UN calls for "pragmatism"

Yes Zannier lets be pragmatic. Kosovo is a province of Serbia and everyone must work together so that they can live together peacefully in the province even if some people might not like the idea of Kosovo as a province of Serbia. I totally agree.

Unilateral illegal declarations of independance which alienate the local minorities in the province are not very helpful or pragmatic in the development of peace in the province or the region. It encourages delusions of border change and ideas of a Greater Albanian. A very destabilising effect on the Balkans. So hey LET'S ALL BE PRAGMATIC.

I think 'pragmatic' is the new term for 'the reality on the ground' which I have not heard for a while. The struggle goes on. Atleast things have moved on slightly. Now it's not just Belgrade being intransient, according to EU bodies and media, but Prishtina as well.

"That is our democratic duty, because our nation is united around this fundamental issue,” said Jeremic on Kosovo.

However, this is not true. The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) has a more progressive and realistic view and represents a significant part of the intelligensia in Serbia.

My dear Albanian friends, You will pay a high price for your lack on diplomacy. Kosovo is not in a position to face international Organizations with arrogance, like Kosovo President and others did toward UNMIK Chief Lamberto Zannier. Loudmouthed You always declare this and that country will recognize independence because Hyseni or Sejdiu hat important meetings, but nothing happens. Would there bee an other result if Kosovo leaders would ask other countries to NOT recognize independence?

"“We in UNMIK are ready to cooperate with Belgrade and Priština regarding all open issues, but Belgrade and Priština must cooperate with us as well,” [Zannier] stressed."

-- I don't think cooperation from Belgrade will be hard to come by. It's Pristina however that likes to think it's in charge and should be the one calling the shots. But as long as the K Albanian leadership is led by the same corrupt warlords that destabilized the region in the 1990s and early 2000s, the cooperation the international community wants will remain elusive.

"Go to Vojvodina and do all the right things than you never did in Kosovo while you can get there with out a passport. (troika melb) [and Joe]"

-- You obviously have not been to Vojvodina where various ethnic groups live side by side. Back up your claim with evidence or you have no argument. Go there are you'll find the situation is vastly different from the political intolerance witnessed in Kosovo.

trika melb,

Good advise. Yes, the Serbs should do all the right things in Vojvodina they didn't do in Kosovo. Will they do it? It is very questionable. They should start with eguality before justice FOR ALL.

Some of you trying to make a link between Vojvodina and Kosovo. Sorry to tell you that they are two different things. All people in Vojvodina are reasonable and westernized and don't think that killing and distroying others homes and churches is godly thing to do. They will solve their differences peaceful way. Terorizing minority in Kosovo was the way for Albaniens to steel Kosovo and with propaganda blame all on serbs. Your lies are getting little to transparent. Sorry!

"“Serbia will never recognize the unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence. That’s our political, moral and legal obligation. That is our democratic duty, because our nation is united around this fundamental issue,” he said.

"because a choice must be made between unilateralism and consensus."

You soud very unilateral in that speech mr VUK, a great contradiction from the beggining of the speach. You dont even take yourself seriously anymore, let alone in front of anybody with substance.

You still have the same speech as a year ago, nothing changed for you, nothing changed in Serbia.

Actually now that i think about it, you dont run off from Official meetings when you are faced with other foreing ministers, and also are not representing the worlds last international law crusade. hehehe

Ps: mr VUK, stop sponsoring extemist terrorist in norther Kosovo, as you know Serbien lies ahve short legs when it comes to terrorism!

"However, this is not true. The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) has a more progressive and realistic view and represents a significant part of the intelligensia in Serbia."
Sebastian

Of course they do! That's why as many as 1 percent of the population is voting for them.
135 countries can't be wrong! Give back the territory of Kosovo you are trying to steal from the Serbs, let people return to their homeland and then we might talk peace. However, not with the criminals running things in Pristina. The belong in jail.

Kosovo je Srbija!

Anyone that thinks that UNMIK is ruling Kosova, please just read the above statemant from Zanier. Especially, Ron 1244.
(Kosova-USA, 16 October 2009 11:35)

That statement actually says what the situation is: UNMIK is ruling Kosovo province. Belgrade and the provincial instituions have to work with UNMIK.

So Zanier, thanks for stating this again!

Kosovo-USA, if Kosovo was really independent there shouldn't be a UNMIK nor a EULEX! Can't you see that you are fooling yourself?

Is there an EULEX in Slovakia? NO!
Is there an UNMIK in Slovenia? NO!

You see the difference!

Kosovo was and is a Serbian province!

Joe,
You should just no talk about things you don't know anything about.

Serbia is the Balkans. Kosovo is Serbia

“We in UNMIK are ready to cooperate with Belgrade and Priština regarding all open issues, but Belgrade and Priština must cooperate with us as well,” he stressed.


Anyone that thinks that UNMIK is ruling Kosova, please just read the above statemant from Zanier. Especially, Ron 1244.

Kosovo, warts and all, will be part of the EU but never part of Serbia again.

Tadic's government knows this, but says differently to stay in power which is a wise thing to do because they know that in order to get the important things done they must be in power.

Kosovo-USA, if Kosovo was really independent there shouldn't be a UNMIK nor a EULEX! Can't you see that you are fooling yourself?

Is there an EULEX in Slovakia? NO!
Is there an UNMIK in Slovenia? NO!

You see the difference!

Kosovo was and is a Serbian province!
(Ron, 16 October 2009 15:32)
When the UNSC became a gridlock and it was obvious that Kosovo would forever be stuck as an UN protectorate (Russia would never say yes to UN brokered independence and the west would never return Kosovo to Serbian oppression) the west agreed to support Kosovo's Independence if it were supervised. That is why there is EULEX.
The only one fooling themselves is the ones claiming Kosovo is a Serbian province. It is either an independent state or will forever be a UN protectorate with full autonomy and established relations with the countries that will make a difference.
Either way it is far better than the 1990's.

By MikeC:
"135 countries can't be wrong!"


I fail to see where exactly you got this number from. If you are going just by the fact that they havent recognized the independence of Kosovo, then you are gravely mistaken. OUt of these 135 countries, only a few have been vocal against Kosovo's independence and primarily because they have issues with their own minorities. The rest of the countries in that group simply do not have a specified position on this issue, as it does not concern them, and does not fall on their priority list. Another important thing to mention is that, when Kosovo was admitted into IMF and WB, an additional 40 countrys or so that have not yet recognized the independence of Kosovo voted pro-entry of Kosovo into these organizations. Although this does not mean that they recognize the independence of Kosovo, but it does mean that they accept Kosovo's existence and who is to say they wont go ahead and recognize the independence of Kosovo as well.

Ps: mr VUK, stop sponsoring extemist terrorist in norther Kosovo, as you know Serbien lies ahve short legs when it comes to terrorism!
(troika melb, 16 October 2009 13:03)

I have been scrutinizing the web to find out facts that could back up your claim on Jeremic, couldn't find any, found however pages about you criminal Thaci and co...

So better to have short legs than no legs at all :)

Cheers

Johnny,

I wished I wouldn't know anything about Vojvodina. In that case I wouldn't be so sad about the situation there. As a Hungarian-American I am very well informed. I could give you examples to illustrate that for Hungarians there is no egual justice. I tried to give here one example close to ten times within the last few months. Each time I got censured.

I can not the logic of Serbia trying to stop further recognitions of Kosova's independence and on the other side expecting "more Serbs, Romas, Egyptians...and cats, dogs" to return in Kosova. It is just UNREALISTIC! On the other side Jeremic is "teaching" us here and UN that "by preserving Serbia's TERRITORIAL integrity...will try to find a solution acceptable to all sides" What a hell is that? Serbia territorial integrity? He is trying to WIND UP UN))) Defenetely!))

Joe, what freedom means to you, Hungarians? To behave what ever you like? To support separatism?

When the UNSC became a gridlock and it was obvious that Kosovo would forever be stuck as an UN protectorate (Russia would never say yes to UN brokered independence and the west would never return Kosovo to Serbian oppression) the west agreed to support Kosovo's Independence if it were supervised. That is why there is EULEX.
The only one fooling themselves is the ones claiming Kosovo is a Serbian province. It is either an independent state or will forever be a UN protectorate with full autonomy and established relations with the countries that will make a difference.
Either way it is far better than the 1990's.
(pss, 16 October 2009 20:40)

hmmm... Accordin You - "Black Hole" is better than autonomous province of future EU member?? Interesting point of view.

“We in UNMIK are ready to cooperate with Belgrade and Priština regarding all open issues, but Belgrade and Priština must cooperate with us as well,” he stressed.


Anyone that thinks that UNMIK is ruling Kosova, please just read the above statemant from Zanier. Especially, Ron 1244.

"“Serbia will never recognize the unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence. That’s our political, moral and legal obligation. That is our democratic duty, because our nation is united around this fundamental issue,” he said.

"because a choice must be made between unilateralism and consensus."

You soud very unilateral in that speech mr VUK, a great contradiction from the beggining of the speach. You dont even take yourself seriously anymore, let alone in front of anybody with substance.

You still have the same speech as a year ago, nothing changed for you, nothing changed in Serbia.

Actually now that i think about it, you dont run off from Official meetings when you are faced with other foreing ministers, and also are not representing the worlds last international law crusade. hehehe

Ps: mr VUK, stop sponsoring extemist terrorist in norther Kosovo, as you know Serbien lies ahve short legs when it comes to terrorism!

My dear Albanian friends, You will pay a high price for your lack on diplomacy. Kosovo is not in a position to face international Organizations with arrogance, like Kosovo President and others did toward UNMIK Chief Lamberto Zannier. Loudmouthed You always declare this and that country will recognize independence because Hyseni or Sejdiu hat important meetings, but nothing happens. Would there bee an other result if Kosovo leaders would ask other countries to NOT recognize independence?

trika melb,

Good advise. Yes, the Serbs should do all the right things in Vojvodina they didn't do in Kosovo. Will they do it? It is very questionable. They should start with eguality before justice FOR ALL.

Some of you trying to make a link between Vojvodina and Kosovo. Sorry to tell you that they are two different things. All people in Vojvodina are reasonable and westernized and don't think that killing and distroying others homes and churches is godly thing to do. They will solve their differences peaceful way. Terorizing minority in Kosovo was the way for Albaniens to steel Kosovo and with propaganda blame all on serbs. Your lies are getting little to transparent. Sorry!

Anyone that thinks that UNMIK is ruling Kosova, please just read the above statemant from Zanier. Especially, Ron 1244.
(Kosova-USA, 16 October 2009 11:35)

That statement actually says what the situation is: UNMIK is ruling Kosovo province. Belgrade and the provincial instituions have to work with UNMIK.

So Zanier, thanks for stating this again!

Kosovo-USA, if Kosovo was really independent there shouldn't be a UNMIK nor a EULEX! Can't you see that you are fooling yourself?

Is there an EULEX in Slovakia? NO!
Is there an UNMIK in Slovenia? NO!

You see the difference!

Kosovo was and is a Serbian province!

"That is our democratic duty, because our nation is united around this fundamental issue,” said Jeremic on Kosovo.

However, this is not true. The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) has a more progressive and realistic view and represents a significant part of the intelligensia in Serbia.

Joe,
You should just no talk about things you don't know anything about.

Serbia is the Balkans. Kosovo is Serbia

"However, this is not true. The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) has a more progressive and realistic view and represents a significant part of the intelligensia in Serbia."
Sebastian

Of course they do! That's why as many as 1 percent of the population is voting for them.
135 countries can't be wrong! Give back the territory of Kosovo you are trying to steal from the Serbs, let people return to their homeland and then we might talk peace. However, not with the criminals running things in Pristina. The belong in jail.

Kosovo je Srbija!

Yes Zannier lets be pragmatic. Kosovo is a province of Serbia and everyone must work together so that they can live together peacefully in the province even if some people might not like the idea of Kosovo as a province of Serbia. I totally agree.

Unilateral illegal declarations of independance which alienate the local minorities in the province are not very helpful or pragmatic in the development of peace in the province or the region. It encourages delusions of border change and ideas of a Greater Albanian. A very destabilising effect on the Balkans. So hey LET'S ALL BE PRAGMATIC.

I think 'pragmatic' is the new term for 'the reality on the ground' which I have not heard for a while. The struggle goes on. Atleast things have moved on slightly. Now it's not just Belgrade being intransient, according to EU bodies and media, but Prishtina as well.

"“We in UNMIK are ready to cooperate with Belgrade and Priština regarding all open issues, but Belgrade and Priština must cooperate with us as well,” [Zannier] stressed."

-- I don't think cooperation from Belgrade will be hard to come by. It's Pristina however that likes to think it's in charge and should be the one calling the shots. But as long as the K Albanian leadership is led by the same corrupt warlords that destabilized the region in the 1990s and early 2000s, the cooperation the international community wants will remain elusive.

"Go to Vojvodina and do all the right things than you never did in Kosovo while you can get there with out a passport. (troika melb) [and Joe]"

-- You obviously have not been to Vojvodina where various ethnic groups live side by side. Back up your claim with evidence or you have no argument. Go there are you'll find the situation is vastly different from the political intolerance witnessed in Kosovo.

Johnny,

I wished I wouldn't know anything about Vojvodina. In that case I wouldn't be so sad about the situation there. As a Hungarian-American I am very well informed. I could give you examples to illustrate that for Hungarians there is no egual justice. I tried to give here one example close to ten times within the last few months. Each time I got censured.

Joe, what freedom means to you, Hungarians? To behave what ever you like? To support separatism?

Kosovo, warts and all, will be part of the EU but never part of Serbia again.

Tadic's government knows this, but says differently to stay in power which is a wise thing to do because they know that in order to get the important things done they must be in power.

By MikeC:
"135 countries can't be wrong!"


I fail to see where exactly you got this number from. If you are going just by the fact that they havent recognized the independence of Kosovo, then you are gravely mistaken. OUt of these 135 countries, only a few have been vocal against Kosovo's independence and primarily because they have issues with their own minorities. The rest of the countries in that group simply do not have a specified position on this issue, as it does not concern them, and does not fall on their priority list. Another important thing to mention is that, when Kosovo was admitted into IMF and WB, an additional 40 countrys or so that have not yet recognized the independence of Kosovo voted pro-entry of Kosovo into these organizations. Although this does not mean that they recognize the independence of Kosovo, but it does mean that they accept Kosovo's existence and who is to say they wont go ahead and recognize the independence of Kosovo as well.

I can not the logic of Serbia trying to stop further recognitions of Kosova's independence and on the other side expecting "more Serbs, Romas, Egyptians...and cats, dogs" to return in Kosova. It is just UNREALISTIC! On the other side Jeremic is "teaching" us here and UN that "by preserving Serbia's TERRITORIAL integrity...will try to find a solution acceptable to all sides" What a hell is that? Serbia territorial integrity? He is trying to WIND UP UN))) Defenetely!))

Ps: mr VUK, stop sponsoring extemist terrorist in norther Kosovo, as you know Serbien lies ahve short legs when it comes to terrorism!
(troika melb, 16 October 2009 13:03)

I have been scrutinizing the web to find out facts that could back up your claim on Jeremic, couldn't find any, found however pages about you criminal Thaci and co...

So better to have short legs than no legs at all :)

Cheers

Kosovo-USA, if Kosovo was really independent there shouldn't be a UNMIK nor a EULEX! Can't you see that you are fooling yourself?

Is there an EULEX in Slovakia? NO!
Is there an UNMIK in Slovenia? NO!

You see the difference!

Kosovo was and is a Serbian province!
(Ron, 16 October 2009 15:32)
When the UNSC became a gridlock and it was obvious that Kosovo would forever be stuck as an UN protectorate (Russia would never say yes to UN brokered independence and the west would never return Kosovo to Serbian oppression) the west agreed to support Kosovo's Independence if it were supervised. That is why there is EULEX.
The only one fooling themselves is the ones claiming Kosovo is a Serbian province. It is either an independent state or will forever be a UN protectorate with full autonomy and established relations with the countries that will make a difference.
Either way it is far better than the 1990's.

When the UNSC became a gridlock and it was obvious that Kosovo would forever be stuck as an UN protectorate (Russia would never say yes to UN brokered independence and the west would never return Kosovo to Serbian oppression) the west agreed to support Kosovo's Independence if it were supervised. That is why there is EULEX.
The only one fooling themselves is the ones claiming Kosovo is a Serbian province. It is either an independent state or will forever be a UN protectorate with full autonomy and established relations with the countries that will make a difference.
Either way it is far better than the 1990's.
(pss, 16 October 2009 20:40)

hmmm... Accordin You - "Black Hole" is better than autonomous province of future EU member?? Interesting point of view.