Tadić: No pressure to be put on ICJ

Predictably, Mr Tadic's speech was dominated by Kosovo. It was a clear demonstration of Serbia's foreign policy priority. It emphasised its parochial nature and belied Mr Tadic's effort to paint himself as a regional leader of global vision.

Three more comments on Mr Tadic's UN speech. First, he seemed to contradict himself when he said Serbia would never recognise Kosovo, whilst repeating his belief in the ICJ. What happens if ICJ decides that Kosovo's independence does not violate international law? Will then Serbia recognise Kosovo? Never said tadic. So why did he bother to ask the ICJ? This is one of the weakest points of Serbia's arguments.

Secondly, Mr Tadic conveniently forgot to address the question why is Kosovo independent. Wonder why?

Finally, his delivery was not great; poor English and bad pronounciation. All in all, not a very impressive performance.

"He added that Serbia would continue to defend its territorial integrity through peaceful and diplomatic measures...."
Even if the Icj rules differently?? So is he pre calling the ICJ a mock up?
Or another stalling tactic?

If there is any justice and fairness in world politics then Serbia will prevail at the ICJ. It's not reasonable that a country should be brutalized by the worlds most powerfull military alliance, HATO, only to get part of its internationally recognized territory occupied and raped by America and albanians.
Kosovo je Srbija!

There is a little problem here.If the ICJ decides for Serbia how will he then reinstate Serbia's control over Kosovo? By legal and diplomatic means? The Albanians will not accept any kind of negation of their independence and will fight.I cannot envisage Tadic's attempt to resestablish control.Who will help him? If all the countries rescinded their decision then the will of the people there will not accept a reintroduction of Serbian control and you will have a guerilla war.This whole mess cannot be solved by the ICJ unless it confirms Albanian independence leaving Tadic with zero power to change things.
As a Serb the practicalities are impossible for any one to change this without massive bloodshed.Where it a situation of relative parity of peoples then even that would be difficult but this is a no hoper.
The truth is that The International Community has changed borders again like in 1991 by creating another state.Afterwards they will say they were backed up by the ICJ if it goes against Tadic.
The irony is it will somewhat radicalise Bosnia because some will say well if Kosovo can go why not RS .The West will of course say that Kosovo was a special case but pandoras box will be open.If Tadic was hoping for help from the West on this he won't get it.He will be given a place in the EU and told to accept Kosovo independence.
I cannot work Tadic out.He is either naive, incompetent or totally out of his depth.Either way a de jure ICJ announcement for him won't save him because de facto Kosovo is independent and de jure by the USA and others.
He will say he tried and try and save himself.It might have few ramifications in a Serbia seeking Euro gold but for those out there who seem to think one day Serb law will control Kosovo are fantasists irrespective of their emotional committment.
Tadic is fooling all those who write in on Serbia's behalf.In the 1990's would Tudjman have accepted Krajina's loss by focusing on legal and diplomatic means? Yes had he been powerless but he had US support.Tadic is powerless and an extremely poor leader.He appears as a Eurocrat official with zero passion zero patriotism and I feel is aware that it is lost either way.
Which Albanian is fearful about his government in Belgrade?Who really believes he can achieve anything? He apoligises to the Croats who haven't reciprocated his feelings, talks of helping to solve Bosnia by acting as a mediator and welcomes the dreadful anti Serb Biden to Belgrade.
Serbs we have lost Kosovo! Forget your emotional rants..Let us seek the independence of our kith and kin in RS again a basic democratic right.Tadic follows the whole dreadful experience of the post 1945 wilderness Broz Milosevic and now Tadic.

The current Court list ( see http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1&p2=2&p3=1) does not let me be optimistic about it’s solutions. Last year we could expect 40-50% voices in our favor while this year I can predict about 30-40%. I am far from thinking that the other side will let them vote freely cause de facto they are judging over all the events that has happened in former Yugoslavia since 1999.
One way or another the verdict will be a stance at the Serbian Tragedy as a whole. The US and it’s European allies cannot afford being prosecuted for the crimes they had to commit to destroy the initial UN member. Anyway we can use this tribune to tell the things the West would like to forget. Hopefully Leonid Skotnikov will represent Serbia as good as Vitaly Churkin does.

Serbia, through Mr. Tadic, is simply asking the world leaders to adhere to international law, rather than "political" pressures. And yes, no matter develops with the ICJ ruling, Kosovo can never be truly independent without Serbia's consent. All rational thinking people know that it was wrong for K-Albs to unilaterally and illegally to declare independence. Tadic is right when he says that the future for international law will be very unstable if the UDI is upheld- which would mean politics overriding international legitimacy! Every country on earth knows that Kosovo's UDI was a result of what the West wanted, and NOT because of the K-Albs "plights".
As an aside....yesterday's speech at the G-20 Summit by Obama was almost comical when he stressed the need of the US and the international community to follow "international law" in combatting the tactics of Iran's nuclear developments. But is the US abiding by "international law" in the case of Serbia and Kosovo- of course not...especially when only a handful of countries even have diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Kosovo, and its people, will be going nowhere for a very long time....unless it truly negotiates with Serbia for a "bilateral" and not a unilateral status.

Serbia is creating the impression with such declaration, that they are entitled to speak and act on behalf of the ICJ.The serb.government do not published any facts that any country is putting pression on the ICJ.serbia should stopp putting pression on neighbouring country's and nations with the aim to destabilise the whole region.

I can not begin to imagine how Serbia is going to win the legal case at the ICJ. From the outset Serbian officials declared that they would never recognize Kosovo regardless of the ICJ outcome. When one side takes such firm positions to the argument then it begs the question why bother asking the opinion of the court since apparently Serbia already made up its mind.

I have always believed that playing a game of all or nothing is always dangerous and that is exactly what Serbian politicians are doing when it comes to Kosovo. Once the ICJ issues its opinion then the game of deliberate procrastinating by Serbia will come to an end. It is mind boggling that Serbia which a couple a years ago was pariah state suddenly declares itself the defender of the international laws.

Serbia can never peacefully again rule Kosovo. This is an established fact confirmed by the international community. Why? What are the causes and effects and is independence the answer? Well this is what ICJ will look at.

Good luck Serbia in getting a favorable oppinion because you are not.

Mr. Tadic's grotesque slogan "Both Kosovo and Europe" has already boiled down to "Neither Kosovo nor Europe."
Who will pay the price for that?

Mr. Tadic's grotesque slogan "Both Kosovo and Europe" has already boiled down to "Neither Kosovo nor Europe."
Who will pay the price for that?
(Julia Best, 26 September 2009 17:15)

Well, Julia, I think Serbia will join EU. Kosovo will remain under UN control. Kosovo will not join EU as an independent state. Spain and others will never allow that.

So limbo continues!
No EU and UN for Kosovo!

Nik--I have had the same problem with Tadic. What's the deal with him? Clearly, he is running scared by trying to suck up to everyone: the EU, the US, the Chinese, the Russians, business interests, the nationalists, and progressives in the gay movement. What a complete mess. Ironically, he tries to act tough about Kosovo, but only a completely weak person would kowtow to every person and persuasion.

But then I observe Serbia and ask myself: What would I do given the same circumstances? I think it is revealing to look at the recent Gay Pride debacle (and beatings of foreigners) in relation to the foment over Kosovo. Specifically, nothing has changed over the last 8 years. A vigil ante mentality has the upper hand. And, issues such as gay people and Kosovo are obsessive in spite of other, much more significant, worries. I think it is important and reasonable to point out that Dindic was assassinated while trying to be a truly transformative leader.

I say this not to defend, per se, Tadic. I am weary of him. But I also believe people get the leaders they deserve. So maybe the real question is: Is there a silent majority of Serbs who do not care enough to speak up? OR, is this (generally) Serbia?

I agree with others who have said Kosovo is lost. However, it was lost LOING before their declaration a year ago. Even if the ICJ should give it "back," how can that possibly be maintained?

What will be the final tipping point? I believe those that cry Kosovo!, don't want to be part of the EU, and violently hate gay people are on the wrong side of history. I now just wonder how long this will take.

“The outcome will either dissuade other separatist movements from trying to secede or could result in encouraging such processes,”

Poor Serbia. Tried to get rid of /kill the Albanian population and they got caught. Do you want to encourage such processes? No, because you will be bombed and you will lose the territory.

This is Tadic preparing the ground for and if ICJ rules that Kosovo independence was legal - this way they can say to the serbian public "Well, they applied pressure on ICJ".

Serbia stance on this is a complete joke. They are the ones that refered this issue to ICJ while at the same time they declare that they don't fully trust the ability of ICJ to independently rule on this issue. They have also stated that they will only accept the decision of ICJ if it is in Serbia's favour!!

But then again this is consistent with the serbian view that if anybody disagrees with it, then it must be a conspiracy, a lie, paid by albanian mafia et etc.

mospyt is no position to be lecturing anyone on the English language.

There is no hypocrisy in Serbia's position towards the ICJ. Even if the ICJ rules that Kosovo's declaration was legal, this simply leaves each country with the right, but not the obligation, of recognizing Kosovo's independence. This might lead to a few more recognitions, but it does hardly anything to change the status quo. On the other hand, if the ICJ rules squarely in Serbia's favor, it's back to the negotiating table for Kosovo's Albanians, as their lot cannot possibly improve, and they are best off cutting whatever deal they can, rather than to continue uselessly reiterating their independence.

Odds are that the ICJ will issue some kind of fudge. It can't rule squarely in favor of the Albanians and set the entire international order into a tailspin just for their sake. On the other hand, the ICJ is not likely to say the Serbs were right all along. Unfortunately for the Albanians, they need a clear win, while Serbia, which holds an extant UN resolution in its hands, merely needs a tie.

ICJ says Kosovo independence is LEGAL:

Well, then Kosovo is a precedent and others will use it. Kurds/Iraq for example.

Big problem for US but also for Russia and China.


ICJ says Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL:

Well, then the West - so much in favor of international law - should unrecognize Kosovo. Will they do that? Probably not...

So the limbo continues!

The losers: everyone! Serbia, the inhabitans of Kosovo, UN, international law!

What a sad affair!

I have a question for Roberto.

Why do you feel the need to write something resembling war and peace when you post here? I seriously doubt that anyone will actually read your mantra which has no end.
Are you constantly trying to "educate" us on how your version of everything is correct by boring us to tears?

Now for the Albanians who think that Serbia cannot gain political control and physical control of Kosovo I say you could not be more wrong.

All that has to be done is arresting Thaci and his KLA terrorists and other criminals in power and influencial positions there and the people will be free to live their lives normally again. Once these people are out and their reign of terror ends you will see that soon enough most people will just want to get on with their lives in improved living conditions. Everyone is tired of constant meyham there.

Finally, his delivery was not great; poor English and bad pronounciation. All in all, not a very impressive performance.
(Mospyt, 26 September 2009 12:59)

I would say that it was rather courageous and a sign of respect to speak in english cause most of them speak in their native language with translation, starting with Napoleon Sarkozy or Merkel...

Pandora's box was not opened by the Albanians -- it was exploded open by that horrible milosevic way back in the 80s. but of course the roots far precede him, and the ugly aftershocks of pandora's explosion are still with us. we just heard one of them from tadic, the "democratic" nationalist leader of the current belgrade regime. he and the rest of that regime are all one note charlies: Kosovo -- Kosovo--Kosovo. no matter how belligerent, how arrogant, how short sighted, how amoral, it is their only note. and a sour one at that, esp. to a global audience instead of the usual domestic consumers.

talk about unceasing pressure: it is the belgrade regime that never and i mean never stops exerting pressure: torturing and tormenting the people of Kosovo/a, and attempting to coerce and threaten the rest of the world: if you agree with us (as you better!) that is correct -- if you side against us, we'll never accept it anyway, and woe is to you and the "stability" of the world. every separatist movement will rise up in total violence, (and we will applaud.) who does this remind us of? some sort of intl terrorist monologue?

tadic at one time may have played the democrat (??) but if that is so it was long ago, and his true and worst nationalist credentials are on display, on the world stage. brought to you by Serbia. a bit scary for those that remember ancient history (the 1990s).

then the underlying threat as others have alluded to: you just try it with "our" holy kosovo, and bosnia is next. i guess kosovo is only so holy as is convenient, and once they get it that it isn't under their colonial domain, they deserve a consolation prize -- another neighbor, bosnia.

but, um, no, you do not get another neighbor. that is why the civilized world had to intervene a few years back, after 100s of thousands dead, and genocide a go go, very belatedly, blood on our hands. old news. but the message finally reached belgrade: yugoslavia is dead, and you ain't imposing serboslavia in return. it just isn't happening.

and to think, all of this time wasted, and so many rich resources, natural and otherwise, thrown into the garbage heap of nationalism, when they could have been channeled into some productive means.

i have frnds living all throughout the former yu -- who cares what their ethnicities are! -- who have lost so much, so many loved ones, so many good years of their lives to this crap. really! enough is enough! intl community, so called, must demand that the blgd regime become civilized; it is the only hope for us, only hope in the balkans.

set a good example, and do not allow the aggressors to succeed.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

I expect Kosovo to win the ICJ case. Very highly.

The reasons that are I will keep to myself.
Hint: _ Serbs don't let yourselves get duped by your gov't propaganda. Preambles are not biding. ....Goodbye.

There is no political pressure. It's just shows that Serbia is scarred.
Hysterical.

This will be a great victory for Kosovo! Clear and decent win!

The lasting peace in the war-torn Balkans is near.
Take my message seriously:
Serbia's job is to fight for democracy and liberties, not lost fights like Kosovo. Kosovo is a sovereign entity, today!

MikeC,

"If there is any justice and fairness in world politics then Serbia will prevail at the ICJ."

I find it problemic your way of thinkig which in other words means that "Serbia is always right".
It might not be too much of your fault because that is how someone can be brainwashed and believe fanatically in something that is not real.

Read again and again your comment of
"It's not reasonable that a country should be brutalized by the worlds most powerfull military alliance, HATO, only to get part of its internationally recognized territory occupied and raped by America and albanians"

An absolute lie and misinformation.

And will the last one with

"Kosovo je Srbija!" you and those thinking like you "nailed it")))) Upppss)

Where have you been to englighten us?)))

Kosova is Albania...Upssss)))
I am sorry you said it first!)

Amazing, or actually not, to see how much anger and hatred is coming out of k-a posters, why, simply because Mr Tadic had the right to speak at the GA...

Good luck to the international justice, good luck to all of us who still want to believe that a justice exists, irrespective of how big or powerfull one is and the hell for the nationalists of either side or etnicity!

MikeC -If there is any justice and fairness in world politics then Serbia would gets its just deserves for all the suffering it has caused. It's not reasonable that a country of Bosnia i Herzegovina should be brutalized by Serbia and Serbs. Rewarded for ethnic cleansing ,murder ,destruction of its neighbors still working towards their demise in Bosnia. Boris Tadić and Dodik just pay cruel game of lip service to it. Boris pretends to be the good upholder of Bosnia and Dodik the grieved party what a sham and a clown act. When their bafoon shenanigans plans play out and undoubtedly fail they go running to each other wondering what happened to their evil ingenius plans. As if any one of IQ of a toddler would buy it as they play out there stupidity and subterfuge. Time is running out for Serbia and Serbs to make just amends. Then you could get Gods favor until then only his righteous judgments. Don't be like the fools who asked Jesus hows my neighbor to justifie them selfs and what they do.

"Tadić added that he believes that the court’s decision will set a strong legal precedent."

What does Tadic really mean "pressure" on ICJ?

The right of each country to decide on international relations whenever it thinks fit?

Can Tadic tell us whether he will accept the court's opinion should it say Kosova's declaration of independence is within international law? Serbia has never said it will to my knowledge. It is just proves that is not about "international law" but all about Serbia's interest.

Challenge me on that!

PS. Serbia is entitled to its opinion as any other independent country.

Kosovo is a sovereign entity, today!
(Dutch, 27 September 2009 09:39)

You are from Holland? Holland says one of its tasks is working on international law and such.

Well, if Holland recognizes Kosovo it is actually destroying international law! Is that what you want?

1244 is still valid. International law, my friend!

Tadic says that world order will cease to exist if ICJ decides in favor of Kosova. Isn't that pressure on ICJ.Perhaps what he meant was Serbia can put pressure , on ICJ,but not others. Furthermore didn't Serbia say it wont abide by a decision it asked for. I wonder if others know about double-speak and bs rhetoric too or is it just serbs.

well, although being no fan of Tadic, I´d say to "Mospyt" that Tadic at least SPEAKS ENGLISH!

this funny figure named Sediu is not even capable of speaking english, so ...how about taking a look on your own socalled "presidents" =)


the comment I liked the most, was from "the Dutch" who in all seriousness wants to sell us how he knows more than others, but only does not want to unveil his superior knowledge...

well, my dear dutch friend, ...I think you unveiled yourself..., more than sufficiently.

If there is any justice and fairness in world politics then Serbia will prevail at the ICJ. It's not reasonable that a country should be brutalized by the worlds most powerfull military alliance, HATO, only to get part of its internationally recognized territory occupied and raped by America and albanians.
Kosovo je Srbija!

Predictably, Mr Tadic's speech was dominated by Kosovo. It was a clear demonstration of Serbia's foreign policy priority. It emphasised its parochial nature and belied Mr Tadic's effort to paint himself as a regional leader of global vision.

Three more comments on Mr Tadic's UN speech. First, he seemed to contradict himself when he said Serbia would never recognise Kosovo, whilst repeating his belief in the ICJ. What happens if ICJ decides that Kosovo's independence does not violate international law? Will then Serbia recognise Kosovo? Never said tadic. So why did he bother to ask the ICJ? This is one of the weakest points of Serbia's arguments.

Secondly, Mr Tadic conveniently forgot to address the question why is Kosovo independent. Wonder why?

Finally, his delivery was not great; poor English and bad pronounciation. All in all, not a very impressive performance.

"He added that Serbia would continue to defend its territorial integrity through peaceful and diplomatic measures...."
Even if the Icj rules differently?? So is he pre calling the ICJ a mock up?
Or another stalling tactic?

Serbia is creating the impression with such declaration, that they are entitled to speak and act on behalf of the ICJ.The serb.government do not published any facts that any country is putting pression on the ICJ.serbia should stopp putting pression on neighbouring country's and nations with the aim to destabilise the whole region.

“The outcome will either dissuade other separatist movements from trying to secede or could result in encouraging such processes,”

Poor Serbia. Tried to get rid of /kill the Albanian population and they got caught. Do you want to encourage such processes? No, because you will be bombed and you will lose the territory.

I can not begin to imagine how Serbia is going to win the legal case at the ICJ. From the outset Serbian officials declared that they would never recognize Kosovo regardless of the ICJ outcome. When one side takes such firm positions to the argument then it begs the question why bother asking the opinion of the court since apparently Serbia already made up its mind.

I have always believed that playing a game of all or nothing is always dangerous and that is exactly what Serbian politicians are doing when it comes to Kosovo. Once the ICJ issues its opinion then the game of deliberate procrastinating by Serbia will come to an end. It is mind boggling that Serbia which a couple a years ago was pariah state suddenly declares itself the defender of the international laws.

Serbia can never peacefully again rule Kosovo. This is an established fact confirmed by the international community. Why? What are the causes and effects and is independence the answer? Well this is what ICJ will look at.

Good luck Serbia in getting a favorable oppinion because you are not.

Mr. Tadic's grotesque slogan "Both Kosovo and Europe" has already boiled down to "Neither Kosovo nor Europe."
Who will pay the price for that?

This is Tadic preparing the ground for and if ICJ rules that Kosovo independence was legal - this way they can say to the serbian public "Well, they applied pressure on ICJ".

Serbia stance on this is a complete joke. They are the ones that refered this issue to ICJ while at the same time they declare that they don't fully trust the ability of ICJ to independently rule on this issue. They have also stated that they will only accept the decision of ICJ if it is in Serbia's favour!!

But then again this is consistent with the serbian view that if anybody disagrees with it, then it must be a conspiracy, a lie, paid by albanian mafia et etc.

Pandora's box was not opened by the Albanians -- it was exploded open by that horrible milosevic way back in the 80s. but of course the roots far precede him, and the ugly aftershocks of pandora's explosion are still with us. we just heard one of them from tadic, the "democratic" nationalist leader of the current belgrade regime. he and the rest of that regime are all one note charlies: Kosovo -- Kosovo--Kosovo. no matter how belligerent, how arrogant, how short sighted, how amoral, it is their only note. and a sour one at that, esp. to a global audience instead of the usual domestic consumers.

talk about unceasing pressure: it is the belgrade regime that never and i mean never stops exerting pressure: torturing and tormenting the people of Kosovo/a, and attempting to coerce and threaten the rest of the world: if you agree with us (as you better!) that is correct -- if you side against us, we'll never accept it anyway, and woe is to you and the "stability" of the world. every separatist movement will rise up in total violence, (and we will applaud.) who does this remind us of? some sort of intl terrorist monologue?

tadic at one time may have played the democrat (??) but if that is so it was long ago, and his true and worst nationalist credentials are on display, on the world stage. brought to you by Serbia. a bit scary for those that remember ancient history (the 1990s).

then the underlying threat as others have alluded to: you just try it with "our" holy kosovo, and bosnia is next. i guess kosovo is only so holy as is convenient, and once they get it that it isn't under their colonial domain, they deserve a consolation prize -- another neighbor, bosnia.

but, um, no, you do not get another neighbor. that is why the civilized world had to intervene a few years back, after 100s of thousands dead, and genocide a go go, very belatedly, blood on our hands. old news. but the message finally reached belgrade: yugoslavia is dead, and you ain't imposing serboslavia in return. it just isn't happening.

and to think, all of this time wasted, and so many rich resources, natural and otherwise, thrown into the garbage heap of nationalism, when they could have been channeled into some productive means.

i have frnds living all throughout the former yu -- who cares what their ethnicities are! -- who have lost so much, so many loved ones, so many good years of their lives to this crap. really! enough is enough! intl community, so called, must demand that the blgd regime become civilized; it is the only hope for us, only hope in the balkans.

set a good example, and do not allow the aggressors to succeed.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

There is a little problem here.If the ICJ decides for Serbia how will he then reinstate Serbia's control over Kosovo? By legal and diplomatic means? The Albanians will not accept any kind of negation of their independence and will fight.I cannot envisage Tadic's attempt to resestablish control.Who will help him? If all the countries rescinded their decision then the will of the people there will not accept a reintroduction of Serbian control and you will have a guerilla war.This whole mess cannot be solved by the ICJ unless it confirms Albanian independence leaving Tadic with zero power to change things.
As a Serb the practicalities are impossible for any one to change this without massive bloodshed.Where it a situation of relative parity of peoples then even that would be difficult but this is a no hoper.
The truth is that The International Community has changed borders again like in 1991 by creating another state.Afterwards they will say they were backed up by the ICJ if it goes against Tadic.
The irony is it will somewhat radicalise Bosnia because some will say well if Kosovo can go why not RS .The West will of course say that Kosovo was a special case but pandoras box will be open.If Tadic was hoping for help from the West on this he won't get it.He will be given a place in the EU and told to accept Kosovo independence.
I cannot work Tadic out.He is either naive, incompetent or totally out of his depth.Either way a de jure ICJ announcement for him won't save him because de facto Kosovo is independent and de jure by the USA and others.
He will say he tried and try and save himself.It might have few ramifications in a Serbia seeking Euro gold but for those out there who seem to think one day Serb law will control Kosovo are fantasists irrespective of their emotional committment.
Tadic is fooling all those who write in on Serbia's behalf.In the 1990's would Tudjman have accepted Krajina's loss by focusing on legal and diplomatic means? Yes had he been powerless but he had US support.Tadic is powerless and an extremely poor leader.He appears as a Eurocrat official with zero passion zero patriotism and I feel is aware that it is lost either way.
Which Albanian is fearful about his government in Belgrade?Who really believes he can achieve anything? He apoligises to the Croats who haven't reciprocated his feelings, talks of helping to solve Bosnia by acting as a mediator and welcomes the dreadful anti Serb Biden to Belgrade.
Serbs we have lost Kosovo! Forget your emotional rants..Let us seek the independence of our kith and kin in RS again a basic democratic right.Tadic follows the whole dreadful experience of the post 1945 wilderness Broz Milosevic and now Tadic.

MikeC -If there is any justice and fairness in world politics then Serbia would gets its just deserves for all the suffering it has caused. It's not reasonable that a country of Bosnia i Herzegovina should be brutalized by Serbia and Serbs. Rewarded for ethnic cleansing ,murder ,destruction of its neighbors still working towards their demise in Bosnia. Boris Tadić and Dodik just pay cruel game of lip service to it. Boris pretends to be the good upholder of Bosnia and Dodik the grieved party what a sham and a clown act. When their bafoon shenanigans plans play out and undoubtedly fail they go running to each other wondering what happened to their evil ingenius plans. As if any one of IQ of a toddler would buy it as they play out there stupidity and subterfuge. Time is running out for Serbia and Serbs to make just amends. Then you could get Gods favor until then only his righteous judgments. Don't be like the fools who asked Jesus hows my neighbor to justifie them selfs and what they do.

Nik--I have had the same problem with Tadic. What's the deal with him? Clearly, he is running scared by trying to suck up to everyone: the EU, the US, the Chinese, the Russians, business interests, the nationalists, and progressives in the gay movement. What a complete mess. Ironically, he tries to act tough about Kosovo, but only a completely weak person would kowtow to every person and persuasion.

But then I observe Serbia and ask myself: What would I do given the same circumstances? I think it is revealing to look at the recent Gay Pride debacle (and beatings of foreigners) in relation to the foment over Kosovo. Specifically, nothing has changed over the last 8 years. A vigil ante mentality has the upper hand. And, issues such as gay people and Kosovo are obsessive in spite of other, much more significant, worries. I think it is important and reasonable to point out that Dindic was assassinated while trying to be a truly transformative leader.

I say this not to defend, per se, Tadic. I am weary of him. But I also believe people get the leaders they deserve. So maybe the real question is: Is there a silent majority of Serbs who do not care enough to speak up? OR, is this (generally) Serbia?

I agree with others who have said Kosovo is lost. However, it was lost LOING before their declaration a year ago. Even if the ICJ should give it "back," how can that possibly be maintained?

What will be the final tipping point? I believe those that cry Kosovo!, don't want to be part of the EU, and violently hate gay people are on the wrong side of history. I now just wonder how long this will take.

Serbia, through Mr. Tadic, is simply asking the world leaders to adhere to international law, rather than "political" pressures. And yes, no matter develops with the ICJ ruling, Kosovo can never be truly independent without Serbia's consent. All rational thinking people know that it was wrong for K-Albs to unilaterally and illegally to declare independence. Tadic is right when he says that the future for international law will be very unstable if the UDI is upheld- which would mean politics overriding international legitimacy! Every country on earth knows that Kosovo's UDI was a result of what the West wanted, and NOT because of the K-Albs "plights".
As an aside....yesterday's speech at the G-20 Summit by Obama was almost comical when he stressed the need of the US and the international community to follow "international law" in combatting the tactics of Iran's nuclear developments. But is the US abiding by "international law" in the case of Serbia and Kosovo- of course not...especially when only a handful of countries even have diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Kosovo, and its people, will be going nowhere for a very long time....unless it truly negotiates with Serbia for a "bilateral" and not a unilateral status.

ICJ says Kosovo independence is LEGAL:

Well, then Kosovo is a precedent and others will use it. Kurds/Iraq for example.

Big problem for US but also for Russia and China.


ICJ says Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL:

Well, then the West - so much in favor of international law - should unrecognize Kosovo. Will they do that? Probably not...

So the limbo continues!

The losers: everyone! Serbia, the inhabitans of Kosovo, UN, international law!

What a sad affair!

"Tadić added that he believes that the court’s decision will set a strong legal precedent."

What does Tadic really mean "pressure" on ICJ?

The right of each country to decide on international relations whenever it thinks fit?

Can Tadic tell us whether he will accept the court's opinion should it say Kosova's declaration of independence is within international law? Serbia has never said it will to my knowledge. It is just proves that is not about "international law" but all about Serbia's interest.

Challenge me on that!

PS. Serbia is entitled to its opinion as any other independent country.

I have a question for Roberto.

Why do you feel the need to write something resembling war and peace when you post here? I seriously doubt that anyone will actually read your mantra which has no end.
Are you constantly trying to "educate" us on how your version of everything is correct by boring us to tears?

Now for the Albanians who think that Serbia cannot gain political control and physical control of Kosovo I say you could not be more wrong.

All that has to be done is arresting Thaci and his KLA terrorists and other criminals in power and influencial positions there and the people will be free to live their lives normally again. Once these people are out and their reign of terror ends you will see that soon enough most people will just want to get on with their lives in improved living conditions. Everyone is tired of constant meyham there.

Kosovo is a sovereign entity, today!
(Dutch, 27 September 2009 09:39)

You are from Holland? Holland says one of its tasks is working on international law and such.

Well, if Holland recognizes Kosovo it is actually destroying international law! Is that what you want?

1244 is still valid. International law, my friend!

Amazing, or actually not, to see how much anger and hatred is coming out of k-a posters, why, simply because Mr Tadic had the right to speak at the GA...

Good luck to the international justice, good luck to all of us who still want to believe that a justice exists, irrespective of how big or powerfull one is and the hell for the nationalists of either side or etnicity!

mospyt is no position to be lecturing anyone on the English language.

There is no hypocrisy in Serbia's position towards the ICJ. Even if the ICJ rules that Kosovo's declaration was legal, this simply leaves each country with the right, but not the obligation, of recognizing Kosovo's independence. This might lead to a few more recognitions, but it does hardly anything to change the status quo. On the other hand, if the ICJ rules squarely in Serbia's favor, it's back to the negotiating table for Kosovo's Albanians, as their lot cannot possibly improve, and they are best off cutting whatever deal they can, rather than to continue uselessly reiterating their independence.

Odds are that the ICJ will issue some kind of fudge. It can't rule squarely in favor of the Albanians and set the entire international order into a tailspin just for their sake. On the other hand, the ICJ is not likely to say the Serbs were right all along. Unfortunately for the Albanians, they need a clear win, while Serbia, which holds an extant UN resolution in its hands, merely needs a tie.

Mr. Tadic's grotesque slogan "Both Kosovo and Europe" has already boiled down to "Neither Kosovo nor Europe."
Who will pay the price for that?
(Julia Best, 26 September 2009 17:15)

Well, Julia, I think Serbia will join EU. Kosovo will remain under UN control. Kosovo will not join EU as an independent state. Spain and others will never allow that.

So limbo continues!
No EU and UN for Kosovo!

I expect Kosovo to win the ICJ case. Very highly.

The reasons that are I will keep to myself.
Hint: _ Serbs don't let yourselves get duped by your gov't propaganda. Preambles are not biding. ....Goodbye.

There is no political pressure. It's just shows that Serbia is scarred.
Hysterical.

This will be a great victory for Kosovo! Clear and decent win!

The lasting peace in the war-torn Balkans is near.
Take my message seriously:
Serbia's job is to fight for democracy and liberties, not lost fights like Kosovo. Kosovo is a sovereign entity, today!

MikeC,

"If there is any justice and fairness in world politics then Serbia will prevail at the ICJ."

I find it problemic your way of thinkig which in other words means that "Serbia is always right".
It might not be too much of your fault because that is how someone can be brainwashed and believe fanatically in something that is not real.

Read again and again your comment of
"It's not reasonable that a country should be brutalized by the worlds most powerfull military alliance, HATO, only to get part of its internationally recognized territory occupied and raped by America and albanians"

An absolute lie and misinformation.

And will the last one with

"Kosovo je Srbija!" you and those thinking like you "nailed it")))) Upppss)

Where have you been to englighten us?)))

Kosova is Albania...Upssss)))
I am sorry you said it first!)

The current Court list ( see http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1&p2=2&p3=1) does not let me be optimistic about it’s solutions. Last year we could expect 40-50% voices in our favor while this year I can predict about 30-40%. I am far from thinking that the other side will let them vote freely cause de facto they are judging over all the events that has happened in former Yugoslavia since 1999.
One way or another the verdict will be a stance at the Serbian Tragedy as a whole. The US and it’s European allies cannot afford being prosecuted for the crimes they had to commit to destroy the initial UN member. Anyway we can use this tribune to tell the things the West would like to forget. Hopefully Leonid Skotnikov will represent Serbia as good as Vitaly Churkin does.

Finally, his delivery was not great; poor English and bad pronounciation. All in all, not a very impressive performance.
(Mospyt, 26 September 2009 12:59)

I would say that it was rather courageous and a sign of respect to speak in english cause most of them speak in their native language with translation, starting with Napoleon Sarkozy or Merkel...

well, although being no fan of Tadic, I´d say to "Mospyt" that Tadic at least SPEAKS ENGLISH!

this funny figure named Sediu is not even capable of speaking english, so ...how about taking a look on your own socalled "presidents" =)


the comment I liked the most, was from "the Dutch" who in all seriousness wants to sell us how he knows more than others, but only does not want to unveil his superior knowledge...

well, my dear dutch friend, ...I think you unveiled yourself..., more than sufficiently.

Tadic says that world order will cease to exist if ICJ decides in favor of Kosova. Isn't that pressure on ICJ.Perhaps what he meant was Serbia can put pressure , on ICJ,but not others. Furthermore didn't Serbia say it wont abide by a decision it asked for. I wonder if others know about double-speak and bs rhetoric too or is it just serbs.