Haradinaj could face partial Hague retrial

Kabashi fled The Hague during the Haradinaj trial and went to the U.S., of which he is a citizen.
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Funny how it's always the non-Serbians who are allowed to flee after being convicted.

Will I be glad to see this fake court close at the end of next year. No Serbian should have ever set foot in this NATO creation.

There is no such thing as partial retrial.
(Kosova-USA, 29 October 2009 10:08)

Really?

“ In its appeal, the prosecution urges the tribunal's Appeals Chamber to order a retrial on six of the 37 counts of the indictment, which refer to crimes against the Jablanica captives.”

Would you like me to explain above paragraph to you, or you think you can figure it out on your own.

If all this can happen in the Hague Tribunal imagine this case to be tried in Kosovo's courts and "institutions".There not only witnesses but even the judges would be intimidated...

Prosecutor Kremer said that both refused to testify "out of fear," and despite that the judges refused to grant the prosecution more time to try and change their minds.

As proof that Kabashi was under pressure not to take the stand, the prosecutor quoted him as saying that "protective measures do not exist in reality, but only in the courtroom"

Threat, intimidation, murders, no, such things do not exist...

Time for the justice to be done EVERYWHERE, justice is not a pick and choose game!!

" The prosecution claims that the initial trial, which resulted in the ethnic Albanian's acquittal on charges of crimes in Kosovo in 1998, was not just.
"

Are they on drugs?
This court was a joke since day one...
Also when i criminal is erroneously found not guilty,
doesn't that constitute a crime by itself?
Shouldn't certain gentlemen from Asia and Central afrika face charges for being incompetent judges and play with people's lives?

Best thing to do is drop that court. Its a disgrace against the most loving nation in Europe: YUGOSLAVS

Well its all very well analysing the legal grounds for a retrial and what might impress the tribunal.

But surely the real point is that witnesses were not provided with protection in the first place and unless their has been a drastic rethink or that they have identified new witnesses, nothing will change.

Those close to Haradinaj will threaten those witnesses and the prosecution will fail again.

And you have to ask yourself about the political will as well. This isn't just about the tribunal, its about nation states and their intelligence services - they know much of what is going on.

Still we all know who Haradinaj is and what he did. The honest argument is not whether he killed (or ordered) Serbs and Albanians - we know he did, the argument (for the honest) is whether those killings were justified or constitute a war crime.

From what I have heard and read I believe the man is guilty - but then I had access to an extensive international intelligence report or two.

Would you like me to explain above paragraph to you, or you think you can figure it out on your own.
(usaSERB, 29 October 2009 11:30)

If you do try, be sure and use small words with only one or two syllables:)

Even if Haradinaj is retried that is still not going to convince any Serbs that this court is anything other than a political anti-Serb kangaroo court meant to weaken and blacken Serbia.
What about Naser Oric? That war criminal bragged about massacring Serb civilians and even showed footage to a Toronto Star journalist, and the Hague set him free.
I find it very interesting that Hillary is lobbying to get Serbia into the EU, Haradinaj may get a retrial, and the IMF fat cats show up in Belgrade, all right after a very succesful visit from Medvedev.
This abomination of a court which has nothing to do with truth or justice has about 14 months of life left, and I am sure the Russians told the Americans that that is it, no extension, finito! Too late to start kissing Serbia's butt now. Truth and justice will prevail!

There is no such thing as partial retrial.

"Well since this points that some of them have lived on, why cant they testify?"

It's called lack of a witness protection program -- witnesses are routinely intimidated or killed, which is how people like Ceku and Haradinaj can walk free.

This guy is one of the biggest uck terrorists. He is responsible for unnimaginable crimes!

"Best thing to do is drop that court. Its a disgrace against the most loving nation in Europe: YUGOSLAVS
(Pyrros,"

So drop one fake thing for another fake thing? Fix a problem with another problem, great o_0

Actually it is better if Haradinaj will go free without a retrial, because that will make Karadzic's job of undermining the tribunal much easier.

Anyway the ICTY will be dead by 31 December 2010. Only a UNSC decision can delay that date and a veto from any permanent member will stop any tries to change that date.

ARE STUBBORN! Milosevic died in Hague...Karadzic still in Hague...Mladic on the run...while Haradinaj and Limaj DID NOT RUN AWAY...but volontarily faced the TRIBUNAL.
(EA, 29 October 2009 21:19)

Right you are and on the way eliminated a few witnesses, come on, we aren't children anymore.

"while Haradinaj and Limaj DID NOT RUN AWAY...but volontarily faced the TRIBUNAL."

Who are you kidding?!?! I'd hand myself in aswell if all the witnesses got liquidated.
Read the article once more, you may understand it?

From what I have heard and read I believe the man is guilty - but then I had access to an extensive international intelligence report or two.
(bganon, 29 October 2009 11:17)

I agree with all you said. What is the point of a retrial except to come to the same verdict and say that even with a retrial he was found not guilty? That absolves the Hague and puts an end to speculation. They cannot find him guilty now any more than they could last time but they have to go through the motions and try to clean up their image.

The witnesses are not going to recall all the details any more. Time dulls our memories so cross examining the witnesses now will be much easier. Because their memories might not be as vivid as before it will be easier to punch holes in their testimony.

I really hope I am wrong.

"Prosecutor Kremer pointed out that Kabashi was a member of the KLA in Jablanica and witnessed the abuse of prisoners, some of whom died."

Well since this points that some of them have lived on, why cant they testify?

If there is anything Hadinaj should face, he should be forced to face it, but the burdon of proof rest with the prosecution.

I think he would gladly accapt the invitation to clear his name. Unlike some "innocent" others who are afraid of revealing themselfs.

Haradinaj is just as "innocent" as Serbia was in the ICJ trial against Bosnia. But that verdict was happily accepted in Serbia. Of course, what suits will be always accepted. For the rest, the defaiming campaign will be used. How conveniant...

Cheers!

"As defense attorney Ben Emersson put it, there is no indication that the two witnesses would agree to appear in a new trial."

and why is there no indications? is it because it was indicated to the witnesses that if they agree to appear, you would agree to make them dissapear?

"Kabashi saw Balaj and Brahimaj beating up prisoners and also saw Haradinaj come to the camp often."

....come to the camp often? Is that a crime against humanity? It is a Serbian political joke guys. Haradinaj and Fatmire Limaj are classical living legends of Kosova war which Albanians call National Liberation and the Serbia "war against terror". Who is right or wrong...THE FACTS ARE STUBBORN! Milosevic died in Hague...Karadzic still in Hague...Mladic on the run...while Haradinaj and Limaj DID NOT RUN AWAY...but volontarily faced the TRIBUNAL.

No, you're all wrong. The judges were right to dismiss all charges against Haradinaj.

If you look up the full name of the aforementioned court in The Hague it extends to: International Tribunal for the Prosecution of Serbs Responsible for Serious Violations of International Humanitarian Law Committed in the Territory of the Former Yugoslavia since 1991.

Last time I checked Haradinaj is not a Serb...

There is no such thing as partial retrial.

Haradinaj is just as "innocent" as Serbia was in the ICJ trial against Bosnia. But that verdict was happily accepted in Serbia. Of course, what suits will be always accepted. For the rest, the defaiming campaign will be used. How conveniant...

Cheers!

"Prosecutor Kremer pointed out that Kabashi was a member of the KLA in Jablanica and witnessed the abuse of prisoners, some of whom died."

Well since this points that some of them have lived on, why cant they testify?

If there is anything Hadinaj should face, he should be forced to face it, but the burdon of proof rest with the prosecution.

I think he would gladly accapt the invitation to clear his name. Unlike some "innocent" others who are afraid of revealing themselfs.

" The prosecution claims that the initial trial, which resulted in the ethnic Albanian's acquittal on charges of crimes in Kosovo in 1998, was not just.
"

Are they on drugs?
This court was a joke since day one...
Also when i criminal is erroneously found not guilty,
doesn't that constitute a crime by itself?
Shouldn't certain gentlemen from Asia and Central afrika face charges for being incompetent judges and play with people's lives?

Best thing to do is drop that court. Its a disgrace against the most loving nation in Europe: YUGOSLAVS

Kabashi fled The Hague during the Haradinaj trial and went to the U.S., of which he is a citizen.
--
Funny how it's always the non-Serbians who are allowed to flee after being convicted.

Will I be glad to see this fake court close at the end of next year. No Serbian should have ever set foot in this NATO creation.

"Best thing to do is drop that court. Its a disgrace against the most loving nation in Europe: YUGOSLAVS
(Pyrros,"

So drop one fake thing for another fake thing? Fix a problem with another problem, great o_0

There is no such thing as partial retrial.
(Kosova-USA, 29 October 2009 10:08)

Really?

“ In its appeal, the prosecution urges the tribunal's Appeals Chamber to order a retrial on six of the 37 counts of the indictment, which refer to crimes against the Jablanica captives.”

Would you like me to explain above paragraph to you, or you think you can figure it out on your own.

If all this can happen in the Hague Tribunal imagine this case to be tried in Kosovo's courts and "institutions".There not only witnesses but even the judges would be intimidated...

Prosecutor Kremer said that both refused to testify "out of fear," and despite that the judges refused to grant the prosecution more time to try and change their minds.

As proof that Kabashi was under pressure not to take the stand, the prosecutor quoted him as saying that "protective measures do not exist in reality, but only in the courtroom"

Threat, intimidation, murders, no, such things do not exist...

Time for the justice to be done EVERYWHERE, justice is not a pick and choose game!!

"Kabashi saw Balaj and Brahimaj beating up prisoners and also saw Haradinaj come to the camp often."

....come to the camp often? Is that a crime against humanity? It is a Serbian political joke guys. Haradinaj and Fatmire Limaj are classical living legends of Kosova war which Albanians call National Liberation and the Serbia "war against terror". Who is right or wrong...THE FACTS ARE STUBBORN! Milosevic died in Hague...Karadzic still in Hague...Mladic on the run...while Haradinaj and Limaj DID NOT RUN AWAY...but volontarily faced the TRIBUNAL.

Actually it is better if Haradinaj will go free without a retrial, because that will make Karadzic's job of undermining the tribunal much easier.

Anyway the ICTY will be dead by 31 December 2010. Only a UNSC decision can delay that date and a veto from any permanent member will stop any tries to change that date.

Well its all very well analysing the legal grounds for a retrial and what might impress the tribunal.

But surely the real point is that witnesses were not provided with protection in the first place and unless their has been a drastic rethink or that they have identified new witnesses, nothing will change.

Those close to Haradinaj will threaten those witnesses and the prosecution will fail again.

And you have to ask yourself about the political will as well. This isn't just about the tribunal, its about nation states and their intelligence services - they know much of what is going on.

Still we all know who Haradinaj is and what he did. The honest argument is not whether he killed (or ordered) Serbs and Albanians - we know he did, the argument (for the honest) is whether those killings were justified or constitute a war crime.

From what I have heard and read I believe the man is guilty - but then I had access to an extensive international intelligence report or two.

"Well since this points that some of them have lived on, why cant they testify?"

It's called lack of a witness protection program -- witnesses are routinely intimidated or killed, which is how people like Ceku and Haradinaj can walk free.

Even if Haradinaj is retried that is still not going to convince any Serbs that this court is anything other than a political anti-Serb kangaroo court meant to weaken and blacken Serbia.
What about Naser Oric? That war criminal bragged about massacring Serb civilians and even showed footage to a Toronto Star journalist, and the Hague set him free.
I find it very interesting that Hillary is lobbying to get Serbia into the EU, Haradinaj may get a retrial, and the IMF fat cats show up in Belgrade, all right after a very succesful visit from Medvedev.
This abomination of a court which has nothing to do with truth or justice has about 14 months of life left, and I am sure the Russians told the Americans that that is it, no extension, finito! Too late to start kissing Serbia's butt now. Truth and justice will prevail!

Would you like me to explain above paragraph to you, or you think you can figure it out on your own.
(usaSERB, 29 October 2009 11:30)

If you do try, be sure and use small words with only one or two syllables:)

No, you're all wrong. The judges were right to dismiss all charges against Haradinaj.

If you look up the full name of the aforementioned court in The Hague it extends to: International Tribunal for the Prosecution of Serbs Responsible for Serious Violations of International Humanitarian Law Committed in the Territory of the Former Yugoslavia since 1991.

Last time I checked Haradinaj is not a Serb...

This guy is one of the biggest uck terrorists. He is responsible for unnimaginable crimes!

"As defense attorney Ben Emersson put it, there is no indication that the two witnesses would agree to appear in a new trial."

and why is there no indications? is it because it was indicated to the witnesses that if they agree to appear, you would agree to make them dissapear?

From what I have heard and read I believe the man is guilty - but then I had access to an extensive international intelligence report or two.
(bganon, 29 October 2009 11:17)

I agree with all you said. What is the point of a retrial except to come to the same verdict and say that even with a retrial he was found not guilty? That absolves the Hague and puts an end to speculation. They cannot find him guilty now any more than they could last time but they have to go through the motions and try to clean up their image.

The witnesses are not going to recall all the details any more. Time dulls our memories so cross examining the witnesses now will be much easier. Because their memories might not be as vivid as before it will be easier to punch holes in their testimony.

I really hope I am wrong.

ARE STUBBORN! Milosevic died in Hague...Karadzic still in Hague...Mladic on the run...while Haradinaj and Limaj DID NOT RUN AWAY...but volontarily faced the TRIBUNAL.
(EA, 29 October 2009 21:19)

Right you are and on the way eliminated a few witnesses, come on, we aren't children anymore.

"while Haradinaj and Limaj DID NOT RUN AWAY...but volontarily faced the TRIBUNAL."

Who are you kidding?!?! I'd hand myself in aswell if all the witnesses got liquidated.
Read the article once more, you may understand it?