Election boycotts "obsolete", says U.S. envoy

blah blah blah - obsolete is US politics of creation of pseudoindependent american puppet "states" and changing european borders against international law. This politics is back to a period 50 years ago.

Obsolete manner?

As I can recall Serbia did not recognize Kosovo so following the principles of the simple logic Kosovo Serbs are consequently asked not to participate the elections of, by Serbia, not recognized state. This should be consequent to anyone using his brain cells.

All the rest is just empty politisation: if Kosovo Serbs are to join that "election" they will legitimate the institutions of the “state” they did not and will not recognize.

Christopher Dell certainly expects and represents the idea of "step by step" recognition: get Kosovo Serbs involved with this "election" and then keep on further legitimizing the institutions of that illegal state.

Simple answer of the Serbian side should be: NO, in all of its alternation.

What's also "obsolete" is referencing Kosovo as a "functioning" and "multiethnic" state.

If it was so obsolete you won't be talking about it. The only obsolete idea is the ahsaarti plan whoever you pronounce that ridiculous name.

"He also stated "that such a policy was more for the sake of the government in Belgrade than for the Serbs living in Kosovo".

Since Serbia has not, and will not, recognize Kosovo it has the right to approach Kosovo they way it feels it could and should. Remember mr ambassador that according to international law and resolution 1244 Kosovo is still Serbia. The sooner you realize the better.

Funny, the U.S. never condemned opposition boycotts of elections in Serbia or the Albanian boycotts (which incidentally had they voted with even 40% participation wouldn't of meant Slobo in power).

Mr. Dell, the A-plan was never endorsed by the security counsel, thus it is void. This demonstrates how "obsolete" America's view in Kosovo is. Serbia never recognized an independent Albanian Kosovo - nor the bigger majority of the world. This same thinking is 10 years old. Whatever happened to pragmatic approaches?

dell:

Take your occupying army and get the hell out of our Holy Land!

There should be NO DECENTRALISATION should the Kosova Serbs do not participate in coming elections. For God's sake STOP begging Serbs to participate and STOP blaming Albanians for Serbian "misfortunate".
There should be not a single chance for Serbia to join EU without recognising Kosova's independence first. If the opposite is allowed then Kosova should joint Albanian formally. That would be the end of the Kosova's story.
(EA, 17 October 2009 17:26)
Yeah. No decentralization!!. All KiM should back to Serbia!!

One of the posters mentined Ahtisary PLAN.
How soon you forgat that Ahtisai was appointed by UNSC to sit with both sides and in the end he had the ultimate authority to decide for the future of Kosova and Serbia. He did and its a done deal.
(Kosova-USA, 17 October 2009 15:02)

Do You remember another UN dictate - Annan Plan for Cyprus?? This "Plan" similar to Ahtisaari "Plan" supported only one side, so - other side (Republic of Cyprus and Republic of Serbia) refused this pseudoplans.

American power is obsolete, hence they're withdrawing their troops & handing the country to Europe which is dependant on RUS for energy & is thus controled by Moscow, which is taking control slowly but surely, avoiding openly humiliating the West as it takes over.

It looks that this guy has already been too long down there and sniffed too much white powder!
He even managed to get from under the carpet the medal catcher plan that everybody had already forgotten and thrown in the garbage.

Mr Dell, back in Europe we are sick and tired of the US obsolete destructive
"democracy", where ever you have been, you left a battle field and 10 of thousands of dead innocent people!
You are such a buch of coward that you do not even want to sign any war conventions, so pls, stop spreading your bs and go and clean in front of your stinky door!

Yes it is, kosovari. How can you be a nation, if you do not have status as a nation. Only the UN can give you that - not the US. I think you confuse the two.

"One of the posters mentined Ahtisary PLAN.
How soon you forgat that Ahtisai was appointed by UNSC to sit with both sides and in the end he had the ultimate authority to decide for the future of Kosova and Serbia. He did and its a done deal.
(Kosova-USA, 17 October 2009 15:02) "

And how soon you forget that Ahtisaari's proposals (which would have replaced the main provisions of 1244) had to be approved by the UNSC to be valid, and they were not.

That's why to this day Kosovo continues to remain outside the UN. And are fated to do so indefinitely. Don't believe me? Ask Taiwan. It has been waiting for nearly 40 years now.

we both know that UN membership is not a pre-requisit to be/become a country.
(KOSOVARi, 17 October 2009 19:51)
--
So what are the prerequisites for a country? You'd think that controlling ones borders and entire territory along with not having any occupying forces or administrators in place would be a good start.

One day the West will get it right in Kosovo. That is the day they exit. Serbia has had many challenges to its integrity and we will always be victorious.

He also stated "that such a policy was more for the sake of the government in Belgrade than for the Serbs living in Kosovo", but he added that he still hoped Belgrade "would not interfere in the coming weeks and obstruct the elections".


I have written several coments how K-Serbs are used as pawns for the benefit of Belgrade officials. Here you have it again from ambassador Dell.

One of the posters mentined Ahtisary PLAN.
How soon you forgat that Ahtisai was appointed by UNSC to sit with both sides and in the end he had the ultimate authority to decide for the future of Kosova and Serbia. He did and its a done deal.

I think it should be up to the individual Kosovo-Serb to vote or not. No-one should tell them what to do.

"Wonder what the people of Kosovo would think is better?
1. Not having a voice at the UN but maintaining diplomatic relations and support from the 62 countries that have thus far recognized it.
2. Rejoin Serbia and not have a voice at the UN and only have what diplomatic relations and support that Serbia allows.
I am sure many people would be awake at night trying to decide on that question.
(pss, 17 October 2009 17:59) "

well, obviously the answer would depend on whether you are asking people north or south of the Ibar. I can bet you the answer would be very different.

There is a third way which so far "Kosova" has refused to do because it had the underhanded support of the US. Which is to negotiate with Belgrade. When I say negotiate, of course I am talking about REAL negotiations, not the fake ones orchestrated by Ahtisaari and the West which, as expected could not fool the UNSC.

"we both know that UN membership is not a pre-requisit to be/become a country.
(KOSOVARi, 17 October 2009 19:51) "

then by all means enjoy being left out of the UN in the cold.

And I put it to you that this show of indifference on your part is not shared by the Pristina government itself. Otherwise what was Hyseni doing at the UN just so recently? Sightseeing? I think not.

That's why to this day Kosovo continues to remain outside the UN. And are fated to do so indefinitely. Don't believe me? Ask Taiwan. It has been waiting for nearly 40 years now.
(lowe, 17 October 2009 16:00)
Wonder what the people of Kosovo would think is better?
1. Not having a voice at the UN but maintaining diplomatic relations and support from the 62 countries that have thus far recognized it.
2. Rejoin Serbia and not have a voice at the UN and only have what diplomatic relations and support that Serbia allows.
I am sure many people would be awake at night trying to decide on that question.

There should be NO DECENTRALISATION should the Kosova Serbs do not participate in coming elections. For God's sake STOP begging Serbs to participate and STOP blaming Albanians for Serbian "misfortunate".
There should be not a single chance for Serbia to join EU without recognising Kosova's independence first. If the opposite is allowed then Kosova should joint Albanian formally. That would be the end of the Kosova's story.

Joey, stop spreading your pointless propaganda! Those who prevent normal lives in Kosmet are albanian nationalists and others who support them. Albanians treated Serbs very bad for the past twenty years! So, who has right to ask anyone to live with albanians?

PSS wrote,

"The previous negotiations were real, unfortunately Serbia never stepped up to the plate with any type of viable options."

And what was a viable option in your opinion? Anything less than independence was not going to be considered so don't come here pretending like you were ever going to negotiate.

You went to those negotiations with an outcome already predetermined.

"The previous negotiations were real, unfortunately Serbia never stepped up to the plate with any type of viable options.
Accept your role as a subserveant population of Serbia was never an offer that anyone other than Serbs could accept.
(pss, 18 October 2009 20:09)"

Oh come on! Everyone knows that the K-Albanians were promised independence by the US even before negotiations started. You call that real? It was a real farce from Day 1!

"And what is it that the Serbs would offer if the Albanians were to go back to the negotiation table? Just curious.
(Zoti, 19 October 2009 15:54) "

How would I know? You should ask the Serbians. My point was that real negotiations wasn never given a chance in the first place.

Just as you asked what the Serbs should concede, I would also pose the question to you as to what the Albanians themselves would have been prepared to offer in return. It cannot be just one side doing the offering only.

And for the record, real negotiations usually result in a genuine compromise where no side gets to lose everything and each side must give ground. That clearly did not happen and the UDI was not an agreement but an imposition by one side that ran counter to 1244.

If look back at what the albos did in the 80's. They setup parallel institutions, which is what serbs should do whenever possible. This is when Serbs around the world need to help support. Give money to Kosovo charities to keep the Serbs there and afloat and for gods sake..SETUP YOUR OWN POLICE and requiring a boycott of KPS & EULEX.

@ IOWE,

we both know that UN membership is not a pre-requisit to be/become a country.

the USA is the only superpower in the world.without the OK of them nothing can be done in this world.they controll 99% of the money 99% of army and when it comes to europe the only country in the world that has a innfluence is the USA face it serbs! and if the US is angry they simple send about 1000 jets and bombs a country and no one can stop them remember serbia 1999 , remember irak , 1991,2002,remember afghanistan 2002,remember korea 1950-1953 and much more

Christopher Dell,

Do you know the law...I mean of the international law flavour that is? If so, what is the Ahtisarri plan in accordance to International Law and in respect to the UN mission? You must be versed in SC 1244? Read it, understand it and follow it, and in the meantime, ask yourself and your superiors whether it is legal by International Law to do your job, or lack thereof.

Why are some people so upset with Mister Dell telling the truth? He just expresses the opinion of so many people who note that Serbia still fails to recognize the requirements of our time. First Serbia committed the grave error to not treat her 2 million ethnic Albanian citizens equally due to her obsolate nationalistic policy. Now - ten years later after the loss of Kosovo - Serbia do everything possible to prevent the peaceful coexistence of K-Albanians and K-Serbs. This policy is trully conterproductive and obsolate.

There is a third way which so far "Kosova" has refused to do because it had the underhanded support of the US. Which is to negotiate with Belgrade. When I say negotiate, of course I am talking about REAL negotiations, not the fake ones orchestrated by Ahtisaari and the West which, as expected could not fool the UNSC.
(lowe, 18 October 2009 07:56)
The previous negotiations were real, unfortunately Serbia never stepped up to the plate with any type of viable options.
Accept your role as a subserveant population of Serbia was never an offer that anyone other than Serbs could accept.

'American power is obsolete, hence they're withdrawing their troops & handing the country to Europe which is dependant on RUS for energy & is thus controled by Moscow, which is taking control slowly but surely, avoiding openly humiliating the West as it takes over.
(highduke, 17 October 2009 15:05) '

Not so fast there - the U.S. has discovered ways to extract gas from new types of deposits and is selling the technology to the Europeans, who have large enough reserves to become essentially independent of Russian gas. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6299291/Energy-crisis-is-postponed-as-new-gas-rescues-the-world.html , for example. Russia will probably be able to continue to sell gas to China (they have large shale gas reserves, but not the water needed to exploit them), but the energy levers Russia hoped to use on Europe aren't nearly as powerful as was once supposed.

Oh come on! Everyone knows that the K-Albanians were promised independence by the US even before negotiations started. You call that real? It was a real farce from Day 1!
(lowe, 19 October 2009 05:09)

And what is it that the Serbs would offer if the Albanians were to go back to the negotiation table? Just curious.

The only thing that is obsolete is the US of A. A failed superpower now financially held together with the help of its vasal states and China.

Christopher Dell lives in a past time like all current US administrators or party drones. Once the mighty eagle then morphed into hawkes and now chicken hawkes living off scraps and believing their own propaganda.

Well, this American person should check 1244. Then he would learn that Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN.

Serbs and others in Kosovo should not legitimize illegal Kosovo independence.

Instead of blaming Belgrade he should urge all in Kosovo not to take part in these elections.

If the US really respects international law it should unrecognize Kosovo immediatelly.

Again: to all in Kosovo: please do NOT take part in these elections. Thanks in advance from the international law respecting part of the world!

He also stated "that such a policy was more for the sake of the government in Belgrade than for the Serbs living in Kosovo", but he added that he still hoped Belgrade "would not interfere in the coming weeks and obstruct the elections".


I have written several coments how K-Serbs are used as pawns for the benefit of Belgrade officials. Here you have it again from ambassador Dell.

One of the posters mentined Ahtisary PLAN.
How soon you forgat that Ahtisai was appointed by UNSC to sit with both sides and in the end he had the ultimate authority to decide for the future of Kosova and Serbia. He did and its a done deal.

There should be NO DECENTRALISATION should the Kosova Serbs do not participate in coming elections. For God's sake STOP begging Serbs to participate and STOP blaming Albanians for Serbian "misfortunate".
There should be not a single chance for Serbia to join EU without recognising Kosova's independence first. If the opposite is allowed then Kosova should joint Albanian formally. That would be the end of the Kosova's story.

American power is obsolete, hence they're withdrawing their troops & handing the country to Europe which is dependant on RUS for energy & is thus controled by Moscow, which is taking control slowly but surely, avoiding openly humiliating the West as it takes over.

That's why to this day Kosovo continues to remain outside the UN. And are fated to do so indefinitely. Don't believe me? Ask Taiwan. It has been waiting for nearly 40 years now.
(lowe, 17 October 2009 16:00)
Wonder what the people of Kosovo would think is better?
1. Not having a voice at the UN but maintaining diplomatic relations and support from the 62 countries that have thus far recognized it.
2. Rejoin Serbia and not have a voice at the UN and only have what diplomatic relations and support that Serbia allows.
I am sure many people would be awake at night trying to decide on that question.

@ IOWE,

we both know that UN membership is not a pre-requisit to be/become a country.

Why are some people so upset with Mister Dell telling the truth? He just expresses the opinion of so many people who note that Serbia still fails to recognize the requirements of our time. First Serbia committed the grave error to not treat her 2 million ethnic Albanian citizens equally due to her obsolate nationalistic policy. Now - ten years later after the loss of Kosovo - Serbia do everything possible to prevent the peaceful coexistence of K-Albanians and K-Serbs. This policy is trully conterproductive and obsolate.

Obsolete manner?

As I can recall Serbia did not recognize Kosovo so following the principles of the simple logic Kosovo Serbs are consequently asked not to participate the elections of, by Serbia, not recognized state. This should be consequent to anyone using his brain cells.

All the rest is just empty politisation: if Kosovo Serbs are to join that "election" they will legitimate the institutions of the “state” they did not and will not recognize.

Christopher Dell certainly expects and represents the idea of "step by step" recognition: get Kosovo Serbs involved with this "election" and then keep on further legitimizing the institutions of that illegal state.

Simple answer of the Serbian side should be: NO, in all of its alternation.

blah blah blah - obsolete is US politics of creation of pseudoindependent american puppet "states" and changing european borders against international law. This politics is back to a period 50 years ago.

I think it should be up to the individual Kosovo-Serb to vote or not. No-one should tell them what to do.

"One of the posters mentined Ahtisary PLAN.
How soon you forgat that Ahtisai was appointed by UNSC to sit with both sides and in the end he had the ultimate authority to decide for the future of Kosova and Serbia. He did and its a done deal.
(Kosova-USA, 17 October 2009 15:02) "

And how soon you forget that Ahtisaari's proposals (which would have replaced the main provisions of 1244) had to be approved by the UNSC to be valid, and they were not.

That's why to this day Kosovo continues to remain outside the UN. And are fated to do so indefinitely. Don't believe me? Ask Taiwan. It has been waiting for nearly 40 years now.

Funny, the U.S. never condemned opposition boycotts of elections in Serbia or the Albanian boycotts (which incidentally had they voted with even 40% participation wouldn't of meant Slobo in power).

dell:

Take your occupying army and get the hell out of our Holy Land!

the USA is the only superpower in the world.without the OK of them nothing can be done in this world.they controll 99% of the money 99% of army and when it comes to europe the only country in the world that has a innfluence is the USA face it serbs! and if the US is angry they simple send about 1000 jets and bombs a country and no one can stop them remember serbia 1999 , remember irak , 1991,2002,remember afghanistan 2002,remember korea 1950-1953 and much more

What's also "obsolete" is referencing Kosovo as a "functioning" and "multiethnic" state.

Mr. Dell, the A-plan was never endorsed by the security counsel, thus it is void. This demonstrates how "obsolete" America's view in Kosovo is. Serbia never recognized an independent Albanian Kosovo - nor the bigger majority of the world. This same thinking is 10 years old. Whatever happened to pragmatic approaches?

There is a third way which so far "Kosova" has refused to do because it had the underhanded support of the US. Which is to negotiate with Belgrade. When I say negotiate, of course I am talking about REAL negotiations, not the fake ones orchestrated by Ahtisaari and the West which, as expected could not fool the UNSC.
(lowe, 18 October 2009 07:56)
The previous negotiations were real, unfortunately Serbia never stepped up to the plate with any type of viable options.
Accept your role as a subserveant population of Serbia was never an offer that anyone other than Serbs could accept.

Oh come on! Everyone knows that the K-Albanians were promised independence by the US even before negotiations started. You call that real? It was a real farce from Day 1!
(lowe, 19 October 2009 05:09)

And what is it that the Serbs would offer if the Albanians were to go back to the negotiation table? Just curious.

If it was so obsolete you won't be talking about it. The only obsolete idea is the ahsaarti plan whoever you pronounce that ridiculous name.

"He also stated "that such a policy was more for the sake of the government in Belgrade than for the Serbs living in Kosovo".

Since Serbia has not, and will not, recognize Kosovo it has the right to approach Kosovo they way it feels it could and should. Remember mr ambassador that according to international law and resolution 1244 Kosovo is still Serbia. The sooner you realize the better.

'American power is obsolete, hence they're withdrawing their troops & handing the country to Europe which is dependant on RUS for energy & is thus controled by Moscow, which is taking control slowly but surely, avoiding openly humiliating the West as it takes over.
(highduke, 17 October 2009 15:05) '

Not so fast there - the U.S. has discovered ways to extract gas from new types of deposits and is selling the technology to the Europeans, who have large enough reserves to become essentially independent of Russian gas. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6299291/Energy-crisis-is-postponed-as-new-gas-rescues-the-world.html , for example. Russia will probably be able to continue to sell gas to China (they have large shale gas reserves, but not the water needed to exploit them), but the energy levers Russia hoped to use on Europe aren't nearly as powerful as was once supposed.

we both know that UN membership is not a pre-requisit to be/become a country.
(KOSOVARi, 17 October 2009 19:51)
--
So what are the prerequisites for a country? You'd think that controlling ones borders and entire territory along with not having any occupying forces or administrators in place would be a good start.

One day the West will get it right in Kosovo. That is the day they exit. Serbia has had many challenges to its integrity and we will always be victorious.

Yes it is, kosovari. How can you be a nation, if you do not have status as a nation. Only the UN can give you that - not the US. I think you confuse the two.

There should be NO DECENTRALISATION should the Kosova Serbs do not participate in coming elections. For God's sake STOP begging Serbs to participate and STOP blaming Albanians for Serbian "misfortunate".
There should be not a single chance for Serbia to join EU without recognising Kosova's independence first. If the opposite is allowed then Kosova should joint Albanian formally. That would be the end of the Kosova's story.
(EA, 17 October 2009 17:26)
Yeah. No decentralization!!. All KiM should back to Serbia!!

One of the posters mentined Ahtisary PLAN.
How soon you forgat that Ahtisai was appointed by UNSC to sit with both sides and in the end he had the ultimate authority to decide for the future of Kosova and Serbia. He did and its a done deal.
(Kosova-USA, 17 October 2009 15:02)

Do You remember another UN dictate - Annan Plan for Cyprus?? This "Plan" similar to Ahtisaari "Plan" supported only one side, so - other side (Republic of Cyprus and Republic of Serbia) refused this pseudoplans.

It looks that this guy has already been too long down there and sniffed too much white powder!
He even managed to get from under the carpet the medal catcher plan that everybody had already forgotten and thrown in the garbage.

Mr Dell, back in Europe we are sick and tired of the US obsolete destructive
"democracy", where ever you have been, you left a battle field and 10 of thousands of dead innocent people!
You are such a buch of coward that you do not even want to sign any war conventions, so pls, stop spreading your bs and go and clean in front of your stinky door!

"we both know that UN membership is not a pre-requisit to be/become a country.
(KOSOVARi, 17 October 2009 19:51) "

then by all means enjoy being left out of the UN in the cold.

And I put it to you that this show of indifference on your part is not shared by the Pristina government itself. Otherwise what was Hyseni doing at the UN just so recently? Sightseeing? I think not.

Joey, stop spreading your pointless propaganda! Those who prevent normal lives in Kosmet are albanian nationalists and others who support them. Albanians treated Serbs very bad for the past twenty years! So, who has right to ask anyone to live with albanians?

"The previous negotiations were real, unfortunately Serbia never stepped up to the plate with any type of viable options.
Accept your role as a subserveant population of Serbia was never an offer that anyone other than Serbs could accept.
(pss, 18 October 2009 20:09)"

Oh come on! Everyone knows that the K-Albanians were promised independence by the US even before negotiations started. You call that real? It was a real farce from Day 1!

"Wonder what the people of Kosovo would think is better?
1. Not having a voice at the UN but maintaining diplomatic relations and support from the 62 countries that have thus far recognized it.
2. Rejoin Serbia and not have a voice at the UN and only have what diplomatic relations and support that Serbia allows.
I am sure many people would be awake at night trying to decide on that question.
(pss, 17 October 2009 17:59) "

well, obviously the answer would depend on whether you are asking people north or south of the Ibar. I can bet you the answer would be very different.

There is a third way which so far "Kosova" has refused to do because it had the underhanded support of the US. Which is to negotiate with Belgrade. When I say negotiate, of course I am talking about REAL negotiations, not the fake ones orchestrated by Ahtisaari and the West which, as expected could not fool the UNSC.

If look back at what the albos did in the 80's. They setup parallel institutions, which is what serbs should do whenever possible. This is when Serbs around the world need to help support. Give money to Kosovo charities to keep the Serbs there and afloat and for gods sake..SETUP YOUR OWN POLICE and requiring a boycott of KPS & EULEX.

Christopher Dell,

Do you know the law...I mean of the international law flavour that is? If so, what is the Ahtisarri plan in accordance to International Law and in respect to the UN mission? You must be versed in SC 1244? Read it, understand it and follow it, and in the meantime, ask yourself and your superiors whether it is legal by International Law to do your job, or lack thereof.

PSS wrote,

"The previous negotiations were real, unfortunately Serbia never stepped up to the plate with any type of viable options."

And what was a viable option in your opinion? Anything less than independence was not going to be considered so don't come here pretending like you were ever going to negotiate.

You went to those negotiations with an outcome already predetermined.

"And what is it that the Serbs would offer if the Albanians were to go back to the negotiation table? Just curious.
(Zoti, 19 October 2009 15:54) "

How would I know? You should ask the Serbians. My point was that real negotiations wasn never given a chance in the first place.

Just as you asked what the Serbs should concede, I would also pose the question to you as to what the Albanians themselves would have been prepared to offer in return. It cannot be just one side doing the offering only.

And for the record, real negotiations usually result in a genuine compromise where no side gets to lose everything and each side must give ground. That clearly did not happen and the UDI was not an agreement but an imposition by one side that ran counter to 1244.

The only thing that is obsolete is the US of A. A failed superpower now financially held together with the help of its vasal states and China.

Christopher Dell lives in a past time like all current US administrators or party drones. Once the mighty eagle then morphed into hawkes and now chicken hawkes living off scraps and believing their own propaganda.

Well, this American person should check 1244. Then he would learn that Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN.

Serbs and others in Kosovo should not legitimize illegal Kosovo independence.

Instead of blaming Belgrade he should urge all in Kosovo not to take part in these elections.

If the US really respects international law it should unrecognize Kosovo immediatelly.

Again: to all in Kosovo: please do NOT take part in these elections. Thanks in advance from the international law respecting part of the world!