Serbian, Russian leaders honor Belgrade liberators

"Didn't Germany offer Yugoslavia complete neutrality but the Serbs rejected it thu"
Boristhebarber

Yes! Hitler Germany was famous for keeping its promises. Didn't they promise Russia not to invade them? What happend?

Hopefully Medvedev addresses the issue of Cica Draza

"Didn't Germany offer Yugoslavia complete neutrality but the Serbs rejected it thus causing the invasion."
Boristhebarber

Didn't Serbs offer k-albanians autonomy but it was rejected by the albanians thus causing the war?

Srba Come Come.How many Soviet citizens welcomed Hitler's armies after the Red Terror of the 1930s?Not sure how many were killed by the Nazis but a lot more were killed by their own people.Who divided Poland in 1939? Who wouldn't allow Soviet forces to retreat , who send all prisoners back to Gulag? Yugoslavia tragically fell under the Red Terror of Broz were thousands were killed as class enemies,so much terror that Tito himself admitted that people had lost all fear of death.Mihailovic was pro Western.Tito in 1941 hadn't defended Yugoslavia when the Germans attacked and in Kraljevo Communists opened fire on retreating Yugoslav troops.In the 1930s they plotted along the Fascist Ustasha to destroy Yugoslavia.
It is very symbolic that The Stalinist Red Army joined up with the Stalinist Tito Army to smash the Cetnik hold Mihailovic had over Serbia where the latter were defeated by the onslaught plus the fact that the British were arming the Partisans.
Ironic that today the successor to Stalin Medveddev is in Belgrade with Tadic whose own father was a political Commissar with no doubt innocent blood on his hands.History is often riddiculous crazy and illogical but let's not have the old chestnut that The Communists freed Yugosvia .They enslaved it and set it back 50 years.What is Tito's legacy today? An absurd mausoleum called the House of Flowers.Several hundred thousand Communist pensioners supported by a Democratic Serbia whose own descendants were slaughtered by these Stalinists.What remains of his Stalinist ideas? What did he leave behind? A nonsense called Brotherhood and Unity the silly Serbs believed in but not The Croats and a few aging statues here and there.

Srba, Cica Draza was awarded the highest honor by the United States after his death. . . This man was a hero and he should be found and given a proper burial. Dont be jealous because obviously war criminals and monsters came out of your nationality, which if I had to guess would be Croat, Albanian, or even American.

Why should Medvedev be speaking out on behalf of a nazi collaborator when 20 million Russians died at nazi hands?
(Srba, 20 October 2009 15:39)

"Srbo"

That is exactly my question regarding Yugoslav Partizans...They did not fight in defence of the Serbian people but on the side of Nazis & ustase against the Serbian people. I would hope that President Medvedev talks of General Mihailovich and the Royal Yugoslav army...the only legal army and anti-fascist movement in WWII Yugoslavia.

To remind you that the KPJ, (the political organ of the Partizan movement) and the Ustasha organization began their collaboration to destroy the Crown, and of coarse the Serbian people, back in 1932, 9 years prior to WWII. Also, to remind you, General Mihailovich at the head of the Royal Army, began their fight against the Nazis long before the Stalin-Hitler pact (which was honored by the KPJ as well) fell apart.

Get your facts straight.

A fitting tribute to the men and women of the heroic Partizans led by Comrade Tito who fought the Nazis and their internal fascist collaborators, the Ustasa, SS Handzhar and SS Skenderbeg amoung others.

You Serb nationalists need to grow up. Draza Mihailovic was a nothing nobody who wanted a bourgeois (ex pig farmer) monarchy where the pampered capitalist classes would keep their privileged positions of power. No thanks.

Smrt faszicmu, sloboda narodu. I'm a proud man today. Thank you President Medvedev for your support.

Well lets not lose perspective with this Nik I can't agree with all of what you say. Apart from anything else its ilogical to call Tito Stalinist, just as it would be illogical to call Stalin Titoist.

Titoism to the slightly educated western mind meant a course between east and west, it meant a workers self management programme etc. Then under Tito there were different Titos in different eras, but its fair to say that an ordinary Jugoslav citizen would notice he relaxed political control as he aged. On the other hand we all know his abuses - Goli Otok, the murder of soldiers and improper trial of his opponents. On the other hand we also know that under Tito the media had more freedom than any country in e europe (towards 70's)

Yes some will still believe him the biggest hero ever. And others will invest all their soul in supporting Draza. But nor was Draza nothing. He may have had humble origins like Tito and perhaps the chattering clases (Kostunica types in Belgrade at the time) alongside royals would have benefitted by Mihailovic had he succeeded. Then again he had mostly the support of the working clases. I don't compare Draza personally to those accused of war crimes in this latest war for example - perhaps that is naievty on my part but it seems to me that Draza was not callous in this way.

These competing naratives and exaggerations on one side or the other are not close to the truth nor do they help Serbian society.

But on the point we should all remember the war dead and remember just what the last world war was about. It was about defeating tyranny and nazism. And we must continue to fight against that.

If I were a single russian man I would move to Serbia right away. I could have 100 wives on the spot.
(Herman, 20 October 2009 18:41)

Polygamy is illegal in Serbia but the way things are shaping up in Kosovo, you just might be in luck.

Great we get Tito and 40+ years of communism rape and killings!!! Serbia do your homework.

Was Tito a Stalinist and Stalin a Titoist? Both of them, like Hitler, were murderers. Those were crazy times. The WWI blew up the entire civilization as it was known all over Eastern Europe. The Enlightenment ideas that the state was a servant of the people, called to protect their lives. their freedom and their property were replaced with brutal ideologies calling for the “rights” of the classes, the races etc. Luckily the dictator’s friendship could not last. And while it was the Russian soldiers who broke the spine of Hitler’s Wehrmacht the US managed to restore some normalcy in Western Europe. Yugoslavia’s paradoxical luck came from the fact that Tito was strong enough and while he was happy to act as Stalin in the first years of his rule, he was not ready to act as a yes-man to Stalin. Once outside the Moscow camp, his regime was gradually Westernized and two generations of Yugoslavians enjoyed freedoms unheard of in the rest of the Soviet camp.

Obilic, United States is an aggressor, bombed us and still occupy our land. How much is their medal worth?

Let us not forget Germany's allies during ww2.

Italy, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Spain, Bosnia, Romania, Vichy France, Czechs, Cossacks, Ukraine, The baltic states etc etc..

As a matter of fact Germany had the biggest foreign Volunteer army ever recorded in history!!!

For some unknown reason my last post was not published. It seems some people at B92 may have a different view of Draza, maybe it's because of the communist times they grew up in and what they were taught in school. Anyway, America was different back in WW2 days. The knew that backed the wrong man (Tito), so did the british and even de gaulle of France. These Balkan wars would have never happened had Draza's side had all the support from the allies. It's a shame!

Why should Medvedev be speaking out on behalf of a nazi collaborator when 20 million Russians died at nazi hands?

Didn't Germany offer Yugoslavia complete neutrality but the Serbs rejected it thus causing the invasion.

I assume G.I.Joe was not even mentioned during this event.

If I were a single russian man I would move to Serbia right away. I could have 100 wives on the spot.

I assume G.I.Joe was not even mentioned during this event.

If I were a single russian man I would move to Serbia right away. I could have 100 wives on the spot.

Didn't Germany offer Yugoslavia complete neutrality but the Serbs rejected it thus causing the invasion.

Srba Come Come.How many Soviet citizens welcomed Hitler's armies after the Red Terror of the 1930s?Not sure how many were killed by the Nazis but a lot more were killed by their own people.Who divided Poland in 1939? Who wouldn't allow Soviet forces to retreat , who send all prisoners back to Gulag? Yugoslavia tragically fell under the Red Terror of Broz were thousands were killed as class enemies,so much terror that Tito himself admitted that people had lost all fear of death.Mihailovic was pro Western.Tito in 1941 hadn't defended Yugoslavia when the Germans attacked and in Kraljevo Communists opened fire on retreating Yugoslav troops.In the 1930s they plotted along the Fascist Ustasha to destroy Yugoslavia.
It is very symbolic that The Stalinist Red Army joined up with the Stalinist Tito Army to smash the Cetnik hold Mihailovic had over Serbia where the latter were defeated by the onslaught plus the fact that the British were arming the Partisans.
Ironic that today the successor to Stalin Medveddev is in Belgrade with Tadic whose own father was a political Commissar with no doubt innocent blood on his hands.History is often riddiculous crazy and illogical but let's not have the old chestnut that The Communists freed Yugosvia .They enslaved it and set it back 50 years.What is Tito's legacy today? An absurd mausoleum called the House of Flowers.Several hundred thousand Communist pensioners supported by a Democratic Serbia whose own descendants were slaughtered by these Stalinists.What remains of his Stalinist ideas? What did he leave behind? A nonsense called Brotherhood and Unity the silly Serbs believed in but not The Croats and a few aging statues here and there.

Why should Medvedev be speaking out on behalf of a nazi collaborator when 20 million Russians died at nazi hands?

Great we get Tito and 40+ years of communism rape and killings!!! Serbia do your homework.

A fitting tribute to the men and women of the heroic Partizans led by Comrade Tito who fought the Nazis and their internal fascist collaborators, the Ustasa, SS Handzhar and SS Skenderbeg amoung others.

You Serb nationalists need to grow up. Draza Mihailovic was a nothing nobody who wanted a bourgeois (ex pig farmer) monarchy where the pampered capitalist classes would keep their privileged positions of power. No thanks.

Smrt faszicmu, sloboda narodu. I'm a proud man today. Thank you President Medvedev for your support.

Why should Medvedev be speaking out on behalf of a nazi collaborator when 20 million Russians died at nazi hands?
(Srba, 20 October 2009 15:39)

"Srbo"

That is exactly my question regarding Yugoslav Partizans...They did not fight in defence of the Serbian people but on the side of Nazis & ustase against the Serbian people. I would hope that President Medvedev talks of General Mihailovich and the Royal Yugoslav army...the only legal army and anti-fascist movement in WWII Yugoslavia.

To remind you that the KPJ, (the political organ of the Partizan movement) and the Ustasha organization began their collaboration to destroy the Crown, and of coarse the Serbian people, back in 1932, 9 years prior to WWII. Also, to remind you, General Mihailovich at the head of the Royal Army, began their fight against the Nazis long before the Stalin-Hitler pact (which was honored by the KPJ as well) fell apart.

Get your facts straight.

Hopefully Medvedev addresses the issue of Cica Draza

"Didn't Germany offer Yugoslavia complete neutrality but the Serbs rejected it thus causing the invasion."
Boristhebarber

Didn't Serbs offer k-albanians autonomy but it was rejected by the albanians thus causing the war?

Well lets not lose perspective with this Nik I can't agree with all of what you say. Apart from anything else its ilogical to call Tito Stalinist, just as it would be illogical to call Stalin Titoist.

Titoism to the slightly educated western mind meant a course between east and west, it meant a workers self management programme etc. Then under Tito there were different Titos in different eras, but its fair to say that an ordinary Jugoslav citizen would notice he relaxed political control as he aged. On the other hand we all know his abuses - Goli Otok, the murder of soldiers and improper trial of his opponents. On the other hand we also know that under Tito the media had more freedom than any country in e europe (towards 70's)

Yes some will still believe him the biggest hero ever. And others will invest all their soul in supporting Draza. But nor was Draza nothing. He may have had humble origins like Tito and perhaps the chattering clases (Kostunica types in Belgrade at the time) alongside royals would have benefitted by Mihailovic had he succeeded. Then again he had mostly the support of the working clases. I don't compare Draza personally to those accused of war crimes in this latest war for example - perhaps that is naievty on my part but it seems to me that Draza was not callous in this way.

These competing naratives and exaggerations on one side or the other are not close to the truth nor do they help Serbian society.

But on the point we should all remember the war dead and remember just what the last world war was about. It was about defeating tyranny and nazism. And we must continue to fight against that.

Srba, Cica Draza was awarded the highest honor by the United States after his death. . . This man was a hero and he should be found and given a proper burial. Dont be jealous because obviously war criminals and monsters came out of your nationality, which if I had to guess would be Croat, Albanian, or even American.

For some unknown reason my last post was not published. It seems some people at B92 may have a different view of Draza, maybe it's because of the communist times they grew up in and what they were taught in school. Anyway, America was different back in WW2 days. The knew that backed the wrong man (Tito), so did the british and even de gaulle of France. These Balkan wars would have never happened had Draza's side had all the support from the allies. It's a shame!

"Didn't Germany offer Yugoslavia complete neutrality but the Serbs rejected it thu"
Boristhebarber

Yes! Hitler Germany was famous for keeping its promises. Didn't they promise Russia not to invade them? What happend?

If I were a single russian man I would move to Serbia right away. I could have 100 wives on the spot.
(Herman, 20 October 2009 18:41)

Polygamy is illegal in Serbia but the way things are shaping up in Kosovo, you just might be in luck.

Was Tito a Stalinist and Stalin a Titoist? Both of them, like Hitler, were murderers. Those were crazy times. The WWI blew up the entire civilization as it was known all over Eastern Europe. The Enlightenment ideas that the state was a servant of the people, called to protect their lives. their freedom and their property were replaced with brutal ideologies calling for the “rights” of the classes, the races etc. Luckily the dictator’s friendship could not last. And while it was the Russian soldiers who broke the spine of Hitler’s Wehrmacht the US managed to restore some normalcy in Western Europe. Yugoslavia’s paradoxical luck came from the fact that Tito was strong enough and while he was happy to act as Stalin in the first years of his rule, he was not ready to act as a yes-man to Stalin. Once outside the Moscow camp, his regime was gradually Westernized and two generations of Yugoslavians enjoyed freedoms unheard of in the rest of the Soviet camp.

Obilic, United States is an aggressor, bombed us and still occupy our land. How much is their medal worth?

Let us not forget Germany's allies during ww2.

Italy, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Spain, Bosnia, Romania, Vichy France, Czechs, Cossacks, Ukraine, The baltic states etc etc..

As a matter of fact Germany had the biggest foreign Volunteer army ever recorded in history!!!