Jeremić: Chances good at ICJ

ben - You just don't get it. If the ruling goes in Serbia's favour then it will state that Serbia is legally in the right to preserve her own territory and that the UDI was illegal.

If it goes against Serbia, then it will just ratify what has already been done by 60 odd countries; ie. recognition of the UDI. Even that does not necessarily mean that more nations will recognise.

Why on earth in either of these scenarios would Serbia be expected to recognise independence? The 2 issues are unrelated.

Unless Serbia is onboard there will be no peaceful settlement, and this is becoming more and more obvious to the international community who would now love to find a solution which would get them out of the expensive mess they are in.

Kosovo-USA - The US, UK and France will come out with the exact same argument, mainly political, where as China and Russia have a lot of legal substance to their argument.

It is always better to argue when you have a genuine case to support your stance, and while events in 1999 gave some nations the idea that spin could take you anywhere, it won't help in court.

Tadic is meeting with everyone, where as the UK is having problems it seems to get meetings with the big boys (mind you the US is majorly miffed about Lockerbie/ Libya). There is a lot of respect for Serbia standing her ground.

The Serbia-Russia-China argument actually defends the very laws upon which the ICJ and the UN is based. I hope for all of our sakes that the ICJ defends their own structure.

The minister also said he was pleased that the five Security Council member states—China, the U.S., Russia, the UK and France—had agreed to make “verbal submissions” to the ICJ.

I don't understand why Jeremic is so pleased about this!
Three powerfull and democratic countries agains two rouge countries.

'The minister also voiced his satisfaction that, thanks to the efforts of Serbian diplomacy, only 61 states, less than a third of the UN’s 192 member-states, had recognized the province’s independence.'


Serbian diplomacy didn’t stop Kosova from becoming independent. Serbia is years behind from joining the EU thanks to her diplomacy. Yes, you’ve delayed recognitions and with it you damaged ours and your economy. Being destructive isn’t something to be satisfied about.

According to Tanjug: Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic has expressed confidence that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) will decide, in connection with the secession of Kosovo, in favor of the preservation of Serbia's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

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This means Serbia does not believe in internaional justice but only uses and abuses it when it is in their ineterest and completely ignores it when it collides with "state interests" e.g. arrest of Ratko Mladic.

“We’re hopeful. We’re confident of the strength of our legal arguments and it would be hard to impose political views on that court,“
It looks more like someone said to Jeremic and Serbia stop with b.sh.t that some great powers will exercise their political influence over the court.

You cannot drag one to courted and at the same time say well but I know that the court is biased so I will not recognize the ruling of the same court to which I appealed. It is ridiculous and only Serbian diplomacy can do such a thing. I guess someone told them enough is enough: you wanted the bicycle nor ride as Italians would say.

Kate - are you living in some vacuum or in this earth. Serbia is getting a lot of respect and then you rumble how no matter what ICJ rules it doesnt make a difference to Serbia. What are you talking about??? The only respect we get is about Basketball ....

Kosovo is independent - you need a passport to get in there and you can go there at any time unless you committed crimes. Stop wasting your time and move on. Our politicians are focusing on Kosovo and away form our real problems of jobs and better future. That is what I need - I dont need Jeremic wasting our money traveling for absolutely no reason. We never treated Kosovo and its citizens as the Holy Land that we now state it is - otherwise it would not be as under developed as it is. We need a reality check and some real leaders.

It seems like Mr Jeremič has changed the tone, from we win to maybe there is a chance which we all know there is not even a small chance for Serbia to win in the ICJ after the horror it coused in Kosova during and before the war in 1999. hmm

Cheers

"Three powerfull and democratic countries agains two rouge countries."
Kosova-USA

You are so easily duped! You think america is democratic because they themselves say they are? Ask the people in Irak and Afganistan if they think americans are democratic when they are bombing them indiscriminately. Bypassing the UN to attack Serbia/ Irak/Afganistan/Vietnam. Is that democracy? I guess you also believe that Guantanomo was built on democratic values. That is unless you were an inmate. You are nothing but a hypocrite!

Serbian diplomacy didn’t stop Kosova from becoming independent. Serbia is years behind from joining the EU thanks to her diplomacy. Yes, you’ve delayed recognitions and with it you damaged ours and your economy. Being destructive isn’t something to be satisfied about.
(BH_NYC, 25 September 2009 12:34)

thank you, again, bh nyc, and others as well that have shown up the blgd regime as the aggressive and destructive force that it has increasingly become.

the icj will never rule in their favor, that is THeir wish fulfillment, and an evil wish at that. they will never rule that re-colonialization is right and proper, not in this century, and thank god for it.

at any rate, if you even tried it, then "legally" speaking, you'd have to put yugoslavia back together again (yes, like our humpty dumpty) because every entity seceded "illegally", serbia among the most obvious example. so pls spare us all this cont'ing nonsense about UDI's.

as i have said, this gives our side a very special opportunity to spell out, very publicly, what a century under serbian tyranny has been like, and it ain't pretty. there is absolutely no shortage of atrocities committed by successive serbian/ "yugoslav" regimes, and i mean long before slobo was tyranizing that neck of the woods.

one of the least discussed is the use of a poisonous substance against the albanian CHILDREN, throughout cities of kosovo/a, in early 1990. it may have been conveniently forgotten by our nationalist frnds and allies, but not by us. while doing our own research we found quite a bit of evidence, separate and verifiable. it is a cruel irony that this episode, among so many other ugly chapters, has had to take a back seat to so many other even uglier episodes.

my 2 main concerns -- 1--how our argumentation/
documentation will be delivered and used, and 2-- how they (the s nationalists) will react after not winning the case. pretend that have won? (as in 1999) riot extensively? (as, for ex. 2008), or just immediately move on to trying to reclaim parts of ethnically-cleansed bosnia. but we can only speculate.

our curse: we live in interesting times... (tea)stirring times

thank you.

roberto
frisco

EA: "Will Serbia recognise Kosova's independence should tha ICJ rules that Kosova's declaration of independence was legitimate?"

The ICJ ruling will, I'm certain, be in Serbia's favour. But in the scenario that it is not, the declaration of independence is different from the acceptance of independence by Serbia.

ie. If there is a legal UDI it does not mean that non-acceptance by Serbia or other nations is therefore illegal or must automatically follow. It just means that the Pristina govt. didn't break any laws in declaring the UDI.

The far more realistic scenario is that it was an illegal declaration, and the recognisers of independence also therefore acted illegally.

"marko" - do you really think that anyone believes you are Serbian?

Kosovo-USA sorry Kosova.... i think you are misguided, Russia and China are not rouge states, countries like Iran are.

Obama is starting to get cozy with Russia and vice versa. We have already seen the so called missle shield being scrapped. The US needs Russia more than it needs Kosovo, it want its support over Iran.

I dont think the US will reverse its position but it may soften its approach and not push for recognitions. It also wants Serbia into the Europeon fold they see the Serbs as the main player in the Balkans, and sure enough Tadic is going out of his way to prove the yanks right.

The Kosovo story is just a side show there are more graver concerns eg. Irans second Nuke producing plant.

@Kosova-USA and ben
Every so often I visit this forum read news and post a comment or two.. I don’t think I’ve ever been on here that you guys didn’t have several comments on every story published or counter statements. Your negative postings and Serbian hatred is skinning. I is so obvious that you guys don’t have god healthy, normal life. Give it a rest. Take some time off and do something productive for your own good and well being. You guys are trying to hard to be something you not.

It went from:

WE WILL WIN to Chances are good WE MIGHT win.

Kosovo-USA - I assume he means that he's glad that there is such global interest in the case, i.e. everyone understands the ramifications of an emphatic answer one way or the other.

As for democracies, please show me the exact document that the UN has produced which states that elections in Russia and China are not free and fair. And as for your best friend, the US, it's common knowledge now that Bush rigged the election against Al Gore by putting a top Republican judge in charge of deciding whether there should be any recount in the Florida election (a seat held by Bush's brother). If the recount had been allowed, Al Gore would have won and he would have been president, instead the recount was denied and he lost. Money and power rule the US, not democracy - similar to your homeland, Albania, another hell hole of corruption.

A,
what did the Bosnian Ratko Mladic do to deserve being aprehended by Serbia.

He is a Bosnian citizen, just as a Croation, Montenegrin and Macedonian. All of which were provinces of the former Yugoslavia.

So why are the citizens of Serbia being held ransom for other states citizens.

Albania should be held responsible for their contribution to the war in Serbia's province of Kosovo.

“a century under serbian tyranny has been like, and it ain't pretty (roberto, 25 September 2009 21:49)”

For those unfamiliar with the history of the region, Yugoslavia was ruled by a Croatian dictator for close to half this century and Tito could hardly be claimed to be Pro-Serb or he would have at least given Serbs their own autonomous regions in Croatia and Bosnia, like he created in Serbia. His whole policy was based on Strong Yugoslavia\Weak Serbia.

Before Tito came to power, the Serbs suffered horrible genocide in WWII.

What happened in the 90’s when the lid from taken off the Nationalist pot was all the pain and suffering from WWII boiled over and things started exactly as they left off in 1945.

“every entity seceded "illegally", serbia among the most obvious example. so pls spare us all this cont'ing nonsense about UDI's.”

Again, Roberto has no idea of the history of the region. Yugoslav republics did have the right to succeed under the constitution, autonomous regions did not. The UN even formed a committee on the independence question of these republics, it was not a UDI, these states were recognized by the UN and got seats in that organization. I’d like to add that Montenegro and Serbia split in a very legal fashion set out in the constitution of their union.

What Roberto won’t tell you is that Croatia and Slovenia left partly because they were tired of subsidizing Kosovo and having the money leave their Republic. More money from the Yugoslav State went into Kosovo, than came out of it. Hardly sounds like they were being taken advantage of or stolen from.

“one of the least discussed is the use of a poisonous substance against the albanian CHILDREN, throughout cities of kosovo/a, in early 1990.”

Roberto here is referring to the food poisoning rumors at schools in Kosovo, complete nonsense, like his other history he proclaims, he doesn’t even know what the details are.

Roberto is getting desperate, making up history from whole cloth. He either possesses an extremely limited understanding of the region, or he’s simply lying and engaging in the worst kind of propaganda and racism.

Russia recognizes Akbhazia and Ossetia. How's going to be Russia's excuse ?

I can't wait for the verdict Calls for Serbia to recognize Kosovo are going to grow massively starting from its own citizens and the rest.

O poor Jeremic, you are playing your last lost card.

You should be more honest to your people and tell the complete truth, that KOSOVO is HISTORY, by laying the blame on the previous terrorist government.

You know pretty sure as we all know that the final ICJ judgment will be vague/ambigous and each will reserve the right to celebrate this event as a victory.

So welcome to self amusement.

Jeremić: Chances good at ICJ

Chances? We are not playing a slot machine Mr. Jeremic!

"The minister also said he was pleased that the five Security Council member states—China, the U.S., Russia, the UK and France—had agreed to make “verbal submissions” to the ICJ."

You are pleased with what the USA, France, and Great Britain have to say!

Jeremic is the biggest puppet in the Balkans. Why is he still in power. One of these days the teleprompter will turn off and then what?

Jeremic needs out ASAP!

Kate,

Let me shoot down with one question your nonsense comment.

Will Serbia recognise Kosova's independence should tha ICJ rules that Kosova's declaration of independence was legitimate?

Just to help you out with your answer Tadic has declared once again in UN that Serbia will never recognise Kosovo/a independence.

I think it is not about ICJ opinion....) Are you getting my point?

Hey Mr minister still one is more and better of having no one maybe you will slow it down but you have to tell your fellow Serbian ,Kosovo it will never be a part of Serbia and that is for sure..so just waisting a Serbian TAXPAYER MONEY what a shame

Kate is simply reiterating Ben's claim...

"Unless Serbia is onboard there will be no peaceful settlement, and this is becoming more and more obvious to the international community"

In other words, no matter what any court says, Serbia will not agree with the ruling unless it is a ruling in her favor.

“We’ve stressed that there’s no point outlining our position before the ICJ gives its ruling,”

Why not, if the chances are so good?What are the chances that ICJ rules on Albanians favor or gives an opinion that is in between? You Mr.Jeremic will be asked to do what you are preaching now.Respect the international law.Be careful what you are wishing for.

I just don't understand that all Serbs calle it UDI. Actually it was CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence). The coordination was done with most democratic and powerfull countries of this planet called EARTH.

Kate--Let's say you are right and the ICJ defends Serbia's sovereignty and does not allow Kosovo to be independent.

Considering that 90% or more of Kosovo is Albanian/Muslim and deeply committed in NOT being part of Serbia any longer (to the point of death), how do you see this playing out.

Specifically, Serbia "wins" and has Kosovo "back." The EU and US say fine. Then what?

Unless Serbia is onboard there will be no peaceful settlement, and this is becoming more and more obvious to the international community who would now love to find a solution which would get them out of the expensive mess they are in.
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Why do you think Albania and Croatia joined NATO? To keep the peace. Even Montenegro will make the next step toward NATO this year. Peace is assured.

Now Serbia must apologize for what they did, pay reparations, and recognize or kiss EU dreams goodbye.

I don't understand what is Serbia trying to achieve ultimately.
Annoying Albanians? Oh....Yes! Any chance of return of Kosova back to Serbia? Everyone with a bit of brain know that the answer is No!

well, I won´t speculate about the "chances" when the legal aspects are very clear and undeniable.

as for "kosovari":

are you really THAT desperate to interprete sentences in the way you do it?
it certainly did not go from "we will win" to "we might..."

but if you prefer to see it that way, you´re free to enjoy your wishful thinking.

as for "roberto" from "frisco" =)

my dear, no matter where you are residing, writing about "a century of serbian tyranny" shows what or who you really are.

by the way, what is it you are taking before writing such a nonsense?

remember, the Serbs brought electricity and clear water when they liberated their ancestral land from the ottomans...

so, perhaps you really live somewhere very far away from Serbia, when you are writing about tyranny...

or, you are just working on your personal antipathy against the Serbs?

whatever it is, your "arguments" were never weaker, my friend.

seems like desperation comes through this facade of an "american" "intelectual"...

Mendo,
"It seems like Mr Jeremič has changed the tone, from we win to maybe there is a chance"
No actually he changed from 'it will be extremely difficult' to 'the chances are good'.

wether you like it or not mr. Jeremic is a serious politician : everything he predicted last year or two turned out to be just exactly so.
Of course nobody can predict 100% whats going to happen. But he seems to be getting some positive vibes from somewhere...

I forgot to include this passage to:

"The Belgrade government will not recognize Kosovo, at any cost, even in the event that the decision is in favor of Pristina, Jeremic pointed out, as long as a democratic order based on the Serbian Constitution is in effect in this country."

Kate,

Thanks for your "reply"

"ie.
If there is a legal UDI it does not mean that non-acceptance by Serbia or other nations is therefore illegal or must automatically follow. It just means that the Pristina govt. didn't break any laws in declaring the UDI."

Your "answer" mean "playing with words".

When people/polititians play with words it means that they have NO REAL ARGUMENTS.

I already know that Serbia has never and will never respect any Court's Opinio should it go against Serbia's expectatins. Why on earth should Kosova accept something that can go against its interest?
Just a quick reminder that it was Serbia whom approached the ICJ and that was purely to gain some time and refrain further recognitions.

yes Mendo i agree will you and serbia is really ignoring the fact that war didn't happen 50 or 100 years ago but ten years ago and people still recovering from that HORROR...

"In other words, no matter what any court says, Serbia will not agree with the ruling unless it is a ruling in her favor."
(Fluid, 25 September 2009 19:27)

Kind of like what the Albanians have said from the beginning.

All we've heard from Albanians since Serbia got the goahead to take it to court is "it is only an advisory thing, we don't have to and will not take notice of it".

Why do you condemn Serbia for saying that they will not recognise Kosovo no matter what ICJ rules (since they don't have to) when you have stated exactly the same over and over?

Why do you condemn Serbia for saying that they will not recognise Kosovo no matter what ICJ rules (since they don't have to) when you have stated exactly the same over and over?
(Peggy, 28 September 2009 01:38)

Kosovo did not ask for the issue to be taken to the ICJ. SERBIA DID !

If you continue ignoring this key fact, any commenting is useles.

The international court is between a rock and a hard place. If it rules that Kosovo has a right to break away then dozens of other groups can openly seek "self determination", such as the Basque in Spain and France.

If it does not rule in favour of separation then the EU/US and going to look like fools and if they ignore the ruling as I think they will then good luck Barak Obama in improving your country's reputation - only the Americans are capable of shooting themselves in the foot on the world stage.

The minister also said he was pleased that the five Security Council member states—China, the U.S., Russia, the UK and France—had agreed to make “verbal submissions” to the ICJ.

I don't understand why Jeremic is so pleased about this!
Three powerfull and democratic countries agains two rouge countries.

'The minister also voiced his satisfaction that, thanks to the efforts of Serbian diplomacy, only 61 states, less than a third of the UN’s 192 member-states, had recognized the province’s independence.'


Serbian diplomacy didn’t stop Kosova from becoming independent. Serbia is years behind from joining the EU thanks to her diplomacy. Yes, you’ve delayed recognitions and with it you damaged ours and your economy. Being destructive isn’t something to be satisfied about.

According to Tanjug: Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic has expressed confidence that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) will decide, in connection with the secession of Kosovo, in favor of the preservation of Serbia's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

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This means Serbia does not believe in internaional justice but only uses and abuses it when it is in their ineterest and completely ignores it when it collides with "state interests" e.g. arrest of Ratko Mladic.

ben - You just don't get it. If the ruling goes in Serbia's favour then it will state that Serbia is legally in the right to preserve her own territory and that the UDI was illegal.

If it goes against Serbia, then it will just ratify what has already been done by 60 odd countries; ie. recognition of the UDI. Even that does not necessarily mean that more nations will recognise.

Why on earth in either of these scenarios would Serbia be expected to recognise independence? The 2 issues are unrelated.

Unless Serbia is onboard there will be no peaceful settlement, and this is becoming more and more obvious to the international community who would now love to find a solution which would get them out of the expensive mess they are in.

Kosovo-USA - The US, UK and France will come out with the exact same argument, mainly political, where as China and Russia have a lot of legal substance to their argument.

It is always better to argue when you have a genuine case to support your stance, and while events in 1999 gave some nations the idea that spin could take you anywhere, it won't help in court.

Tadic is meeting with everyone, where as the UK is having problems it seems to get meetings with the big boys (mind you the US is majorly miffed about Lockerbie/ Libya). There is a lot of respect for Serbia standing her ground.

The Serbia-Russia-China argument actually defends the very laws upon which the ICJ and the UN is based. I hope for all of our sakes that the ICJ defends their own structure.

“We’re hopeful. We’re confident of the strength of our legal arguments and it would be hard to impose political views on that court,“
It looks more like someone said to Jeremic and Serbia stop with b.sh.t that some great powers will exercise their political influence over the court.

You cannot drag one to courted and at the same time say well but I know that the court is biased so I will not recognize the ruling of the same court to which I appealed. It is ridiculous and only Serbian diplomacy can do such a thing. I guess someone told them enough is enough: you wanted the bicycle nor ride as Italians would say.

Serbian diplomacy didn’t stop Kosova from becoming independent. Serbia is years behind from joining the EU thanks to her diplomacy. Yes, you’ve delayed recognitions and with it you damaged ours and your economy. Being destructive isn’t something to be satisfied about.
(BH_NYC, 25 September 2009 12:34)

thank you, again, bh nyc, and others as well that have shown up the blgd regime as the aggressive and destructive force that it has increasingly become.

the icj will never rule in their favor, that is THeir wish fulfillment, and an evil wish at that. they will never rule that re-colonialization is right and proper, not in this century, and thank god for it.

at any rate, if you even tried it, then "legally" speaking, you'd have to put yugoslavia back together again (yes, like our humpty dumpty) because every entity seceded "illegally", serbia among the most obvious example. so pls spare us all this cont'ing nonsense about UDI's.

as i have said, this gives our side a very special opportunity to spell out, very publicly, what a century under serbian tyranny has been like, and it ain't pretty. there is absolutely no shortage of atrocities committed by successive serbian/ "yugoslav" regimes, and i mean long before slobo was tyranizing that neck of the woods.

one of the least discussed is the use of a poisonous substance against the albanian CHILDREN, throughout cities of kosovo/a, in early 1990. it may have been conveniently forgotten by our nationalist frnds and allies, but not by us. while doing our own research we found quite a bit of evidence, separate and verifiable. it is a cruel irony that this episode, among so many other ugly chapters, has had to take a back seat to so many other even uglier episodes.

my 2 main concerns -- 1--how our argumentation/
documentation will be delivered and used, and 2-- how they (the s nationalists) will react after not winning the case. pretend that have won? (as in 1999) riot extensively? (as, for ex. 2008), or just immediately move on to trying to reclaim parts of ethnically-cleansed bosnia. but we can only speculate.

our curse: we live in interesting times... (tea)stirring times

thank you.

roberto
frisco

It went from:

WE WILL WIN to Chances are good WE MIGHT win.

EA: "Will Serbia recognise Kosova's independence should tha ICJ rules that Kosova's declaration of independence was legitimate?"

The ICJ ruling will, I'm certain, be in Serbia's favour. But in the scenario that it is not, the declaration of independence is different from the acceptance of independence by Serbia.

ie. If there is a legal UDI it does not mean that non-acceptance by Serbia or other nations is therefore illegal or must automatically follow. It just means that the Pristina govt. didn't break any laws in declaring the UDI.

The far more realistic scenario is that it was an illegal declaration, and the recognisers of independence also therefore acted illegally.

"marko" - do you really think that anyone believes you are Serbian?

I just don't understand that all Serbs calle it UDI. Actually it was CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence). The coordination was done with most democratic and powerfull countries of this planet called EARTH.

Unless Serbia is onboard there will be no peaceful settlement, and this is becoming more and more obvious to the international community who would now love to find a solution which would get them out of the expensive mess they are in.
----
Why do you think Albania and Croatia joined NATO? To keep the peace. Even Montenegro will make the next step toward NATO this year. Peace is assured.

Now Serbia must apologize for what they did, pay reparations, and recognize or kiss EU dreams goodbye.

I don't understand what is Serbia trying to achieve ultimately.
Annoying Albanians? Oh....Yes! Any chance of return of Kosova back to Serbia? Everyone with a bit of brain know that the answer is No!

Hey Mr minister still one is more and better of having no one maybe you will slow it down but you have to tell your fellow Serbian ,Kosovo it will never be a part of Serbia and that is for sure..so just waisting a Serbian TAXPAYER MONEY what a shame

Kate - are you living in some vacuum or in this earth. Serbia is getting a lot of respect and then you rumble how no matter what ICJ rules it doesnt make a difference to Serbia. What are you talking about??? The only respect we get is about Basketball ....

Kosovo is independent - you need a passport to get in there and you can go there at any time unless you committed crimes. Stop wasting your time and move on. Our politicians are focusing on Kosovo and away form our real problems of jobs and better future. That is what I need - I dont need Jeremic wasting our money traveling for absolutely no reason. We never treated Kosovo and its citizens as the Holy Land that we now state it is - otherwise it would not be as under developed as it is. We need a reality check and some real leaders.

well, I won´t speculate about the "chances" when the legal aspects are very clear and undeniable.

as for "kosovari":

are you really THAT desperate to interprete sentences in the way you do it?
it certainly did not go from "we will win" to "we might..."

but if you prefer to see it that way, you´re free to enjoy your wishful thinking.

as for "roberto" from "frisco" =)

my dear, no matter where you are residing, writing about "a century of serbian tyranny" shows what or who you really are.

by the way, what is it you are taking before writing such a nonsense?

remember, the Serbs brought electricity and clear water when they liberated their ancestral land from the ottomans...

so, perhaps you really live somewhere very far away from Serbia, when you are writing about tyranny...

or, you are just working on your personal antipathy against the Serbs?

whatever it is, your "arguments" were never weaker, my friend.

seems like desperation comes through this facade of an "american" "intelectual"...

“a century under serbian tyranny has been like, and it ain't pretty (roberto, 25 September 2009 21:49)”

For those unfamiliar with the history of the region, Yugoslavia was ruled by a Croatian dictator for close to half this century and Tito could hardly be claimed to be Pro-Serb or he would have at least given Serbs their own autonomous regions in Croatia and Bosnia, like he created in Serbia. His whole policy was based on Strong Yugoslavia\Weak Serbia.

Before Tito came to power, the Serbs suffered horrible genocide in WWII.

What happened in the 90’s when the lid from taken off the Nationalist pot was all the pain and suffering from WWII boiled over and things started exactly as they left off in 1945.

“every entity seceded "illegally", serbia among the most obvious example. so pls spare us all this cont'ing nonsense about UDI's.”

Again, Roberto has no idea of the history of the region. Yugoslav republics did have the right to succeed under the constitution, autonomous regions did not. The UN even formed a committee on the independence question of these republics, it was not a UDI, these states were recognized by the UN and got seats in that organization. I’d like to add that Montenegro and Serbia split in a very legal fashion set out in the constitution of their union.

What Roberto won’t tell you is that Croatia and Slovenia left partly because they were tired of subsidizing Kosovo and having the money leave their Republic. More money from the Yugoslav State went into Kosovo, than came out of it. Hardly sounds like they were being taken advantage of or stolen from.

“one of the least discussed is the use of a poisonous substance against the albanian CHILDREN, throughout cities of kosovo/a, in early 1990.”

Roberto here is referring to the food poisoning rumors at schools in Kosovo, complete nonsense, like his other history he proclaims, he doesn’t even know what the details are.

Roberto is getting desperate, making up history from whole cloth. He either possesses an extremely limited understanding of the region, or he’s simply lying and engaging in the worst kind of propaganda and racism.

O poor Jeremic, you are playing your last lost card.

You should be more honest to your people and tell the complete truth, that KOSOVO is HISTORY, by laying the blame on the previous terrorist government.

You know pretty sure as we all know that the final ICJ judgment will be vague/ambigous and each will reserve the right to celebrate this event as a victory.

So welcome to self amusement.

Kate,

Thanks for your "reply"

"ie.
If there is a legal UDI it does not mean that non-acceptance by Serbia or other nations is therefore illegal or must automatically follow. It just means that the Pristina govt. didn't break any laws in declaring the UDI."

Your "answer" mean "playing with words".

When people/polititians play with words it means that they have NO REAL ARGUMENTS.

I already know that Serbia has never and will never respect any Court's Opinio should it go against Serbia's expectatins. Why on earth should Kosova accept something that can go against its interest?
Just a quick reminder that it was Serbia whom approached the ICJ and that was purely to gain some time and refrain further recognitions.

Mendo,
"It seems like Mr Jeremič has changed the tone, from we win to maybe there is a chance"
No actually he changed from 'it will be extremely difficult' to 'the chances are good'.

wether you like it or not mr. Jeremic is a serious politician : everything he predicted last year or two turned out to be just exactly so.
Of course nobody can predict 100% whats going to happen. But he seems to be getting some positive vibes from somewhere...

Kate,

Let me shoot down with one question your nonsense comment.

Will Serbia recognise Kosova's independence should tha ICJ rules that Kosova's declaration of independence was legitimate?

Just to help you out with your answer Tadic has declared once again in UN that Serbia will never recognise Kosovo/a independence.

I think it is not about ICJ opinion....) Are you getting my point?

A,
what did the Bosnian Ratko Mladic do to deserve being aprehended by Serbia.

He is a Bosnian citizen, just as a Croation, Montenegrin and Macedonian. All of which were provinces of the former Yugoslavia.

So why are the citizens of Serbia being held ransom for other states citizens.

Albania should be held responsible for their contribution to the war in Serbia's province of Kosovo.

I forgot to include this passage to:

"The Belgrade government will not recognize Kosovo, at any cost, even in the event that the decision is in favor of Pristina, Jeremic pointed out, as long as a democratic order based on the Serbian Constitution is in effect in this country."

Jeremić: Chances good at ICJ

Chances? We are not playing a slot machine Mr. Jeremic!

"The minister also said he was pleased that the five Security Council member states—China, the U.S., Russia, the UK and France—had agreed to make “verbal submissions” to the ICJ."

You are pleased with what the USA, France, and Great Britain have to say!

Jeremic is the biggest puppet in the Balkans. Why is he still in power. One of these days the teleprompter will turn off and then what?

Jeremic needs out ASAP!

“We’ve stressed that there’s no point outlining our position before the ICJ gives its ruling,”

Why not, if the chances are so good?What are the chances that ICJ rules on Albanians favor or gives an opinion that is in between? You Mr.Jeremic will be asked to do what you are preaching now.Respect the international law.Be careful what you are wishing for.

It seems like Mr Jeremič has changed the tone, from we win to maybe there is a chance which we all know there is not even a small chance for Serbia to win in the ICJ after the horror it coused in Kosova during and before the war in 1999. hmm

Cheers

Russia recognizes Akbhazia and Ossetia. How's going to be Russia's excuse ?

I can't wait for the verdict Calls for Serbia to recognize Kosovo are going to grow massively starting from its own citizens and the rest.

"In other words, no matter what any court says, Serbia will not agree with the ruling unless it is a ruling in her favor."
(Fluid, 25 September 2009 19:27)

Kind of like what the Albanians have said from the beginning.

All we've heard from Albanians since Serbia got the goahead to take it to court is "it is only an advisory thing, we don't have to and will not take notice of it".

Why do you condemn Serbia for saying that they will not recognise Kosovo no matter what ICJ rules (since they don't have to) when you have stated exactly the same over and over?

Kosovo-USA - I assume he means that he's glad that there is such global interest in the case, i.e. everyone understands the ramifications of an emphatic answer one way or the other.

As for democracies, please show me the exact document that the UN has produced which states that elections in Russia and China are not free and fair. And as for your best friend, the US, it's common knowledge now that Bush rigged the election against Al Gore by putting a top Republican judge in charge of deciding whether there should be any recount in the Florida election (a seat held by Bush's brother). If the recount had been allowed, Al Gore would have won and he would have been president, instead the recount was denied and he lost. Money and power rule the US, not democracy - similar to your homeland, Albania, another hell hole of corruption.

"Three powerfull and democratic countries agains two rouge countries."
Kosova-USA

You are so easily duped! You think america is democratic because they themselves say they are? Ask the people in Irak and Afganistan if they think americans are democratic when they are bombing them indiscriminately. Bypassing the UN to attack Serbia/ Irak/Afganistan/Vietnam. Is that democracy? I guess you also believe that Guantanomo was built on democratic values. That is unless you were an inmate. You are nothing but a hypocrite!

Kosovo-USA sorry Kosova.... i think you are misguided, Russia and China are not rouge states, countries like Iran are.

Obama is starting to get cozy with Russia and vice versa. We have already seen the so called missle shield being scrapped. The US needs Russia more than it needs Kosovo, it want its support over Iran.

I dont think the US will reverse its position but it may soften its approach and not push for recognitions. It also wants Serbia into the Europeon fold they see the Serbs as the main player in the Balkans, and sure enough Tadic is going out of his way to prove the yanks right.

The Kosovo story is just a side show there are more graver concerns eg. Irans second Nuke producing plant.

@Kosova-USA and ben
Every so often I visit this forum read news and post a comment or two.. I don’t think I’ve ever been on here that you guys didn’t have several comments on every story published or counter statements. Your negative postings and Serbian hatred is skinning. I is so obvious that you guys don’t have god healthy, normal life. Give it a rest. Take some time off and do something productive for your own good and well being. You guys are trying to hard to be something you not.

Kate--Let's say you are right and the ICJ defends Serbia's sovereignty and does not allow Kosovo to be independent.

Considering that 90% or more of Kosovo is Albanian/Muslim and deeply committed in NOT being part of Serbia any longer (to the point of death), how do you see this playing out.

Specifically, Serbia "wins" and has Kosovo "back." The EU and US say fine. Then what?

The international court is between a rock and a hard place. If it rules that Kosovo has a right to break away then dozens of other groups can openly seek "self determination", such as the Basque in Spain and France.

If it does not rule in favour of separation then the EU/US and going to look like fools and if they ignore the ruling as I think they will then good luck Barak Obama in improving your country's reputation - only the Americans are capable of shooting themselves in the foot on the world stage.

Kate is simply reiterating Ben's claim...

"Unless Serbia is onboard there will be no peaceful settlement, and this is becoming more and more obvious to the international community"

In other words, no matter what any court says, Serbia will not agree with the ruling unless it is a ruling in her favor.

yes Mendo i agree will you and serbia is really ignoring the fact that war didn't happen 50 or 100 years ago but ten years ago and people still recovering from that HORROR...

Why do you condemn Serbia for saying that they will not recognise Kosovo no matter what ICJ rules (since they don't have to) when you have stated exactly the same over and over?
(Peggy, 28 September 2009 01:38)

Kosovo did not ask for the issue to be taken to the ICJ. SERBIA DID !

If you continue ignoring this key fact, any commenting is useles.