Weapons uncovered at house of 1389 member

This is probably going to backfire in the governments face. Obraz and 1389 are getting a lot of unnecessary attention. Attempting to ban such groups is likely to make them even more determined and hardcore.

Maybe the prosecutor should go and visit Texas to promote this idea of banning groups who "advocated xenophobia, homophobia and the expulsion of all those of a different faith, ethnicity and religion." On his way there he might even want to stop over at the Vatican to address the issue of homophobia.

We may have problems with a few individuals but the US has that problem with some of its states. All this looks like a political showdown between Otpor and Obraz.

“For all organizations found to be extremist and ultra right-wing, which jeopardize citizens’ rights guaranteed by the Constitution and international conventions, we’ll seek their prohibition,” said Radovanović.

Look no further than your own govermant.

I don't condone the message this group says or stands for, but you it is their belief.
Like Zoran was implying....
The USA didn't ban the KKK and they still exist today. There are many other groups as well.

Serbia thinks they are doing the right thing, but actually are taking a step back. By repressing this group you are only throwing more gasoline on the fire.

What happened to that Pride parade? Reading some of these articles the last few weeks it seems like Tito is back!

Not a showdown between a group that doesn't exist any more and another.

Rather an attempt to water down legislation against far right wing groups by the political parties of the right and their supporters.

On the streets of Belgrade it is those right wing groups that are feared and we have all witnessed it, whether at the kosovo rally or elsewhere. And it is all tied in with football hooliganism.

kosovo-usa . you really have to be the most boring and predictable person know to mankind . please seek an education or grow up . either will do .

I'm pretty sure this incidfent will be exagerrated.

In july, Ivo Djukanovic in Novi Sad was arrested with a huge amount of weapons found in his apartment. His wife was some provincial government official. But no one then made calls to banning sPO, the aprty he had conenctions too [and based on previous views and actions of members, could be viewed as extremits].

Anyways. I'm pretty sure the prosecutors will screw this initiative up.

If they;re going against Obraz and 1389, they should also go after the Anarcho-Syndicalist Initiative whose members have been arrested for the attack on the Greek embassy.

Also. Zoran, there is no battle between Obraz and Otpor. Otpor is none existant. It's members have gone into NGOs, government and it's prime activists are more concerned with spreading the Otpor method to other countries (i.e. Moldova being the most significant one).

Kosovo USA. Look no further than you own face.

the point is that Serbia is a secular state - in a secular state we have no undue religious influence - in the usa americans are helpless in the face of the crimes of the government (nato bombing etc)and americans need not give moral lessons to anyone - powerless over their democratically elected representatives, the americans sit idly by - however, serbia is not texas and not the vatican - it is a traditionally open society, and obraz and 1389 represent no one but a bunch of cranks - those who speak in the name of serbia and the orthodox church are usually from outside serbia proper and recently born again orthodox - the separation between church and statee has long been honored by orthodoxy - here in the bastion of the democracy, the good ol' usa - the Right has always had its hate speech protected because that's free speech - where the Left is always treated as being biased! However, it is an old argument that civil rights are not the same as the class struggle - america - a very right wing country has always prided itself on "rights" - this does not mean the right to not be bombed by america!

It's members have gone into NGOs, government and it's prime activists are more concerned with spreading the Otpor method to other countries (i.e. Moldova being the most significant one).
(Yaroslav, 25 September 2009 18:44)
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As far as I'm concerned, Otpor and its influences still exist. As you mentioned, it is within Tadic's government, NGOs and interfering in internal affairs of other countries while still following the agenda of the US and NATO.

However, because they are now in power there is no purpose for it to be a resistance movement. Obraz and 1389 have taken its place, which is a threat to Otpor so these people are looking at ways to remove them. It simply won't happen and this government is showing immaturity.

It is important to respect their freedoms however much you disagree with their views. We have laws in place to deal with crime. Hooliganism was widespread even within Otpor so this really is a political issue that is likely to get messy.

Cracking down on crime is fine but banning legitimate opposition is a recipe for disaster. If this government did not follow NATO's agenda so much then groups like this would not gather as much influence.

“For all organizations found to be extremist and ultra right-wing, which jeopardize citizens’ rights guaranteed by the Constitution and international conventions, we’ll seek their prohibition,” said Radovanović.

Look no further than your own govermant.

This is probably going to backfire in the governments face. Obraz and 1389 are getting a lot of unnecessary attention. Attempting to ban such groups is likely to make them even more determined and hardcore.

Maybe the prosecutor should go and visit Texas to promote this idea of banning groups who "advocated xenophobia, homophobia and the expulsion of all those of a different faith, ethnicity and religion." On his way there he might even want to stop over at the Vatican to address the issue of homophobia.

We may have problems with a few individuals but the US has that problem with some of its states. All this looks like a political showdown between Otpor and Obraz.

Kosovo USA. Look no further than you own face.

It's members have gone into NGOs, government and it's prime activists are more concerned with spreading the Otpor method to other countries (i.e. Moldova being the most significant one).
(Yaroslav, 25 September 2009 18:44)
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As far as I'm concerned, Otpor and its influences still exist. As you mentioned, it is within Tadic's government, NGOs and interfering in internal affairs of other countries while still following the agenda of the US and NATO.

However, because they are now in power there is no purpose for it to be a resistance movement. Obraz and 1389 have taken its place, which is a threat to Otpor so these people are looking at ways to remove them. It simply won't happen and this government is showing immaturity.

It is important to respect their freedoms however much you disagree with their views. We have laws in place to deal with crime. Hooliganism was widespread even within Otpor so this really is a political issue that is likely to get messy.

Cracking down on crime is fine but banning legitimate opposition is a recipe for disaster. If this government did not follow NATO's agenda so much then groups like this would not gather as much influence.

the point is that Serbia is a secular state - in a secular state we have no undue religious influence - in the usa americans are helpless in the face of the crimes of the government (nato bombing etc)and americans need not give moral lessons to anyone - powerless over their democratically elected representatives, the americans sit idly by - however, serbia is not texas and not the vatican - it is a traditionally open society, and obraz and 1389 represent no one but a bunch of cranks - those who speak in the name of serbia and the orthodox church are usually from outside serbia proper and recently born again orthodox - the separation between church and statee has long been honored by orthodoxy - here in the bastion of the democracy, the good ol' usa - the Right has always had its hate speech protected because that's free speech - where the Left is always treated as being biased! However, it is an old argument that civil rights are not the same as the class struggle - america - a very right wing country has always prided itself on "rights" - this does not mean the right to not be bombed by america!

kosovo-usa . you really have to be the most boring and predictable person know to mankind . please seek an education or grow up . either will do .

Not a showdown between a group that doesn't exist any more and another.

Rather an attempt to water down legislation against far right wing groups by the political parties of the right and their supporters.

On the streets of Belgrade it is those right wing groups that are feared and we have all witnessed it, whether at the kosovo rally or elsewhere. And it is all tied in with football hooliganism.

I'm pretty sure this incidfent will be exagerrated.

In july, Ivo Djukanovic in Novi Sad was arrested with a huge amount of weapons found in his apartment. His wife was some provincial government official. But no one then made calls to banning sPO, the aprty he had conenctions too [and based on previous views and actions of members, could be viewed as extremits].

Anyways. I'm pretty sure the prosecutors will screw this initiative up.

If they;re going against Obraz and 1389, they should also go after the Anarcho-Syndicalist Initiative whose members have been arrested for the attack on the Greek embassy.

Also. Zoran, there is no battle between Obraz and Otpor. Otpor is none existant. It's members have gone into NGOs, government and it's prime activists are more concerned with spreading the Otpor method to other countries (i.e. Moldova being the most significant one).

I don't condone the message this group says or stands for, but you it is their belief.
Like Zoran was implying....
The USA didn't ban the KKK and they still exist today. There are many other groups as well.

Serbia thinks they are doing the right thing, but actually are taking a step back. By repressing this group you are only throwing more gasoline on the fire.

What happened to that Pride parade? Reading some of these articles the last few weeks it seems like Tito is back!