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Thursday, 08.10.2009.

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Serbia to appoint NATO ambassador

Defense State Secretary Igor Jovičić says that Serbia could appoint an ambassador to NATO by the end of the year.

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elodie

pre 14 godina

"No one can control the Serbs. History is proof of that"

It's not a point to control. Serbs are just too stubborn. If USA start to say that Kosovo should be part of Serbia, probably guys here will change their position to: give that s*** to Albania

schizophrenia - where is Zyprexa?

pre 14 godina

Now compare the above with the latest Sutanovac's statements, ie. State of Serbia's official "National Security Strategy" :

http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=08&nav_category=11&nav_id=385591

where we have:

"... This document analyzes possible threats [to Serbia/ 'citizens of Serbia']
...
The following are analyzed:
- the current situation,
- possible threats,
- and [Serbia's] reactions, i.e., what we are doing to prevent those threats ... "

- Serbia's NO to NATO, PfP is enough.

"... Besides, a threat to the security of the whole region would also be an attempt to change Dayton Agreement on which BiH is based ..."


“Nobody is inviting Serbia to NATO”

-----------------


One can easily see that the following schizophrenia is actually the greatest threat to the security of the 'whole region', in particular to BiH, and
in particular to Bosniacs - repeated targets of Serbia's post-Naceratnije/Garasanin "Greater Serbia - exterminate or convert Bosniacs" genocides in the last 150 years:

- Serbia does NOT want to join NATO,
but
2/3 of as-is at this moment political representations in BiH DO as well as Kosovo, Macedionia, Montenegro [with much more true/real/indigenous Serbs than in BiH] DO want to join NATO,
while
Croatia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey ARE already THERE.

- At the same time, Serbia is allowed to carry untreated schizophrenia [one could ask: where is Zyprexa for the patient?], and it is known that schizophrenia spreads to/seeks partner/ in its immediate surroundings:
that Serbia is 'guarantor of Dayton' and 'guarantor for 1 of 3 BiH ethnic 'entity' ['entity' from Sutanovac's statement] , and both Serbia and as-is at this moment political representations of that 1 ethnic entity in BiH do NOT want to join NATO,
and all of that while
a) that 1 ethnic entity in BiH is judicially ruled [NOT merely 'Advisory Opinion' as Serbia asks for Kosovo!] for committing genocide;
b) Serbia is judicially ruled for non-prevention of Genocide, while its direct responsibility for war aggression and genocide are for the time being kept 'under the lid',
by the same Court of the Nations/States (ICJ) as is the Court from which Serbia is seeking mere "Advisory Opinion" re Kosovo and makes all-out Propaganda about that.

In other words:

'The New Russia-Obama USA Cooperation' could well leave BiH and Serbia to be 'neutral', at least for the foreseeable future,
as 'They' anyway and already have Military-Intelligence infrastructure in BiH for their own interests [nothing to do with the interests or wellbeing of BiH or Serbia]

quasistates

pre 14 godina

Your last post, MikeC, was perfect. I cannot add to it at all. The Albanians have historically backed the wrong side, will their pattern change? I think not - they are followers, clingers, not leaders - they will either rise with the Empire, or die with it. The Empire is dying!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The US has helped Albanian nation several times in history. The latest is Kosova's intervention. We are grateful to this great country and sending few soldiers to support its troops is the least Albanians can do. In the meanwhile you can die for the likes of Milosevic if you think is more worthy. Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?
(miri, 8 October 2009 15:57) "

So finally a Freudian slip on your part -- you equate "Kosova" with the Albanian nation. I thought the USA and West intended "Kosova" to be a so-called MULTI-ETHNIC paradise -- no??????

I don't need to die for Milosevic or anyone else for that matter -- I love my life too much for that. And I am not even from the Balkans.

Since sending Albanian troops to Afghanistan is, to quote yourself, "the least Albanians can do", well, be my guest and go ahead and send as many as you can -- just don't many of them to come back in one piece! You can check with your US masters if you don't believe me. Their own collection of body bags returning from Kabul must be overflowing by now!

sj

pre 14 godina

Watch out Serbia, your Government is selling you out to the murders that now want you in their organisation. Remember when the NATO ambassadors were dancing on TV with joy after 78 days of bombing.

I hope Serbians are not that gullible.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 14 godina

On 8 October 2009 12:08, MikeC asked: "Why can't Serbia be neutral like Sweden and Switzerland? Let someone else go to Irak and Afganistan and die for Ameican politics."

FYI, Sweden has soldiers in Afghanistan (although they are "hiding" up in the northern provinces where the fighting is lighter than down south in Helman province).

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

I cant believe Serbs are going to allow Western Tadic and his goons to join NATO!
This would be the same as spitting on all the civilians that died during the bombing.
When are the next elections? Surely the Serb people won't let this happen?!?!
I don't know what to say, i'm stunned.
I always planned to sell everything and move back to Serbia but i may just go to Republika Srpska, at least they have a proper leader.
Milorade Srbine!!

Liberty

pre 14 godina

"It saddens me to see this government betray its own people by joining NATO. Because that is what will eventually happen if Šutanovac gets his will. (MikeC, 8 October 2009 12:08)"

Mike C

It is too early to say Serbia will join Nato, but it seems clear that Serbia wants to please to the EU & USA (the cener of gravity of our planet) whether you like it or not. I'm not sure nationalists would have more leverage on this issues when part of your budget is funded by EU taxpayers money, as it is the case for many Balkan countries. Wake up and see the reality in face.

Liberty.

The Democratic Jester

pre 14 godina

When Serbia begins serious relations with NATO, it can redeploy the army to Kosovo as NATO trooss.

Now that would be fun.

I wonder how many Kosovo-USA will stay in the US when that happens.

Miroslav

pre 14 godina

Serbia joining NATO is like the United States joining Al-Qaeda, or Israel electing the Nazi party to form their government. Do these Quislings in Belgrade have any shame?

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"NATO, US and EU are in control of Balkans, this is no secret."
Olf

Are you sure? Then why don't they unite Bosnia? Why don't they force the Serbs to recognize Kosovo? Speak for yourself and your albanian peoples. No one can control the Serbs. History is proof of that.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

My point is that if I was bombed for 78 days by a military organization, there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization.
(Kosova-USA, 8 October 2009 19:22)
--
Your country was bombed for 78 days and even your people were targeted. There were many of our ethnic Albanian citizens bombed by NATO. However, you still support NATO so you need to be a little more consistent.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization."
KosovO-USA

Albanians were the enemies of America, the french and the brits during WW2, and even after. Still Albania joined NATO. Serbia should not join NATO because I, and many Serbs with me, don't want young Serbs to die for hypocritical american politics. Even if we were enemies at one point doesn't mean we should stay enemies permanently. If that would be the case Albania would never have joined NATO. However, it's a threat to you Albanians that Serbs are getting closer to the EU etc. For the first time in history you are part of something and you feel important. However, Albania and Albanians are as important to the US and Europe as a pimple on my behind. You need to have something that someone else wants to be important. You need to be successful as a people, and you ain't. Sorry that I had to break the truth to you.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

Serb politicians have no shame at all. I must agree with some poster here in one thing, such as: ' Serbia was bombed illegaly for 78 days as stated by some posters", but I think "Serbia was bombed rightfully for 78 days". My point is that if I was bombed for 78 days by a military organization, there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

would Serbia join NATO if it meant keeping Kosovo?
(JC, 8 October 2009 15:39)
--
Serbia hasn't lost Kosovo so there is no need to join NATO. I think it seems to be more about NATO losing grip so to save face - getting Serbia to join NATO before NATO completely loses Kosovo is a face saving excercise.

NATO already plans to exit so what then? This government is risking civil unrest if it steps over the boundary.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Serbia was told about NATO and recognizing Kosova if they want to even see EU from a distance. Tadic is doing them slowly, but Serbia is a t a huge disadvantage: you are late for EU and Albania is a NATO member.

P.S. Austria, Sweden etc are not nATO members but then they aren't Russian vassals either.
(aRTa, 8 October 2009 11:20)
aRTa - Serbia is much, much more inportant partner for EU than both Albania and pseudoindependent Kosovo. Look at visa lireralisation. Who will travel to EU without visa?? Citizens of Serbia or mayby pseudocitzens of "independent" Kosovo and Albania?? Any EU country expected Serbia recognition of these pseudoindependence. From other side - 5 EU countries don't accepted this "independence" - so Your "Kosova" can see EU from distance only ;)

Ps. Serbia is any vassal, but "independent" Kosovo is in reality EU protectorate with EULEX who ignore pseudogovernment in Priština ;)

Olf

pre 14 godina

I'd say, better joining NATO officially than going on like this all the time.
NATO, US and EU are in control of Balkans, this is no secret.

Nikos

pre 14 godina

miri
Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?

yes Miri, lowe is saying it to us and its good that he says to us and the problem is that he is right. just ask all people in these countries if they like NATO and if they like sending troops to Afganistan to fight US wars. the answer is no! here in greece a lot of people even wanted to go to fight with Serbia against NATO! Serbia made a stand to NATO and it will be always respected for that, while some other "countries" like Albania and FYROM offer to send their people to die without even being asked to do it, so they can please their masters!

Nikos

pre 14 godina

lowe
the Albanians probably already twisting the US to allow them to send troops to Afganistan themselves, they dont need any pressure. If the americans and british (elite soldiers) are having trouble in afganistan the Albanians will be piece of cake for the Taliban. Welcome to the grinder

Aleks

pre 14 godina

Is this Jovičić licking, sorry ticking, all the right boxes to show what a good european he is? This isn't going anywhere unless Tadic & co. are deliberately picking a fight with parliament..

I'm not surprised that the usual suspects are gloating, as per usual they have no (intelligent) comment to offer.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Surprise, surprise. We have a G17 official urging us to join the very organization that illegaly bombed us for 78 days and is trying to steal 15% of sovereign Serbian land (unsuccesfully thanks to Russia). NATO are guilty of gross war crimes in Serbia, and their leaders should be in jail.
Tadic and his yellows are basicaly like a battered wife that gets beaten, abused, raped and insulted by her husband (NATO), but just keeps coming back for more. It's pathetic.

Let's hope for new and better leadership in the next elections and the riddance of these treasonous sycophants.

miri

pre 14 godina

The US is probably already secretly arm twisting Croatia and Albania to send troops to die in places like Afghanistan.
(lowe, 8 October 2009 14:26)

The US has helped Albanian nation several times in history. The latest is Kosova's intervention. We are grateful to this great country and sending few soldiers to support its troops is the least Albanians can do. In the meanwhile you can die for the likes of Milosevic if you think is more worthy. Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?

JC

pre 14 godina

Like I said before regarding the NATO article from last week, this is a remarkable discussion and I understand why Serbia would not want to join after the illegal war in 1999.

But we all know that there is always much more going on behind the political curtains. So I'll thrown the question out there again -- would Serbia join NATO if it meant keeping Kosovo?

lowe

pre 14 godina

“I think that we should support and welcome this, and, as far as a final destination is concerned, I believe that it will be fully-fledged NATO membership,” Senić said."

The US is probably already secretly arm twisting Croatia and Albania to send troops to die in places like Afghanistan. Does Senic really want Serbian soldiers to share this ignominious fate? In so, then he should be the first to sign up for Afghanistan, or send his own sons or brothers ther!

Diana

pre 14 godina

Why would Serbia even consider joining this murderous organisation? They will use your people to fight their illegal wars the same as they used others when they bombed you. Who are your politicians representing? Serbia or the USA?

Nikos

pre 14 godina

MikeC
I understand where you coming from. but i believe Serbia cannot be neutral with such neighbors. if you had all of the world's banks or peaceful neighbors like Finland and Norway you could remain neutral but with Muslims, Croatians and Albanians there is no chance of that unfortunately...the good think about joining NATO is that you wont ever get bombed but on the other hand...i dont know what you will be asked to do in order to join (give up Kosovo maybe?). I am in Dilemma with Nato also. People say Greece has reasons to be in NATO ( see Turkey) but on the other hand we dislike everything about NATO and we cannot forget what they did to Serbia, so there is no easy out....

MikeC

pre 14 godina

It saddens me to see this government betray its own people by joining NATO. Because that is what will eventually happen if Šutanovac gets his will. At least now we know what this government is all about. I urge every Serb to replace these traitors in the next election. Why can't Serbia be neutral like Sweden and Switzerland? Let someone else go to Irak and Afganistan and die for Ameican politics.

aRTa

pre 14 godina

Serbia was told about NATO and recognizing Kosova if they want to even see EU from a distance. Tadic is doing them slowly, but Serbia is a t a huge disadvantage: you are late for EU and Albania is a NATO member.

P.S. Austria, Sweden etc are not nATO members but then they aren't Russian vassals either.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

It saddens me to see this government betray its own people by joining NATO. Because that is what will eventually happen if Šutanovac gets his will. At least now we know what this government is all about. I urge every Serb to replace these traitors in the next election. Why can't Serbia be neutral like Sweden and Switzerland? Let someone else go to Irak and Afganistan and die for Ameican politics.

Diana

pre 14 godina

Why would Serbia even consider joining this murderous organisation? They will use your people to fight their illegal wars the same as they used others when they bombed you. Who are your politicians representing? Serbia or the USA?

Nikos

pre 14 godina

MikeC
I understand where you coming from. but i believe Serbia cannot be neutral with such neighbors. if you had all of the world's banks or peaceful neighbors like Finland and Norway you could remain neutral but with Muslims, Croatians and Albanians there is no chance of that unfortunately...the good think about joining NATO is that you wont ever get bombed but on the other hand...i dont know what you will be asked to do in order to join (give up Kosovo maybe?). I am in Dilemma with Nato also. People say Greece has reasons to be in NATO ( see Turkey) but on the other hand we dislike everything about NATO and we cannot forget what they did to Serbia, so there is no easy out....

lowe

pre 14 godina

“I think that we should support and welcome this, and, as far as a final destination is concerned, I believe that it will be fully-fledged NATO membership,” Senić said."

The US is probably already secretly arm twisting Croatia and Albania to send troops to die in places like Afghanistan. Does Senic really want Serbian soldiers to share this ignominious fate? In so, then he should be the first to sign up for Afghanistan, or send his own sons or brothers ther!

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Surprise, surprise. We have a G17 official urging us to join the very organization that illegaly bombed us for 78 days and is trying to steal 15% of sovereign Serbian land (unsuccesfully thanks to Russia). NATO are guilty of gross war crimes in Serbia, and their leaders should be in jail.
Tadic and his yellows are basicaly like a battered wife that gets beaten, abused, raped and insulted by her husband (NATO), but just keeps coming back for more. It's pathetic.

Let's hope for new and better leadership in the next elections and the riddance of these treasonous sycophants.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

Is this Jovičić licking, sorry ticking, all the right boxes to show what a good european he is? This isn't going anywhere unless Tadic & co. are deliberately picking a fight with parliament..

I'm not surprised that the usual suspects are gloating, as per usual they have no (intelligent) comment to offer.

JC

pre 14 godina

Like I said before regarding the NATO article from last week, this is a remarkable discussion and I understand why Serbia would not want to join after the illegal war in 1999.

But we all know that there is always much more going on behind the political curtains. So I'll thrown the question out there again -- would Serbia join NATO if it meant keeping Kosovo?

aRTa

pre 14 godina

Serbia was told about NATO and recognizing Kosova if they want to even see EU from a distance. Tadic is doing them slowly, but Serbia is a t a huge disadvantage: you are late for EU and Albania is a NATO member.

P.S. Austria, Sweden etc are not nATO members but then they aren't Russian vassals either.

Nikos

pre 14 godina

miri
Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?

yes Miri, lowe is saying it to us and its good that he says to us and the problem is that he is right. just ask all people in these countries if they like NATO and if they like sending troops to Afganistan to fight US wars. the answer is no! here in greece a lot of people even wanted to go to fight with Serbia against NATO! Serbia made a stand to NATO and it will be always respected for that, while some other "countries" like Albania and FYROM offer to send their people to die without even being asked to do it, so they can please their masters!

Nikos

pre 14 godina

lowe
the Albanians probably already twisting the US to allow them to send troops to Afganistan themselves, they dont need any pressure. If the americans and british (elite soldiers) are having trouble in afganistan the Albanians will be piece of cake for the Taliban. Welcome to the grinder

Milan

pre 14 godina

Serbia was told about NATO and recognizing Kosova if they want to even see EU from a distance. Tadic is doing them slowly, but Serbia is a t a huge disadvantage: you are late for EU and Albania is a NATO member.

P.S. Austria, Sweden etc are not nATO members but then they aren't Russian vassals either.
(aRTa, 8 October 2009 11:20)
aRTa - Serbia is much, much more inportant partner for EU than both Albania and pseudoindependent Kosovo. Look at visa lireralisation. Who will travel to EU without visa?? Citizens of Serbia or mayby pseudocitzens of "independent" Kosovo and Albania?? Any EU country expected Serbia recognition of these pseudoindependence. From other side - 5 EU countries don't accepted this "independence" - so Your "Kosova" can see EU from distance only ;)

Ps. Serbia is any vassal, but "independent" Kosovo is in reality EU protectorate with EULEX who ignore pseudogovernment in Priština ;)

Zoran

pre 14 godina

would Serbia join NATO if it meant keeping Kosovo?
(JC, 8 October 2009 15:39)
--
Serbia hasn't lost Kosovo so there is no need to join NATO. I think it seems to be more about NATO losing grip so to save face - getting Serbia to join NATO before NATO completely loses Kosovo is a face saving excercise.

NATO already plans to exit so what then? This government is risking civil unrest if it steps over the boundary.

miri

pre 14 godina

The US is probably already secretly arm twisting Croatia and Albania to send troops to die in places like Afghanistan.
(lowe, 8 October 2009 14:26)

The US has helped Albanian nation several times in history. The latest is Kosova's intervention. We are grateful to this great country and sending few soldiers to support its troops is the least Albanians can do. In the meanwhile you can die for the likes of Milosevic if you think is more worthy. Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"NATO, US and EU are in control of Balkans, this is no secret."
Olf

Are you sure? Then why don't they unite Bosnia? Why don't they force the Serbs to recognize Kosovo? Speak for yourself and your albanian peoples. No one can control the Serbs. History is proof of that.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

My point is that if I was bombed for 78 days by a military organization, there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization.
(Kosova-USA, 8 October 2009 19:22)
--
Your country was bombed for 78 days and even your people were targeted. There were many of our ethnic Albanian citizens bombed by NATO. However, you still support NATO so you need to be a little more consistent.

Miroslav

pre 14 godina

Serbia joining NATO is like the United States joining Al-Qaeda, or Israel electing the Nazi party to form their government. Do these Quislings in Belgrade have any shame?

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization."
KosovO-USA

Albanians were the enemies of America, the french and the brits during WW2, and even after. Still Albania joined NATO. Serbia should not join NATO because I, and many Serbs with me, don't want young Serbs to die for hypocritical american politics. Even if we were enemies at one point doesn't mean we should stay enemies permanently. If that would be the case Albania would never have joined NATO. However, it's a threat to you Albanians that Serbs are getting closer to the EU etc. For the first time in history you are part of something and you feel important. However, Albania and Albanians are as important to the US and Europe as a pimple on my behind. You need to have something that someone else wants to be important. You need to be successful as a people, and you ain't. Sorry that I had to break the truth to you.

sj

pre 14 godina

Watch out Serbia, your Government is selling you out to the murders that now want you in their organisation. Remember when the NATO ambassadors were dancing on TV with joy after 78 days of bombing.

I hope Serbians are not that gullible.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 14 godina

On 8 October 2009 12:08, MikeC asked: "Why can't Serbia be neutral like Sweden and Switzerland? Let someone else go to Irak and Afganistan and die for Ameican politics."

FYI, Sweden has soldiers in Afghanistan (although they are "hiding" up in the northern provinces where the fighting is lighter than down south in Helman province).

quasistates

pre 14 godina

Your last post, MikeC, was perfect. I cannot add to it at all. The Albanians have historically backed the wrong side, will their pattern change? I think not - they are followers, clingers, not leaders - they will either rise with the Empire, or die with it. The Empire is dying!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The US has helped Albanian nation several times in history. The latest is Kosova's intervention. We are grateful to this great country and sending few soldiers to support its troops is the least Albanians can do. In the meanwhile you can die for the likes of Milosevic if you think is more worthy. Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?
(miri, 8 October 2009 15:57) "

So finally a Freudian slip on your part -- you equate "Kosova" with the Albanian nation. I thought the USA and West intended "Kosova" to be a so-called MULTI-ETHNIC paradise -- no??????

I don't need to die for Milosevic or anyone else for that matter -- I love my life too much for that. And I am not even from the Balkans.

Since sending Albanian troops to Afghanistan is, to quote yourself, "the least Albanians can do", well, be my guest and go ahead and send as many as you can -- just don't many of them to come back in one piece! You can check with your US masters if you don't believe me. Their own collection of body bags returning from Kabul must be overflowing by now!

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

I cant believe Serbs are going to allow Western Tadic and his goons to join NATO!
This would be the same as spitting on all the civilians that died during the bombing.
When are the next elections? Surely the Serb people won't let this happen?!?!
I don't know what to say, i'm stunned.
I always planned to sell everything and move back to Serbia but i may just go to Republika Srpska, at least they have a proper leader.
Milorade Srbine!!

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

Serb politicians have no shame at all. I must agree with some poster here in one thing, such as: ' Serbia was bombed illegaly for 78 days as stated by some posters", but I think "Serbia was bombed rightfully for 78 days". My point is that if I was bombed for 78 days by a military organization, there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization.

Olf

pre 14 godina

I'd say, better joining NATO officially than going on like this all the time.
NATO, US and EU are in control of Balkans, this is no secret.

The Democratic Jester

pre 14 godina

When Serbia begins serious relations with NATO, it can redeploy the army to Kosovo as NATO trooss.

Now that would be fun.

I wonder how many Kosovo-USA will stay in the US when that happens.

schizophrenia - where is Zyprexa?

pre 14 godina

Now compare the above with the latest Sutanovac's statements, ie. State of Serbia's official "National Security Strategy" :

http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=08&nav_category=11&nav_id=385591

where we have:

"... This document analyzes possible threats [to Serbia/ 'citizens of Serbia']
...
The following are analyzed:
- the current situation,
- possible threats,
- and [Serbia's] reactions, i.e., what we are doing to prevent those threats ... "

- Serbia's NO to NATO, PfP is enough.

"... Besides, a threat to the security of the whole region would also be an attempt to change Dayton Agreement on which BiH is based ..."


“Nobody is inviting Serbia to NATO”

-----------------


One can easily see that the following schizophrenia is actually the greatest threat to the security of the 'whole region', in particular to BiH, and
in particular to Bosniacs - repeated targets of Serbia's post-Naceratnije/Garasanin "Greater Serbia - exterminate or convert Bosniacs" genocides in the last 150 years:

- Serbia does NOT want to join NATO,
but
2/3 of as-is at this moment political representations in BiH DO as well as Kosovo, Macedionia, Montenegro [with much more true/real/indigenous Serbs than in BiH] DO want to join NATO,
while
Croatia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey ARE already THERE.

- At the same time, Serbia is allowed to carry untreated schizophrenia [one could ask: where is Zyprexa for the patient?], and it is known that schizophrenia spreads to/seeks partner/ in its immediate surroundings:
that Serbia is 'guarantor of Dayton' and 'guarantor for 1 of 3 BiH ethnic 'entity' ['entity' from Sutanovac's statement] , and both Serbia and as-is at this moment political representations of that 1 ethnic entity in BiH do NOT want to join NATO,
and all of that while
a) that 1 ethnic entity in BiH is judicially ruled [NOT merely 'Advisory Opinion' as Serbia asks for Kosovo!] for committing genocide;
b) Serbia is judicially ruled for non-prevention of Genocide, while its direct responsibility for war aggression and genocide are for the time being kept 'under the lid',
by the same Court of the Nations/States (ICJ) as is the Court from which Serbia is seeking mere "Advisory Opinion" re Kosovo and makes all-out Propaganda about that.

In other words:

'The New Russia-Obama USA Cooperation' could well leave BiH and Serbia to be 'neutral', at least for the foreseeable future,
as 'They' anyway and already have Military-Intelligence infrastructure in BiH for their own interests [nothing to do with the interests or wellbeing of BiH or Serbia]

elodie

pre 14 godina

"No one can control the Serbs. History is proof of that"

It's not a point to control. Serbs are just too stubborn. If USA start to say that Kosovo should be part of Serbia, probably guys here will change their position to: give that s*** to Albania

Liberty

pre 14 godina

"It saddens me to see this government betray its own people by joining NATO. Because that is what will eventually happen if Šutanovac gets his will. (MikeC, 8 October 2009 12:08)"

Mike C

It is too early to say Serbia will join Nato, but it seems clear that Serbia wants to please to the EU & USA (the cener of gravity of our planet) whether you like it or not. I'm not sure nationalists would have more leverage on this issues when part of your budget is funded by EU taxpayers money, as it is the case for many Balkan countries. Wake up and see the reality in face.

Liberty.

aRTa

pre 14 godina

Serbia was told about NATO and recognizing Kosova if they want to even see EU from a distance. Tadic is doing them slowly, but Serbia is a t a huge disadvantage: you are late for EU and Albania is a NATO member.

P.S. Austria, Sweden etc are not nATO members but then they aren't Russian vassals either.

miri

pre 14 godina

The US is probably already secretly arm twisting Croatia and Albania to send troops to die in places like Afghanistan.
(lowe, 8 October 2009 14:26)

The US has helped Albanian nation several times in history. The latest is Kosova's intervention. We are grateful to this great country and sending few soldiers to support its troops is the least Albanians can do. In the meanwhile you can die for the likes of Milosevic if you think is more worthy. Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

Serb politicians have no shame at all. I must agree with some poster here in one thing, such as: ' Serbia was bombed illegaly for 78 days as stated by some posters", but I think "Serbia was bombed rightfully for 78 days". My point is that if I was bombed for 78 days by a military organization, there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization.

Nikos

pre 14 godina

MikeC
I understand where you coming from. but i believe Serbia cannot be neutral with such neighbors. if you had all of the world's banks or peaceful neighbors like Finland and Norway you could remain neutral but with Muslims, Croatians and Albanians there is no chance of that unfortunately...the good think about joining NATO is that you wont ever get bombed but on the other hand...i dont know what you will be asked to do in order to join (give up Kosovo maybe?). I am in Dilemma with Nato also. People say Greece has reasons to be in NATO ( see Turkey) but on the other hand we dislike everything about NATO and we cannot forget what they did to Serbia, so there is no easy out....

Olf

pre 14 godina

I'd say, better joining NATO officially than going on like this all the time.
NATO, US and EU are in control of Balkans, this is no secret.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

It saddens me to see this government betray its own people by joining NATO. Because that is what will eventually happen if Šutanovac gets his will. At least now we know what this government is all about. I urge every Serb to replace these traitors in the next election. Why can't Serbia be neutral like Sweden and Switzerland? Let someone else go to Irak and Afganistan and die for Ameican politics.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“I think that we should support and welcome this, and, as far as a final destination is concerned, I believe that it will be fully-fledged NATO membership,” Senić said."

The US is probably already secretly arm twisting Croatia and Albania to send troops to die in places like Afghanistan. Does Senic really want Serbian soldiers to share this ignominious fate? In so, then he should be the first to sign up for Afghanistan, or send his own sons or brothers ther!

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Surprise, surprise. We have a G17 official urging us to join the very organization that illegaly bombed us for 78 days and is trying to steal 15% of sovereign Serbian land (unsuccesfully thanks to Russia). NATO are guilty of gross war crimes in Serbia, and their leaders should be in jail.
Tadic and his yellows are basicaly like a battered wife that gets beaten, abused, raped and insulted by her husband (NATO), but just keeps coming back for more. It's pathetic.

Let's hope for new and better leadership in the next elections and the riddance of these treasonous sycophants.

Diana

pre 14 godina

Why would Serbia even consider joining this murderous organisation? They will use your people to fight their illegal wars the same as they used others when they bombed you. Who are your politicians representing? Serbia or the USA?

Milan

pre 14 godina

Serbia was told about NATO and recognizing Kosova if they want to even see EU from a distance. Tadic is doing them slowly, but Serbia is a t a huge disadvantage: you are late for EU and Albania is a NATO member.

P.S. Austria, Sweden etc are not nATO members but then they aren't Russian vassals either.
(aRTa, 8 October 2009 11:20)
aRTa - Serbia is much, much more inportant partner for EU than both Albania and pseudoindependent Kosovo. Look at visa lireralisation. Who will travel to EU without visa?? Citizens of Serbia or mayby pseudocitzens of "independent" Kosovo and Albania?? Any EU country expected Serbia recognition of these pseudoindependence. From other side - 5 EU countries don't accepted this "independence" - so Your "Kosova" can see EU from distance only ;)

Ps. Serbia is any vassal, but "independent" Kosovo is in reality EU protectorate with EULEX who ignore pseudogovernment in Priština ;)

Nikos

pre 14 godina

lowe
the Albanians probably already twisting the US to allow them to send troops to Afganistan themselves, they dont need any pressure. If the americans and british (elite soldiers) are having trouble in afganistan the Albanians will be piece of cake for the Taliban. Welcome to the grinder

elodie

pre 14 godina

"No one can control the Serbs. History is proof of that"

It's not a point to control. Serbs are just too stubborn. If USA start to say that Kosovo should be part of Serbia, probably guys here will change their position to: give that s*** to Albania

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"NATO, US and EU are in control of Balkans, this is no secret."
Olf

Are you sure? Then why don't they unite Bosnia? Why don't they force the Serbs to recognize Kosovo? Speak for yourself and your albanian peoples. No one can control the Serbs. History is proof of that.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization."
KosovO-USA

Albanians were the enemies of America, the french and the brits during WW2, and even after. Still Albania joined NATO. Serbia should not join NATO because I, and many Serbs with me, don't want young Serbs to die for hypocritical american politics. Even if we were enemies at one point doesn't mean we should stay enemies permanently. If that would be the case Albania would never have joined NATO. However, it's a threat to you Albanians that Serbs are getting closer to the EU etc. For the first time in history you are part of something and you feel important. However, Albania and Albanians are as important to the US and Europe as a pimple on my behind. You need to have something that someone else wants to be important. You need to be successful as a people, and you ain't. Sorry that I had to break the truth to you.

Miroslav

pre 14 godina

Serbia joining NATO is like the United States joining Al-Qaeda, or Israel electing the Nazi party to form their government. Do these Quislings in Belgrade have any shame?

JC

pre 14 godina

Like I said before regarding the NATO article from last week, this is a remarkable discussion and I understand why Serbia would not want to join after the illegal war in 1999.

But we all know that there is always much more going on behind the political curtains. So I'll thrown the question out there again -- would Serbia join NATO if it meant keeping Kosovo?

Aleks

pre 14 godina

Is this Jovičić licking, sorry ticking, all the right boxes to show what a good european he is? This isn't going anywhere unless Tadic & co. are deliberately picking a fight with parliament..

I'm not surprised that the usual suspects are gloating, as per usual they have no (intelligent) comment to offer.

Nikos

pre 14 godina

miri
Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?

yes Miri, lowe is saying it to us and its good that he says to us and the problem is that he is right. just ask all people in these countries if they like NATO and if they like sending troops to Afganistan to fight US wars. the answer is no! here in greece a lot of people even wanted to go to fight with Serbia against NATO! Serbia made a stand to NATO and it will be always respected for that, while some other "countries" like Albania and FYROM offer to send their people to die without even being asked to do it, so they can please their masters!

Zoran

pre 14 godina

would Serbia join NATO if it meant keeping Kosovo?
(JC, 8 October 2009 15:39)
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Serbia hasn't lost Kosovo so there is no need to join NATO. I think it seems to be more about NATO losing grip so to save face - getting Serbia to join NATO before NATO completely loses Kosovo is a face saving excercise.

NATO already plans to exit so what then? This government is risking civil unrest if it steps over the boundary.

Liberty

pre 14 godina

"It saddens me to see this government betray its own people by joining NATO. Because that is what will eventually happen if Šutanovac gets his will. (MikeC, 8 October 2009 12:08)"

Mike C

It is too early to say Serbia will join Nato, but it seems clear that Serbia wants to please to the EU & USA (the cener of gravity of our planet) whether you like it or not. I'm not sure nationalists would have more leverage on this issues when part of your budget is funded by EU taxpayers money, as it is the case for many Balkan countries. Wake up and see the reality in face.

Liberty.

sj

pre 14 godina

Watch out Serbia, your Government is selling you out to the murders that now want you in their organisation. Remember when the NATO ambassadors were dancing on TV with joy after 78 days of bombing.

I hope Serbians are not that gullible.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The US has helped Albanian nation several times in history. The latest is Kosova's intervention. We are grateful to this great country and sending few soldiers to support its troops is the least Albanians can do. In the meanwhile you can die for the likes of Milosevic if you think is more worthy. Nevertheless, are you saying the same thing to Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain or Cyprus, your "brothers in arms" regarding NATO, while all of these are NATO members?
(miri, 8 October 2009 15:57) "

So finally a Freudian slip on your part -- you equate "Kosova" with the Albanian nation. I thought the USA and West intended "Kosova" to be a so-called MULTI-ETHNIC paradise -- no??????

I don't need to die for Milosevic or anyone else for that matter -- I love my life too much for that. And I am not even from the Balkans.

Since sending Albanian troops to Afghanistan is, to quote yourself, "the least Albanians can do", well, be my guest and go ahead and send as many as you can -- just don't many of them to come back in one piece! You can check with your US masters if you don't believe me. Their own collection of body bags returning from Kabul must be overflowing by now!

Zoran

pre 14 godina

My point is that if I was bombed for 78 days by a military organization, there will not be a chance in hell that I will join the said organization.
(Kosova-USA, 8 October 2009 19:22)
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Your country was bombed for 78 days and even your people were targeted. There were many of our ethnic Albanian citizens bombed by NATO. However, you still support NATO so you need to be a little more consistent.

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

I cant believe Serbs are going to allow Western Tadic and his goons to join NATO!
This would be the same as spitting on all the civilians that died during the bombing.
When are the next elections? Surely the Serb people won't let this happen?!?!
I don't know what to say, i'm stunned.
I always planned to sell everything and move back to Serbia but i may just go to Republika Srpska, at least they have a proper leader.
Milorade Srbine!!

quasistates

pre 14 godina

Your last post, MikeC, was perfect. I cannot add to it at all. The Albanians have historically backed the wrong side, will their pattern change? I think not - they are followers, clingers, not leaders - they will either rise with the Empire, or die with it. The Empire is dying!

schizophrenia - where is Zyprexa?

pre 14 godina

Now compare the above with the latest Sutanovac's statements, ie. State of Serbia's official "National Security Strategy" :

http://b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=08&nav_category=11&nav_id=385591

where we have:

"... This document analyzes possible threats [to Serbia/ 'citizens of Serbia']
...
The following are analyzed:
- the current situation,
- possible threats,
- and [Serbia's] reactions, i.e., what we are doing to prevent those threats ... "

- Serbia's NO to NATO, PfP is enough.

"... Besides, a threat to the security of the whole region would also be an attempt to change Dayton Agreement on which BiH is based ..."


“Nobody is inviting Serbia to NATO”

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One can easily see that the following schizophrenia is actually the greatest threat to the security of the 'whole region', in particular to BiH, and
in particular to Bosniacs - repeated targets of Serbia's post-Naceratnije/Garasanin "Greater Serbia - exterminate or convert Bosniacs" genocides in the last 150 years:

- Serbia does NOT want to join NATO,
but
2/3 of as-is at this moment political representations in BiH DO as well as Kosovo, Macedionia, Montenegro [with much more true/real/indigenous Serbs than in BiH] DO want to join NATO,
while
Croatia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey ARE already THERE.

- At the same time, Serbia is allowed to carry untreated schizophrenia [one could ask: where is Zyprexa for the patient?], and it is known that schizophrenia spreads to/seeks partner/ in its immediate surroundings:
that Serbia is 'guarantor of Dayton' and 'guarantor for 1 of 3 BiH ethnic 'entity' ['entity' from Sutanovac's statement] , and both Serbia and as-is at this moment political representations of that 1 ethnic entity in BiH do NOT want to join NATO,
and all of that while
a) that 1 ethnic entity in BiH is judicially ruled [NOT merely 'Advisory Opinion' as Serbia asks for Kosovo!] for committing genocide;
b) Serbia is judicially ruled for non-prevention of Genocide, while its direct responsibility for war aggression and genocide are for the time being kept 'under the lid',
by the same Court of the Nations/States (ICJ) as is the Court from which Serbia is seeking mere "Advisory Opinion" re Kosovo and makes all-out Propaganda about that.

In other words:

'The New Russia-Obama USA Cooperation' could well leave BiH and Serbia to be 'neutral', at least for the foreseeable future,
as 'They' anyway and already have Military-Intelligence infrastructure in BiH for their own interests [nothing to do with the interests or wellbeing of BiH or Serbia]

The Democratic Jester

pre 14 godina

When Serbia begins serious relations with NATO, it can redeploy the army to Kosovo as NATO trooss.

Now that would be fun.

I wonder how many Kosovo-USA will stay in the US when that happens.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 14 godina

On 8 October 2009 12:08, MikeC asked: "Why can't Serbia be neutral like Sweden and Switzerland? Let someone else go to Irak and Afganistan and die for Ameican politics."

FYI, Sweden has soldiers in Afghanistan (although they are "hiding" up in the northern provinces where the fighting is lighter than down south in Helman province).