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Saturday, 07.11.2009.

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SNS opposes Vojvodina statute

Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) deputy leader Aleksandar Vučić said that the party will not be voting in favor of the Vojvodina statute.

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dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

"...As far as asymmetrical regionalisation goes, Serbia is already divided unequally between Belgrade, which receives a disproportionate amount of the taxpayers money, and the rest of the country. The idea of a strong centralised state is a political philosophy that was discredited at the beginning of last century. Since then regionalisation has been implemented in democracies around the world and, guess what, IT WORKS. If citizens of Serbia outside of Vojvodina feel that it is getting an unfair advantage, they should fight for their own rights instead of trying to deny them to other people.
(fshst, 8 November 2009 11:04)..."


>>> What are this links about?
To explain me that the countries, EU countries, Word around are divided in the administrative units?
Well thanks, I was quite good in geography when I was in the school benches.

Vojvodina "statute supporters" are constantly changing the issue and trying to implement the bully that the ones which are against disproportional regionalisation are for the centralized country.
Very much, NOPE.
But in the contrary, we are for real democratic process and country with equal rights.

For your info disproportional regionalisation brought more real bad then any good in the countries where it was implemented...just follow the daily politics...GB, Spain...

Your little "communist argument" that money goes to Belgrade is a big time nonsense: it is the capitol of the country, supports federal and governmental institutions so it is very much obvious it will use more money then other cities...
Additionally that balloony thesis that Vojvodina is paying the highest taxes is nonsense again...Vojvodina first, for your info, rips off rest of the Serbia with its monopoly high food prices...and even if it would be truth that Vojvodina is having highest GDP(which I doubt) I would love to remind you that, World around, richer Regions naturally do pay higher taxes to the state funds then the pourer...sounds logical for anyone who is having genuine sense with tax collecting system.

And suggestion that another Serbia's Region should be "fighting" for their special regional rights and privileges does not deserve comments.
So every punk can decide that he, she, region is not happy with its tax contributions and should ask for "SPECIAL STATUS"?

Yep, it is called loss of the sense for democratic process and miss of the sense for coexistence.

Why don't you go back to Tito's Yugoslavia where you mentally belong?

fshst

pre 14 godina

Dear Dean,

You're displaying quite a bit of ignorance yourself, as these links will show
http://www.blbe.be/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=1934

This one is to a page explaining the role of The Committee of Regions in forming EU policy,

http://www.blbe.be/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=1866

and this is to a dedicated search engine that will allow you to find the contact details of said regional representatives in Brussels.

As far as asymmetrical regionalisation goes, Serbia is already divided unequally between Belgrade, which receives a disproportionate amount of the taxpayers money, and the rest of the country. The idea of a strong centralised state is a political philosophy that was discredited at the beginning of last century. Since then regionalisation has been implemented in democracies around the world and, guess what, IT WORKS. If citizens of Serbia outside of Vojvodina feel that it is getting an unfair advantage, they should fight for their own rights instead of trying to deny them to other people.

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

"...Once again, Vucic demonstrates his complete ignorance of the modern world and political developments over the last 2oo years. Germany, for example has 13 capital cities
[link].
But forget the west European, protestant enemies of Serbia, your Slavic (Big) brothers, the Russians, Have 20!!!!
[link]
(fshst, 7 November 2009 14:38) ..."

>>>For your kind information Germany is having 16 federal states with their 16 federal capitols in, what is crucial in this case, SYMMETRICAL = EQUAL RIGHTS federation.
That would be the same case with Russia too.

In contrary, genuine problem with Vovodina case is that it is establishing DISPROPORTIONAL REGIONALISATION = NON EQUAL RIGHTS, meaning that the Vojvodina with its "statute" and "Parliament" will be having some other, "better", different rights then other regions in Serbia.
This kind of asymmetrical regionalisation is based on nothing, apart of communist and Tito's background, and genuinely leads to possible separatistic tendences.

For your information none of 16 German federal states does not have its individual office in EU Institutions as it is suggested for Vojvodina as per single example of the crucial differences.

So before you add some links be sure that you know what are you speaking about.

gajo

pre 14 godina

no statute like we said a million times, ask the people of serbia and ask the 75%+ Serbs in vojvodina what they want not what politicians like bojan wants. thats how its done let the people see this so called statute.

fshst

pre 14 godina

Once again, Vucic demonstrates his complete ignorance of the modern world and political developments over the last 2oo years. Germany, for example has 13 capital cities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Germany.
But forget the west European, protestant enemies of Serbia, your Slavic (Big) brothers, the Russians, Have 20!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

Absolute agree with Vucic.

Vojvodina autonomy is referendum question, but somehow good deal of Vojvodina people presume that it is then Vojvodina Referendum.
Nope.
Question concerns very much all Serbians so Referendum should be on the level of Serbia....and the answer will be NO to the "statute" and any sort of unproportionality in regional status of Vojvodina.
This move by Pajtic, Canak and his team is genuinely bureaucratic,undemocratic and unconstitutional.
It will obviously have to wait till the next election and then when SNS wins, with its partners, Referendum must be called.

Anyhow and surely, with this "last drop", Democratic Party will never, with the stress on NEVER ever, get my democratic vote.

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

Absolute agree with Vucic.

Vojvodina autonomy is referendum question, but somehow good deal of Vojvodina people presume that it is then Vojvodina Referendum.
Nope.
Question concerns very much all Serbians so Referendum should be on the level of Serbia....and the answer will be NO to the "statute" and any sort of unproportionality in regional status of Vojvodina.
This move by Pajtic, Canak and his team is genuinely bureaucratic,undemocratic and unconstitutional.
It will obviously have to wait till the next election and then when SNS wins, with its partners, Referendum must be called.

Anyhow and surely, with this "last drop", Democratic Party will never, with the stress on NEVER ever, get my democratic vote.

fshst

pre 14 godina

Once again, Vucic demonstrates his complete ignorance of the modern world and political developments over the last 2oo years. Germany, for example has 13 capital cities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Germany.
But forget the west European, protestant enemies of Serbia, your Slavic (Big) brothers, the Russians, Have 20!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

"...As far as asymmetrical regionalisation goes, Serbia is already divided unequally between Belgrade, which receives a disproportionate amount of the taxpayers money, and the rest of the country. The idea of a strong centralised state is a political philosophy that was discredited at the beginning of last century. Since then regionalisation has been implemented in democracies around the world and, guess what, IT WORKS. If citizens of Serbia outside of Vojvodina feel that it is getting an unfair advantage, they should fight for their own rights instead of trying to deny them to other people.
(fshst, 8 November 2009 11:04)..."


>>> What are this links about?
To explain me that the countries, EU countries, Word around are divided in the administrative units?
Well thanks, I was quite good in geography when I was in the school benches.

Vojvodina "statute supporters" are constantly changing the issue and trying to implement the bully that the ones which are against disproportional regionalisation are for the centralized country.
Very much, NOPE.
But in the contrary, we are for real democratic process and country with equal rights.

For your info disproportional regionalisation brought more real bad then any good in the countries where it was implemented...just follow the daily politics...GB, Spain...

Your little "communist argument" that money goes to Belgrade is a big time nonsense: it is the capitol of the country, supports federal and governmental institutions so it is very much obvious it will use more money then other cities...
Additionally that balloony thesis that Vojvodina is paying the highest taxes is nonsense again...Vojvodina first, for your info, rips off rest of the Serbia with its monopoly high food prices...and even if it would be truth that Vojvodina is having highest GDP(which I doubt) I would love to remind you that, World around, richer Regions naturally do pay higher taxes to the state funds then the pourer...sounds logical for anyone who is having genuine sense with tax collecting system.

And suggestion that another Serbia's Region should be "fighting" for their special regional rights and privileges does not deserve comments.
So every punk can decide that he, she, region is not happy with its tax contributions and should ask for "SPECIAL STATUS"?

Yep, it is called loss of the sense for democratic process and miss of the sense for coexistence.

Why don't you go back to Tito's Yugoslavia where you mentally belong?

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

"...Once again, Vucic demonstrates his complete ignorance of the modern world and political developments over the last 2oo years. Germany, for example has 13 capital cities
[link].
But forget the west European, protestant enemies of Serbia, your Slavic (Big) brothers, the Russians, Have 20!!!!
[link]
(fshst, 7 November 2009 14:38) ..."

>>>For your kind information Germany is having 16 federal states with their 16 federal capitols in, what is crucial in this case, SYMMETRICAL = EQUAL RIGHTS federation.
That would be the same case with Russia too.

In contrary, genuine problem with Vovodina case is that it is establishing DISPROPORTIONAL REGIONALISATION = NON EQUAL RIGHTS, meaning that the Vojvodina with its "statute" and "Parliament" will be having some other, "better", different rights then other regions in Serbia.
This kind of asymmetrical regionalisation is based on nothing, apart of communist and Tito's background, and genuinely leads to possible separatistic tendences.

For your information none of 16 German federal states does not have its individual office in EU Institutions as it is suggested for Vojvodina as per single example of the crucial differences.

So before you add some links be sure that you know what are you speaking about.

gajo

pre 14 godina

no statute like we said a million times, ask the people of serbia and ask the 75%+ Serbs in vojvodina what they want not what politicians like bojan wants. thats how its done let the people see this so called statute.

fshst

pre 14 godina

Dear Dean,

You're displaying quite a bit of ignorance yourself, as these links will show
http://www.blbe.be/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=1934

This one is to a page explaining the role of The Committee of Regions in forming EU policy,

http://www.blbe.be/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=1866

and this is to a dedicated search engine that will allow you to find the contact details of said regional representatives in Brussels.

As far as asymmetrical regionalisation goes, Serbia is already divided unequally between Belgrade, which receives a disproportionate amount of the taxpayers money, and the rest of the country. The idea of a strong centralised state is a political philosophy that was discredited at the beginning of last century. Since then regionalisation has been implemented in democracies around the world and, guess what, IT WORKS. If citizens of Serbia outside of Vojvodina feel that it is getting an unfair advantage, they should fight for their own rights instead of trying to deny them to other people.

fshst

pre 14 godina

Once again, Vucic demonstrates his complete ignorance of the modern world and political developments over the last 2oo years. Germany, for example has 13 capital cities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Germany.
But forget the west European, protestant enemies of Serbia, your Slavic (Big) brothers, the Russians, Have 20!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

fshst

pre 14 godina

Dear Dean,

You're displaying quite a bit of ignorance yourself, as these links will show
http://www.blbe.be/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=1934

This one is to a page explaining the role of The Committee of Regions in forming EU policy,

http://www.blbe.be/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=1866

and this is to a dedicated search engine that will allow you to find the contact details of said regional representatives in Brussels.

As far as asymmetrical regionalisation goes, Serbia is already divided unequally between Belgrade, which receives a disproportionate amount of the taxpayers money, and the rest of the country. The idea of a strong centralised state is a political philosophy that was discredited at the beginning of last century. Since then regionalisation has been implemented in democracies around the world and, guess what, IT WORKS. If citizens of Serbia outside of Vojvodina feel that it is getting an unfair advantage, they should fight for their own rights instead of trying to deny them to other people.

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

Absolute agree with Vucic.

Vojvodina autonomy is referendum question, but somehow good deal of Vojvodina people presume that it is then Vojvodina Referendum.
Nope.
Question concerns very much all Serbians so Referendum should be on the level of Serbia....and the answer will be NO to the "statute" and any sort of unproportionality in regional status of Vojvodina.
This move by Pajtic, Canak and his team is genuinely bureaucratic,undemocratic and unconstitutional.
It will obviously have to wait till the next election and then when SNS wins, with its partners, Referendum must be called.

Anyhow and surely, with this "last drop", Democratic Party will never, with the stress on NEVER ever, get my democratic vote.

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

"...As far as asymmetrical regionalisation goes, Serbia is already divided unequally between Belgrade, which receives a disproportionate amount of the taxpayers money, and the rest of the country. The idea of a strong centralised state is a political philosophy that was discredited at the beginning of last century. Since then regionalisation has been implemented in democracies around the world and, guess what, IT WORKS. If citizens of Serbia outside of Vojvodina feel that it is getting an unfair advantage, they should fight for their own rights instead of trying to deny them to other people.
(fshst, 8 November 2009 11:04)..."


>>> What are this links about?
To explain me that the countries, EU countries, Word around are divided in the administrative units?
Well thanks, I was quite good in geography when I was in the school benches.

Vojvodina "statute supporters" are constantly changing the issue and trying to implement the bully that the ones which are against disproportional regionalisation are for the centralized country.
Very much, NOPE.
But in the contrary, we are for real democratic process and country with equal rights.

For your info disproportional regionalisation brought more real bad then any good in the countries where it was implemented...just follow the daily politics...GB, Spain...

Your little "communist argument" that money goes to Belgrade is a big time nonsense: it is the capitol of the country, supports federal and governmental institutions so it is very much obvious it will use more money then other cities...
Additionally that balloony thesis that Vojvodina is paying the highest taxes is nonsense again...Vojvodina first, for your info, rips off rest of the Serbia with its monopoly high food prices...and even if it would be truth that Vojvodina is having highest GDP(which I doubt) I would love to remind you that, World around, richer Regions naturally do pay higher taxes to the state funds then the pourer...sounds logical for anyone who is having genuine sense with tax collecting system.

And suggestion that another Serbia's Region should be "fighting" for their special regional rights and privileges does not deserve comments.
So every punk can decide that he, she, region is not happy with its tax contributions and should ask for "SPECIAL STATUS"?

Yep, it is called loss of the sense for democratic process and miss of the sense for coexistence.

Why don't you go back to Tito's Yugoslavia where you mentally belong?

gajo

pre 14 godina

no statute like we said a million times, ask the people of serbia and ask the 75%+ Serbs in vojvodina what they want not what politicians like bojan wants. thats how its done let the people see this so called statute.

dean van der serbia

pre 14 godina

"...Once again, Vucic demonstrates his complete ignorance of the modern world and political developments over the last 2oo years. Germany, for example has 13 capital cities
[link].
But forget the west European, protestant enemies of Serbia, your Slavic (Big) brothers, the Russians, Have 20!!!!
[link]
(fshst, 7 November 2009 14:38) ..."

>>>For your kind information Germany is having 16 federal states with their 16 federal capitols in, what is crucial in this case, SYMMETRICAL = EQUAL RIGHTS federation.
That would be the same case with Russia too.

In contrary, genuine problem with Vovodina case is that it is establishing DISPROPORTIONAL REGIONALISATION = NON EQUAL RIGHTS, meaning that the Vojvodina with its "statute" and "Parliament" will be having some other, "better", different rights then other regions in Serbia.
This kind of asymmetrical regionalisation is based on nothing, apart of communist and Tito's background, and genuinely leads to possible separatistic tendences.

For your information none of 16 German federal states does not have its individual office in EU Institutions as it is suggested for Vojvodina as per single example of the crucial differences.

So before you add some links be sure that you know what are you speaking about.