"No conditions on U.S. aid to Pakistan"

If you want to understand why the US is collapsing just look at that party drone Richard Holbrooke. However, before you hand out any more money, I suggest that you lodge a loan application to China first.

The US is in Depression with 26% unemployed, entire suburbs in major cities abandoned, people living in tent cities and the only people working overtime are in the soup kitchens and they are handing over millions. Here is something to ponder over – charity begins at home.

Spending money like a drunken sailor on a Saturday night.

"The Clinton visit comes amid a controversy in Pakistan over a five-year, $7.5 billion civilian assistance package approved by Congress last month aimed at regularizing what has been an up and up-and-down aid relationship."

I am so curious to know what those jobless, homeless and up-to-their-necks-in-debts Americans think about $7.5 bil going to others ...... http://www.federalbudget.com/

The issue, eased somewhat by clarifications to Pakistan by Congressional leaders, may flare again with approval Friday of a defense spending bill that would require administration reporting that Pakistan is not diverting military aid intended to help fight the Taliban to build defenses against India.
B92

I don't believe the U.S senators are serious in their request to Pakistan for an honest accounting of how 7.5 billion in free money is being spent.

They probaby have short memories when 2 years ago the US senate audit commission on the money spent on the war in Iraq discovered there were 12 billion dollars unaccounted for.

Pakistan has also received around 10 billion in aid to in recent years and nobody has an idea whatsoever where most of it went.

If the US senate is serious about how aid is spent in Pakistan then they should make sure that it's spent on educating people of Pakistan.The only options the poor rural villages of Pakistan have for young boys are either go to the radical madrassas or grow heroin. Those who run the madrassas are convincing the poor to conscript their sons to the madrassas to be Taliban fighters.

If the US senate were serious about aid they should use US aid to build secular schools for the poor. Build decent schools in every village and every town. Create secular institutions that the people can trust and also spent a large part of it in infrastructure programmes.

But the US goverment will never do that because most of the aid supplied is a military one.Therefore,the money isn't going to Pakistan really. The money is going to Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and other American defense contractors.

America, you cannot bully your way into other countries anymore. Take your disgusting aid, meaning "here is money to fight for us", take your soldiers, and take your offensive diplomats (Holbrooke), and "Yankee Go Home"! WhatGod gave you the right to invade other people's land? The God of military might and money?

NO CONDITIONS for u.s. aid, but remember... if one of our drone strikes hits a school or a house full of civilians, remember... you must not look for war criminals. you cannot take the u.s. to court, under NO CONDITIONS.

""America, you cannot bully your way into other countries anymore."
WorldClass

Trust me we still can. No country can stop us.
(Joe)"

-- Except Vietnam. And Afghanistan. And Somalia. And Cuba.

Joe,
Unlike you, I was born and raised in the USA and I am embarrassed by your comment.

Your arrogance knows no limits.

Average Joe wrote:
"Slovens, Chroites, Bosnaks"

LMAO!!! Joe,
If you are as much efficient in accomplishing your missions as in your spelling ability ... then good luck!!!

"Oncle Sam is still there and for a while....
(Hans, 26 October 2009 11:27) "

Sure, your Uncle Sam will still be around ..... but a much poorer uncle that would no longer be able to live the high life on credit off the backs of others. An uncle that pretended to be Mr Money Bags for far too long even as it became the world's greatest debtor a long time back.

"Trust me we still can. No country can stop us.
(Joe, 24 October 2009 21:40)"

Then you should put your mouth where your money is. Sign up immediately for the US military (or get all your sons and nephews enlisted if Uncle Sam won't take you) and get shipped out to the next military hot spot where US body bags are returning in record numbers! Isn't it always easy to talk when it is not your own family that is bereaved and suffering?

Trust me we still can. No country can stop us. (Joe, 24 October 2009 21:40)

A legend in your own mind eh! Let’s see, the financial catastrophe has resulted in the world financial centre moving to Asia, the UK is slowly transferring its once high and mighty position of processing all world financial transactions also to Asia and will become nothing but a backwater of Europe.

US is in a depression and there are no signs of improvement despite spending all that money to date. Oh! the missile system in Poland to protect Europe against Somali rock throwers, funny how it was cancelled. I wonder why seeing that “no country can stop us”.

Joe, you just keep on thinking that way if it makes you fell good.

Your time is over, they just dont know how to tell the public.

stariVujadin,

We helped the Slovens, Chroites, Bosnaks and K-Albanians to get out of an artificial country that was both politically and economically desadvantageous for them.
(Joe, 25 October 2009 21:22)

This is why countries have things called borders and constitutions... You know? Sovereignty? The 'help' you speak of (arms, logistics, intelligence) was/is illegal. Also, if it was any state in the federation that was economically disadvantaged, it was most certainly Serbia... but we'll let you practice spelling for a while before getting into that...

"You should be the last one on this site to give moral lessons to anybody. Somebody, who over the last 2 years on this site wishes the economic collapse of the US and the related misfortune of its citizens can not be taken seriously as one who suddanly cares about them.
(Joe, 25 October 2009 15:44) "

who's giving moral lessons? I merely wrote, with a touch of irony and sarcasm, what is true about the US today. Too bad for you if the truth hurts like crazy.

Just for the record, I really couldn't care less what happen to Americans -- they elected their presidents that got them into this big mess that they found themselves today.

Joe,
sure you can, just ex-YU is nor more included in your menu any more.
Trust me.

In ex-YU our mission is already accomplished.
(Joe, 25 October 2009 17:05)

and what mission was that exactly?

With their retarded short-minded neo-colonial post Pax Americana attitude, US will very possibly manage to push the World to the brink of total economical collapse and possibly too, to the brink of cataclysmic War.

After pumping more then 1000 billion EUR in World economy winter will bring to reality simple grave fact that World have not moved single step forward and will plunge into unpredicted economic downturn.

Still US will be spending 7.5 billion for Pakistan War which is lost just as well as Afghan War.

It looks like that Americans are not intelligent enough, or to conservative dumm, to accept that their post WWII concept of running the World politics is dead and buried.

Arabs and Muslims want you to leave their lands and that is the only what you must and should do.

Your 7.5 billions is just more "oil on the fire" and another money waste.

"America, you cannot bully your way into other countries anymore."
WorldClass

Trust me we still can. No country can stop us.

stariVujadin,

We helped the Slovens, Chroites, Bosnaks and K-Albanians to get out of an artificial country that was both politically and economically desadvantageous for them.

lowe,

You should be the last one on this site to give moral lessons to anybody. Somebody, who over the last 2 years on this site wishes the economic collapse of the US and the related misfortune of its citizens can not be taken seriously as one who suddanly cares about them.

pyrros,

In ex-YU our mission is already accomplished.

Well men, let's remain realistic and don't exagerate...I know some of this forum participants would give anything to see the US collapsing but we all also know that this is something very unlikely to happen.

Notwithstanding Sj'figures which are just figures issued by his imagination, such as his laughable 26% unemployment rate, we know that americans live in debt for decades now...and everyone konw that debt isn't a real problem as long as it remain sustainable...and the american is...
Don't forget that US debt has not yet reached 100% of GDP...while the Japan one is over ....200%...and as far as I know nobody is worrying about its sustainability...and Japan is only world's second economy.

You seem quiet keen on believing (and liking) that Russia and China will replace the US.
Well, has someone in this forum ever been in Russia ??? I mean just out of Moscow'centre...?? I don't think because if you had...you'll never laugh at a few thousands homeless americans....this country is SYNONYM of Poverty...I've been in Kazan and Vladivostok...they just live like dogs...the oil money just began provide them with a clean city centre.
And don't even mention Aids, alcoholism, retarded industry and infrastructure (there's more motorways in Los Angeles than whole Russia), and population constant decreasing....I'm sorry my friends but such a country with such a weak population (140 millions) doesn't have its place in this century big deal, between China (1,5 billion), India (1,5 billion), EU (600 million) and US (more than 300 million)...

As far as China is concerned, well with 1,5 billion inhabitants, no doubt they will be the first economic power...one day...but this day has not come yet for sure...just think about more than 500 millions peasants that live in same conditions as their russian counterparts and other hundreds of millions still unemployed...they make progress rapidly but A LOT is still to be done...that's why they know the US are still the land of opportunities...otherwise they would not lend them their money...they know the can earn more in the US than at home...

The US have allways shown their ability to handle with economic downturns. Their economy is too flexible and diversificated to fail so easily...contrary to Russia which is now nothing more than a mono-industry economy like saoudian one...but contrary to saoudian one it doesn't have the biggest reserves of the world.

Oncle Sam is still there and for a while....

(Hans, 26 October 2009 11:27)

You have no concept of economics or anything for that matter. You are what I classify as a raver and ranter, one that writes a lot but it’s only words and meaningless at that. In fact, the middle section of your rant describes many of towns around the great lakes in the US. Travel a little – it’s highly recommended or talk to people who have travelled very recently.

I don't know where you live, but it must be bliss because it's not in this world or your smoking some whacky tobaky. I have seen Vladivostoks through out the EU, US and Australia. Do you mean to tell me that only the Russians and Chinese have corned the market on poverty eh?

Here is a little more information for you, prior to the financial crises there were 50 million people in the US classified as the working poor – people working 2/3 jobs but still unable to cover all their bills nor have health insurance. Read a little, its highly recommended. This figure has increased now, but surprise, surprise the US government is not releasing the current statistics.

For your edification, Hans, countries never release their real unemployment figures either – it looks bad. You have to do some research to find this out because it’s well hidden and you also have to talk to the right people that do know, but it’s all there. The real unemployment figure for the US is 26%. If it’s only 9.7% then Elvis Presley is alive and well and working in a Macdonald's store in Atlanta and Adolph Hitler is in the back cooking the Hamburgers.

For your information, Japan started the recession with $950 billion in reserves. The US was in debt to the tune of $12 trillion (the US accepts this figure so I hope you do as well) when they went belly up. That is the difference between the two countries.

"America, you cannot bully your way into other countries anymore."
WorldClass

Trust me we still can. No country can stop us.

Well men, let's remain realistic and don't exagerate...I know some of this forum participants would give anything to see the US collapsing but we all also know that this is something very unlikely to happen.

Notwithstanding Sj'figures which are just figures issued by his imagination, such as his laughable 26% unemployment rate, we know that americans live in debt for decades now...and everyone konw that debt isn't a real problem as long as it remain sustainable...and the american is...
Don't forget that US debt has not yet reached 100% of GDP...while the Japan one is over ....200%...and as far as I know nobody is worrying about its sustainability...and Japan is only world's second economy.

You seem quiet keen on believing (and liking) that Russia and China will replace the US.
Well, has someone in this forum ever been in Russia ??? I mean just out of Moscow'centre...?? I don't think because if you had...you'll never laugh at a few thousands homeless americans....this country is SYNONYM of Poverty...I've been in Kazan and Vladivostok...they just live like dogs...the oil money just began provide them with a clean city centre.
And don't even mention Aids, alcoholism, retarded industry and infrastructure (there's more motorways in Los Angeles than whole Russia), and population constant decreasing....I'm sorry my friends but such a country with such a weak population (140 millions) doesn't have its place in this century big deal, between China (1,5 billion), India (1,5 billion), EU (600 million) and US (more than 300 million)...

As far as China is concerned, well with 1,5 billion inhabitants, no doubt they will be the first economic power...one day...but this day has not come yet for sure...just think about more than 500 millions peasants that live in same conditions as their russian counterparts and other hundreds of millions still unemployed...they make progress rapidly but A LOT is still to be done...that's why they know the US are still the land of opportunities...otherwise they would not lend them their money...they know the can earn more in the US than at home...

The US have allways shown their ability to handle with economic downturns. Their economy is too flexible and diversificated to fail so easily...contrary to Russia which is now nothing more than a mono-industry economy like saoudian one...but contrary to saoudian one it doesn't have the biggest reserves of the world.

Oncle Sam is still there and for a while....

lowe,

You should be the last one on this site to give moral lessons to anybody. Somebody, who over the last 2 years on this site wishes the economic collapse of the US and the related misfortune of its citizens can not be taken seriously as one who suddanly cares about them.

pyrros,

In ex-YU our mission is already accomplished.

stariVujadin,

We helped the Slovens, Chroites, Bosnaks and K-Albanians to get out of an artificial country that was both politically and economically desadvantageous for them.

Joe,
Unlike you, I was born and raised in the USA and I am embarrassed by your comment.

Your arrogance knows no limits.

If you want to understand why the US is collapsing just look at that party drone Richard Holbrooke. However, before you hand out any more money, I suggest that you lodge a loan application to China first.

The US is in Depression with 26% unemployed, entire suburbs in major cities abandoned, people living in tent cities and the only people working overtime are in the soup kitchens and they are handing over millions. Here is something to ponder over – charity begins at home.

Spending money like a drunken sailor on a Saturday night.

With their retarded short-minded neo-colonial post Pax Americana attitude, US will very possibly manage to push the World to the brink of total economical collapse and possibly too, to the brink of cataclysmic War.

After pumping more then 1000 billion EUR in World economy winter will bring to reality simple grave fact that World have not moved single step forward and will plunge into unpredicted economic downturn.

Still US will be spending 7.5 billion for Pakistan War which is lost just as well as Afghan War.

It looks like that Americans are not intelligent enough, or to conservative dumm, to accept that their post WWII concept of running the World politics is dead and buried.

Arabs and Muslims want you to leave their lands and that is the only what you must and should do.

Your 7.5 billions is just more "oil on the fire" and another money waste.

America, you cannot bully your way into other countries anymore. Take your disgusting aid, meaning "here is money to fight for us", take your soldiers, and take your offensive diplomats (Holbrooke), and "Yankee Go Home"! WhatGod gave you the right to invade other people's land? The God of military might and money?

NO CONDITIONS for u.s. aid, but remember... if one of our drone strikes hits a school or a house full of civilians, remember... you must not look for war criminals. you cannot take the u.s. to court, under NO CONDITIONS.

"The Clinton visit comes amid a controversy in Pakistan over a five-year, $7.5 billion civilian assistance package approved by Congress last month aimed at regularizing what has been an up and up-and-down aid relationship."

I am so curious to know what those jobless, homeless and up-to-their-necks-in-debts Americans think about $7.5 bil going to others ...... http://www.federalbudget.com/

""America, you cannot bully your way into other countries anymore."
WorldClass

Trust me we still can. No country can stop us.
(Joe)"

-- Except Vietnam. And Afghanistan. And Somalia. And Cuba.

Trust me we still can. No country can stop us. (Joe, 24 October 2009 21:40)

A legend in your own mind eh! Let’s see, the financial catastrophe has resulted in the world financial centre moving to Asia, the UK is slowly transferring its once high and mighty position of processing all world financial transactions also to Asia and will become nothing but a backwater of Europe.

US is in a depression and there are no signs of improvement despite spending all that money to date. Oh! the missile system in Poland to protect Europe against Somali rock throwers, funny how it was cancelled. I wonder why seeing that “no country can stop us”.

Joe, you just keep on thinking that way if it makes you fell good.

Your time is over, they just dont know how to tell the public.

"Trust me we still can. No country can stop us.
(Joe, 24 October 2009 21:40)"

Then you should put your mouth where your money is. Sign up immediately for the US military (or get all your sons and nephews enlisted if Uncle Sam won't take you) and get shipped out to the next military hot spot where US body bags are returning in record numbers! Isn't it always easy to talk when it is not your own family that is bereaved and suffering?

Joe,
sure you can, just ex-YU is nor more included in your menu any more.
Trust me.

In ex-YU our mission is already accomplished.
(Joe, 25 October 2009 17:05)

and what mission was that exactly?

The issue, eased somewhat by clarifications to Pakistan by Congressional leaders, may flare again with approval Friday of a defense spending bill that would require administration reporting that Pakistan is not diverting military aid intended to help fight the Taliban to build defenses against India.
B92

I don't believe the U.S senators are serious in their request to Pakistan for an honest accounting of how 7.5 billion in free money is being spent.

They probaby have short memories when 2 years ago the US senate audit commission on the money spent on the war in Iraq discovered there were 12 billion dollars unaccounted for.

Pakistan has also received around 10 billion in aid to in recent years and nobody has an idea whatsoever where most of it went.

If the US senate is serious about how aid is spent in Pakistan then they should make sure that it's spent on educating people of Pakistan.The only options the poor rural villages of Pakistan have for young boys are either go to the radical madrassas or grow heroin. Those who run the madrassas are convincing the poor to conscript their sons to the madrassas to be Taliban fighters.

If the US senate were serious about aid they should use US aid to build secular schools for the poor. Build decent schools in every village and every town. Create secular institutions that the people can trust and also spent a large part of it in infrastructure programmes.

But the US goverment will never do that because most of the aid supplied is a military one.Therefore,the money isn't going to Pakistan really. The money is going to Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and other American defense contractors.

"You should be the last one on this site to give moral lessons to anybody. Somebody, who over the last 2 years on this site wishes the economic collapse of the US and the related misfortune of its citizens can not be taken seriously as one who suddanly cares about them.
(Joe, 25 October 2009 15:44) "

who's giving moral lessons? I merely wrote, with a touch of irony and sarcasm, what is true about the US today. Too bad for you if the truth hurts like crazy.

Just for the record, I really couldn't care less what happen to Americans -- they elected their presidents that got them into this big mess that they found themselves today.

Average Joe wrote:
"Slovens, Chroites, Bosnaks"

LMAO!!! Joe,
If you are as much efficient in accomplishing your missions as in your spelling ability ... then good luck!!!

"Oncle Sam is still there and for a while....
(Hans, 26 October 2009 11:27) "

Sure, your Uncle Sam will still be around ..... but a much poorer uncle that would no longer be able to live the high life on credit off the backs of others. An uncle that pretended to be Mr Money Bags for far too long even as it became the world's greatest debtor a long time back.

stariVujadin,

We helped the Slovens, Chroites, Bosnaks and K-Albanians to get out of an artificial country that was both politically and economically desadvantageous for them.
(Joe, 25 October 2009 21:22)

This is why countries have things called borders and constitutions... You know? Sovereignty? The 'help' you speak of (arms, logistics, intelligence) was/is illegal. Also, if it was any state in the federation that was economically disadvantaged, it was most certainly Serbia... but we'll let you practice spelling for a while before getting into that...

(Hans, 26 October 2009 11:27)

You have no concept of economics or anything for that matter. You are what I classify as a raver and ranter, one that writes a lot but it’s only words and meaningless at that. In fact, the middle section of your rant describes many of towns around the great lakes in the US. Travel a little – it’s highly recommended or talk to people who have travelled very recently.

I don't know where you live, but it must be bliss because it's not in this world or your smoking some whacky tobaky. I have seen Vladivostoks through out the EU, US and Australia. Do you mean to tell me that only the Russians and Chinese have corned the market on poverty eh?

Here is a little more information for you, prior to the financial crises there were 50 million people in the US classified as the working poor – people working 2/3 jobs but still unable to cover all their bills nor have health insurance. Read a little, its highly recommended. This figure has increased now, but surprise, surprise the US government is not releasing the current statistics.

For your edification, Hans, countries never release their real unemployment figures either – it looks bad. You have to do some research to find this out because it’s well hidden and you also have to talk to the right people that do know, but it’s all there. The real unemployment figure for the US is 26%. If it’s only 9.7% then Elvis Presley is alive and well and working in a Macdonald's store in Atlanta and Adolph Hitler is in the back cooking the Hamburgers.

For your information, Japan started the recession with $950 billion in reserves. The US was in debt to the tune of $12 trillion (the US accepts this figure so I hope you do as well) when they went belly up. That is the difference between the two countries.