"U.S. pressuring Holland over Serbia"

wow hillary clinton lobbying for Serbia.She really must have Serbia's best interest at heart.She should tell the story again how she landed in Bosna under heavy fire.
Whatever america says we should, we should do the opposite.God bless Serbia

Well friends, it's amazing what a visit from Medvedev and a billion dollar Russian loan (bypassing the IMF fat cats) will do to rattle NATO/EU's cage isn't it??
We now have Hillary Clinton, the same woman that scolded her husband for not sooner bombing the Serbs into oblivion (she said to him 'What are you waiting for!?'), lobbying to get Serbia into the EU. My oh my, how the mighty have fallen. :)
What's next, Richard Holbrooke (the number one Serb hater) calling for the Serb army to retake control of Kosovo? Stranger things have happened. Javier Solana went from being a hippy peacenik to becoming the Secretary General of the worlds largest killing machine - NATO! So you see, these people who lead the western world are devoid of any principles or morals, and it is very amusing and satisfying to see them grovel and switch teams on a whim.
Serbia should get even closer to Russia, and you will see the morally bankrupt west eating out of Serbia's hands.
Cheers!!

Sure let's not get overillusioned by sudden US "support" in Serbia matter.

First of all, after visit of Medvedev US wants to "balance" its "positive" influence in Serbia.

Second of all US knows that without speed and soon verification of basically irrelevant and politically not-bounding SAA, Serbia and Serbians may finally loose its interest for EU as a "distant goal" and a weapon to be used for "political blackmails" because...

Third of all, US is primarily interested in Bosnia and needs Serbia "under controle" in order to avoid Republika Srpska Referendum.

So Serbia's good is never and will not be of US concern as it may look like in this case.

Does anyone else see this? This is desperation on a scale I have never experienced in my life and I have been around for a long time.

They are so eager to have Serbia in the EU that the US is pressuring Holland to drop objections. You know Holland/Srebrenica. Let’s see just how indignant Holland really is over Srebrenica.

Hilary old girl, you have two major problems; the first is Russia and the second you have to convince the Serbian people. Although Russia is happy for Serbia to join the EU, but it has to be on its terms. This means that Serbia controls the Balkans.

The Serbian people are harder to convince and information to hand all states that Serbs hate the EU/US with a passion.

Sebia did just fine with your hate, and we would appreciate if you stay as far as you can from our affairs.
We just don`t beleive you changing spots would do us any good.
Stick with talibanians-please.

What joke when hillary is lobbying for Serbia. I really don't know how she sleeps at night after the horror and crimes she brought upon Serbian people.

USA you don't need to pressue anyone on Serbia's behalf, we like to play fair plus Serbia doesn't want EU in exchange for Kosovo. We don't sell our souls like the rest do.
Kosovo je srce Srbije ole ole!

Mrs Clinton lobbying for Serbia? No way.
Those US criminals don't have Serbia's best interests at heart. They only have theirs.

What's in it for the US? That's the only question we need to ask. Hillary has her reason and whatever they are they are not good for Serbs.

Hans

Please change your script writer because it the same as the Kosovars - NATO this and NATO that and NATO surrounding…….and future aspiring countries want to join NATO and you just watch this is not Georgia! This NATO must be like the magic slippers one size fits all. If you have a cold then its NATO to the rescue, if you’re having problems with your partner then it’s NATO again and so on.

If your NATO is that good why does it not send combat troops to Afghanistan? Isn’t it fighting for freedom and democracy over there?

Get a very firm grip on reality, but not too firm you might cut off the blood circulation to your head and turn even sillier if that’s possible.

Oh! This should make you very happy; Obama announced that US had 3% growth in the last quarter and are on their way back to being a superpower. However, they are still losing about 200,000 jobs per month. Well I suppose that’s better than 500,000 only 2 months ago.

Statistics, statistics and lies and how one transforms well into another. Early next month the US will announce details on jobs and a little birdie tells me it’s not looking good. So much for their optimism. How do you spell DEPRESSION again?

Enjoy your day. I hope I have not depressed you too much.

OOOOHHH YESSS come on come russians come...you'll understand the difference between NATO and Georgia...
(Hans, 29 October 2009 19:46)
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Now now Hans, so much hatred for this insignificant country. You forgot that we already took on NATO and we managed to get UNSCR 1244 - guaranteeing our sovereignty. We were surrounded by the NAZIs and still victorious and you think we care that NATO members surround us?

Why should Russia be scared of NATO when this coalition of the unwilling can't even defeat cave people in Afghanistan? It couldn't even defeat Serbia and it needed a weak Russia to convince us to withdraw from Kosovo. You can check your own propaganda here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV2h4F1OglE if you have any doubts.

You see, NATO needed to be used as an airforce for terrorists to achieve any kind of measly result. Also, tell your NATO chiefs to stop begging Serbia to become a member - we are simply not interested in joining this immoral killing club.

Today's U.S. special offered on the menu is called "Sugar glazed carrots". The dish description is good, surely sounds inviting, but we know the aftertaste already...Nothing to yearn for. Thank you, not this time.

Now I've seen it all - Hillary lobbying for Serbian interests, and an Albanian named Hans. Anyway, be careful of this Trojan Mare, there is no love in her heart for Serbia - there must be a self-serving motive. It will materialize eventually.

"What's next, Richard Holbrooke (the number one Serb hater) calling for the Serb army to retake control of Kosovo? (Dragan)"

-- Nah, he's got too much of a bromance going on with Thaci and Haradinaj to risk getting irate letters from jilted loved ones.

Those words, according to this, would be, “Serbia is fully cooperating with the Hague”, and "that would be enough of an alibi for the Dutch".

"Brussels has also tried to get Brammertz to say the magic words even before the Americans," concludes the newspaper.

The political world has never been so openly exposed to stupidity and on the scene dealing making.
Ready for everything not to let Russia or China getting closer to the EU borders, even Monika didn't have to go so low....

I am waiting to see just exactly how strong and passionate and real is this Dutch character and their principle stand on human issues. Is it based on Oness, Love, Truth, or on special relationships which divide people and where there is always a winner and a loser? You have no idea what a poor in spirit and blind lot you are -- the ones with all the "bright" ideas on what's wrong with the world and how to fix it. You are no different or less corrupt than the most corrupt--only the forms are differnt. And until you realize this sobering fact, you will forever be blind. The "very special" and proud Dutch leadership will soon have the opportunity to show the world if they are more like a Saarlooswolfhound or a chicken-chasing Kookerhondje--that is, when the fat lady is finished singing. My advice: Practice your dance steps as she is known to have a mean temper,especially now when the only "We win!" or "We won!" was the "Kosovo/FYROM border show"--brought to us by American tax payers and loans from China.

Grettle's comments are hilarious. But that is the internet for you.

So far these are just words from Clinton. I've yet to see real actions or pressure. I guess it is just US counter propaganda to Medvyedev's recent visit..

Still, the EU's Balkan Stability Pact is dead in the water without Serbia, if that is the price the Dutch are willing to pay.

Serbia remains the most geographically strategic location in the Balkans, the shortest trade route between Europe and Asia. No words can change this. A strong Serbia can pull up its neighbors (the hopelessly corrupt Bg & Ro) but not whilst it remains outside the EU. It is agreements between neighboring states that are most important in dealing with such problems.

That the US is building more bases in Bg & Ro is just part of it cementing its access to the Black Sea and projection of power and control over energy routes, as long as Bulgarian and Romanian politicians and citizens remain passive and/or can be bought off.

More importantly, the US' relationship with Turkey, considered the cornerstone of NATO have plummeted since the first gulf war and in particular since the second when it refused to allow its territory for the US invasion of Iraq. Like Japan, the US is having trouble when its allies don't jump any more when they are being told to jump.

The same is true of Germany, despite the brief love-in in the mid-90s, Germany's strategic vision that is adopted by almost the whole of its political class is to build a deep strategic and economic relationship with Russia despite the all the squealing from Pl and the Balts on the US' behalf.

This is no longer the 90's. The EU and US need Serbia, hence the quite significant effort, in the EU's case deliberately intervening in the sovereign affairs of Serbia's political process to make sure that Tadic and co. are elected.

It's not just democracy, it has to be the 'right kind' of democracy. Just like human rights, some are more equal than others (btw, the EU has now lifted all sanctions against Uzebekistan since the Andijan massacre and got nothing in return. The US is following a similar policy as both need Uzebkistan's help in Afghanistan and the prospect of failure and spill over there are serious.

So, the strategic balance has been and still is shifting away from the West. Even so solid ally Japan is no longer keen to play a subservient role to the US. Times are a changin'. Whinge and complain as much as you want, but there's nothing you can do about it. The West blew all its credit post-Cold War, not to mention its economic 'expertize'. A brave new world indeed.

Please Men,

Once again come back to Earth, who in EU cares about Serbia and its ...7 million inhabitants ??
They just don't want to have an extremist hole with friends of Milosevic coming to Power and burning western embassies, a hole with no future in the middle of a future prosperous Balkan.

And Russia, what Russia, you're surrounded by NAto or future NATO members...what will Russia do...how will they reach Serbia if necessary ???
Perhaps may they send their Stalin Tanks and their Khroutchev tupolev directly into NATO face ??? OOOOHHH YESSS come on come russians come...you'll understand the difference between NATO and Georgia...

Yes, I apologize, I forgot that Russia, contrary to NATO, did very well in Afganistan 30 years ago...yes they came back home with victory flowers over their tanks...

And Sj you're so keen on worrying for US unemployment...explain us how the russian rate doubled within 3 months notwithstanding it was far higher tan the american one before the crisis...and I let aside the standard of livings...

Please Men,

Once again come back to Earth, who in EU cares about Serbia and its ...7 million inhabitants ??
They just don't want to have an extremist hole with friends of Milosevic coming to Power and burning western embassies, a hole with no future in the middle of a future prosperous Balkan.

And Russia, what Russia, you're surrounded by NAto or future NATO members...what will Russia do...how will they reach Serbia if necessary ???
Perhaps may they send their Stalin Tanks and their Khroutchev tupolev directly into NATO face ??? OOOOHHH YESSS come on come russians come...you'll understand the difference between NATO and Georgia...

Does anyone else see this? This is desperation on a scale I have never experienced in my life and I have been around for a long time.

They are so eager to have Serbia in the EU that the US is pressuring Holland to drop objections. You know Holland/Srebrenica. Let’s see just how indignant Holland really is over Srebrenica.

Hilary old girl, you have two major problems; the first is Russia and the second you have to convince the Serbian people. Although Russia is happy for Serbia to join the EU, but it has to be on its terms. This means that Serbia controls the Balkans.

The Serbian people are harder to convince and information to hand all states that Serbs hate the EU/US with a passion.

Sure let's not get overillusioned by sudden US "support" in Serbia matter.

First of all, after visit of Medvedev US wants to "balance" its "positive" influence in Serbia.

Second of all US knows that without speed and soon verification of basically irrelevant and politically not-bounding SAA, Serbia and Serbians may finally loose its interest for EU as a "distant goal" and a weapon to be used for "political blackmails" because...

Third of all, US is primarily interested in Bosnia and needs Serbia "under controle" in order to avoid Republika Srpska Referendum.

So Serbia's good is never and will not be of US concern as it may look like in this case.

Yes, I apologize, I forgot that Russia, contrary to NATO, did very well in Afganistan 30 years ago...yes they came back home with victory flowers over their tanks...

And Sj you're so keen on worrying for US unemployment...explain us how the russian rate doubled within 3 months notwithstanding it was far higher tan the american one before the crisis...and I let aside the standard of livings...

Well friends, it's amazing what a visit from Medvedev and a billion dollar Russian loan (bypassing the IMF fat cats) will do to rattle NATO/EU's cage isn't it??
We now have Hillary Clinton, the same woman that scolded her husband for not sooner bombing the Serbs into oblivion (she said to him 'What are you waiting for!?'), lobbying to get Serbia into the EU. My oh my, how the mighty have fallen. :)
What's next, Richard Holbrooke (the number one Serb hater) calling for the Serb army to retake control of Kosovo? Stranger things have happened. Javier Solana went from being a hippy peacenik to becoming the Secretary General of the worlds largest killing machine - NATO! So you see, these people who lead the western world are devoid of any principles or morals, and it is very amusing and satisfying to see them grovel and switch teams on a whim.
Serbia should get even closer to Russia, and you will see the morally bankrupt west eating out of Serbia's hands.
Cheers!!

wow hillary clinton lobbying for Serbia.She really must have Serbia's best interest at heart.She should tell the story again how she landed in Bosna under heavy fire.
Whatever america says we should, we should do the opposite.God bless Serbia

Today's U.S. special offered on the menu is called "Sugar glazed carrots". The dish description is good, surely sounds inviting, but we know the aftertaste already...Nothing to yearn for. Thank you, not this time.

What joke when hillary is lobbying for Serbia. I really don't know how she sleeps at night after the horror and crimes she brought upon Serbian people.

USA you don't need to pressue anyone on Serbia's behalf, we like to play fair plus Serbia doesn't want EU in exchange for Kosovo. We don't sell our souls like the rest do.
Kosovo je srce Srbije ole ole!

OOOOHHH YESSS come on come russians come...you'll understand the difference between NATO and Georgia...
(Hans, 29 October 2009 19:46)
--
Now now Hans, so much hatred for this insignificant country. You forgot that we already took on NATO and we managed to get UNSCR 1244 - guaranteeing our sovereignty. We were surrounded by the NAZIs and still victorious and you think we care that NATO members surround us?

Why should Russia be scared of NATO when this coalition of the unwilling can't even defeat cave people in Afghanistan? It couldn't even defeat Serbia and it needed a weak Russia to convince us to withdraw from Kosovo. You can check your own propaganda here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV2h4F1OglE if you have any doubts.

You see, NATO needed to be used as an airforce for terrorists to achieve any kind of measly result. Also, tell your NATO chiefs to stop begging Serbia to become a member - we are simply not interested in joining this immoral killing club.

Mrs Clinton lobbying for Serbia? No way.
Those US criminals don't have Serbia's best interests at heart. They only have theirs.

What's in it for the US? That's the only question we need to ask. Hillary has her reason and whatever they are they are not good for Serbs.

"What's next, Richard Holbrooke (the number one Serb hater) calling for the Serb army to retake control of Kosovo? (Dragan)"

-- Nah, he's got too much of a bromance going on with Thaci and Haradinaj to risk getting irate letters from jilted loved ones.

Those words, according to this, would be, “Serbia is fully cooperating with the Hague”, and "that would be enough of an alibi for the Dutch".

"Brussels has also tried to get Brammertz to say the magic words even before the Americans," concludes the newspaper.

The political world has never been so openly exposed to stupidity and on the scene dealing making.
Ready for everything not to let Russia or China getting closer to the EU borders, even Monika didn't have to go so low....

Hans

Please change your script writer because it the same as the Kosovars - NATO this and NATO that and NATO surrounding…….and future aspiring countries want to join NATO and you just watch this is not Georgia! This NATO must be like the magic slippers one size fits all. If you have a cold then its NATO to the rescue, if you’re having problems with your partner then it’s NATO again and so on.

If your NATO is that good why does it not send combat troops to Afghanistan? Isn’t it fighting for freedom and democracy over there?

Get a very firm grip on reality, but not too firm you might cut off the blood circulation to your head and turn even sillier if that’s possible.

Oh! This should make you very happy; Obama announced that US had 3% growth in the last quarter and are on their way back to being a superpower. However, they are still losing about 200,000 jobs per month. Well I suppose that’s better than 500,000 only 2 months ago.

Statistics, statistics and lies and how one transforms well into another. Early next month the US will announce details on jobs and a little birdie tells me it’s not looking good. So much for their optimism. How do you spell DEPRESSION again?

Enjoy your day. I hope I have not depressed you too much.

Grettle's comments are hilarious. But that is the internet for you.

So far these are just words from Clinton. I've yet to see real actions or pressure. I guess it is just US counter propaganda to Medvyedev's recent visit..

Still, the EU's Balkan Stability Pact is dead in the water without Serbia, if that is the price the Dutch are willing to pay.

Serbia remains the most geographically strategic location in the Balkans, the shortest trade route between Europe and Asia. No words can change this. A strong Serbia can pull up its neighbors (the hopelessly corrupt Bg & Ro) but not whilst it remains outside the EU. It is agreements between neighboring states that are most important in dealing with such problems.

That the US is building more bases in Bg & Ro is just part of it cementing its access to the Black Sea and projection of power and control over energy routes, as long as Bulgarian and Romanian politicians and citizens remain passive and/or can be bought off.

More importantly, the US' relationship with Turkey, considered the cornerstone of NATO have plummeted since the first gulf war and in particular since the second when it refused to allow its territory for the US invasion of Iraq. Like Japan, the US is having trouble when its allies don't jump any more when they are being told to jump.

The same is true of Germany, despite the brief love-in in the mid-90s, Germany's strategic vision that is adopted by almost the whole of its political class is to build a deep strategic and economic relationship with Russia despite the all the squealing from Pl and the Balts on the US' behalf.

This is no longer the 90's. The EU and US need Serbia, hence the quite significant effort, in the EU's case deliberately intervening in the sovereign affairs of Serbia's political process to make sure that Tadic and co. are elected.

It's not just democracy, it has to be the 'right kind' of democracy. Just like human rights, some are more equal than others (btw, the EU has now lifted all sanctions against Uzebekistan since the Andijan massacre and got nothing in return. The US is following a similar policy as both need Uzebkistan's help in Afghanistan and the prospect of failure and spill over there are serious.

So, the strategic balance has been and still is shifting away from the West. Even so solid ally Japan is no longer keen to play a subservient role to the US. Times are a changin'. Whinge and complain as much as you want, but there's nothing you can do about it. The West blew all its credit post-Cold War, not to mention its economic 'expertize'. A brave new world indeed.

Sebia did just fine with your hate, and we would appreciate if you stay as far as you can from our affairs.
We just don`t beleive you changing spots would do us any good.
Stick with talibanians-please.

I am waiting to see just exactly how strong and passionate and real is this Dutch character and their principle stand on human issues. Is it based on Oness, Love, Truth, or on special relationships which divide people and where there is always a winner and a loser? You have no idea what a poor in spirit and blind lot you are -- the ones with all the "bright" ideas on what's wrong with the world and how to fix it. You are no different or less corrupt than the most corrupt--only the forms are differnt. And until you realize this sobering fact, you will forever be blind. The "very special" and proud Dutch leadership will soon have the opportunity to show the world if they are more like a Saarlooswolfhound or a chicken-chasing Kookerhondje--that is, when the fat lady is finished singing. My advice: Practice your dance steps as she is known to have a mean temper,especially now when the only "We win!" or "We won!" was the "Kosovo/FYROM border show"--brought to us by American tax payers and loans from China.

Now I've seen it all - Hillary lobbying for Serbian interests, and an Albanian named Hans. Anyway, be careful of this Trojan Mare, there is no love in her heart for Serbia - there must be a self-serving motive. It will materialize eventually.