe's 'newest independent state' unrecognized by most of the world, then you KNOW it's a FAILURE. Even Clinton knew it.
I wonder what car the taxpayers of EU have bought for The Snake?
Audi A8, Mercedes 600 or something even fancier?
(Srboslav, 12 November 2009 10:02)
Might have been another one stolen from a famous soccer player http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/11/12/1620066/milan-star-gennaro-gattusos-stolen-jeep-found-in-albania .While albanians are all time underachivers at sports it must be admitted that they are world champions at stealing cars.
Welcome to Europes Utopia, what a joke state and what a bunch of immature crooks the have in charge.
Albanians behonest can you say your life has improved in the slightest???? i mean your leader no one in free think world respects. Also Kosovo is becoming a nightmare for the west just like Afghanistan...
I mean didnt your leader say Russian would recognise KosovO not Kosova, and Lavrov told him to ssssh and your leader did hahaha
But i mean its Albanian trait to do what your told to do isnt it ;) Ottomans, Germans, Italians and now Nato
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA
ZIVELI Vuk ;)
We are born with Kosovo in our heart and souls and blood no one can take this from Serbs No One!!!
I think sometime it is quite hard to distinguish between the Democracy and Nationalism, and they usually overlap. Our strive to be independent is based both on democracy ideals (wanting to govern ourselves and have full control of our fate), and to a certian degree our nationailst ideals. Serbs are probably the most nationalist people in the Balkans, and to reasonable degree thats not such a bad thing.
In some ways you are right - albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia /Serbia, but during Tito were willing to accept it. While most would have hoped for independence, only a minority were willing to do someting about it then. During Tito there was relative peace and prosperity. The 10 year opression under Milosevic was horrible - please do not dispute this because you lose some any credibilty that you have, its a fact, i personally experienced this but I wont go into that - and that was the catalyst for the recent events.
You are also forgeting to mention that one of the main reasons that albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia / Serbia, is because serbs themselves did not want the albanains in Yugoslavia / Serbia but only the land, and throughout those 100 years they have continually tried to get rid of albanian population through both violent and non-violent means. Until recently it was public and open state policy. Now, you can dispute that for the sake of not agreeing with an albanian view, but you know yourself that it is true. Most serbs do but they don't admit it.
So to understand why albanains never wanted to be part of Serbia, you have to look at things from our perspective as well, and I am sure that if you were in our position you would feel the same way.
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
Guys, calm down.Kosoov is no heaven in earth. That was just little of tension between rival party supporters just like everywhere in Balkans but in slammer scale. No need to antagonise.
Radoslav&Co, thank you for a Milosevic propaganda lecture in which you dont belive either.
Troika Medlb: "He also has talked to the minoritys like a leader even in their language."
Good grief! THEIR language? You mean Serbian, the language of the nation of which Kosovo is still legally a province? The nation that before the Kosovo war had street signs, education and literature available in the Albanian language to a far greater extent than most Western European nations would offer a single ethnic group.
He spoke in the language that I assume he received his state paid education, as a citizen of Serbia, so I am sure that it wasn't too much of a hardship for him to recall.
Lucky for him he wasn't that poor UN translator in Pristina who was tricked into answering a question in Serbian and was then brutally murdered for doing so.
Still, I am sure that the US-UK spin machine painted that as pent up frustration and a warranted 'revenge' killing.
Albania may become the first country of stolen car tourism.People from all over the world will flood the country in search of their stolen car.Thieves will leave a brochure in the owner's post box then take the car.The brochure will say:Come to albania the country of beatiful mountains and sea.You can ride donkeys and if lucky you can even find your long missing car.
My comment regarding albanians not wanting to be part of Yugoslavia was related to my comment about albanians not being wanted in Yougoslavia and Serbia's continous intetion to change the population make up. There is a big difference towards the attutidu of Serbia and EU towards Kosovo, therefore the you cannot really compare teh fact that we want to be in EU to us not wanting to be part of Serbia.
I believe the number of albanians that came from Albania is greatly inflated by serbian side. All i can say that in all my life I have never met any albanian in Kosovo who had come from Albania after WW2. Everyone i now can trace their family roots in Kosovo for at least a 100 years. So this belief that serbs have that most K.albanians in Kosovo today came from Albania after WW2, is simply wrong.
I am sure that some did come, but not in the number to affect the population make up to any significant effect. Based on any records even from Serbian side, serbs have not made 50% of population for centuries.
This is all irrelevant to be honest and don't want to go deeper into that.
As far as north of Kosovo is concerned, I agree, there is a element of hypocrisy there. Regardless of the fact that I disagree with the events and background that make serbs in North of Kosovo want to secede, I accept that thats what they believe, and in the end thats what matters - historic events are always open to different interpretations.
If serbs in north of Kosovo feel the same way that we albanians feel about the idea of being left within Serbia, than I can't see how north will be integrated in the near future.
"Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
(Goran., 12 November 2009 15:10) "
Sorry, Goran, I don't remember what your comment was when the the cars of the officials from Belgrade were stoned by Kosovar Serbs when crossing the border into Kosovo a while back - something similar to this, I assume?
I really don't understand this...this is meant to be a K-Albanian leader and his line of cars which were attacked with stones? Kosova-USA hasnt even commented (YET)!!!!!!! troika is absolutely calm and the rest are quiet?!?!?!?!
I'm guessing it would be a completely different situation if Serbs were behind the attack, oh god, then there would be more negative albanian comments on here than there were seaguls flocking when a 3 tonne truck transporting bread rolled over on a freeway along the beach.
If albanians commit a crime then its all good, they have the right too. But if its Serbs, then watch out.
Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
(Goran., 12 November 2009 15:10)
oh, but I have written a coment,which has not been posted.
If my name was : Jason,Goran,gojko,cvele,MikeC,Peggy, etc... I am sure you would be able to read my coment.
Look at serbs getting happy for some really small incident.
Dont you remember that only few years back you killed your own primeminister? (Djindjic). Dont you remember that your late President Ivan Stambolic was found killed? Dont you remember when Draskovic's car was attack by big trucks? Dont you remember how you ousted Milosevic out of his compound? Dont you remember the death threats that Boris Tadic gets all the time from serb hardliners?
Dont you remember all these?
(montenegrin, 13 November 2009 09:04)
Does yesterday's assasination attempt on Haradinaj's muppet running for office in Mitrovica count as a "really small incident" too?
"
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
John F. Kennedy
Please stop with the 'we are better than you because we don't...'"
Maybe you should stop with, there are worst out there becouse.
"Please start with the 'We are trying to be better as a people by...'
(kujon"
A bit of a hyporcrit there kujon, practice what you preach would be suitable here.
As for Mr Thaci, he knew were he was going, he faced those people like a leader, they expressed their opinion.
He also has talked to the minoritys like a leader even in their language, the voters still have their opinion. He sure wont regret not trying.
They are like gang members who can't enter the territory of the others. Yeah, Kosovo surely acts like a modern day democratic society. Perhaps Belgrade should be happy not having to deal with this mentality amongs the albanians in its southern province. Let the West tame them.
(MikeC, 12 November 2009 13:10)
Might have been another one stolen from a famous soccer player [link] .While albanians are all time underachivers at sports it must be admitted that they are world champions at stealing cars.
(szemi, 12 November 2009 12:45)
Szemi, you just made my day,i was laughing loud while reading it! This was a nice report, it was good news for the star Gennaro Gattuso!I wish Ataman would make a comment about it. Good job Tirana police,good thing there cops in Tirana that takes their jobs seriously.
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
(nikshala)
Nikshala -- i liked yr comment -- it was thoughtful and spoke to our optimism, rather than the ugly cynicism that rages around us. i don't frequently commnent about internal politics of kosovo. but i do think that democracy has a gradual evolutionary process, esp.ly with help. and w/time, it will flower in kosovo/a. ignore the haters. thanks!
This story is lie like in Milosheviq time. I was there and no one throw stone. Just few rocks fell from cliff where Serbs paramilitarilies make mess in 1999. Kosova's heroes are united and friends!
Yes, there must be some conspiracy against you! That or there is some limitation on how many ignorant posts one can put up per week. I think you have exceeded yours...
(Jason, 12 November 2009 16:44)
Talking about ignorance,you should read your own coments once in the while.
Look at serbs getting happy for some really small incident.
Dont you remember that only few years back you killed your own primeminister? (Djindjic). Dont you remember that your late President Ivan Stambolic was found killed? Dont you remember when Draskovic's car was attack by big trucks? Dont you remember how you ousted Milosevic out of his compound? Dont you remember the death threats that Boris Tadic gets all the time from serb hardliners?
Dont you remember all these?
don't try and twist my comment to try and prove some poor point.
When I say I don't like him , I mean from a political perspective.
Sometimes I get the feeling the some commentators from the serbian side, think that we K.albanians are starting to regret that we declared independence and that we wish we had remained within Serbia.
Whilst there are many problems in Kosovo today, no one at their lowest darkest moments even contemplates the idea of going back under some Serbia's influence. And that is never going to happen in the near future. Economically things haven't improved drastically but overall things are many times better than they were before the war. It is almost impossible for me to comprehed now, how we accepted to live as second class citizens in our country for so long.
You again talking about the 'official-sensitive' information you get officialy-your work? Well, I've heard this kind from int. stuff, just like you're talking now, may be worse. There are some things I know for sure and are true but time will come Jason ;), for everyone...
P.s. Read the comments on the other article... (10.11.09)
Sorry, Goran, I don't remember what your comment was when the the cars of the officials from Belgrade were stoned by Kosovar Serbs when crossing the border into Kosovo a while back - something similar to this, I assume?
(Amer, 12 November 2009 16:46)
I never got to see that article, could you please supply me with the link so that I can see all of the negative comments by the albanians condeming the serbs for that?
I wouldn't mind if it occurs on separate occasions but "szemi" you completely missed out on this news item: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=11&dd=12&nav_id=62995
Dečani is seen as an important stronghold of the Ramush Haradinaj-led AAK party.
Thaci's party accused Haradinaj of directly inciting and organizing last night's attack, Croatia's state news agency Hina reported.
I knew about the north and the south of this region, but not about some criminal related strongholds...
Back to the stone age or maybe modern time of the sharia :)
Congratulation to the police, what a swift arrest... so if they want they can, "yes we can" but most of the time we don't want!!
"I'm surprised none of the regular bloggers have tried to blame this on Milosevic yet. (JC)"
-- Haha, you spoke too soon! Just give some of the Albanian nutballs here time and you'll get:
"This story is lie like in Milosheviq time. I was there and no one throw stone. Just few rocks fell from cliff where Serbs paramilitarilies make mess in 1999. Kosova's heroes are united and friends! (Arsim)"
Wish Nikshala's words become true. May - after Rugova - a new intellectual leader emerge from Kosovo. With hands clean of blood, drugs and dirty money.
As for Haradinaj's car versus Thaci's car being stoned: wish both sides maximal success stoning each other. Hajrá, fiúk, elöre!
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
(nikshala)
Nikshala -- i liked yr comment -- it was thoughtful and spoke to our optimism, rather than the ugly cynicism that rages around us. i don't frequently commnent about internal politics of kosovo. but i do think that democracy has a gradual evolutionary process, esp.ly with help. and w/time, it will flower in kosovo/a. ignore the haters. thanks!
roberto frisco
This is the closest we are going to get from Roberto and Nikshala that they recognise that the Snake and H are crime incorporated. It also indicates that this is acceptable to Nikshala and Roberto, which is deeply worrying. As I am sure this view is widespread amoungst the Albanian community.
Although they have a point a lot of countries are created by thieves and murders, look at the United States.
"What kind of nonsense are you talking about today? I have no idea what on earth you are alluding to regarding sensitive information, but if it makes you feel smart then by all means continue…"
Not the kind who wants to show others how smart I am. Somehow, I am sure you understood what i meant.
"Maybe you should concentrate on finding gainful employment instead of posting rubbish such as this. Maybe one of your friends who is international “stuff” can assist you?"
Jason,
I tell you that I choosed to study instead of doing a second job ;), I am so happy with my current job. And If assistance is needed I would not hesitate to ask my intern. stuff for it and there are many of them who are more than happy to do so ;)
P.s. Seems like you know nothing about the two incidents happened in two days.
Hey Troijka, I was practicing what I preach. I wasn't saying any group was better thn another because of what they did not do. I said that even countries that Kosovo Alabanians look up to have done what PRN was insulting Serbs for, so stop with the insults and start with saying what the Kosovo area is doing to better itself.
I really don't understand this...this is meant to be a K-Albanian leader and his line of cars which were attacked with stones? Kosova-USA hasnt even commented (YET)!!!!!!! troika is absolutely calm and the rest are quiet?!?!?!?!
I'm guessing it would be a completely different situation if Serbs were behind the attack, oh god, then there would be more negative albanian comments on here than there were seaguls flocking when a 3 tonne truck transporting bread rolled over on a freeway along the beach.
If albanians commit a crime then its all good, they have the right too. But if its Serbs, then watch out.
Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
(Goran., 12 November 2009 15:10)
oh, but I have written a coment,which has not been posted.
If my name was : Jason,Goran,gojko,cvele,MikeC,Peggy, etc... I am sure you would be able to read my coment.
This story is lie like in Milosheviq time. I was there and no one throw stone. Just few rocks fell from cliff where Serbs paramilitarilies make mess in 1999. Kosova's heroes are united and friends!
"
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
John F. Kennedy
Please stop with the 'we are better than you because we don't...'"
Maybe you should stop with, there are worst out there becouse.
"Please start with the 'We are trying to be better as a people by...'
(kujon"
A bit of a hyporcrit there kujon, practice what you preach would be suitable here.
As for Mr Thaci, he knew were he was going, he faced those people like a leader, they expressed their opinion.
He also has talked to the minoritys like a leader even in their language, the voters still have their opinion. He sure wont regret not trying.
Guys, calm down.Kosoov is no heaven in earth. That was just little of tension between rival party supporters just like everywhere in Balkans but in slammer scale. No need to antagonise.
Radoslav&Co, thank you for a Milosevic propaganda lecture in which you dont belive either.
"Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
(Goran., 12 November 2009 15:10) "
Sorry, Goran, I don't remember what your comment was when the the cars of the officials from Belgrade were stoned by Kosovar Serbs when crossing the border into Kosovo a while back - something similar to this, I assume?
They are like gang members who can't enter the territory of the others. Yeah, Kosovo surely acts like a modern day democratic society. Perhaps Belgrade should be happy not having to deal with this mentality amongs the albanians in its southern province. Let the West tame them.
(MikeC, 12 November 2009 13:10)
At least we DONT have any history of killing our Prime Minsiters or Kings.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 10:
No, instead you have a history of killing of potential candidates before they even get elected. Look at the blood on the hands of the klans associated with Haradinaj and Thachi. You know they eliminated their competition, no?
PRN - "At least we DONT have any history of killing our Prime Minsiters or Kings."
That's because you've never fought for democracy. So to answer the floodgate of albo comments that will claim that Kosovo was a fight about democracy, don't waste your time. There is a big difference between Serbs killing their king/president and the albanian terrorism in Kosovo.
Firstly, it looks like Serbia is in good company - the US, UK, France, to name but a few have all killed their presidents/kings so maybe you admire Serbia - that's a good start for reconciliation. Secondly, Kosovo's "independence" has been an albanian NATIONALIST project for 100 years and a big chunk of that time was spent in Yugoslavia being ruled by Tito. Even then you wanted independence when there was no discrimination (there wasn't any under Milosevic either but that's another argument). That's why it's so easy to see how albanians weren't fighting for freedom/democracy, but for a NATIONALIST idea/agenda. Blaming the Serbs (after committing terrorism) was just a great excuse handed onto a plate for you by Milosevic.
Kosovo has nothing to do with democracy, it has everything to do with a greater Albania as many albanian commentators on here have admitted to.
what goes around comes around though. when the EU and US hav no more use for albanians and a conflict arises in the region, there's a good chance that the albo's will bear the brunt of their actions again.
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
(nikshala)
Nikshala -- i liked yr comment -- it was thoughtful and spoke to our optimism, rather than the ugly cynicism that rages around us. i don't frequently commnent about internal politics of kosovo. but i do think that democracy has a gradual evolutionary process, esp.ly with help. and w/time, it will flower in kosovo/a. ignore the haters. thanks!
You again talking about the 'official-sensitive' information you get officialy-your work? Well, I've heard this kind from int. stuff, just like you're talking now, may be worse. There are some things I know for sure and are true but time will come Jason ;), for everyone...
P.s. Read the comments on the other article... (10.11.09)
Yes, there must be some conspiracy against you! That or there is some limitation on how many ignorant posts one can put up per week. I think you have exceeded yours...
(Jason, 12 November 2009 16:44)
Talking about ignorance,you should read your own coments once in the while.
Not sure of your point there. Kosovo may not have killed their president - yet. But doing so unfortunately does happen/
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
USA- American killed John F. Kennedy
USA- American tried to kill Ronald Reagan
USA- AMerican tried to kill Gerald Ford
Will Kosovo tell America they are inferior? Probably not.
Please stop with the 'we are better than you because we don't...'
Please start with the 'We are trying to be better as a people by...'
I think sometime it is quite hard to distinguish between the Democracy and Nationalism, and they usually overlap. Our strive to be independent is based both on democracy ideals (wanting to govern ourselves and have full control of our fate), and to a certian degree our nationailst ideals. Serbs are probably the most nationalist people in the Balkans, and to reasonable degree thats not such a bad thing.
In some ways you are right - albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia /Serbia, but during Tito were willing to accept it. While most would have hoped for independence, only a minority were willing to do someting about it then. During Tito there was relative peace and prosperity. The 10 year opression under Milosevic was horrible - please do not dispute this because you lose some any credibilty that you have, its a fact, i personally experienced this but I wont go into that - and that was the catalyst for the recent events.
You are also forgeting to mention that one of the main reasons that albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia / Serbia, is because serbs themselves did not want the albanains in Yugoslavia / Serbia but only the land, and throughout those 100 years they have continually tried to get rid of albanian population through both violent and non-violent means. Until recently it was public and open state policy. Now, you can dispute that for the sake of not agreeing with an albanian view, but you know yourself that it is true. Most serbs do but they don't admit it.
So to understand why albanains never wanted to be part of Serbia, you have to look at things from our perspective as well, and I am sure that if you were in our position you would feel the same way.
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
Welcome to Europes Utopia, what a joke state and what a bunch of immature crooks the have in charge.
Albanians behonest can you say your life has improved in the slightest???? i mean your leader no one in free think world respects. Also Kosovo is becoming a nightmare for the west just like Afghanistan...
I mean didnt your leader say Russian would recognise KosovO not Kosova, and Lavrov told him to ssssh and your leader did hahaha
But i mean its Albanian trait to do what your told to do isnt it ;) Ottomans, Germans, Italians and now Nato
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA
ZIVELI Vuk ;)
We are born with Kosovo in our heart and souls and blood no one can take this from Serbs No One!!!
This is nothing to worry. This is an election campaign and situation is getting warm just days before election date.
(PRN, 12 November 2009 10:20)
--
Yes PRN, this is the type of democracy you keep talking about.
Isn't it amazing how quickly criminals can be found and arrested when Serbians are not the victims?
If my name was : Jason,Goran,gojko,cvele,MikeC,Peggy, etc... I am sure you would be able to read my coment.
(Kosova-USA, 12 November 2009 16:20)
Yes, there must be some conspiracy against you! That or there is some limitation on how many ignorant posts one can put up per week. I think you have exceeded yours...
Troika Medlb: "He also has talked to the minoritys like a leader even in their language."
Good grief! THEIR language? You mean Serbian, the language of the nation of which Kosovo is still legally a province? The nation that before the Kosovo war had street signs, education and literature available in the Albanian language to a far greater extent than most Western European nations would offer a single ethnic group.
He spoke in the language that I assume he received his state paid education, as a citizen of Serbia, so I am sure that it wasn't too much of a hardship for him to recall.
Lucky for him he wasn't that poor UN translator in Pristina who was tricked into answering a question in Serbian and was then brutally murdered for doing so.
Still, I am sure that the US-UK spin machine painted that as pent up frustration and a warranted 'revenge' killing.
“Why for every bit of news about Kosovo u jump to say something Negative never good enough.”
(Bilbao, 12 November 2009 11:33)
I responded to a negative post from a Kosovo Albanian, it is not like I came out of the blue with this.
@K-AL
“You again talking about the 'official-sensitive' information you get officialy-your work? Well, I've heard this kind from int. stuff, just like you're talking now, may be worse. There are some things I know for sure and are true but time will come Jason ;)”
Cheers
(K-AL, 12 November 2009 14:24)
What kind of nonsense are you talking about today? I have no idea what on earth you are alluding to regarding sensitive information, but if it makes you feel smart then by all means continue…
Maybe you should concentrate on finding gainful employment instead of posting rubbish such as this. Maybe one of your friends who is international “stuff” can assist you?
Its one thing when assassinations & blood feuds happen 100 years ago or when 40% voter turnout happens in long-time democracies but when most of these things, PLUS gang-style violence by supporters of opposing political parties & against international police all happen TODAY at the same time in Europe's 'newest independent state' unrecognized by most of the world, then you KNOW it's a FAILURE. Even Clinton knew it.
USA- American killed Abraham Lincoln
USA- American killed John F. Kennedy
USA- American tried to kill Ronald Reagan
USA- AMerican tried to kill Gerald Ford
(kujon, 12 November 2009 10:57)
Its' not all:
1881 - killed US president James A. Garfield
1901 - killed US president William McKinley
and were attempts to kill US presidents - Andrew Jackson (1835), Theodore Roosevelt (1912), Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933), Harry Truman (1950), Richard Nixon (1974), Jimmy Carter (1979), George Bush (1993), Bill Clinton - three times in 1994!!, George W. Bush 2 times in 2001 and one in 2005.
So - 4 american presidents killed, and 11!! attacked.
Look at serbs getting happy for some really small incident.
Dont you remember that only few years back you killed your own primeminister? (Djindjic). Dont you remember that your late President Ivan Stambolic was found killed? Dont you remember when Draskovic's car was attack by big trucks? Dont you remember how you ousted Milosevic out of his compound? Dont you remember the death threats that Boris Tadic gets all the time from serb hardliners?
Dont you remember all these?
I wonder what car the taxpayers of EU have bought for The Snake?
Audi A8, Mercedes 600 or something even fancier?
(Srboslav, 12 November 2009 10:02)
Might have been another one stolen from a famous soccer player http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/11/12/1620066/milan-star-gennaro-gattusos-stolen-jeep-found-in-albania .While albanians are all time underachivers at sports it must be admitted that they are world champions at stealing cars.
Albania may become the first country of stolen car tourism.People from all over the world will flood the country in search of their stolen car.Thieves will leave a brochure in the owner's post box then take the car.The brochure will say:Come to albania the country of beatiful mountains and sea.You can ride donkeys and if lucky you can even find your long missing car.
Nikshala - Some interesting comments and ideas but I have to take issue with some of them and put some into context.
"wanting to govern ourselves and have full control of our fate" This isn't democracy, this is nationalism. But taking your assumption that it is democracy then you should have no arguments against the Serbs in northern Kosovo becoming independent and determining their own fate, and also the Serbs in Bosnia and the Serbs in Krajina, yet many "famous/notorious" Albanians were fighting against Serbs in Croatia to deny Serb independence in Krajina yet demand independence for Kosovo - isn't that hypocracy?
"Serbs are probably the most nationalist people in the Balkans" That prize I think goes to the Croats.
"In some ways you are right - albanains in Kosovo never wanted to be part of Yugoslavia /Serbia, but during Tito were willing to accept it." So what was so bad about Yugoslavia? It was a big mix of different ethnicities which all had the opportunity to have their say in government and therefore determine Yugoslavia's internal and external policies. So you could quite easily have created the amazing democracy that you keep talking about.
The most worrying question about Albanians is this. If as a minority of yugoslavia they couldn't completely control everything, they decided that they wanted independence instead because they weren't happy. So why is it that you want to be a part of Europe?? You won't be able to control anything. You'll be told what to do!! Or do you plan to use Europe to try to improve your standard of living only to then declare that you no longer want to be a part of it? Again, this smacks of hypocracy, one minute wanting one policy that suits you, the next, turning the same policy on it's head to suit you!!
"During Tito there was relative peace and prosperity." That's because Tito was as wily as a fox. He played the West and the East off against each other and in return managed to obtain hundreds of billions of dollars of aid and development cash. So life in yugoslavia was built on a myth. This high standard of living was paid for by the West and the East, both trying to influence Tito.
"The 10 year opression under Milosevic was horrible " I don't think anybody would dispute that.
"throughout those 100 years they have continually tried to get rid of albanian population through both violent and non-violent means." You keep conveniently forgetting Tito and the fact that after WWII he prevented hundreds of thousands of displaced Serbs to go and live back in Kosovo even though they had property there and had always lived there, plus the fact that thousands of Albanians came into Kosovo from Albania after WWII to escape the communist regime. Tito deliberately discriminated against the Serbs in Kosovo which is why there is such a huge imbalance in the population. Without Tito the Serb/Albanian population in Kosovo would be nearer 50/50 or 40/60 today.
They are like gang members who can't enter the territory of the others. Yeah, Kosovo surely acts like a modern day democratic society. Perhaps Belgrade should be happy not having to deal with this mentality amongs the albanians in its southern province. Let the West tame them.
I really don't understand this...this is meant to be a K-Albanian leader and his line of cars which were attacked with stones? Kosova-USA hasnt even commented (YET)!!!!!!! troika is absolutely calm and the rest are quiet?!?!?!?!
I'm guessing it would be a completely different situation if Serbs were behind the attack, oh god, then there would be more negative albanian comments on here than there were seaguls flocking when a 3 tonne truck transporting bread rolled over on a freeway along the beach.
If albanians commit a crime then its all good, they have the right too. But if its Serbs, then watch out.
Its tragic though, what a shame they werent better armed/prepared
My comment regarding albanians not wanting to be part of Yugoslavia was related to my comment about albanians not being wanted in Yougoslavia and Serbia's continous intetion to change the population make up. There is a big difference towards the attutidu of Serbia and EU towards Kosovo, therefore the you cannot really compare teh fact that we want to be in EU to us not wanting to be part of Serbia.
I believe the number of albanians that came from Albania is greatly inflated by serbian side. All i can say that in all my life I have never met any albanian in Kosovo who had come from Albania after WW2. Everyone i now can trace their family roots in Kosovo for at least a 100 years. So this belief that serbs have that most K.albanians in Kosovo today came from Albania after WW2, is simply wrong.
I am sure that some did come, but not in the number to affect the population make up to any significant effect. Based on any records even from Serbian side, serbs have not made 50% of population for centuries.
This is all irrelevant to be honest and don't want to go deeper into that.
As far as north of Kosovo is concerned, I agree, there is a element of hypocrisy there. Regardless of the fact that I disagree with the events and background that make serbs in North of Kosovo want to secede, I accept that thats what they believe, and in the end thats what matters - historic events are always open to different interpretations.
If serbs in north of Kosovo feel the same way that we albanians feel about the idea of being left within Serbia, than I can't see how north will be integrated in the near future.
Do I smell a gang-bang on the horizon?
(Mike, 12 November 2009 14:32)
You would not be far off Mike. What you have here is 2 crime bosses; the Snake muscleling in on a rival boss's territory to stake his claim on the proceeds. You see the Snake aint stupid. He knows that Haradinaj's is making a mint so he wants a piece of the cut.
Usually when that happens you get the kidnappings and drive by shootings coupled with all the bad and nasty gangsta rap. All that is missing is the south central LA Compton background, Cripps and Bloods.
Wish Nikshala's words become true. May - after Rugova - a new intellectual leader emerge from Kosovo. With hands clean of blood, drugs and dirty money.
As for Haradinaj's car versus Thaci's car being stoned: wish both sides maximal success stoning each other. Hajrá, fiúk, elöre!
don't try and twist my comment to try and prove some poor point.
When I say I don't like him , I mean from a political perspective.
Sometimes I get the feeling the some commentators from the serbian side, think that we K.albanians are starting to regret that we declared independence and that we wish we had remained within Serbia.
Whilst there are many problems in Kosovo today, no one at their lowest darkest moments even contemplates the idea of going back under some Serbia's influence. And that is never going to happen in the near future. Economically things haven't improved drastically but overall things are many times better than they were before the war. It is almost impossible for me to comprehed now, how we accepted to live as second class citizens in our country for so long.
Look at serbs getting happy for some really small incident.
Dont you remember that only few years back you killed your own primeminister? (Djindjic). Dont you remember that your late President Ivan Stambolic was found killed? Dont you remember when Draskovic's car was attack by big trucks? Dont you remember how you ousted Milosevic out of his compound? Dont you remember the death threats that Boris Tadic gets all the time from serb hardliners?
Dont you remember all these?
(montenegrin, 13 November 2009 09:04)
Does yesterday's assasination attempt on Haradinaj's muppet running for office in Mitrovica count as a "really small incident" too?
Might have been another one stolen from a famous soccer player [link] .While albanians are all time underachivers at sports it must be admitted that they are world champions at stealing cars.
(szemi, 12 November 2009 12:45)
Szemi, you just made my day,i was laughing loud while reading it! This was a nice report, it was good news for the star Gennaro Gattuso!I wish Ataman would make a comment about it. Good job Tirana police,good thing there cops in Tirana that takes their jobs seriously.
"I'm surprised none of the regular bloggers have tried to blame this on Milosevic yet. (JC)"
-- Haha, you spoke too soon! Just give some of the Albanian nutballs here time and you'll get:
"This story is lie like in Milosheviq time. I was there and no one throw stone. Just few rocks fell from cliff where Serbs paramilitarilies make mess in 1999. Kosova's heroes are united and friends! (Arsim)"
Sorry, Goran, I don't remember what your comment was when the the cars of the officials from Belgrade were stoned by Kosovar Serbs when crossing the border into Kosovo a while back - something similar to this, I assume?
(Amer, 12 November 2009 16:46)
I never got to see that article, could you please supply me with the link so that I can see all of the negative comments by the albanians condeming the serbs for that?
Back to the article - I don't personally like either Thaci or Haradinaj and its only a matter of time before their parties get marginalised or evolve. In most coutnries after the war, the political side that comes out of the military wing usually wins but after a while this changes. Currently the vacum left after Rugova's death is getting filled by these two parties, however hopefully soon Kosovo will get another intellectual leader to clean up the after-war mess.
(nikshala)
Nikshala -- i liked yr comment -- it was thoughtful and spoke to our optimism, rather than the ugly cynicism that rages around us. i don't frequently commnent about internal politics of kosovo. but i do think that democracy has a gradual evolutionary process, esp.ly with help. and w/time, it will flower in kosovo/a. ignore the haters. thanks!
roberto frisco
This is the closest we are going to get from Roberto and Nikshala that they recognise that the Snake and H are crime incorporated. It also indicates that this is acceptable to Nikshala and Roberto, which is deeply worrying. As I am sure this view is widespread amoungst the Albanian community.
Although they have a point a lot of countries are created by thieves and murders, look at the United States.
"What kind of nonsense are you talking about today? I have no idea what on earth you are alluding to regarding sensitive information, but if it makes you feel smart then by all means continue…"
Not the kind who wants to show others how smart I am. Somehow, I am sure you understood what i meant.
"Maybe you should concentrate on finding gainful employment instead of posting rubbish such as this. Maybe one of your friends who is international “stuff” can assist you?"
Jason,
I tell you that I choosed to study instead of doing a second job ;), I am so happy with my current job. And If assistance is needed I would not hesitate to ask my intern. stuff for it and there are many of them who are more than happy to do so ;)
P.s. Seems like you know nothing about the two incidents happened in two days.
I wouldn't mind if it occurs on separate occasions but "szemi" you completely missed out on this news item: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=11&dd=12&nav_id=62995
Dečani is seen as an important stronghold of the Ramush Haradinaj-led AAK party.
Thaci's party accused Haradinaj of directly inciting and organizing last night's attack, Croatia's state news agency Hina reported.
I knew about the north and the south of this region, but not about some criminal related strongholds...
Back to the stone age or maybe modern time of the sharia :)
Congratulation to the police, what a swift arrest... so if they want they can, "yes we can" but most of the time we don't want!!
Hey Troijka, I was practicing what I preach. I wasn't saying any group was better thn another because of what they did not do. I said that even countries that Kosovo Alabanians look up to have done what PRN was insulting Serbs for, so stop with the insults and start with saying what the Kosovo area is doing to better itself.
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