DM: PfP sufficient level of cooperation

"Bottom line: There is no immunity for a state in US federal court for " torture [and] extrajudicial killing" "

Really? The way I see it, the US has exempted itself from this very ruling where Guantanamo is concerned as well as those countless 'collateral damage' (aka dead innocent civilians from US air strikes and missiles) that it has inflicted in places like Iraq and Afghanistan! Talk about double standards and the pot calling the kettle black!

Justice,
that's a good one!

I totally understand your post and am able to read between the lines.

So you are stating that soon the USA will be charged for their act of aggression, resulting in the illegal bombing of Yugoslavia.

Hooray for Justice as justice will prevail!

Is that Sejdiu in a wig, next to Sutanovac in the photo? Anyway, have as little as possible with the NATO, that is my humble opinion. This is a dirty American tool, and nothing else. Why would the North Atlantic need to be protected anymore, and from whom?

"You sir, should worry about what Serbia did to the Albanians in Kosovo, nothing else matters as far as the law is concerned. The process is extremely simple and US judges are not known for entertaining empty rhetoric:

a. Did the FRY /Serbia commit "torture" (the definition is very wide and includes the "vacation" that 800,000 K-Albanians took to Albania) and "extra judicial killings" (Batajnica anyone?) in violation of international law?

b. How much is a life or a violation worth according to an American jury that sees raw footage and listens to the horrors that happen.

c. Start collecting. US lawyers even sued to seize Persian art on museums from Iran, let alone real estate, banks accountants and businesses in Us or Western countries.

Actions have consequences.
(Justice, 9 October 2009 17:12) "

And you sir conveniently chose to evade the question that I posed to you about the double standards practised by the US.

In case you have not already noticed, the US influence in the world today has taken a real beating as a result of these very double standards (which makes its judiciary unworthy to be taken seriously by others) and, of course, its ever mounting debts to the rest of the world. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Do remember that the ice cuts both ways -- just as the US courts can pronounce sentences on other countries, so too can the legal systems of other countries on the innumerable US military crimes against the peoples of the world.

Presenting the national security strategy, Šutanovac said that threats came from Kosovo because of ethnically-motivated violence, a high level of organized crime and incomplete democratic institutions.
---
Now imagine how it was the "democratic serbia" ruled it.

That smirk will be wiped off your face very soon:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00001605----000-.html
"in which money damages are sought against a foreign state for personal injury or death that was caused by an act of torture, extrajudicial killing, aircraft sabotage, hostage taking, or the provision of material support or resources (as defined in section 2339A of title 18) for such an act if such act or provision of material support is engaged in by an official, employee, or agent of such foreign state while acting within the scope of his or her office, employment, or agency, except that the court shall decline to hear a claim under this paragraph— "

Bottom line: There is no immunity for a state in US federal court for " torture [and] extrajudicial killing" and I know for a fact that a lawsuit will be filed soon on behalf of the Albanian victims in Kosova against the Former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia successor. Justice in US court is swift with no non-sense judges and federal juries are not known to be nice in those cases. Iran can't put their cash in a US or Western bank for fear of having it seized to satisfy US judgments:
"The plaintiffs are victims of a 1997 bombing on Jerusalem's Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall that killed five people and wounded almost 200. Hamas, which is funded and trained by Iran, claimed responsibility for the attack. In 2003, the victims won a default judgment of $251 million against Iran from a federal judge in Washington, Ricardo Urbina."

Oh, and there is no rush, no statue of limitations at all.

Is there some internal government strife about NATO? Who in the government thinks this is a good idea and why why are they pushing for this? Is it a solely internal matter/fight or have foreign countries, for example, made the intonation that 'joining' NATO would be good for????

There are clearly some aspects missing from the public limelight in this whole story.

Sorry, Justice, but your post holds no water. All the media spin, including footage, can be disproved that the Serbs were driving out of Kosovo. You know that the CIA was in Kosovo/Albania way before 1999 bombings, and doing what? The US State Dept. used the KLA, which they labelled as terrorists, to do their dirty ground work, while they plotted to remove the Serbs from Kosovo. This is cursed land now, Justice, Albanians will never have peace their, I am certain. There is a universal rule of justice, and Albanians broke it, not only in the '90's, but many other times in history. Remember their little escapade with Nazi Germany? Spin your little legal mummbo-jummbo with someone who knows no better, here, you are whistling in the wind.

Like Serbia has an army. what a joke.

"Really? The way I see it, the US has exempted itself from this very ruling where Guantanamo is concerned as well as those countless 'collateral damage' (aka dead innocent civilians from US air strikes and missiles) that it has inflicted in places like Iraq and Afghanistan! Talk about double standards and the pot calling the kettle black!
------

You sir, should worry about what Serbia did to the Albanians in Kosovo, nothing else matters as far as the law is concerned. The process is extremely simple and US judges are not known for entertaining empty rhetoric:

a. Did the FRY /Serbia commit "torture" (the definition is very wide and includes the "vacation" that 800,000 K-Albanians took to Albania) and "extra judicial killings" (Batajnica anyone?) in violation of international law?

b. How much is a life or a violation worth according to an American jury that sees raw footage and listens to the horrors that happen.

c. Start collecting. US lawyers even sued to seize Persian art on museums from Iran, let alone real estate, banks accountants and businesses in Us or Western countries.

Actions have consequences.

"I evaded since it has zero bearing on the case. Zero. Zero. Zero. If US does something bad to someone they can take it with the USA. In this case, the families of Albanian victims will be the plaintiff and Serbia the defendant in a US court, under US law. You remember how Pinochet was sued in Spain, UK etc? It's the same principle. Albanians will also have EU courts available for claims in the decades to come. "

No, you evaded the question because you could not refute it.

As for its relevance, the US justice system is relevant in my opinion because YOU chose to write about it in your post and assumed that they have the power to enforce their court decisions overseas. They don't. The US will still have to go through the legal processes in these countries too and the outcomes are by no means a foregone conclusion as you seem to think.

NATO is very similar to the Mafia.
They offer you protection for a price. If you choose not to pay the price they attack and destroy your business.

So either Serbia joins NATO and pays dearly for it or they will continue to live under the threat of being bombed by NATO again.

A bit of racketeering goin gon here by some powerful countries.

"And you sir conveniently chose to evade the question that I posed to you about the double standards practised by the US."


I evaded since it has zero bearing on the case. Zero. Zero. Zero. If US does something bad to someone they can take it with the USA. In this case, the families of Albanian victims will be the plaintiff and Serbia the defendant in a US court, under US law. You remember how Pinochet was sued in Spain, UK etc? It's the same principle. Albanians will also have EU courts available for claims in the decades to come.

---"Sorry, Justice, but your post holds no water. All the media spin, including footage, can be disproved that the Serbs were driving out of Kosovo."

Funny, how you couldn't prove it it in Hague:

"The Trial Chamber found that these crimes were committed in the execution of a joint criminal enterprise, the purpose of which was to “use violence and terror to force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians from their homes and across the borders, in order for the state authorities to maintain control over Kosovo”."
(Hague ruling)

The burden in a civil case is much, much lower than in a criminal case. I urge the Serbs to work hard and for the Serbian state to save money, you cannot do what you did and not pay for it. Justice demands it.

Presenting the national security strategy, Šutanovac said that threats came from Kosovo because of ethnically-motivated violence, a high level of organized crime and incomplete democratic institutions.
---
Now imagine how it was the "democratic serbia" ruled it.

That smirk will be wiped off your face very soon:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00001605----000-.html
"in which money damages are sought against a foreign state for personal injury or death that was caused by an act of torture, extrajudicial killing, aircraft sabotage, hostage taking, or the provision of material support or resources (as defined in section 2339A of title 18) for such an act if such act or provision of material support is engaged in by an official, employee, or agent of such foreign state while acting within the scope of his or her office, employment, or agency, except that the court shall decline to hear a claim under this paragraph— "

Bottom line: There is no immunity for a state in US federal court for " torture [and] extrajudicial killing" and I know for a fact that a lawsuit will be filed soon on behalf of the Albanian victims in Kosova against the Former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia successor. Justice in US court is swift with no non-sense judges and federal juries are not known to be nice in those cases. Iran can't put their cash in a US or Western bank for fear of having it seized to satisfy US judgments:
"The plaintiffs are victims of a 1997 bombing on Jerusalem's Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall that killed five people and wounded almost 200. Hamas, which is funded and trained by Iran, claimed responsibility for the attack. In 2003, the victims won a default judgment of $251 million against Iran from a federal judge in Washington, Ricardo Urbina."

Oh, and there is no rush, no statue of limitations at all.

Like Serbia has an army. what a joke.

"Really? The way I see it, the US has exempted itself from this very ruling where Guantanamo is concerned as well as those countless 'collateral damage' (aka dead innocent civilians from US air strikes and missiles) that it has inflicted in places like Iraq and Afghanistan! Talk about double standards and the pot calling the kettle black!
------

You sir, should worry about what Serbia did to the Albanians in Kosovo, nothing else matters as far as the law is concerned. The process is extremely simple and US judges are not known for entertaining empty rhetoric:

a. Did the FRY /Serbia commit "torture" (the definition is very wide and includes the "vacation" that 800,000 K-Albanians took to Albania) and "extra judicial killings" (Batajnica anyone?) in violation of international law?

b. How much is a life or a violation worth according to an American jury that sees raw footage and listens to the horrors that happen.

c. Start collecting. US lawyers even sued to seize Persian art on museums from Iran, let alone real estate, banks accountants and businesses in Us or Western countries.

Actions have consequences.

"And you sir conveniently chose to evade the question that I posed to you about the double standards practised by the US."


I evaded since it has zero bearing on the case. Zero. Zero. Zero. If US does something bad to someone they can take it with the USA. In this case, the families of Albanian victims will be the plaintiff and Serbia the defendant in a US court, under US law. You remember how Pinochet was sued in Spain, UK etc? It's the same principle. Albanians will also have EU courts available for claims in the decades to come.

---"Sorry, Justice, but your post holds no water. All the media spin, including footage, can be disproved that the Serbs were driving out of Kosovo."

Funny, how you couldn't prove it it in Hague:

"The Trial Chamber found that these crimes were committed in the execution of a joint criminal enterprise, the purpose of which was to “use violence and terror to force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians from their homes and across the borders, in order for the state authorities to maintain control over Kosovo”."
(Hague ruling)

The burden in a civil case is much, much lower than in a criminal case. I urge the Serbs to work hard and for the Serbian state to save money, you cannot do what you did and not pay for it. Justice demands it.

Justice,
that's a good one!

I totally understand your post and am able to read between the lines.

So you are stating that soon the USA will be charged for their act of aggression, resulting in the illegal bombing of Yugoslavia.

Hooray for Justice as justice will prevail!

"Bottom line: There is no immunity for a state in US federal court for " torture [and] extrajudicial killing" "

Really? The way I see it, the US has exempted itself from this very ruling where Guantanamo is concerned as well as those countless 'collateral damage' (aka dead innocent civilians from US air strikes and missiles) that it has inflicted in places like Iraq and Afghanistan! Talk about double standards and the pot calling the kettle black!

Is that Sejdiu in a wig, next to Sutanovac in the photo? Anyway, have as little as possible with the NATO, that is my humble opinion. This is a dirty American tool, and nothing else. Why would the North Atlantic need to be protected anymore, and from whom?

Sorry, Justice, but your post holds no water. All the media spin, including footage, can be disproved that the Serbs were driving out of Kosovo. You know that the CIA was in Kosovo/Albania way before 1999 bombings, and doing what? The US State Dept. used the KLA, which they labelled as terrorists, to do their dirty ground work, while they plotted to remove the Serbs from Kosovo. This is cursed land now, Justice, Albanians will never have peace their, I am certain. There is a universal rule of justice, and Albanians broke it, not only in the '90's, but many other times in history. Remember their little escapade with Nazi Germany? Spin your little legal mummbo-jummbo with someone who knows no better, here, you are whistling in the wind.

Is there some internal government strife about NATO? Who in the government thinks this is a good idea and why why are they pushing for this? Is it a solely internal matter/fight or have foreign countries, for example, made the intonation that 'joining' NATO would be good for????

There are clearly some aspects missing from the public limelight in this whole story.

"You sir, should worry about what Serbia did to the Albanians in Kosovo, nothing else matters as far as the law is concerned. The process is extremely simple and US judges are not known for entertaining empty rhetoric:

a. Did the FRY /Serbia commit "torture" (the definition is very wide and includes the "vacation" that 800,000 K-Albanians took to Albania) and "extra judicial killings" (Batajnica anyone?) in violation of international law?

b. How much is a life or a violation worth according to an American jury that sees raw footage and listens to the horrors that happen.

c. Start collecting. US lawyers even sued to seize Persian art on museums from Iran, let alone real estate, banks accountants and businesses in Us or Western countries.

Actions have consequences.
(Justice, 9 October 2009 17:12) "

And you sir conveniently chose to evade the question that I posed to you about the double standards practised by the US.

In case you have not already noticed, the US influence in the world today has taken a real beating as a result of these very double standards (which makes its judiciary unworthy to be taken seriously by others) and, of course, its ever mounting debts to the rest of the world. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Do remember that the ice cuts both ways -- just as the US courts can pronounce sentences on other countries, so too can the legal systems of other countries on the innumerable US military crimes against the peoples of the world.

"I evaded since it has zero bearing on the case. Zero. Zero. Zero. If US does something bad to someone they can take it with the USA. In this case, the families of Albanian victims will be the plaintiff and Serbia the defendant in a US court, under US law. You remember how Pinochet was sued in Spain, UK etc? It's the same principle. Albanians will also have EU courts available for claims in the decades to come. "

No, you evaded the question because you could not refute it.

As for its relevance, the US justice system is relevant in my opinion because YOU chose to write about it in your post and assumed that they have the power to enforce their court decisions overseas. They don't. The US will still have to go through the legal processes in these countries too and the outcomes are by no means a foregone conclusion as you seem to think.

NATO is very similar to the Mafia.
They offer you protection for a price. If you choose not to pay the price they attack and destroy your business.

So either Serbia joins NATO and pays dearly for it or they will continue to live under the threat of being bombed by NATO again.

A bit of racketeering goin gon here by some powerful countries.