Richard Goldstone’s potentially explosive human rights report for the UN on Israel and the Palestinians has been adopted by the UN’s Human Rights Council.
In Budapest you have the same situation regarding professional dentist's surgeries.
(szemi, 16 October 2009 20:17)
Fine for me, as long as unfair business tactics are not deployed.
For instance, the same situation is world-wide regarding theoretical physics, mathematics and chip design. There is not much conflict because "geeks" and "nerds" just don't care less about money. Some care about "glory" - but not the way politicians do.
In general, "fat cats" being the product of negative selection process applies to Palestinians and Jews as well to the rest of the world. Due the said "Middle Eastern Mentality" the results can be devastating.
As much as "Balkan Mentality" is what we love to hate, so is "Middle Eastern Mentality", too.
Basically, any concession to the opponent is perceived by said opponent as a sign of weakness, not as a sign of friendship.
This mentality ensures that the conflict is a lose-lose conflict for extended period of time and that the losses are always at maximum.
Sample#1:
"It calls for an end to Israeli works and access restrictions around Jerusalem’s sacred sites, and the collective punishment” of Palestinians in Gaza from border closures and the economic blockade."
Indeed, such blockade and collective punishment is evil and it would be just logical to stop that practice immediately.
Unfortunately the result will be just the opposite because the opponent would view such a normal thing as sign of weakness.
Same thing for the opposite. A sample from my own experience.
It is well-known, most photography shops in NY (in particular: Brooklyn) area are exclusively middle-eastern owned. More often than not, the owner belongs to one of few families with extensive ties to Israel. The sellers whom you deal with, however, can be both: Palestinians or Jews. They do the same dirty tricks: false advertisement, bait-and-switch, etc.
I was (un)fortunate to order a camera from such outlet, back in 1997. Somehow the "classic" bait-and-switch wasn't applied, but the camera I got was a "grey market", without US warranty (as advertised).
That trick works most of the time because:
- you can't put the amount in "dispute" status with the credit card company as long as you have the camera
- you can ship the camera back, but will lose expensive shipping/handling fee
- you have to deal with "re-stocking fee" and spend extensive time till you recover it.
In my case I was thinking a bit and realized, that essentially the merchandise arrived, but "incomplete", i.e. missing a vital part (US warranty paperwork).
So instead of claiming (and with 100% probability failing) the dispute with credit card ("it's not the merchandise I ordered because it's grey market, not US market as advertised") I filed the dispute with the credit card as "incomplete shipment" ("it's essentially the same camera what they did advertise, but as 'grey market' product it arrived with US warranty paperwork missing, which is about $200 worth")
In any case I did suggest to the camera shop that they would exchange the camera to the one they did advertise. I had little hope, that this Jewish/Palestinian/whatever outlet would comply, simply it is not in their mentality to "meet in the middle". They stuck to their view, even if they did see that my claim is not the usual "easy case".
Within few weeks they lost the case.... and I landed up with the price of the camera being deducted $200.
Would they just exchange the camera, they would lose less. Why $200? Simply I expected the pain and the loss of the time be extensive (and it was).
Unfortunately, these guys just can't negotiate because of their mentality.
And with Palestinians - same story. And I can't stress out enough, both Jews and Palestinians are well-represented in these photography stores, so dealing with both is a major pain in the neck.
Comparing with that, the usual Albano-Serbian conflict is a major relief to deal with.
As much as "Balkan Mentality" is what we love to hate, so is "Middle Eastern Mentality", too.
Basically, any concession to the opponent is perceived by said opponent as a sign of weakness, not as a sign of friendship.
This mentality ensures that the conflict is a lose-lose conflict for extended period of time and that the losses are always at maximum.
Sample#1:
"It calls for an end to Israeli works and access restrictions around Jerusalem’s sacred sites, and the collective punishment” of Palestinians in Gaza from border closures and the economic blockade."
Indeed, such blockade and collective punishment is evil and it would be just logical to stop that practice immediately.
Unfortunately the result will be just the opposite because the opponent would view such a normal thing as sign of weakness.
Same thing for the opposite. A sample from my own experience.
It is well-known, most photography shops in NY (in particular: Brooklyn) area are exclusively middle-eastern owned. More often than not, the owner belongs to one of few families with extensive ties to Israel. The sellers whom you deal with, however, can be both: Palestinians or Jews. They do the same dirty tricks: false advertisement, bait-and-switch, etc.
I was (un)fortunate to order a camera from such outlet, back in 1997. Somehow the "classic" bait-and-switch wasn't applied, but the camera I got was a "grey market", without US warranty (as advertised).
That trick works most of the time because:
- you can't put the amount in "dispute" status with the credit card company as long as you have the camera
- you can ship the camera back, but will lose expensive shipping/handling fee
- you have to deal with "re-stocking fee" and spend extensive time till you recover it.
In my case I was thinking a bit and realized, that essentially the merchandise arrived, but "incomplete", i.e. missing a vital part (US warranty paperwork).
So instead of claiming (and with 100% probability failing) the dispute with credit card ("it's not the merchandise I ordered because it's grey market, not US market as advertised") I filed the dispute with the credit card as "incomplete shipment" ("it's essentially the same camera what they did advertise, but as 'grey market' product it arrived with US warranty paperwork missing, which is about $200 worth")
In any case I did suggest to the camera shop that they would exchange the camera to the one they did advertise. I had little hope, that this Jewish/Palestinian/whatever outlet would comply, simply it is not in their mentality to "meet in the middle". They stuck to their view, even if they did see that my claim is not the usual "easy case".
Within few weeks they lost the case.... and I landed up with the price of the camera being deducted $200.
Would they just exchange the camera, they would lose less. Why $200? Simply I expected the pain and the loss of the time be extensive (and it was).
Unfortunately, these guys just can't negotiate because of their mentality.
And with Palestinians - same story. And I can't stress out enough, both Jews and Palestinians are well-represented in these photography stores, so dealing with both is a major pain in the neck.
Comparing with that, the usual Albano-Serbian conflict is a major relief to deal with.
In Budapest you have the same situation regarding professional dentist's surgeries.
(szemi, 16 October 2009 20:17)
Fine for me, as long as unfair business tactics are not deployed.
For instance, the same situation is world-wide regarding theoretical physics, mathematics and chip design. There is not much conflict because "geeks" and "nerds" just don't care less about money. Some care about "glory" - but not the way politicians do.
In general, "fat cats" being the product of negative selection process applies to Palestinians and Jews as well to the rest of the world. Due the said "Middle Eastern Mentality" the results can be devastating.
As much as "Balkan Mentality" is what we love to hate, so is "Middle Eastern Mentality", too.
Basically, any concession to the opponent is perceived by said opponent as a sign of weakness, not as a sign of friendship.
This mentality ensures that the conflict is a lose-lose conflict for extended period of time and that the losses are always at maximum.
Sample#1:
"It calls for an end to Israeli works and access restrictions around Jerusalem’s sacred sites, and the collective punishment” of Palestinians in Gaza from border closures and the economic blockade."
Indeed, such blockade and collective punishment is evil and it would be just logical to stop that practice immediately.
Unfortunately the result will be just the opposite because the opponent would view such a normal thing as sign of weakness.
Same thing for the opposite. A sample from my own experience.
It is well-known, most photography shops in NY (in particular: Brooklyn) area are exclusively middle-eastern owned. More often than not, the owner belongs to one of few families with extensive ties to Israel. The sellers whom you deal with, however, can be both: Palestinians or Jews. They do the same dirty tricks: false advertisement, bait-and-switch, etc.
I was (un)fortunate to order a camera from such outlet, back in 1997. Somehow the "classic" bait-and-switch wasn't applied, but the camera I got was a "grey market", without US warranty (as advertised).
That trick works most of the time because:
- you can't put the amount in "dispute" status with the credit card company as long as you have the camera
- you can ship the camera back, but will lose expensive shipping/handling fee
- you have to deal with "re-stocking fee" and spend extensive time till you recover it.
In my case I was thinking a bit and realized, that essentially the merchandise arrived, but "incomplete", i.e. missing a vital part (US warranty paperwork).
So instead of claiming (and with 100% probability failing) the dispute with credit card ("it's not the merchandise I ordered because it's grey market, not US market as advertised") I filed the dispute with the credit card as "incomplete shipment" ("it's essentially the same camera what they did advertise, but as 'grey market' product it arrived with US warranty paperwork missing, which is about $200 worth")
In any case I did suggest to the camera shop that they would exchange the camera to the one they did advertise. I had little hope, that this Jewish/Palestinian/whatever outlet would comply, simply it is not in their mentality to "meet in the middle". They stuck to their view, even if they did see that my claim is not the usual "easy case".
Within few weeks they lost the case.... and I landed up with the price of the camera being deducted $200.
Would they just exchange the camera, they would lose less. Why $200? Simply I expected the pain and the loss of the time be extensive (and it was).
Unfortunately, these guys just can't negotiate because of their mentality.
And with Palestinians - same story. And I can't stress out enough, both Jews and Palestinians are well-represented in these photography stores, so dealing with both is a major pain in the neck.
Comparing with that, the usual Albano-Serbian conflict is a major relief to deal with.
In Budapest you have the same situation regarding professional dentist's surgeries.
(szemi, 16 October 2009 20:17)
Fine for me, as long as unfair business tactics are not deployed.
For instance, the same situation is world-wide regarding theoretical physics, mathematics and chip design. There is not much conflict because "geeks" and "nerds" just don't care less about money. Some care about "glory" - but not the way politicians do.
In general, "fat cats" being the product of negative selection process applies to Palestinians and Jews as well to the rest of the world. Due the said "Middle Eastern Mentality" the results can be devastating.
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