Coalition partners Nikola Gruevski and Ali Ahmeti say the dispute over a controversial encyclopedia entry must not damage inter-ethnic relations in Macedonia.
So keep your book our brothers and spread the truth whenever you can because we have to destroy together this Albanian nationalistic and chauvinistic monster!
(TITO, 30 September 2009 17:19)
Indeed, everything is wrong in that. But as I said many time, this insanity seem to pale with serious studies which not just prove that the stupas of Mandalay were built after Hungarian prototypes and Angkor Wat, too. No matter how foolish somewhat is - there is always somewhat more foolish.
In that spirit, I of course object that entire Aleksandar Makedonski thing. His true name was Nagy Sándor, of course. There is enough material on the net proving, Troy was Hungarian, not just Angkor Wat or India or what-not.
Apparently "Aleksandar Makedonski" versus "Nagy Sándor" is more important than solve the lesser problems with wages, corruption, jobs, education.
Page 67 of the encyclopedia alleges that Greeks arrived from Africa and they stole Fyromian civilization and history.
Leonidas, 30 September 2009 23:03
Well it really shows that stupidity has no limits.Maybe in the next edition these idiots will try to prove african roots of greeks setting basketball players Sofoklis Schortsanitis as a proof to their theory.However I must say that albanians are no better when it comes to history falsification.Two all time losers without historical roots .It is so tragicomic when albanians try to prove that all important figures in greek history or famous sportsmen have albanian roots.
To Leonidas,
I was only reffering to Albanian problem and totally agree with your opinion in regards to a pseudo antik origins of modern Macedonians.
I am of an opinion that this debate could be easily solved with a single swab of a mouth DNA. Only then all this so called righteous ethnic fascist will have to shut up forever!
Dear Dibrani,
If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with facts. What is it exactly in that book which is not true and is offending you? Lets hear your arguments and stop with warmongering.
(TITO, 30 September 2009 20:04)
Tito
Why don't you tell us which part of the encyclopedia is true.
Is it the part in which Fyrom claims that ancient macedonia continued as one entity until the balkan wars and was divided amongst Greece,Serbia and Bulgaria.
Ottoman maps show only the vilayets of Salonik,Monastir and kosovo.Furthermore the last Ottoman census identified only three ethnicities those of Bulgarian,Greek and Muslims-Turkish.
Is it their claim of descendants of ancient macedonians when every historian in the civilised world knows that the Bularian speaking population of Fyrom have no esrtablished
cultural,religious or any other connection with the ancient macedonians.The only connection they have is they live in a small geographical corner of what used to be ancient macedonia.It is an established fact that Fyromians arrived in the Balkans 1000 years after antiquity.
Page 67 of the encyclopedia alleges that Greeks arrived from Africa and they stole Fyromian civilization and history.
I don't want to answer those claims because it is obvious to anybody that we're dealing with insane people and the leader of these people is former commie Gruevski whose goverment has gone into great lengths to finance the work of Fyromian historical revisionists on the encyclopedia.
It suffices to say that Fyromian revisionists always avoid mentioning Byzantium-the Greek empire-because its existence indicates continuity between the ancient Greek macedonians,Byzantium and modern Greece.
TITO - Honestly the accusations are so preposterous that I don't feel the need to defend myself. I think the authors of this piece of fiction need to justify why they are once again making FYROM the laughing stock of the region. The American, English Albanian embassies in Skopje have declared the book highly erroneous and politicized, but I think the Bulgarians said it best "it is unacceptable for a country aspirant for NATO and EU membership to resort to terminology typical for the ideology of the Cold War era."
So I am going to just sit back and watch this thing get pulled on the self, re-worded, admonished, and watch the apologies roll in. Due to the lack of evidence presented by the prosecution, the defense rests.
Dear Dibrani,
If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with facts. What is it exactly in that book which is not true and is offending you? Lets hear your arguments and stop with warmongering.
Macedonians were only being truthful about the 2001 summer war. U.S. soldiers did help evacuate the ethnic Albanian militants (in air conditioned buses and allowed them to take their weapons) after the Macedonian soldiers had them surrounded.
And NATO/U.S. did treat the ethnic Albanian wounded militants in Kosovo.
It was obvious that the U.S. stationed in Kosovo and Macedonia did help the militants. Also, when the Albanians started their attacks and were gaining ground before the Macedonians organized, there was no pressure put on the Albanians to stop. Only when the Macedonians started to get the upper hand did the international community threaten Macedonia and demand a halt in the fighting.
The west does sponsor certain ethnic groups and their separatists over others.
Iam not surprised at all by this piece of sinister propaganda called encyclopedia(its a greek word and fyromians don't know its meaning) writen by Fyromian historyrevisionists
that have been trying to steal names,identity,culture and history because they sit on a piece of land that was ancientGreek macedonian.This is their only link.
Yet in this retarded encyclopedia they continue their falsification by claiming that the Greeks arrived on their lands from Africa ,they stole the Fyromian culture ( they claim Homer was Fyromian and
Parthenon was built by them)and the world history on ancient Greece was just a fake.All these claims are despite the assurances they gave to UN prior to the interim agreement with regard to ancient macedonian heritage.
These history,culture and identity thiefs have got the nerve to ask the Greeks to allow them to join the clubs they are established members for years.
Fyromians read my lips. Not now,not in 10 years not ever as long as former communist youth leader and recent graduate from Langley UScntinues with his propaganda.
"The level of Albanian insolence is simply astounding. Macedonians should just brush them off and continue with their daily business"
I agree with this statement and I think Macedonians should stick to their psuedo-scientific, sci-fi thriller and not give in an inch. Then we can all have a grand old time betting how long FYROM will survive.
The level of Albanian insolence is simply astounding. Macedonians should just brush them off and continue with their daily business.
What is so insulting to them? The truth about their migration in Balkans? Well that hurts because it doesnt support their false claim as first inhabitants and therefore the rightfull owners.
The acronim Squipnia or Squip from which comes Siptar? Why? Its even written on their coins on Albanian Lek currency. What else? The fact that they were supported, helped and trained by USA and British forces (covertly of course)? The whole Balkans knows this simple truts yet only Albanians seem to believe otherwise....
So keep your book our brothers and spread the truth whenever you can because we have to destroy together this Albanian nationalistic and chauvinistic monster!
While (MANU) have their highlighters and white out in hand they should change the name of this fictitous, political story they call an encyclopedia to Once Upon a Time in Vardarska.
Well, they _were_ trained by U.S. and British instructors. That was proved within the Milosevic trial. What is so controversial about that? At least the UCK were trained by them. And the Macedonian counterpart really was made up of the same core as UCK.
The level of Albanian insolence is simply astounding. Macedonians should just brush them off and continue with their daily business.
What is so insulting to them? The truth about their migration in Balkans? Well that hurts because it doesnt support their false claim as first inhabitants and therefore the rightfull owners.
The acronim Squipnia or Squip from which comes Siptar? Why? Its even written on their coins on Albanian Lek currency. What else? The fact that they were supported, helped and trained by USA and British forces (covertly of course)? The whole Balkans knows this simple truts yet only Albanians seem to believe otherwise....
So keep your book our brothers and spread the truth whenever you can because we have to destroy together this Albanian nationalistic and chauvinistic monster!
Iam not surprised at all by this piece of sinister propaganda called encyclopedia(its a greek word and fyromians don't know its meaning) writen by Fyromian historyrevisionists
that have been trying to steal names,identity,culture and history because they sit on a piece of land that was ancientGreek macedonian.This is their only link.
Yet in this retarded encyclopedia they continue their falsification by claiming that the Greeks arrived on their lands from Africa ,they stole the Fyromian culture ( they claim Homer was Fyromian and
Parthenon was built by them)and the world history on ancient Greece was just a fake.All these claims are despite the assurances they gave to UN prior to the interim agreement with regard to ancient macedonian heritage.
These history,culture and identity thiefs have got the nerve to ask the Greeks to allow them to join the clubs they are established members for years.
Fyromians read my lips. Not now,not in 10 years not ever as long as former communist youth leader and recent graduate from Langley UScntinues with his propaganda.
Macedonians were only being truthful about the 2001 summer war. U.S. soldiers did help evacuate the ethnic Albanian militants (in air conditioned buses and allowed them to take their weapons) after the Macedonian soldiers had them surrounded.
And NATO/U.S. did treat the ethnic Albanian wounded militants in Kosovo.
It was obvious that the U.S. stationed in Kosovo and Macedonia did help the militants. Also, when the Albanians started their attacks and were gaining ground before the Macedonians organized, there was no pressure put on the Albanians to stop. Only when the Macedonians started to get the upper hand did the international community threaten Macedonia and demand a halt in the fighting.
The west does sponsor certain ethnic groups and their separatists over others.
Dear Dibrani,
If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with facts. What is it exactly in that book which is not true and is offending you? Lets hear your arguments and stop with warmongering.
(TITO, 30 September 2009 20:04)
Tito
Why don't you tell us which part of the encyclopedia is true.
Is it the part in which Fyrom claims that ancient macedonia continued as one entity until the balkan wars and was divided amongst Greece,Serbia and Bulgaria.
Ottoman maps show only the vilayets of Salonik,Monastir and kosovo.Furthermore the last Ottoman census identified only three ethnicities those of Bulgarian,Greek and Muslims-Turkish.
Is it their claim of descendants of ancient macedonians when every historian in the civilised world knows that the Bularian speaking population of Fyrom have no esrtablished
cultural,religious or any other connection with the ancient macedonians.The only connection they have is they live in a small geographical corner of what used to be ancient macedonia.It is an established fact that Fyromians arrived in the Balkans 1000 years after antiquity.
Page 67 of the encyclopedia alleges that Greeks arrived from Africa and they stole Fyromian civilization and history.
I don't want to answer those claims because it is obvious to anybody that we're dealing with insane people and the leader of these people is former commie Gruevski whose goverment has gone into great lengths to finance the work of Fyromian historical revisionists on the encyclopedia.
It suffices to say that Fyromian revisionists always avoid mentioning Byzantium-the Greek empire-because its existence indicates continuity between the ancient Greek macedonians,Byzantium and modern Greece.
Well, they _were_ trained by U.S. and British instructors. That was proved within the Milosevic trial. What is so controversial about that? At least the UCK were trained by them. And the Macedonian counterpart really was made up of the same core as UCK.
TITO - Honestly the accusations are so preposterous that I don't feel the need to defend myself. I think the authors of this piece of fiction need to justify why they are once again making FYROM the laughing stock of the region. The American, English Albanian embassies in Skopje have declared the book highly erroneous and politicized, but I think the Bulgarians said it best "it is unacceptable for a country aspirant for NATO and EU membership to resort to terminology typical for the ideology of the Cold War era."
So I am going to just sit back and watch this thing get pulled on the self, re-worded, admonished, and watch the apologies roll in. Due to the lack of evidence presented by the prosecution, the defense rests.
"The level of Albanian insolence is simply astounding. Macedonians should just brush them off and continue with their daily business"
I agree with this statement and I think Macedonians should stick to their psuedo-scientific, sci-fi thriller and not give in an inch. Then we can all have a grand old time betting how long FYROM will survive.
Dear Dibrani,
If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with facts. What is it exactly in that book which is not true and is offending you? Lets hear your arguments and stop with warmongering.
While (MANU) have their highlighters and white out in hand they should change the name of this fictitous, political story they call an encyclopedia to Once Upon a Time in Vardarska.
Page 67 of the encyclopedia alleges that Greeks arrived from Africa and they stole Fyromian civilization and history.
Leonidas, 30 September 2009 23:03
Well it really shows that stupidity has no limits.Maybe in the next edition these idiots will try to prove african roots of greeks setting basketball players Sofoklis Schortsanitis as a proof to their theory.However I must say that albanians are no better when it comes to history falsification.Two all time losers without historical roots .It is so tragicomic when albanians try to prove that all important figures in greek history or famous sportsmen have albanian roots.
To Leonidas,
I was only reffering to Albanian problem and totally agree with your opinion in regards to a pseudo antik origins of modern Macedonians.
I am of an opinion that this debate could be easily solved with a single swab of a mouth DNA. Only then all this so called righteous ethnic fascist will have to shut up forever!
Indeed, everything is wrong in that. But as I said many time, this insanity seem to pale with serious studies which not just prove that the stupas of Mandalay were built after Hungarian prototypes and Angkor Wat, too. No matter how foolish somewhat is - there is always somewhat more foolish.
In that spirit, I of course object that entire Aleksandar Makedonski thing. His true name was Nagy Sándor, of course. There is enough material on the net proving, Troy was Hungarian, not just Angkor Wat or India or what-not.
Apparently "Aleksandar Makedonski" versus "Nagy Sándor" is more important than solve the lesser problems with wages, corruption, jobs, education.
So keep your book our brothers and spread the truth whenever you can because we have to destroy together this Albanian nationalistic and chauvinistic monster!
(TITO, 30 September 2009 17:19)
The level of Albanian insolence is simply astounding. Macedonians should just brush them off and continue with their daily business.
What is so insulting to them? The truth about their migration in Balkans? Well that hurts because it doesnt support their false claim as first inhabitants and therefore the rightfull owners.
The acronim Squipnia or Squip from which comes Siptar? Why? Its even written on their coins on Albanian Lek currency. What else? The fact that they were supported, helped and trained by USA and British forces (covertly of course)? The whole Balkans knows this simple truts yet only Albanians seem to believe otherwise....
So keep your book our brothers and spread the truth whenever you can because we have to destroy together this Albanian nationalistic and chauvinistic monster!
While (MANU) have their highlighters and white out in hand they should change the name of this fictitous, political story they call an encyclopedia to Once Upon a Time in Vardarska.
"The level of Albanian insolence is simply astounding. Macedonians should just brush them off and continue with their daily business"
I agree with this statement and I think Macedonians should stick to their psuedo-scientific, sci-fi thriller and not give in an inch. Then we can all have a grand old time betting how long FYROM will survive.
Macedonians were only being truthful about the 2001 summer war. U.S. soldiers did help evacuate the ethnic Albanian militants (in air conditioned buses and allowed them to take their weapons) after the Macedonian soldiers had them surrounded.
And NATO/U.S. did treat the ethnic Albanian wounded militants in Kosovo.
It was obvious that the U.S. stationed in Kosovo and Macedonia did help the militants. Also, when the Albanians started their attacks and were gaining ground before the Macedonians organized, there was no pressure put on the Albanians to stop. Only when the Macedonians started to get the upper hand did the international community threaten Macedonia and demand a halt in the fighting.
The west does sponsor certain ethnic groups and their separatists over others.
Well, they _were_ trained by U.S. and British instructors. That was proved within the Milosevic trial. What is so controversial about that? At least the UCK were trained by them. And the Macedonian counterpart really was made up of the same core as UCK.
TITO - Honestly the accusations are so preposterous that I don't feel the need to defend myself. I think the authors of this piece of fiction need to justify why they are once again making FYROM the laughing stock of the region. The American, English Albanian embassies in Skopje have declared the book highly erroneous and politicized, but I think the Bulgarians said it best "it is unacceptable for a country aspirant for NATO and EU membership to resort to terminology typical for the ideology of the Cold War era."
So I am going to just sit back and watch this thing get pulled on the self, re-worded, admonished, and watch the apologies roll in. Due to the lack of evidence presented by the prosecution, the defense rests.
Dear Dibrani,
If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with facts. What is it exactly in that book which is not true and is offending you? Lets hear your arguments and stop with warmongering.
Page 67 of the encyclopedia alleges that Greeks arrived from Africa and they stole Fyromian civilization and history.
Leonidas, 30 September 2009 23:03
Well it really shows that stupidity has no limits.Maybe in the next edition these idiots will try to prove african roots of greeks setting basketball players Sofoklis Schortsanitis as a proof to their theory.However I must say that albanians are no better when it comes to history falsification.Two all time losers without historical roots .It is so tragicomic when albanians try to prove that all important figures in greek history or famous sportsmen have albanian roots.
To Leonidas,
I was only reffering to Albanian problem and totally agree with your opinion in regards to a pseudo antik origins of modern Macedonians.
I am of an opinion that this debate could be easily solved with a single swab of a mouth DNA. Only then all this so called righteous ethnic fascist will have to shut up forever!
So keep your book our brothers and spread the truth whenever you can because we have to destroy together this Albanian nationalistic and chauvinistic monster!
(TITO, 30 September 2009 17:19)
Iam not surprised at all by this piece of sinister propaganda called encyclopedia(its a greek word and fyromians don't know its meaning) writen by Fyromian historyrevisionists
that have been trying to steal names,identity,culture and history because they sit on a piece of land that was ancientGreek macedonian.This is their only link.
Yet in this retarded encyclopedia they continue their falsification by claiming that the Greeks arrived on their lands from Africa ,they stole the Fyromian culture ( they claim Homer was Fyromian and
Parthenon was built by them)and the world history on ancient Greece was just a fake.All these claims are despite the assurances they gave to UN prior to the interim agreement with regard to ancient macedonian heritage.
These history,culture and identity thiefs have got the nerve to ask the Greeks to allow them to join the clubs they are established members for years.
Fyromians read my lips. Not now,not in 10 years not ever as long as former communist youth leader and recent graduate from Langley UScntinues with his propaganda.
Dear Dibrani,
If you want to be taken seriously then support your argument with facts. What is it exactly in that book which is not true and is offending you? Lets hear your arguments and stop with warmongering.
(TITO, 30 September 2009 20:04)
Tito
Why don't you tell us which part of the encyclopedia is true.
Is it the part in which Fyrom claims that ancient macedonia continued as one entity until the balkan wars and was divided amongst Greece,Serbia and Bulgaria.
Ottoman maps show only the vilayets of Salonik,Monastir and kosovo.Furthermore the last Ottoman census identified only three ethnicities those of Bulgarian,Greek and Muslims-Turkish.
Is it their claim of descendants of ancient macedonians when every historian in the civilised world knows that the Bularian speaking population of Fyrom have no esrtablished
cultural,religious or any other connection with the ancient macedonians.The only connection they have is they live in a small geographical corner of what used to be ancient macedonia.It is an established fact that Fyromians arrived in the Balkans 1000 years after antiquity.
Page 67 of the encyclopedia alleges that Greeks arrived from Africa and they stole Fyromian civilization and history.
I don't want to answer those claims because it is obvious to anybody that we're dealing with insane people and the leader of these people is former commie Gruevski whose goverment has gone into great lengths to finance the work of Fyromian historical revisionists on the encyclopedia.
It suffices to say that Fyromian revisionists always avoid mentioning Byzantium-the Greek empire-because its existence indicates continuity between the ancient Greek macedonians,Byzantium and modern Greece.
Indeed, everything is wrong in that. But as I said many time, this insanity seem to pale with serious studies which not just prove that the stupas of Mandalay were built after Hungarian prototypes and Angkor Wat, too. No matter how foolish somewhat is - there is always somewhat more foolish.
In that spirit, I of course object that entire Aleksandar Makedonski thing. His true name was Nagy Sándor, of course. There is enough material on the net proving, Troy was Hungarian, not just Angkor Wat or India or what-not.
Apparently "Aleksandar Makedonski" versus "Nagy Sándor" is more important than solve the lesser problems with wages, corruption, jobs, education.
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