thanks for a rare sensible comment. I am a Brit who, like many others, protested against the NATO bombing of Serbia. I now live in Belgrade, and I am generally a supporter of Serbia. However, the inability of some people here to leave the past behind and look forward is so frustrating. My grandfather fought the Germans and the Japanese, but that doesn't mean I have to spend my life hating all the people of those countries, and teach my children to do the same.
On the other hand, much of the appalling mess the western powers have made since world war II seems to be due to their complete inability to understand and respect how other cultures work. The tendency of people in the Balkans to carry grudges, hatred and revenge lust down the generations is part of life here, and hardly a secret. We may disagree strongly with that way, but we ignore it at our peril.
I don't believe NATO is involved in Iraq. That's the mess of the U.S. and U.K. for which they both paid quite dearly.
Afghanistan though is a different story. I personally believe it's a war that needed to be fought.
As far as benefits...well I can only bring an example for Albania at the moment. It made the decision not to buy expensive planes to protect its airspace. It was agreed that NATO would perform those duties. For a small country with a limited budget that's quite a relief.
Astonished, disgusted & speechless all at once is how I feel. Regrettably I lost a cousin to back in ’99 to this MONSTER & not because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or not because of Milosevic, but because she was she was a resident of Belgrade & was deemed person non gratia for something that was occurring hundreds of kilometres away.
Mr Tadic (with “Mr” being used extremely loosely) without fault again you make my skin crawl. Never did I imagine that we would stoop this low. Mr(?) Tadic, understand that we of Serbian descent are proud of our origins & morals, & in NO-WAY wish be associated with this imperialistic organisation.
Cista bruka!
Zvonko
if you want to join NATO do it please,
you have my full support.
They need some heros like you
right now in Afganistan.
Take as much NATO & "Human Rights" Sorosian LDP fanatics as you can with you.
If they send a representative to Brussels then the message is clear; NATO’s bombing of Serbia in 1999 was the right move and the Serbian people agree. I leave it up to the Serbian people.
What are Serbs thinking??? They bombed us like 10 years ago and now you want to go and die for them?
When are the next elections, surely Tadic will get the boot?
Pleas tell me who will benifit from NATO membership except fot the US of A and the UK? I have some understanding for Latvia, Estonia and Lituania wanting to join but that's about it. Who today is involved in wars? America, in Afganistan and Irak. Who is fighting these wars? All of NATOs members. Without a doubt America is the winner when nations join. Finally they will have others who will die for them and their search for oil. We will be reduced to cannon fodder. While fat americans sit in control rooms telling us what to do.
One of the benefits of belonging to an alliance...probably the main benefit..is cost.
It costs less (as % of GDP) when you pool resources with others than when you go it alone, especially when you're dealing with advanced weaponry.
Btw...just because Serbia was bombed in the 90-s does not make NATO an "evil" organization. In the end, it's a military alliance of national governments, not a government on itself.
Times change...Germany, Britain and France are in the same organization today even though they fought each other twice in the past century alone.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that the Serbian government would even contemplate sending any kind of emissary to this evil organisation, NATO.
Have they forgotten about all the atrocities committed by NATO over the last 20 years in the Balkans? Look at what a mess BiH has been left in. Look at the grief that NATO caused in Kosovo i Metohija.
I just don't understand this sinister move.
In any case, what can Serbia hope to gain from NATO?
My country, Ireland, which is situated in the North Atlantic Ocean is not a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and we are quite happy with our neutrality.
There are certain horrible people in Belgrade who will sell their country's soul for a few pieces of silver.
They disgust me!
MB,Ireland
(Micheal Breathnach, 4 November 2009 13:33)
And there was nothing that Serbia did to provoke any of this, right!
The West is giving Serbia the same exact message it have been giving Turkey for 50 years: join NATO and have your soldiers kill and die for our neoconservative empire, but fat chance if you think you will ever join the EU. And just like Turkey, Serbia is falling for it.
This is a positive step for Serbia. I would be glad to see Serbia a member of NATO too in the future. It's sad to read the misguided rantings of the usual anti-western fanatics.
Really? What if NATO is also playing games with Kosovo? What will you do if you wake up one day to find that you have been a pawn in NATO's agenda?
As for the article -- I totally understand the critical comments and it is justified -- just want to remind that there is always much more going on behind the political curtains and it's often difficult to tell what is really going on.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that the Serbian government would even contemplate sending any kind of emissary to this evil organisation, NATO.
Have they forgotten about all the atrocities committed by NATO over the last 20 years in the Balkans? Look at what a mess BiH has been left in. Look at the grief that NATO caused in Kosovo i Metohija.
I just don't understand this sinister move.
In any case, what can Serbia hope to gain from NATO?
My country, Ireland, which is situated in the North Atlantic Ocean is not a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and we are quite happy with our neutrality.
There are certain horrible people in Belgrade who will sell their country's soul for a few pieces of silver.
Why waste money on something that you will never achieve. Serbia will never join NATO, so why bother?
Is is not because Serbia is not willing, but NATO is playing games with serbia and if that time comes, NATO will demand something that Serbia will not bow or maybe they will bow to that demand. Only time can tell.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that the Serbian government would even contemplate sending any kind of emissary to this evil organisation, NATO.
Have they forgotten about all the atrocities committed by NATO over the last 20 years in the Balkans? Look at what a mess BiH has been left in. Look at the grief that NATO caused in Kosovo i Metohija.
I just don't understand this sinister move.
In any case, what can Serbia hope to gain from NATO?
My country, Ireland, which is situated in the North Atlantic Ocean is not a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and we are quite happy with our neutrality.
There are certain horrible people in Belgrade who will sell their country's soul for a few pieces of silver.
Really? What if NATO is also playing games with Kosovo? What will you do if you wake up one day to find that you have been a pawn in NATO's agenda?
As for the article -- I totally understand the critical comments and it is justified -- just want to remind that there is always much more going on behind the political curtains and it's often difficult to tell what is really going on.
The West is giving Serbia the same exact message it have been giving Turkey for 50 years: join NATO and have your soldiers kill and die for our neoconservative empire, but fat chance if you think you will ever join the EU. And just like Turkey, Serbia is falling for it.
Why waste money on something that you will never achieve. Serbia will never join NATO, so why bother?
Is is not because Serbia is not willing, but NATO is playing games with serbia and if that time comes, NATO will demand something that Serbia will not bow or maybe they will bow to that demand. Only time can tell.
Pleas tell me who will benifit from NATO membership except fot the US of A and the UK? I have some understanding for Latvia, Estonia and Lituania wanting to join but that's about it. Who today is involved in wars? America, in Afganistan and Irak. Who is fighting these wars? All of NATOs members. Without a doubt America is the winner when nations join. Finally they will have others who will die for them and their search for oil. We will be reduced to cannon fodder. While fat americans sit in control rooms telling us what to do.
What are Serbs thinking??? They bombed us like 10 years ago and now you want to go and die for them?
When are the next elections, surely Tadic will get the boot?
If they send a representative to Brussels then the message is clear; NATO’s bombing of Serbia in 1999 was the right move and the Serbian people agree. I leave it up to the Serbian people.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that the Serbian government would even contemplate sending any kind of emissary to this evil organisation, NATO.
Have they forgotten about all the atrocities committed by NATO over the last 20 years in the Balkans? Look at what a mess BiH has been left in. Look at the grief that NATO caused in Kosovo i Metohija.
I just don't understand this sinister move.
In any case, what can Serbia hope to gain from NATO?
My country, Ireland, which is situated in the North Atlantic Ocean is not a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and we are quite happy with our neutrality.
There are certain horrible people in Belgrade who will sell their country's soul for a few pieces of silver.
They disgust me!
MB,Ireland
(Micheal Breathnach, 4 November 2009 13:33)
And there was nothing that Serbia did to provoke any of this, right!
Zvonko
if you want to join NATO do it please,
you have my full support.
They need some heros like you
right now in Afganistan.
Take as much NATO & "Human Rights" Sorosian LDP fanatics as you can with you.
Astonished, disgusted & speechless all at once is how I feel. Regrettably I lost a cousin to back in ’99 to this MONSTER & not because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or not because of Milosevic, but because she was she was a resident of Belgrade & was deemed person non gratia for something that was occurring hundreds of kilometres away.
Mr Tadic (with “Mr” being used extremely loosely) without fault again you make my skin crawl. Never did I imagine that we would stoop this low. Mr(?) Tadic, understand that we of Serbian descent are proud of our origins & morals, & in NO-WAY wish be associated with this imperialistic organisation.
Cista bruka!
This is a positive step for Serbia. I would be glad to see Serbia a member of NATO too in the future. It's sad to read the misguided rantings of the usual anti-western fanatics.
One of the benefits of belonging to an alliance...probably the main benefit..is cost.
It costs less (as % of GDP) when you pool resources with others than when you go it alone, especially when you're dealing with advanced weaponry.
Btw...just because Serbia was bombed in the 90-s does not make NATO an "evil" organization. In the end, it's a military alliance of national governments, not a government on itself.
Times change...Germany, Britain and France are in the same organization today even though they fought each other twice in the past century alone.
I don't believe NATO is involved in Iraq. That's the mess of the U.S. and U.K. for which they both paid quite dearly.
Afghanistan though is a different story. I personally believe it's a war that needed to be fought.
As far as benefits...well I can only bring an example for Albania at the moment. It made the decision not to buy expensive planes to protect its airspace. It was agreed that NATO would perform those duties. For a small country with a limited budget that's quite a relief.
thanks for a rare sensible comment. I am a Brit who, like many others, protested against the NATO bombing of Serbia. I now live in Belgrade, and I am generally a supporter of Serbia. However, the inability of some people here to leave the past behind and look forward is so frustrating. My grandfather fought the Germans and the Japanese, but that doesn't mean I have to spend my life hating all the people of those countries, and teach my children to do the same.
On the other hand, much of the appalling mess the western powers have made since world war II seems to be due to their complete inability to understand and respect how other cultures work. The tendency of people in the Balkans to carry grudges, hatred and revenge lust down the generations is part of life here, and hardly a secret. We may disagree strongly with that way, but we ignore it at our peril.
Why waste money on something that you will never achieve. Serbia will never join NATO, so why bother?
Is is not because Serbia is not willing, but NATO is playing games with serbia and if that time comes, NATO will demand something that Serbia will not bow or maybe they will bow to that demand. Only time can tell.
This is a positive step for Serbia. I would be glad to see Serbia a member of NATO too in the future. It's sad to read the misguided rantings of the usual anti-western fanatics.
One of the benefits of belonging to an alliance...probably the main benefit..is cost.
It costs less (as % of GDP) when you pool resources with others than when you go it alone, especially when you're dealing with advanced weaponry.
Btw...just because Serbia was bombed in the 90-s does not make NATO an "evil" organization. In the end, it's a military alliance of national governments, not a government on itself.
Times change...Germany, Britain and France are in the same organization today even though they fought each other twice in the past century alone.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that the Serbian government would even contemplate sending any kind of emissary to this evil organisation, NATO.
Have they forgotten about all the atrocities committed by NATO over the last 20 years in the Balkans? Look at what a mess BiH has been left in. Look at the grief that NATO caused in Kosovo i Metohija.
I just don't understand this sinister move.
In any case, what can Serbia hope to gain from NATO?
My country, Ireland, which is situated in the North Atlantic Ocean is not a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and we are quite happy with our neutrality.
There are certain horrible people in Belgrade who will sell their country's soul for a few pieces of silver.
They disgust me!
MB,Ireland
(Micheal Breathnach, 4 November 2009 13:33)
And there was nothing that Serbia did to provoke any of this, right!
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that the Serbian government would even contemplate sending any kind of emissary to this evil organisation, NATO.
Have they forgotten about all the atrocities committed by NATO over the last 20 years in the Balkans? Look at what a mess BiH has been left in. Look at the grief that NATO caused in Kosovo i Metohija.
I just don't understand this sinister move.
In any case, what can Serbia hope to gain from NATO?
My country, Ireland, which is situated in the North Atlantic Ocean is not a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and we are quite happy with our neutrality.
There are certain horrible people in Belgrade who will sell their country's soul for a few pieces of silver.
Really? What if NATO is also playing games with Kosovo? What will you do if you wake up one day to find that you have been a pawn in NATO's agenda?
As for the article -- I totally understand the critical comments and it is justified -- just want to remind that there is always much more going on behind the political curtains and it's often difficult to tell what is really going on.
The West is giving Serbia the same exact message it have been giving Turkey for 50 years: join NATO and have your soldiers kill and die for our neoconservative empire, but fat chance if you think you will ever join the EU. And just like Turkey, Serbia is falling for it.
Pleas tell me who will benifit from NATO membership except fot the US of A and the UK? I have some understanding for Latvia, Estonia and Lituania wanting to join but that's about it. Who today is involved in wars? America, in Afganistan and Irak. Who is fighting these wars? All of NATOs members. Without a doubt America is the winner when nations join. Finally they will have others who will die for them and their search for oil. We will be reduced to cannon fodder. While fat americans sit in control rooms telling us what to do.
If they send a representative to Brussels then the message is clear; NATO’s bombing of Serbia in 1999 was the right move and the Serbian people agree. I leave it up to the Serbian people.
What are Serbs thinking??? They bombed us like 10 years ago and now you want to go and die for them?
When are the next elections, surely Tadic will get the boot?
Zvonko
if you want to join NATO do it please,
you have my full support.
They need some heros like you
right now in Afganistan.
Take as much NATO & "Human Rights" Sorosian LDP fanatics as you can with you.
Astonished, disgusted & speechless all at once is how I feel. Regrettably I lost a cousin to back in ’99 to this MONSTER & not because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or not because of Milosevic, but because she was she was a resident of Belgrade & was deemed person non gratia for something that was occurring hundreds of kilometres away.
Mr Tadic (with “Mr” being used extremely loosely) without fault again you make my skin crawl. Never did I imagine that we would stoop this low. Mr(?) Tadic, understand that we of Serbian descent are proud of our origins & morals, & in NO-WAY wish be associated with this imperialistic organisation.
Cista bruka!
I don't believe NATO is involved in Iraq. That's the mess of the U.S. and U.K. for which they both paid quite dearly.
Afghanistan though is a different story. I personally believe it's a war that needed to be fought.
As far as benefits...well I can only bring an example for Albania at the moment. It made the decision not to buy expensive planes to protect its airspace. It was agreed that NATO would perform those duties. For a small country with a limited budget that's quite a relief.
thanks for a rare sensible comment. I am a Brit who, like many others, protested against the NATO bombing of Serbia. I now live in Belgrade, and I am generally a supporter of Serbia. However, the inability of some people here to leave the past behind and look forward is so frustrating. My grandfather fought the Germans and the Japanese, but that doesn't mean I have to spend my life hating all the people of those countries, and teach my children to do the same.
On the other hand, much of the appalling mess the western powers have made since world war II seems to be due to their complete inability to understand and respect how other cultures work. The tendency of people in the Balkans to carry grudges, hatred and revenge lust down the generations is part of life here, and hardly a secret. We may disagree strongly with that way, but we ignore it at our peril.
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