“Serbia could integrate faster than others”

"Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador."

Read it and weep!

“Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador.

I copied this paragraph for our Albanian visitors to this site. No farther comments

EA,

Neighbour? Kosovo is part of Serbia? Or do you call Catalonia the neihgbour of Spain?

"As you "know" Kosova and Serbia "very well" tell me how Serbia is showing its "sovereignity" over Kosova? Army? Nicht! Serbian policy? No! Etc etc...
EA

In that case why is everyone pushing Serbia to recognize Kosovo? Pristina doesn't control Serb dominated areas in Kosovo which makes it more difficult to legitimize independence. Not to mention that 135 countries are totaly against this breach of international law.

Those that live in a recognized country don't have the need to state the obvious. Albanian struggle for Kosovo independence is not over. If it was you wouldn't come here on a daily basis to state the obvious.

The German Ambassador made this statement to correct the blundering gum flapping remarks of another German politician who just last week said that Serbia had to recognize Kosovo.

"Asked about European Parliament official and fellow German Doris Pack’s statement that Serbia will not enter the EU "until it solves its problems with Kosovo", Maas said that she does not speak on behalf of the German government."

-- Interesting to note that a few days ago when Doris Pack made her little hoohah speech about Serbia being forced to recognize, one poster here (and I regret I forget who) said something to the like of "don't worry, in a few days a statement will come out saying Pack doesn't speak on behalf of Germany". Like clockwork folks, like clockwork.

"1 the netherland veto 2 follow by the croatian veto"
hazel

What is wrong with you? You think one poor country like croatia or albania, should they enter before Serbia, can veto and go against the majority of EU states? EU will cut funding to these banana republics and abra kadabra voto gone.

Besides Holland will drop their resistance one Mladic dies of natural causes.

“Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador.

It looks that Doris got Packed away with this statement. One should not forget, the new admin is in and maybe the wind has slightly changed towards Serbia..., and if Germans says, then there is no other direction!
Yes, I know the k-a would argue anyway and most probably tell the Germans to go on another planet...

This discussion can go on for long, but for the time there is a number 1244 that regulates all, the rest is whishfull thinking, open eyes dreaming, nice manipulating, name it the way you want!
There is a quasi status quo on this illegal UDI and this is the reality all the blabla wind making machine is already irrelevant.

Yep, that's right. You better get rid of him before your lose Kosovo/a. Also don't forget to get rid of Jeremic too. He is the mouthpiece of Tadic. Bring on Nikolic(the savior).
(miri, 3 November 2009 22:28)

That's the smartest thing you've said so far.
See, you are coming around to Serbian way of thinking.

“Serbia could integrate faster than others”.
After 100 hundred years of war between us, now we speak about integration in a common family. And according to germans, Serbia could integrate faster than others. But which are the others? Bosnians and albanians, sure. Doesen't mean this that the European family is looking toward a religious similarity in expanding it's own boundries ? I think so. Bosnian and albanian, not only are muslims after the general perception, but they are known (at list albanians) as filo americans. So we came into politics territory which by itself means that integration is a fiction, more a CONFINES proclaim that a values integration. Even Europe - not this one, but the idealistic one can not band together albanians and serbs. Personally i wish serbians all the best, underlining that our ways are too far different.

I guess the German word for that was and is "Anschluss"....

the only union that serbia can integrate faster is the soviet union.1 the netherland veto 2 follow by the croatian veto.so tell me mister ambasador how serbia will integrate to the EU?unfortenaly TITO is dead.
(hazel, 3 November 2009 19:30)

What Croatian veto? Croatia needs to get into EU first and then let's discuss any veto they can apply. Beises, what makes you think they would even consider a veto? Has Mesic been telling you porkies again?

These elites are so scared that Tadic will lose at the next election that now they are telling us that only with Tadic Serbia can enter EU. By saying that Serbia has elected a pro European government, they stand a chance. In other words, you vote for anyone else and you will not get into EU.
If this is not proof of he is their man, what is?

Its now the good cop giving hope to the masses of eternal bliss in the EU. Tomorrow or the next day it'll be Holland or whoever setting conditions again on entry to the majic pudding club.

skerdilajd hints at an important point; the US has an interest in its supporters joining the EU so it can scupper or limit progress from within.

At present the best US allies are the UK and Poland but if Bosnia or independent kosovo was to enter this would be a further advantage for the US in its longer term economic battle against the EU. If your team is playing, it doesn't help to have paid off a few members of the opposing team does it?

“Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador.

I do not think that the ambassador will stay too long in his job if he really thinks that "EU will not call for Serbia to recognise Kosova". It doesn't make any sense for a country like Serbia wishing to join EU and not recognise its neighbour. At least Serbia will be happy to "allow" Kosova to join Albania instead. Then everyone will be happy. Serbia will keep its promise not to recognise Kosova's independence to Serbian people.

Ron,

As you "know" Kosova and Serbia "very well" tell me how Serbia is showing its "sovereignity" over Kosova? Army? Nicht! Serbian policy? No! Etc etc...

Mr. Maas forgot to say that BEFORE any other Balkan country enter the EU, they must educate their people how to live in the civilized world: i.e. do not throw garbage from the window, do not step on the lawn, etc

I do not think that the ambassador will stay too long in his job if he really thinks that "EU will not call for Serbia to recognise Kosova". It doesn't make any sense for a country like Serbia wishing to join EU and not recognise its neighbour. At least Serbia will be happy to "allow" Kosova to join Albania instead. Then everyone will be happy. Serbia will keep its promise not to recognise Kosova's independence to Serbian people.
(EA, 3 November 2009 15:24)

Cyprus don't recognized false turkish state in North - but joined to EU. An EU will never accept one Albania-Kosovo state. So - "independent" Kosovo - have any chcnce to integrate with EU without Serbia ;)

the only union that serbia can integrate faster is the soviet union.1 the netherland veto 2 follow by the croatian veto.so tell me mister ambasador how serbia will integrate to the EU?unfortenaly TITO is dead.

A kind of a revenge for the biggest partisan army in Europe. "

That was Tito, the revenge is for WWI. History is funny some times

Better yet bring Sesjel to rule. Rehabilitate Milosevic and declare Arkan national hero. Release Legija from prison and name him Interior minister. Re-commission red berets and the paratroopers and re-start arming yourself. Arrest all members of Liberal party and NGOs and declare an one party system with Radical Party in power.
(miri, 4 November 2009 15:23)

It seems to me that you want a "Kosova style" regime in Serbia?

I must say that I like some of your proposals, but in general no thanks,
"Kosova" is a unique case afterall.

Any ambassador is interested to have good relations with the local authorities. So they usually make statements which would not spoil the relations. In this private case the ambassador also have to improve the relations which had been spoiled for good with the German role in the destruction of Yugoslavia. A kind of a revenge for the biggest partisan army in Europe.

Also formally any Ambassador represents the head of his state. But in Germany the formal head (President) means nothing. Neither do I know his name. So the Ambassador represents someone who is like the English Queen. And if it is so does it worth being worried of what tactical statements he makes to improve the image of his country ?

If this is not proof of he is their man, what is?
(Peggy, 3 November 2009 20:41)

Yep, that's right. You better get rid of him before your lose Kosovo/a. Also don't forget to get rid of Jeremic too. He is the mouthpiece of Tadic. Bring on Nikolic(the savior).

MikeC,

Let me try to help you to clarify the question "...why is everyone pushing Serbia to recognize Kosovo?"

It is not about "pushing Serbia" but making Serbia aware of what it means not recognising Kosova's independence. In other words it will not help Serbia in anyway "re-integrating Kosovo/a to Serbia", secondly the European "dream" would be dead and will not help the stability in the region.

MikeC,

You wonder how Croatia or Albania would veto Serbia against other EU countries will ???

May thought that way as regards possible Slovenian or Greek vetos....but they did and nobody among other EU countries seems able make them renounce....

And no doubt Croatia, especially, will raise all conditions it can prior to Serbia integration...

Guys and girls! The coming years NO Balkan state will join EU. Maybe Croatia, but not the others!

Western Europe is sick of new members!
And face it: most Balkan states are very weak economically!

Meaning most states there will have to wait years and years and years...

Unfortunately!

That's the smartest thing you've said so far.
See, you are coming around to Serbian way of thinking.
(Peggy, 4 November 2009 02:25)

Better yet bring Sesjel to rule. Rehabilitate Milosevic and declare Arkan national hero. Release Legija from prison and name him Interior minister. Re-commission red berets and the paratroopers and re-start arming yourself. Arrest all members of Liberal party and NGOs and declare an one party system with Radical Party in power.

That is very truth Mr Ambassador not for a country but for any human being if you really want to achieve something but you got to worked out and first to be a decent and truly honest

these elites are so scared that Tadic will lose at the next election that now they are telling us that only with Tadic Serbia can enter EU. By saying that Serbia has elected a pro European government, they stand a chance. In other words, you vote for anyone else and you will not get into EU.
If this is not proof of he is their man, what is?
(Peggy, 3 November 2009 20:41)

Peggy,

it looks like you are eager to get rid of the current government and strengthen ties with russia, your natural allié. I think that serbia is not ready to join the eu. The only reason the EU/USA want serbia to join in is to have less troubles, as we all know what you are capable of doing. Maybe it is a goodd idea you sign a kind of pact with russia and the westerners forget about you once for all.

Liberty

“Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador.

I do not think that the ambassador will stay too long in his job if he really thinks that "EU will not call for Serbia to recognise Kosova". It doesn't make any sense for a country like Serbia wishing to join EU and not recognise its neighbour. At least Serbia will be happy to "allow" Kosova to join Albania instead. Then everyone will be happy. Serbia will keep its promise not to recognise Kosova's independence to Serbian people.

Any ambassador is interested to have good relations with the local authorities. So they usually make statements which would not spoil the relations. In this private case the ambassador also have to improve the relations which had been spoiled for good with the German role in the destruction of Yugoslavia. A kind of a revenge for the biggest partisan army in Europe.

Also formally any Ambassador represents the head of his state. But in Germany the formal head (President) means nothing. Neither do I know his name. So the Ambassador represents someone who is like the English Queen. And if it is so does it worth being worried of what tactical statements he makes to improve the image of his country ?

Ron,

As you "know" Kosova and Serbia "very well" tell me how Serbia is showing its "sovereignity" over Kosova? Army? Nicht! Serbian policy? No! Etc etc...

MikeC,

Let me try to help you to clarify the question "...why is everyone pushing Serbia to recognize Kosovo?"

It is not about "pushing Serbia" but making Serbia aware of what it means not recognising Kosova's independence. In other words it will not help Serbia in anyway "re-integrating Kosovo/a to Serbia", secondly the European "dream" would be dead and will not help the stability in the region.

MikeC,

You wonder how Croatia or Albania would veto Serbia against other EU countries will ???

May thought that way as regards possible Slovenian or Greek vetos....but they did and nobody among other EU countries seems able make them renounce....

And no doubt Croatia, especially, will raise all conditions it can prior to Serbia integration...

A kind of a revenge for the biggest partisan army in Europe. "

That was Tito, the revenge is for WWI. History is funny some times

the only union that serbia can integrate faster is the soviet union.1 the netherland veto 2 follow by the croatian veto.so tell me mister ambasador how serbia will integrate to the EU?unfortenaly TITO is dead.

"As you "know" Kosova and Serbia "very well" tell me how Serbia is showing its "sovereignity" over Kosova? Army? Nicht! Serbian policy? No! Etc etc...
EA

In that case why is everyone pushing Serbia to recognize Kosovo? Pristina doesn't control Serb dominated areas in Kosovo which makes it more difficult to legitimize independence. Not to mention that 135 countries are totaly against this breach of international law.

Those that live in a recognized country don't have the need to state the obvious. Albanian struggle for Kosovo independence is not over. If it was you wouldn't come here on a daily basis to state the obvious.

If this is not proof of he is their man, what is?
(Peggy, 3 November 2009 20:41)

Yep, that's right. You better get rid of him before your lose Kosovo/a. Also don't forget to get rid of Jeremic too. He is the mouthpiece of Tadic. Bring on Nikolic(the savior).

the only union that serbia can integrate faster is the soviet union.1 the netherland veto 2 follow by the croatian veto.so tell me mister ambasador how serbia will integrate to the EU?unfortenaly TITO is dead.
(hazel, 3 November 2009 19:30)

What Croatian veto? Croatia needs to get into EU first and then let's discuss any veto they can apply. Beises, what makes you think they would even consider a veto? Has Mesic been telling you porkies again?

These elites are so scared that Tadic will lose at the next election that now they are telling us that only with Tadic Serbia can enter EU. By saying that Serbia has elected a pro European government, they stand a chance. In other words, you vote for anyone else and you will not get into EU.
If this is not proof of he is their man, what is?

"Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador."

Read it and weep!

these elites are so scared that Tadic will lose at the next election that now they are telling us that only with Tadic Serbia can enter EU. By saying that Serbia has elected a pro European government, they stand a chance. In other words, you vote for anyone else and you will not get into EU.
If this is not proof of he is their man, what is?
(Peggy, 3 November 2009 20:41)

Peggy,

it looks like you are eager to get rid of the current government and strengthen ties with russia, your natural allié. I think that serbia is not ready to join the eu. The only reason the EU/USA want serbia to join in is to have less troubles, as we all know what you are capable of doing. Maybe it is a goodd idea you sign a kind of pact with russia and the westerners forget about you once for all.

Liberty

“Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador.

I copied this paragraph for our Albanian visitors to this site. No farther comments

EA,

Neighbour? Kosovo is part of Serbia? Or do you call Catalonia the neihgbour of Spain?

"1 the netherland veto 2 follow by the croatian veto"
hazel

What is wrong with you? You think one poor country like croatia or albania, should they enter before Serbia, can veto and go against the majority of EU states? EU will cut funding to these banana republics and abra kadabra voto gone.

Besides Holland will drop their resistance one Mladic dies of natural causes.

The German Ambassador made this statement to correct the blundering gum flapping remarks of another German politician who just last week said that Serbia had to recognize Kosovo.

That is very truth Mr Ambassador not for a country but for any human being if you really want to achieve something but you got to worked out and first to be a decent and truly honest

Mr. Maas forgot to say that BEFORE any other Balkan country enter the EU, they must educate their people how to live in the civilized world: i.e. do not throw garbage from the window, do not step on the lawn, etc

“Serbia could integrate faster than others”.
After 100 hundred years of war between us, now we speak about integration in a common family. And according to germans, Serbia could integrate faster than others. But which are the others? Bosnians and albanians, sure. Doesen't mean this that the European family is looking toward a religious similarity in expanding it's own boundries ? I think so. Bosnian and albanian, not only are muslims after the general perception, but they are known (at list albanians) as filo americans. So we came into politics territory which by itself means that integration is a fiction, more a CONFINES proclaim that a values integration. Even Europe - not this one, but the idealistic one can not band together albanians and serbs. Personally i wish serbians all the best, underlining that our ways are too far different.

Yep, that's right. You better get rid of him before your lose Kosovo/a. Also don't forget to get rid of Jeremic too. He is the mouthpiece of Tadic. Bring on Nikolic(the savior).
(miri, 3 November 2009 22:28)

That's the smartest thing you've said so far.
See, you are coming around to Serbian way of thinking.

That's the smartest thing you've said so far.
See, you are coming around to Serbian way of thinking.
(Peggy, 4 November 2009 02:25)

Better yet bring Sesjel to rule. Rehabilitate Milosevic and declare Arkan national hero. Release Legija from prison and name him Interior minister. Re-commission red berets and the paratroopers and re-start arming yourself. Arrest all members of Liberal party and NGOs and declare an one party system with Radical Party in power.

"Asked about European Parliament official and fellow German Doris Pack’s statement that Serbia will not enter the EU "until it solves its problems with Kosovo", Maas said that she does not speak on behalf of the German government."

-- Interesting to note that a few days ago when Doris Pack made her little hoohah speech about Serbia being forced to recognize, one poster here (and I regret I forget who) said something to the like of "don't worry, in a few days a statement will come out saying Pack doesn't speak on behalf of Germany". Like clockwork folks, like clockwork.

“Reasonable cooperation in the region does not mean that the European Union is calling for Serbia to recognize Kosovo,” said the ambassador.

It looks that Doris got Packed away with this statement. One should not forget, the new admin is in and maybe the wind has slightly changed towards Serbia..., and if Germans says, then there is no other direction!
Yes, I know the k-a would argue anyway and most probably tell the Germans to go on another planet...

This discussion can go on for long, but for the time there is a number 1244 that regulates all, the rest is whishfull thinking, open eyes dreaming, nice manipulating, name it the way you want!
There is a quasi status quo on this illegal UDI and this is the reality all the blabla wind making machine is already irrelevant.

I do not think that the ambassador will stay too long in his job if he really thinks that "EU will not call for Serbia to recognise Kosova". It doesn't make any sense for a country like Serbia wishing to join EU and not recognise its neighbour. At least Serbia will be happy to "allow" Kosova to join Albania instead. Then everyone will be happy. Serbia will keep its promise not to recognise Kosova's independence to Serbian people.
(EA, 3 November 2009 15:24)

Cyprus don't recognized false turkish state in North - but joined to EU. An EU will never accept one Albania-Kosovo state. So - "independent" Kosovo - have any chcnce to integrate with EU without Serbia ;)

Better yet bring Sesjel to rule. Rehabilitate Milosevic and declare Arkan national hero. Release Legija from prison and name him Interior minister. Re-commission red berets and the paratroopers and re-start arming yourself. Arrest all members of Liberal party and NGOs and declare an one party system with Radical Party in power.
(miri, 4 November 2009 15:23)

It seems to me that you want a "Kosova style" regime in Serbia?

I must say that I like some of your proposals, but in general no thanks,
"Kosova" is a unique case afterall.

Guys and girls! The coming years NO Balkan state will join EU. Maybe Croatia, but not the others!

Western Europe is sick of new members!
And face it: most Balkan states are very weak economically!

Meaning most states there will have to wait years and years and years...

Unfortunately!

I guess the German word for that was and is "Anschluss"....

Its now the good cop giving hope to the masses of eternal bliss in the EU. Tomorrow or the next day it'll be Holland or whoever setting conditions again on entry to the majic pudding club.

skerdilajd hints at an important point; the US has an interest in its supporters joining the EU so it can scupper or limit progress from within.

At present the best US allies are the UK and Poland but if Bosnia or independent kosovo was to enter this would be a further advantage for the US in its longer term economic battle against the EU. If your team is playing, it doesn't help to have paid off a few members of the opposing team does it?