CeSID: Support for EU growing thanks to visas

Deutsche Welle,CESID and CESID Program Director Marko Blagojević valuable sources?
Deutsche Welle is more then well known German "EU per their ideas and wishes" propaganda machine.

Can they maybe explain us when,where and how this research-poll was done and what was the demographic structure of the "representative sample fo polulation" involved?

I do believe that "support" for EU may have increased slightly, due to Visa liberalization, but be sure not to rush in "EU optimism".
Minimum ten years of the conditioned negotiations still to come, with conditions like giving up Kosovo, Dayton Agreement and Republika Srpska and certain veto by Croatia concerning ICJ, will surely and very dramatically change the opinion of the Serbian public and majority of Serbians will settle happy with visa free travel and trade free zone with EU.

Time works for so called 'Euro-skeptics", rather called Serbian Euro-realist.
Just calling the Referendum when the time comes. though I am sure that the time will never come and answer will be clear.
Serbia will never be,and thanks God,the member of EU.

"...In 2011 the identity card will no longer be needed since Romania will join the Schengen Area.

Also, Romanian citizens have the right to settle everywhere in the EU. Romanian citizens have the right to work in most EU Member States.

This is the difference between being an EU Member State and being outside the EU.
(Mircea, 7 November 2009 15:36)..."


>>> Sorry to disappoint you, but even being in Schengen zone, you are clearly advised to carry your ID or Passport in all the countries of Schengen zone, as you can be asked for one by Police Officers of any EU country by new tightened EU Laws aimed combating terrorism.
You are also ask to have ID or Passport on you when crossing from one Schengen country to another and it will be in the discretion of Emigration Officer is he gonna ask for it or not.
As well, if you are traveling using airplanes you will be always asked for your ID or Passport with the "check in" and you are required to have it on you and again it is in discretion of the Emigration Authorities will they ask to see it or not.

Yes, Romanian citizens do have right to settle wherever they want, but they don't have right to receive the social benefits(unemployment, medical, pension and so...) from the countries they settle if they are not working there.

For your greatest disappointment Romanian citizens are NOT allowed to work in another EU country (though it was one fo the basic ideas of EU when founded = free flow of working force).
After the admission of Eastern European countries this act was abandoned and now every and each EU country from Western Europe regulates working visas for EU members from Eastern Europe following its own agendas and needs.
As much as I am informed, and I am informed well, Romanians and Bulgarians are not allowed to work in any of Western European EU countries.
Only in the case that your qualification is needed and that Western European employer explicitly wants you, working permit can be provided and obtained.
This rule applies differently from country to country of EU Eastern Europe...some countries are better treated then the others.
Let say for example,Polish are allowed to work, following special Government Laws, in Britain, The Netherlands...and so on.

So to finalize short:
for traveling in Schengen zone you, like EU Schengen citizen, are required to have your ID-Passport with you and it may be or not requested of you to present it at any time and working permit for Eastern European EU countries is regulated in Western European EU countries per their Laws on individual country basis.
For Romanians, at this stage, no automatic free work permit in the Western EU exist.

So, at the end of the day, not a great difference between Eastern European EU member and Serbia, which may soon be having visa free travel and free trade agreement.

Finnaly with visa free travel and free trade deal every "wealthy enough" Serbian can also as Romanian EU citizen settle in any EU country as long as he, she can pay the bill. In that case permanent residence is sorted out with no problem.

@ MIRCEA

1.Does Romania still need the government when belonging to that Paradise on earth called EU?
2. Did the EU membership change the climate for you so that people can walk around with only fig leaves covering their certain body parts not to be mentioned by their names in public?

Please let us know, we need only this information before deciding to scream in unison with you "Long live the EU"!

Some sorosian dreamers, €USSR fanatics and serb-bashers are indeed "optimistic" at whatever move the western powers does, including bombing serbia back to stone age for the IMF & american military bases.

Serbia will never be a member of €USSR they will implode before that and romanian beggars & thiefs flooding european cities will eventually go back home, increasing the unemployment rate, so much for our €U optimistic Mircea...

‘According to Deutsche Welle radio, Blagojević said that only 14 percent of the Serbian population is against joining the EU, while 71 percent supports Serbia’s integration into the Union. ‘

What a load of rubbish. Who did Deutsche Welle radio ask? Blagojević and family? The fact is it’s the other way around and the majority of Serbian people are not even interested in joining the EU and real polls have disclosed that about 80% have this view.

This is classic fishing expedition stuff, make a bold statement and see how far it can run and maybe change opinion.

everywhere in the EU. Romanian citizens have the right to work in most EU Member States.

This is the difference between being an EU Member State and being outside the EU.
(Mircea, 7 November 2009 15:36)

Which planet are you living in??
By the way, what happened to the IMF loan to Roumania, apparently it was blocked, any rational explanation?
That should be maybe your first worry...
We have already more than 200thds Serbs living in Switzerland, so I guess they have a valid passport and a valid job...., doesn't matter when you take the Zurich-Belgrade flight, Swiss, JAT or thru Germany or Austria, the planes are alwauys full, so I guess they also are having valid passport..., so it looks that indeed Serbian are travelling a lot with valid passports..., however we don't have so many Roumanians living in Switzerland, any explanation??

"...Currently, only 10 EU Member States keep restrictions on the number of Romanians and Bulgarians allowed to work.

These 10 EU Member States are allowed to keep the restrictions until 31 December 2013.

On 1 January 2014 Romanian citizens will be allowed to work in every EU Member State.
(Mircea, 8 November 2009 01:01) ..."

>>> Sure about that?
And this 10 or 11 countries are naturally 10 or 11 rich and wealthy Western European EU members, if I am right?

And I can assure you that Romanians are not gonna be allowed to work after that date in Western Europe following the statements of Western Prime Ministers and Presidents and present political climate.
It is done deal coordinated with all this countries involved.
You think that they are crazy and willing and able to absorb,in the time of global recession, millions of Romanians and Eastern Europeans wishing chance for better life?
For The Netherlands I can grant you this is not gonna happen 100%.

Another little, but very crucial detail, you missed in your little "presentation" is "elegant" way of Western countries to block you = Romanians and other Eastern Europeans from their qualified working market and it is...?
They are simply not recognizing East European University or...Diplomas!
So, if you wonna pick up tomato's and strawberries in slavery conditions then you are welcome, but I suggest you better stay home in your post-communist free apartment with eur 300 per month...it's much better deal.

Wonna hear my example?
My University Diploma-Economy not recognized in The Netherlands. Took me additional 6 years of studies, and hardly making any money in the meantime, before I was back where I started from = got my diploma back.

EU will very shortly break all your balloon illusions so better slow down with your EU ode.

dean van der Serbia,

The 10 EU Member States where Romanian citizens need a work permit are:

Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, UK and the Netherlands.

EU members can limit the inflow of Bulgarian and Romanian workers until 31 December 2011, and for a further two years.

After the EU cancels the need for a visa, Serbian citizens will need a passport to travel to EU Member States. Serbian citizens cannot use their identity card to enter EU Member States.

Also, Serbian citizens will not be allowed to work and settle in EU Member States.

Romanian citizens only need their identity card to enter other EU Member States. In 2011 the identity card will no longer be needed since Romania will join the Schengen Area.

Also, Romanian citizens have the right to settle everywhere in the EU. Romanian citizens have the right to work in most EU Member States.

This is the difference between being an EU Member State and being outside the EU.

dean van der serbia,

Romanian citizens are allowed to work in 16 EU Member States.

Currently, only 10 EU Member States keep restrictions on the number of Romanians and Bulgarians allowed to work.

These 10 EU Member States are allowed to keep the restrictions until 31 December 2013.

On 1 January 2014 Romanian citizens will be allowed to work in every EU Member State.

After the EU cancels the need for a visa, Serbian citizens will need a passport to travel to EU Member States. Serbian citizens cannot use their identity card to enter EU Member States.

Also, Serbian citizens will not be allowed to work and settle in EU Member States.

Romanian citizens only need their identity card to enter other EU Member States. In 2011 the identity card will no longer be needed since Romania will join the Schengen Area.

Also, Romanian citizens have the right to settle everywhere in the EU. Romanian citizens have the right to work in most EU Member States.

This is the difference between being an EU Member State and being outside the EU.

Some sorosian dreamers, €USSR fanatics and serb-bashers are indeed "optimistic" at whatever move the western powers does, including bombing serbia back to stone age for the IMF & american military bases.

Serbia will never be a member of €USSR they will implode before that and romanian beggars & thiefs flooding european cities will eventually go back home, increasing the unemployment rate, so much for our €U optimistic Mircea...

Deutsche Welle,CESID and CESID Program Director Marko Blagojević valuable sources?
Deutsche Welle is more then well known German "EU per their ideas and wishes" propaganda machine.

Can they maybe explain us when,where and how this research-poll was done and what was the demographic structure of the "representative sample fo polulation" involved?

I do believe that "support" for EU may have increased slightly, due to Visa liberalization, but be sure not to rush in "EU optimism".
Minimum ten years of the conditioned negotiations still to come, with conditions like giving up Kosovo, Dayton Agreement and Republika Srpska and certain veto by Croatia concerning ICJ, will surely and very dramatically change the opinion of the Serbian public and majority of Serbians will settle happy with visa free travel and trade free zone with EU.

Time works for so called 'Euro-skeptics", rather called Serbian Euro-realist.
Just calling the Referendum when the time comes. though I am sure that the time will never come and answer will be clear.
Serbia will never be,and thanks God,the member of EU.

dean van der serbia,

Romanian citizens are allowed to work in 16 EU Member States.

Currently, only 10 EU Member States keep restrictions on the number of Romanians and Bulgarians allowed to work.

These 10 EU Member States are allowed to keep the restrictions until 31 December 2013.

On 1 January 2014 Romanian citizens will be allowed to work in every EU Member State.

‘According to Deutsche Welle radio, Blagojević said that only 14 percent of the Serbian population is against joining the EU, while 71 percent supports Serbia’s integration into the Union. ‘

What a load of rubbish. Who did Deutsche Welle radio ask? Blagojević and family? The fact is it’s the other way around and the majority of Serbian people are not even interested in joining the EU and real polls have disclosed that about 80% have this view.

This is classic fishing expedition stuff, make a bold statement and see how far it can run and maybe change opinion.

"...In 2011 the identity card will no longer be needed since Romania will join the Schengen Area.

Also, Romanian citizens have the right to settle everywhere in the EU. Romanian citizens have the right to work in most EU Member States.

This is the difference between being an EU Member State and being outside the EU.
(Mircea, 7 November 2009 15:36)..."


>>> Sorry to disappoint you, but even being in Schengen zone, you are clearly advised to carry your ID or Passport in all the countries of Schengen zone, as you can be asked for one by Police Officers of any EU country by new tightened EU Laws aimed combating terrorism.
You are also ask to have ID or Passport on you when crossing from one Schengen country to another and it will be in the discretion of Emigration Officer is he gonna ask for it or not.
As well, if you are traveling using airplanes you will be always asked for your ID or Passport with the "check in" and you are required to have it on you and again it is in discretion of the Emigration Authorities will they ask to see it or not.

Yes, Romanian citizens do have right to settle wherever they want, but they don't have right to receive the social benefits(unemployment, medical, pension and so...) from the countries they settle if they are not working there.

For your greatest disappointment Romanian citizens are NOT allowed to work in another EU country (though it was one fo the basic ideas of EU when founded = free flow of working force).
After the admission of Eastern European countries this act was abandoned and now every and each EU country from Western Europe regulates working visas for EU members from Eastern Europe following its own agendas and needs.
As much as I am informed, and I am informed well, Romanians and Bulgarians are not allowed to work in any of Western European EU countries.
Only in the case that your qualification is needed and that Western European employer explicitly wants you, working permit can be provided and obtained.
This rule applies differently from country to country of EU Eastern Europe...some countries are better treated then the others.
Let say for example,Polish are allowed to work, following special Government Laws, in Britain, The Netherlands...and so on.

So to finalize short:
for traveling in Schengen zone you, like EU Schengen citizen, are required to have your ID-Passport with you and it may be or not requested of you to present it at any time and working permit for Eastern European EU countries is regulated in Western European EU countries per their Laws on individual country basis.
For Romanians, at this stage, no automatic free work permit in the Western EU exist.

So, at the end of the day, not a great difference between Eastern European EU member and Serbia, which may soon be having visa free travel and free trade agreement.

Finnaly with visa free travel and free trade deal every "wealthy enough" Serbian can also as Romanian EU citizen settle in any EU country as long as he, she can pay the bill. In that case permanent residence is sorted out with no problem.

everywhere in the EU. Romanian citizens have the right to work in most EU Member States.

This is the difference between being an EU Member State and being outside the EU.
(Mircea, 7 November 2009 15:36)

Which planet are you living in??
By the way, what happened to the IMF loan to Roumania, apparently it was blocked, any rational explanation?
That should be maybe your first worry...
We have already more than 200thds Serbs living in Switzerland, so I guess they have a valid passport and a valid job...., doesn't matter when you take the Zurich-Belgrade flight, Swiss, JAT or thru Germany or Austria, the planes are alwauys full, so I guess they also are having valid passport..., so it looks that indeed Serbian are travelling a lot with valid passports..., however we don't have so many Roumanians living in Switzerland, any explanation??

@ MIRCEA

1.Does Romania still need the government when belonging to that Paradise on earth called EU?
2. Did the EU membership change the climate for you so that people can walk around with only fig leaves covering their certain body parts not to be mentioned by their names in public?

Please let us know, we need only this information before deciding to scream in unison with you "Long live the EU"!

"...Currently, only 10 EU Member States keep restrictions on the number of Romanians and Bulgarians allowed to work.

These 10 EU Member States are allowed to keep the restrictions until 31 December 2013.

On 1 January 2014 Romanian citizens will be allowed to work in every EU Member State.
(Mircea, 8 November 2009 01:01) ..."

>>> Sure about that?
And this 10 or 11 countries are naturally 10 or 11 rich and wealthy Western European EU members, if I am right?

And I can assure you that Romanians are not gonna be allowed to work after that date in Western Europe following the statements of Western Prime Ministers and Presidents and present political climate.
It is done deal coordinated with all this countries involved.
You think that they are crazy and willing and able to absorb,in the time of global recession, millions of Romanians and Eastern Europeans wishing chance for better life?
For The Netherlands I can grant you this is not gonna happen 100%.

Another little, but very crucial detail, you missed in your little "presentation" is "elegant" way of Western countries to block you = Romanians and other Eastern Europeans from their qualified working market and it is...?
They are simply not recognizing East European University or...Diplomas!
So, if you wonna pick up tomato's and strawberries in slavery conditions then you are welcome, but I suggest you better stay home in your post-communist free apartment with eur 300 per month...it's much better deal.

Wonna hear my example?
My University Diploma-Economy not recognized in The Netherlands. Took me additional 6 years of studies, and hardly making any money in the meantime, before I was back where I started from = got my diploma back.

EU will very shortly break all your balloon illusions so better slow down with your EU ode.

dean van der Serbia,

The 10 EU Member States where Romanian citizens need a work permit are:

Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, UK and the Netherlands.

EU members can limit the inflow of Bulgarian and Romanian workers until 31 December 2011, and for a further two years.