Belgrade sends letter of protest to UN

Well they are not private people when it comes to 62 countrys who had recognize it's independence. And there is more to come so I understand your frustration jeremic.

You are just to funny sending protests all over the world but it won't help. You and your country are not in a position to stop things or protest about things. Kosovo is independent and there is nothing in the world you can do to gain occupation over it again.


To all serb commentators in here: Do you wrelly think Kosovo can be under serbian rule again ? Is that wrelly possible ? I would like straight answers and not jokes.


Reamember that without the will of the 2 million population in Kosovo Serbia could never gain rule over Kosovo. Even if the whole world was on her side. And don't forget that the albanians in Kosovo will never accept Kosovo to be un-independent. So we can fight and stay in the past but it wont solve anything. Kosovo indepence is irreversible.

kosovo is serbia right? so why worry,he is just saying hello to the big boys,the kosova force cant be stoped,hate the player not the game,1244 will not hold waters.when you are on the ground you have no where to fall to because you are already on the ground,but serbia is falling.open your eyes.the new born baby has come to stay and has 4 powerfull brothers 2 sisters and one uncle with 62 relatives.you cant lose what you dont have,serbia is a great nation help make this region a better place for all to live in peace.let go and let God,let kosova be.

Please Mr. Jeremic stop acting like a child. President Sejdiu, FM Hyseni and other Kosova govermant officials have been for one week allready and holding official meetings with many UN Mmember states in UN HQ. Now, all of sudden just downed on you that they have been there. Wake up from deep sleep.

Chill out Vuk. Win the case at the ICj and then have them permanently excluded from the UN. Until then, don't sweat it.

Why all this protest little boy ? Are you afraid because Kosovo is making progress and the worlds dosen't care about your so called protestnotes ?

After almost 2 years of indepenence Kosovo leaders are more srespected than serbian. Is that were the shoe hurts ?

Well jeremic little boy you cannot stop Kosovo. After 93 countrys recognize us we will have a seat at the UN. What would you do then ?


Of the topic. I bet if Kosovo recognized S.Ossetia and Achbasien Russia would have recognized Kosovo. russia dosen't care so much about Serbia because Serbia has nothing to offer.

Jeremic is getting sillier and sillier as the time passes. I doubt Sejdiu had a gun with him...)))
Why is Jeremic scare to death to see Sejdiu at UN? All these stupid tactics are not making Serbia any further to bring Kosova closer. It is just doing perfectly the opposite.

Jeremic is making a mountain out of a molehill honestly speaking. The Palestiniana and Taiwanese presidents visit the UN from time to time too. No big deal at the end of the day.

the UN is located in the USA and the US is the biggest supporter of Kosovo so its normal that kosovo can get into the UN even if Kosovo is not a UN member and there is nothing that you can do against this face it mr (clown) jeremic and other serbs

The K-albanian delegation was only at the UN to see what they are missing out on. They were probably told: "you can see but you can't touch" and " this is where real countries come to make important decisions".

Well, Kosovo is a province. And thus as such will never join UN!

Hope Albanians will be man enough to admit that!

No UN, no EU for Kosovo!

Mr Jeremic, you know it, that it is not Serbia who decides whether Kosovo should be in the UN building or not, Kosovo is a state, it doesn't have the chair in the assembly, but no one can stop it to be in the building, Kosovo was present and will be present every year at the UN building!

Well, Kosovo is a province. And thus as such will never join UN!

Hope Albanians will be man enough to admit that!

No UN, no EU for Kosovo!
(Ron, 27 September 2009 15:47)

Not sure, are you aware of any bit of reality on the ground? Albanians have 100 years that do not agree on Kosovo's status, and yes Kosovo was rewarded to Serbia under many controversaries, conflicts and dissagreements not only of the people who lived there but also among the great powers of the time.

If Kosovo was not rewarded to Serbia some 100 years ago, today we would have not had these conflicts.

Further, what "man enough" are you talking about? Why don't you simply ask Albanians to roll over and die, because that's what's going to happen sooner or later if they accept Serbian rule in Kosovo.

How can you claim to rule a people whom you hate to death, have always treated misserably and as second class citizens (read all human right reports on Kosovo for at least the past 3-4 decades), and send your army to extarminate and/or cleanse them as you did in 99.

K-Alb shall never trust Serbia again with their lives, or they will be slaughtered.

It is sad that the time has not yet come when Jeremic would decide who can and who cannot visit the UN.

Nevertheless, it is a good try.

Poor Jeremic, I hope that letter was really, really stern. That will teach them, especially when it comes from a third world hellhole like Serbia.

Why didn't you write to Obamam to protest for Obama meeting Sejdiu

UK, your argument makes no sense. Having lived in the US all my life and in Texas for 12 years, I do not see any comparison.
1. The US govt has not shut down any schools, hospitals, businesses because they serve Texans.
2. US military or federal agents have not beaten, raped, murdered any persons for being Texan.
3. People in Texas have never been denied employment nor anything else because they are Texan.
4. The international community has never banded together to force the US forces out of Texas and assume control of the territory.
5. The UN has never enacted one resolution to end the persecution of Texans little on 5.
6 No international coalition has been compelled to launch a bombing campaign on Washington to force an end to an ethnic cleansing campaign.
When all this takes place lets come back and have a discussion on the similarities of Texas and Kosovo!

Ron, you sure you're not related with Vuk? I have this strange feeling you both think the same but fail to dilever one true message, but then again you're Dutch and he being all Serbian. Ron, you sure you're not hiding something for us?

Jeremic, boy is a walking success? He'll soon end up at UN's own top clown list together with Chavez and Ahmadinejad. Now that's something Jeremic will brag to his grandsons.

Well, Kosovo is a province. And thus as such will never join UN!

Hope Albanians will be man enough to admit that!

No UN, no EU for Kosovo!
(Ron, 27 September 2009 15:47)

If is tru Ron what you saying, than why your FM Vuk is making such big fuzz???

"Well they are not private people when it comes to 62 countrys who had recognize it's independence. And there is more to come so I understand your frustration jeremic."

So Smulan,62 countries can make decisions for the rest of the members there. They are not even the majority so what have they got to say then?

Why do we have UNSC then if the 62 countries can make the rules? Let's dismantle the UN and leave these 62 countries to rule the world for they have all the power.


Don't you see how your argument is totally ridiculous?

UK, I did not know that the NATO bombing 78 day bombing campaign was orchestrated just to bomb the Chinese Embassey in Serbia. I have to wonder why China then voted for and did not veto the resolution putting NATO in charge of protection for the people of Kosovo.
I worked in Kosovo for 3 years and found that Serbs lived in villages not compounds. As evidenced by the UNSG report of 24 Nov 2008, which states that freedom of movement is only a problem for the Albanians living in the Serb dominated north. A report praised and embraced by Belgrade.
After investigations into the problems in Kosovo the US removed KLA from its terrorist list.
Ironic that the illegal bombing, I note that is only a Serbian term (of course I cannot see where any country being bombed would consider it a legal act) resulted in the UNSC establishing NATO as the protection force for Kosovo.

This ironical bitterniss, with is shown by Jeremic and the serb. government, is not changing the reality and the fact that the delegation from kosovo was received as all other delegations from sovereign and independent country.Kosovo meet also with countrys that has as far now has not recognize the independent. It is ridicules what Jeremic is saying and trying to make.Serbia is losing on credibility.

To all serb commentators in here: Do you wrelly think Kosovo can be under serbian rule again ? Is that wrelly possible ? I would like straight answers and not jokes.


Reamember that without the will of the 2 million population in Kosovo Serbia could never gain rule over Kosovo. Even if the whole world was on her side. And don't forget that the albanians in Kosovo will never accept Kosovo to be un-independent. So we can fight and stay in the past but it wont solve anything. Kosovo indepence is irreversible.
(Smulan, 27 September 2009 10:13)

Dear Mr. Smulan- No, Kosovo's independence IS reversible.....and it's NOT because of the "frenzied determination" of your less than 2 million population, but rather ONLY because of Camp Bondsteel. K-Albs have only two choices: stay a pariah pseudo-nation never having true independence.....or negotiating a mutually agreeable solution with Serbia, which would greatly benefit the average K-Alb (not, of course the radical K-Albs). You can go around in circles proclaiming your independence, but two thirds of the world doesn't believe it. And Jeremic was absolutely right by filing his complaint about the presence of your K-Alb delegation- they ARE only private citizens with NO rights at the UN (their rules, not mine!) So, please leave your rampant "nationalism" at the door....the solution is negotiations- for a better future for everyone!!! And please don't say that Albanians cannot live under Serbian rule- millions have done it quite peacefully!!!

Jeremic had to be seen as doing something -- after all he knew that the protest was all about face saving, but againj he lost.

What is not reported here is that the UN turned down Jeremic's request saying the Kosovo delegation was there at the invitation of Albania's delegation which was within the rules. So, one in the eye again for Jeremic.

Relax Vuk, the 'Kosovo delegation' were just the pizza caterers at the UN.

When I think about it Vuk Jeremic is over-reacting to the presence of the Kosovar-Albanian delegation at the UN.

So they snuck in under the catering table. Or they disguised themselves as one of maintenance. That they were not present at the GA is enough to suggest they're not being treaten as a soveriegn nation, but are holding private meetings with officials. It's not like they suddenly have access to the Security Council.

Kosovo indepence is irreversible.
(Smulan, 27 September 2009 10:13)

So the same is true for Ossetia and Abkahzia I guess?

No double standards please!

Why Kosovo does not recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia by the way?

pss...thanks for your response.
First of all, the use of Texas was purely a hypothetical analogy just to try and demostrate what I feel to be the heavy handed intervention of the US in something that has nothing to do with them.
Can I address your points as you present them.

1.The US has however bombed these institutions in Belgrade.
2.The KLA, and organisation declared to be terrorists not so many years ago by the US, has however perpetrated those crimes on the hundreds of thousands of displaced Serbs from Kosovo. Things are rarely so one sided in war as the US would have us believe.
3 Serbs in Kosovo, despite the claims of multi ethnicity, have been partitioned and forced to live in compounds guarded by UN forces because they are not free to lead a normal existance in their own land.
4. But the international community did band together to illegaly bomb civilians in Belgrade and to propogate a huge media campaign to try and convince the world that everything that happens in the Balkans is solely the fault of Serbs. Simply not true as I would hope you would be informed enough to accept. Scratch beneath the media gloss and you begin to uncover a far more complex situation and one that would surprise many who regard Serbia as the main protaganists.
5. The UN has however enacted a resolution that has Kosovo rightly being part of Serbia's sovereign territory.
6.And no bombing campaign has been launched on Belgrade truthfully to stop an ethnic cleansing campaign. Please look further below the surface and maybe you might realise that the bombing was not, as reported, an heroic campaign to save the world from its demons. I dont, for example, recall the Chinese Embassy, some 4 or 5 kilometers from the centre of Belgrade, being a military complex for the Serb forces, nor the train full of civilians, nor the bus, nor the column of refugees.
In my opinion there are hidden agendas being played out here. I would urge everyone who has the time and inclination to read as many accounts from as many different sources about what actually led up to the bombing and what happened since before they make comment on the situation. My only hope is that the ICJ takes an informed and pragmatic approach to the UDI and see it for what it really is rather than the US led propoganda machine's version.
Please do not misunderstand me, I am not suggesting that Serbia is entirely faultless, that would be equally misinformed. I am however urging an more balanced perspective and a more informed commentry on the truth of what happens in such conflicts.
The UDI in my opinion sets a very dangerous precedent, one that needs to be legally rejected. UN 1244 needs to be upheld for the sake of some kind of justice.
Thanks

Jeremic isnt sweating it, in fact it's common policy for states like China to & Israel condemn visits by Taiwan & the PA to show that their position is unchanged. Since the UN is in in the USA, that country can let anyone in. What matters is that Russia's veto will always make them unwelcome visitors plus the fact that 2/3 of the UN hasnt recognized Kosmet & wont.

Nice PR stunt Mr. Jeremic, after all you need to justify your 'work' to the Serbian people.

pss
do you think that USA would spend all that money to bombing just to stop a supposed ethnic cleansing campaign? as for the rest they are puppets and i include my government in also! Close the tv and join the rest of us in the real world!
(Nikos, 28 September 2009 15:32)

Your "real word" thrives on western money, and plenty of it (some $250 billions given to Greece from EU). How do you think Greece did so well so quickly, selling oranges and lemons?

Supposed ethnic cleansing? Do you like to downplay the significance of others' lives and sufferings while drinking UZO and having fun in buzukis, and enjoying the billions that EU gave you?

The West spoiled you too much, that is the problem. You have very little merit yet a lot of arrogance. And yes now you try to bit the hands that fed you and act as if you are your "own man". Give me a break.

I am sure the serious protest was given serious consideration before being seriously filed in File 13.

direct answer to "Spygrant"

Serbia is a great nation, I agree.

kosovo is not even a state, so...Serbia won´t let some radicals "be".

great nations do not give in, Spygrant... remember, after five centuries of ottoman occupation... the Serbs kept their christian belief, others in the region did not.

I leave it to you to make the conclusions...
(Jovan, 28 September 2009 00:23)

Do you really dream about this "great nation" theory as well.

Serbs kept their Christian beliefs, oh wow? Maybe Serbs didn't have any other identity other than christian beleifs, unlike some others who didn't really need christianity, or islam or any other religion to affirm themselves.

And when it comes to christianity, Serbs have no higher merits in fighting and contributing to it than the "others", enough to mention Scanderbeg and Mother Teresa.

I just wonder how many posts wouldbe appearing in favour if, for example, Texas suddenly decided it would declare independance from US? I wonder how many of the apparent pragmatists would side with Texas in that situation. Ignore, if you will, the players and just focus on the legalities, that way you will be drawn to 1244 and you will begin to understand the obvious frustration of Serbia as she tries to follow the path of the legal approach. Fo that I have to say that I totally commend the Serbs. In the face of extreme provocation I wonder how many other countries would take such a path? Look at Vietnam, look at Iraq and look at Afganistan before you blindly side with US on the Kosovo issue. The US is only supporting the Albanian because the US stands to benefit, dont be under any illusion that the US is taking any kind of moral or humanitarian stand here! I have two words for those of you who believe the US is the guardian of morals here....Camp Bondsteel. Make of that what you will.

It really was a silly effort by Jeremic and the DS. The only people it might impress is the people in Serbia who still think the DS is fighting to save Kosovo.

But the comments by the Albanian sympathisers on here is even more laughable.

Let's just remind ourselves of how sovereign and independent Kosovo is in the eyes of the world.

Was a Kosovo representative invited to speak at the UN debate? ALL sovereign independent states were invited to speak.

Was there a Kosovo athletics team at last year's Olympics?

Is there a Kosovo national football team trying for the World Cup in South Africa? Does any Kosovo team compete in a FIFA competition?

Will there be a Kosovo entry at the next Eurovision?

Serbia was partitionned in 1999. Pristina has gradually increased the level of self-governance in the past 10 years, but it is no more independent or sovereign in international law or other international institutions. And of all the 192 sovereign states that have had the chance to make individual choices, less than 1/3 have recognised Kosovo after 18 months of coercion from the US and EU.

direct answer to "Spygrant"

Serbia is a great nation, I agree.

kosovo is not even a state, so...Serbia won´t let some radicals "be".

great nations do not give in, Spygrant... remember, after five centuries of ottoman occupation... the Serbs kept their christian belief, others in the region did not.

I leave it to you to make the conclusions...

Just look at his face!
How pathetic!
(miri, 28 September 2009 16:52)

What exactly is pathetic about him or his face?

I think they knew the bouncers.

"Was a Kosovo representative invited to speak at the UN debate? ALL sovereign independent states were invited to speak.

Exactly. Kosovo Albanians were running around tryig to get scraps from the tables.
Not allowed to speak there so forced to corner a few people in corridors hoping to be listened to.

pss
"No international coalition has been compelled to launch a bombing campaign on Washington to force an end to an ethnic cleansing campaign."

pss
do you think that USA would spend all that money to bombing just to stop a supposed ethnic cleansing campaign? as for the rest they are puppets and i include my government in also! Close the tv and join the rest of us in the real world!

To Nikos,
Yes I very much believe the US would spend all that money to stop a very true ethnic cleansing campaign.

Just look at his face!
How pathetic!

pss. Again, thanks for response. Please dont put words in my mouth. Read my reply more carefully before you assume I meant bombing was orchestrated to bomb chinese embassy. It was a comment used to try and raise the issue of US led propoganda to try and sway the thoughts of a very naive public. When did you ever hear the US or UK media tell the story of the chineses embassy? That was my point. Again, I would ask that you and many others read more independant accounts of the nature of what happened in that decade in and around Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. Once again I repeat that I am not suggesting Serbia is without blame but at least try to look at both sides of the coin before demonising her unfairly. Kosovo by virtue of 1244 and of the lines that were drawn by the west after WW2 is part of Serbia. Just because the Albanian population was hugely increased in the region over a short period of time does not automatically give it the right to claim Kosovo as its own. If it were that simple I would suggest the US keep an eye on the mexican population in its own back yard. I would also suggest that the US takes more time to look after its own country rather than intefere in so many others where their "help" is neither needed or wanted. As for your comment regarding the ability for Serbs to live freely in their idyllic villages in Kosovo...I hope you are not really expecting me or anyone else to take that comment seriously? And because the US removed the KLA from its terrorist list does not suddenly make all their actions acceptable, that is an insulting remark to make to anyone who was affected by their actions. It would be interesting to know in what capacity and for whom did you work in Kosovo. Who paid your wages? I wonder if you could also let me know your nationality please? I ask this just to understand your perspective on this issue. Thanks

UK,

If you are from the UK please tell your fellow country men and women about Kosovo.

A lot of people in Western EUrope don't even know that Kosovo independence is illegal!

It is time we face the truth: by recognzining Kosovo, we, the West, broke international law!

It is time to un-do that act!

great nations do not give in, Spygrant... remember, after five centuries of ottoman occupation... the Serbs kept their christian belief, others in the region did not.

I leave it to you to make the conclusions...
(Jovan, 28 September 2009 00:23)

Yes, they kept their religion, while Albanians kept their freedom.
I have no idea what you were trying to show with that one.

On 27 September 2009 21:49, UK wrote: "I just wonder how many posts wouldbe appearing in favour if, for example, Texas suddenly decided it would declare independance from US?"

I would. Whole heartedly. Same for California (which is IMO much more likely).

Independence for everyone. Twice on Sundays!
--

On 29 September 2009 16:31, Ron wrote: "A lot of people in Western EUrope don't even know that Kosovo independence is illegal!"

Illegal? Say who? Certainly not the governments in several countries.

The international police? Who or what is that? Is that the UNSC? That is about as close as an international police that exists.

The ICJ? Well, there has been no ruling yet, so it is a bit premature to say whether the UDI is illegal or not, don't you think?

You *claim* it is illegal. Fine, do that. You have all the right in the world to claim anything you want. Just don't expect the rest of the world to automatically agree with you.
--

answer to Denis:

knowing about historical facts has nothing to do with dreams, my dear albanian friend...

while claiming to be "illyrian" even if proven wrong only to justify the illusion of a "natural Albania" ... is dreaming, indeed.

to the other Albanian, whose name I didn´t remember while writing this:

the Serbs kept their dignity and pride, and liberated themselves.

I´d like to know where the Albanians kept their freedom? and when? they always sided with foreign occupiers, and therefore always lost in the end.

something they still haven´t realized to be the wrong way for them.

as for the "great nation"-stuff you mentioned, Denis: take a look into the world of sports, literature, science... etc.

and then show me something similar in any other nation of only 10.000.000!

...of course you do not understand what I wanted to say with that - you´re an albanian radical, after all.

Well, Kosovo is a province. And thus as such will never join UN!

Hope Albanians will be man enough to admit that!

No UN, no EU for Kosovo!

Mr Jeremic, you know it, that it is not Serbia who decides whether Kosovo should be in the UN building or not, Kosovo is a state, it doesn't have the chair in the assembly, but no one can stop it to be in the building, Kosovo was present and will be present every year at the UN building!

Well they are not private people when it comes to 62 countrys who had recognize it's independence. And there is more to come so I understand your frustration jeremic.

You are just to funny sending protests all over the world but it won't help. You and your country are not in a position to stop things or protest about things. Kosovo is independent and there is nothing in the world you can do to gain occupation over it again.


To all serb commentators in here: Do you wrelly think Kosovo can be under serbian rule again ? Is that wrelly possible ? I would like straight answers and not jokes.


Reamember that without the will of the 2 million population in Kosovo Serbia could never gain rule over Kosovo. Even if the whole world was on her side. And don't forget that the albanians in Kosovo will never accept Kosovo to be un-independent. So we can fight and stay in the past but it wont solve anything. Kosovo indepence is irreversible.

Please Mr. Jeremic stop acting like a child. President Sejdiu, FM Hyseni and other Kosova govermant officials have been for one week allready and holding official meetings with many UN Mmember states in UN HQ. Now, all of sudden just downed on you that they have been there. Wake up from deep sleep.

the UN is located in the USA and the US is the biggest supporter of Kosovo so its normal that kosovo can get into the UN even if Kosovo is not a UN member and there is nothing that you can do against this face it mr (clown) jeremic and other serbs

The K-albanian delegation was only at the UN to see what they are missing out on. They were probably told: "you can see but you can't touch" and " this is where real countries come to make important decisions".

Why all this protest little boy ? Are you afraid because Kosovo is making progress and the worlds dosen't care about your so called protestnotes ?

After almost 2 years of indepenence Kosovo leaders are more srespected than serbian. Is that were the shoe hurts ?

Well jeremic little boy you cannot stop Kosovo. After 93 countrys recognize us we will have a seat at the UN. What would you do then ?


Of the topic. I bet if Kosovo recognized S.Ossetia and Achbasien Russia would have recognized Kosovo. russia dosen't care so much about Serbia because Serbia has nothing to offer.

kosovo is serbia right? so why worry,he is just saying hello to the big boys,the kosova force cant be stoped,hate the player not the game,1244 will not hold waters.when you are on the ground you have no where to fall to because you are already on the ground,but serbia is falling.open your eyes.the new born baby has come to stay and has 4 powerfull brothers 2 sisters and one uncle with 62 relatives.you cant lose what you dont have,serbia is a great nation help make this region a better place for all to live in peace.let go and let God,let kosova be.

Jeremic is getting sillier and sillier as the time passes. I doubt Sejdiu had a gun with him...)))
Why is Jeremic scare to death to see Sejdiu at UN? All these stupid tactics are not making Serbia any further to bring Kosova closer. It is just doing perfectly the opposite.

Chill out Vuk. Win the case at the ICj and then have them permanently excluded from the UN. Until then, don't sweat it.

"Well they are not private people when it comes to 62 countrys who had recognize it's independence. And there is more to come so I understand your frustration jeremic."

So Smulan,62 countries can make decisions for the rest of the members there. They are not even the majority so what have they got to say then?

Why do we have UNSC then if the 62 countries can make the rules? Let's dismantle the UN and leave these 62 countries to rule the world for they have all the power.


Don't you see how your argument is totally ridiculous?

pss...thanks for your response.
First of all, the use of Texas was purely a hypothetical analogy just to try and demostrate what I feel to be the heavy handed intervention of the US in something that has nothing to do with them.
Can I address your points as you present them.

1.The US has however bombed these institutions in Belgrade.
2.The KLA, and organisation declared to be terrorists not so many years ago by the US, has however perpetrated those crimes on the hundreds of thousands of displaced Serbs from Kosovo. Things are rarely so one sided in war as the US would have us believe.
3 Serbs in Kosovo, despite the claims of multi ethnicity, have been partitioned and forced to live in compounds guarded by UN forces because they are not free to lead a normal existance in their own land.
4. But the international community did band together to illegaly bomb civilians in Belgrade and to propogate a huge media campaign to try and convince the world that everything that happens in the Balkans is solely the fault of Serbs. Simply not true as I would hope you would be informed enough to accept. Scratch beneath the media gloss and you begin to uncover a far more complex situation and one that would surprise many who regard Serbia as the main protaganists.
5. The UN has however enacted a resolution that has Kosovo rightly being part of Serbia's sovereign territory.
6.And no bombing campaign has been launched on Belgrade truthfully to stop an ethnic cleansing campaign. Please look further below the surface and maybe you might realise that the bombing was not, as reported, an heroic campaign to save the world from its demons. I dont, for example, recall the Chinese Embassy, some 4 or 5 kilometers from the centre of Belgrade, being a military complex for the Serb forces, nor the train full of civilians, nor the bus, nor the column of refugees.
In my opinion there are hidden agendas being played out here. I would urge everyone who has the time and inclination to read as many accounts from as many different sources about what actually led up to the bombing and what happened since before they make comment on the situation. My only hope is that the ICJ takes an informed and pragmatic approach to the UDI and see it for what it really is rather than the US led propoganda machine's version.
Please do not misunderstand me, I am not suggesting that Serbia is entirely faultless, that would be equally misinformed. I am however urging an more balanced perspective and a more informed commentry on the truth of what happens in such conflicts.
The UDI in my opinion sets a very dangerous precedent, one that needs to be legally rejected. UN 1244 needs to be upheld for the sake of some kind of justice.
Thanks

Jeremic is making a mountain out of a molehill honestly speaking. The Palestiniana and Taiwanese presidents visit the UN from time to time too. No big deal at the end of the day.

I just wonder how many posts wouldbe appearing in favour if, for example, Texas suddenly decided it would declare independance from US? I wonder how many of the apparent pragmatists would side with Texas in that situation. Ignore, if you will, the players and just focus on the legalities, that way you will be drawn to 1244 and you will begin to understand the obvious frustration of Serbia as she tries to follow the path of the legal approach. Fo that I have to say that I totally commend the Serbs. In the face of extreme provocation I wonder how many other countries would take such a path? Look at Vietnam, look at Iraq and look at Afganistan before you blindly side with US on the Kosovo issue. The US is only supporting the Albanian because the US stands to benefit, dont be under any illusion that the US is taking any kind of moral or humanitarian stand here! I have two words for those of you who believe the US is the guardian of morals here....Camp Bondsteel. Make of that what you will.

So they snuck in under the catering table. Or they disguised themselves as one of maintenance. That they were not present at the GA is enough to suggest they're not being treaten as a soveriegn nation, but are holding private meetings with officials. It's not like they suddenly have access to the Security Council.

direct answer to "Spygrant"

Serbia is a great nation, I agree.

kosovo is not even a state, so...Serbia won´t let some radicals "be".

great nations do not give in, Spygrant... remember, after five centuries of ottoman occupation... the Serbs kept their christian belief, others in the region did not.

I leave it to you to make the conclusions...

Jeremic isnt sweating it, in fact it's common policy for states like China to & Israel condemn visits by Taiwan & the PA to show that their position is unchanged. Since the UN is in in the USA, that country can let anyone in. What matters is that Russia's veto will always make them unwelcome visitors plus the fact that 2/3 of the UN hasnt recognized Kosmet & wont.

To all serb commentators in here: Do you wrelly think Kosovo can be under serbian rule again ? Is that wrelly possible ? I would like straight answers and not jokes.


Reamember that without the will of the 2 million population in Kosovo Serbia could never gain rule over Kosovo. Even if the whole world was on her side. And don't forget that the albanians in Kosovo will never accept Kosovo to be un-independent. So we can fight and stay in the past but it wont solve anything. Kosovo indepence is irreversible.
(Smulan, 27 September 2009 10:13)

Dear Mr. Smulan- No, Kosovo's independence IS reversible.....and it's NOT because of the "frenzied determination" of your less than 2 million population, but rather ONLY because of Camp Bondsteel. K-Albs have only two choices: stay a pariah pseudo-nation never having true independence.....or negotiating a mutually agreeable solution with Serbia, which would greatly benefit the average K-Alb (not, of course the radical K-Albs). You can go around in circles proclaiming your independence, but two thirds of the world doesn't believe it. And Jeremic was absolutely right by filing his complaint about the presence of your K-Alb delegation- they ARE only private citizens with NO rights at the UN (their rules, not mine!) So, please leave your rampant "nationalism" at the door....the solution is negotiations- for a better future for everyone!!! And please don't say that Albanians cannot live under Serbian rule- millions have done it quite peacefully!!!

Ron, you sure you're not related with Vuk? I have this strange feeling you both think the same but fail to dilever one true message, but then again you're Dutch and he being all Serbian. Ron, you sure you're not hiding something for us?

Jeremic, boy is a walking success? He'll soon end up at UN's own top clown list together with Chavez and Ahmadinejad. Now that's something Jeremic will brag to his grandsons.

It really was a silly effort by Jeremic and the DS. The only people it might impress is the people in Serbia who still think the DS is fighting to save Kosovo.

But the comments by the Albanian sympathisers on here is even more laughable.

Let's just remind ourselves of how sovereign and independent Kosovo is in the eyes of the world.

Was a Kosovo representative invited to speak at the UN debate? ALL sovereign independent states were invited to speak.

Was there a Kosovo athletics team at last year's Olympics?

Is there a Kosovo national football team trying for the World Cup in South Africa? Does any Kosovo team compete in a FIFA competition?

Will there be a Kosovo entry at the next Eurovision?

Serbia was partitionned in 1999. Pristina has gradually increased the level of self-governance in the past 10 years, but it is no more independent or sovereign in international law or other international institutions. And of all the 192 sovereign states that have had the chance to make individual choices, less than 1/3 have recognised Kosovo after 18 months of coercion from the US and EU.

pss
do you think that USA would spend all that money to bombing just to stop a supposed ethnic cleansing campaign? as for the rest they are puppets and i include my government in also! Close the tv and join the rest of us in the real world!
(Nikos, 28 September 2009 15:32)

Your "real word" thrives on western money, and plenty of it (some $250 billions given to Greece from EU). How do you think Greece did so well so quickly, selling oranges and lemons?

Supposed ethnic cleansing? Do you like to downplay the significance of others' lives and sufferings while drinking UZO and having fun in buzukis, and enjoying the billions that EU gave you?

The West spoiled you too much, that is the problem. You have very little merit yet a lot of arrogance. And yes now you try to bit the hands that fed you and act as if you are your "own man". Give me a break.

Poor Jeremic, I hope that letter was really, really stern. That will teach them, especially when it comes from a third world hellhole like Serbia.

Why didn't you write to Obamam to protest for Obama meeting Sejdiu

Kosovo indepence is irreversible.
(Smulan, 27 September 2009 10:13)

So the same is true for Ossetia and Abkahzia I guess?

No double standards please!

Why Kosovo does not recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia by the way?

UK, your argument makes no sense. Having lived in the US all my life and in Texas for 12 years, I do not see any comparison.
1. The US govt has not shut down any schools, hospitals, businesses because they serve Texans.
2. US military or federal agents have not beaten, raped, murdered any persons for being Texan.
3. People in Texas have never been denied employment nor anything else because they are Texan.
4. The international community has never banded together to force the US forces out of Texas and assume control of the territory.
5. The UN has never enacted one resolution to end the persecution of Texans little on 5.
6 No international coalition has been compelled to launch a bombing campaign on Washington to force an end to an ethnic cleansing campaign.
When all this takes place lets come back and have a discussion on the similarities of Texas and Kosovo!

Relax Vuk, the 'Kosovo delegation' were just the pizza caterers at the UN.

Just look at his face!
How pathetic!

Well, Kosovo is a province. And thus as such will never join UN!

Hope Albanians will be man enough to admit that!

No UN, no EU for Kosovo!
(Ron, 27 September 2009 15:47)

If is tru Ron what you saying, than why your FM Vuk is making such big fuzz???

It is sad that the time has not yet come when Jeremic would decide who can and who cannot visit the UN.

Nevertheless, it is a good try.

Jeremic had to be seen as doing something -- after all he knew that the protest was all about face saving, but againj he lost.

What is not reported here is that the UN turned down Jeremic's request saying the Kosovo delegation was there at the invitation of Albania's delegation which was within the rules. So, one in the eye again for Jeremic.

UK, I did not know that the NATO bombing 78 day bombing campaign was orchestrated just to bomb the Chinese Embassey in Serbia. I have to wonder why China then voted for and did not veto the resolution putting NATO in charge of protection for the people of Kosovo.
I worked in Kosovo for 3 years and found that Serbs lived in villages not compounds. As evidenced by the UNSG report of 24 Nov 2008, which states that freedom of movement is only a problem for the Albanians living in the Serb dominated north. A report praised and embraced by Belgrade.
After investigations into the problems in Kosovo the US removed KLA from its terrorist list.
Ironic that the illegal bombing, I note that is only a Serbian term (of course I cannot see where any country being bombed would consider it a legal act) resulted in the UNSC establishing NATO as the protection force for Kosovo.

Well, Kosovo is a province. And thus as such will never join UN!

Hope Albanians will be man enough to admit that!

No UN, no EU for Kosovo!
(Ron, 27 September 2009 15:47)

Not sure, are you aware of any bit of reality on the ground? Albanians have 100 years that do not agree on Kosovo's status, and yes Kosovo was rewarded to Serbia under many controversaries, conflicts and dissagreements not only of the people who lived there but also among the great powers of the time.

If Kosovo was not rewarded to Serbia some 100 years ago, today we would have not had these conflicts.

Further, what "man enough" are you talking about? Why don't you simply ask Albanians to roll over and die, because that's what's going to happen sooner or later if they accept Serbian rule in Kosovo.

How can you claim to rule a people whom you hate to death, have always treated misserably and as second class citizens (read all human right reports on Kosovo for at least the past 3-4 decades), and send your army to extarminate and/or cleanse them as you did in 99.

K-Alb shall never trust Serbia again with their lives, or they will be slaughtered.

I think they knew the bouncers.

Nice PR stunt Mr. Jeremic, after all you need to justify your 'work' to the Serbian people.

On 29 September 2009 16:31, Ron wrote: "A lot of people in Western EUrope don't even know that Kosovo independence is illegal!"

Illegal? Say who? Certainly not the governments in several countries.

The international police? Who or what is that? Is that the UNSC? That is about as close as an international police that exists.

The ICJ? Well, there has been no ruling yet, so it is a bit premature to say whether the UDI is illegal or not, don't you think?

You *claim* it is illegal. Fine, do that. You have all the right in the world to claim anything you want. Just don't expect the rest of the world to automatically agree with you.
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This ironical bitterniss, with is shown by Jeremic and the serb. government, is not changing the reality and the fact that the delegation from kosovo was received as all other delegations from sovereign and independent country.Kosovo meet also with countrys that has as far now has not recognize the independent. It is ridicules what Jeremic is saying and trying to make.Serbia is losing on credibility.

I am sure the serious protest was given serious consideration before being seriously filed in File 13.

direct answer to "Spygrant"

Serbia is a great nation, I agree.

kosovo is not even a state, so...Serbia won´t let some radicals "be".

great nations do not give in, Spygrant... remember, after five centuries of ottoman occupation... the Serbs kept their christian belief, others in the region did not.

I leave it to you to make the conclusions...
(Jovan, 28 September 2009 00:23)

Do you really dream about this "great nation" theory as well.

Serbs kept their Christian beliefs, oh wow? Maybe Serbs didn't have any other identity other than christian beleifs, unlike some others who didn't really need christianity, or islam or any other religion to affirm themselves.

And when it comes to christianity, Serbs have no higher merits in fighting and contributing to it than the "others", enough to mention Scanderbeg and Mother Teresa.

On 27 September 2009 21:49, UK wrote: "I just wonder how many posts wouldbe appearing in favour if, for example, Texas suddenly decided it would declare independance from US?"

I would. Whole heartedly. Same for California (which is IMO much more likely).

Independence for everyone. Twice on Sundays!
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UK,

If you are from the UK please tell your fellow country men and women about Kosovo.

A lot of people in Western EUrope don't even know that Kosovo independence is illegal!

It is time we face the truth: by recognzining Kosovo, we, the West, broke international law!

It is time to un-do that act!

To Nikos,
Yes I very much believe the US would spend all that money to stop a very true ethnic cleansing campaign.

great nations do not give in, Spygrant... remember, after five centuries of ottoman occupation... the Serbs kept their christian belief, others in the region did not.

I leave it to you to make the conclusions...
(Jovan, 28 September 2009 00:23)

Yes, they kept their religion, while Albanians kept their freedom.
I have no idea what you were trying to show with that one.

When I think about it Vuk Jeremic is over-reacting to the presence of the Kosovar-Albanian delegation at the UN.

pss
"No international coalition has been compelled to launch a bombing campaign on Washington to force an end to an ethnic cleansing campaign."

pss
do you think that USA would spend all that money to bombing just to stop a supposed ethnic cleansing campaign? as for the rest they are puppets and i include my government in also! Close the tv and join the rest of us in the real world!

Just look at his face!
How pathetic!
(miri, 28 September 2009 16:52)

What exactly is pathetic about him or his face?

"Was a Kosovo representative invited to speak at the UN debate? ALL sovereign independent states were invited to speak.

Exactly. Kosovo Albanians were running around tryig to get scraps from the tables.
Not allowed to speak there so forced to corner a few people in corridors hoping to be listened to.

pss. Again, thanks for response. Please dont put words in my mouth. Read my reply more carefully before you assume I meant bombing was orchestrated to bomb chinese embassy. It was a comment used to try and raise the issue of US led propoganda to try and sway the thoughts of a very naive public. When did you ever hear the US or UK media tell the story of the chineses embassy? That was my point. Again, I would ask that you and many others read more independant accounts of the nature of what happened in that decade in and around Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. Once again I repeat that I am not suggesting Serbia is without blame but at least try to look at both sides of the coin before demonising her unfairly. Kosovo by virtue of 1244 and of the lines that were drawn by the west after WW2 is part of Serbia. Just because the Albanian population was hugely increased in the region over a short period of time does not automatically give it the right to claim Kosovo as its own. If it were that simple I would suggest the US keep an eye on the mexican population in its own back yard. I would also suggest that the US takes more time to look after its own country rather than intefere in so many others where their "help" is neither needed or wanted. As for your comment regarding the ability for Serbs to live freely in their idyllic villages in Kosovo...I hope you are not really expecting me or anyone else to take that comment seriously? And because the US removed the KLA from its terrorist list does not suddenly make all their actions acceptable, that is an insulting remark to make to anyone who was affected by their actions. It would be interesting to know in what capacity and for whom did you work in Kosovo. Who paid your wages? I wonder if you could also let me know your nationality please? I ask this just to understand your perspective on this issue. Thanks

answer to Denis:

knowing about historical facts has nothing to do with dreams, my dear albanian friend...

while claiming to be "illyrian" even if proven wrong only to justify the illusion of a "natural Albania" ... is dreaming, indeed.

to the other Albanian, whose name I didn´t remember while writing this:

the Serbs kept their dignity and pride, and liberated themselves.

I´d like to know where the Albanians kept their freedom? and when? they always sided with foreign occupiers, and therefore always lost in the end.

something they still haven´t realized to be the wrong way for them.

as for the "great nation"-stuff you mentioned, Denis: take a look into the world of sports, literature, science... etc.

and then show me something similar in any other nation of only 10.000.000!

...of course you do not understand what I wanted to say with that - you´re an albanian radical, after all.