You are represented by a state and institutions (army, police etc) which have signed all war agreements of the civlizied world, at least try to act like you belong to it.
(Denis, 23 September 2009 18:05)
You right on this, but you also know that nowadays (as I writte) nobody cares about any agreement signed.
How many times the Geneva convention was and still is being ignored.
But yes, the famous "collateral damage" only applies to the powers of this world...
The rules of the game? The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war
(Denis, 23 September 2009 18:05)
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They were trying to come to Kosova to help out their fellow brothers but they were called to Serbia for questioning before they saw a gun.
(KOSOVARi, 23 September 2009 17:49)
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These 3 brothers were in Serbia to kill Serbs, plain and simple. Were Serb prisoners taken captive by the KLA ever released, or were they tortured and had their organs removed before they were killed?
(svojgazda, 23 September 2009 16:42)
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They engaged willingly in the war, unlike thousands of conscripts who had no choice.
(kate, 23 September 2009 12:14)
I do not know, where the assumptions of all of you are coming from. Wiki is not the deepest well of knowledge, but it is at least factual to a good degree.
Technically they were not prisoners of the war because there was no war anymore.
They were caught violating a bureaucratic procedure (border crossing without visa).
I did witness that Ukrainian citizen without visa and/or hotel vaucher was removed from the train in Subotica. He was not a member of UCK, hence the Serbs just deported him with the next train back and told not to show up without either vaucher or visa next time.
For (past) UCK member from abroad the procedure is the same, except as we know they can get some sentence. It's not even "prisoner of the war".
In the case of Bytyqi brothers they did help a Serbian family while violating the border procedure.
The involved Serbs (Miroslav Mitrovic) obviously did testify on trial on behalf of Bytyqi and hence the very mild (15 day) sentence.
Under normal circumstances the case would end there and there would be nothing heroic and nothing tragic.
What happened after that was 100% abnormal and very big crime.
All what we know about Bytyqi is that they did beat their chest going to fight Serbs and landed up helping Miroslav Mitrovic with his family move from Prizren to Kraljevo. They spent their time with Mitrovic family instead of fighting.
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I am appalled by this sentence. Evidence is very clear that the Serbian state was involved in this crime against, innocent Albanians being in their custody. Knowing the background for this case and readin the judgment from this court, I am 110 % convinced that Serbian War Crimes Court is created to white wash Serbian state war crimes against Albanians and others.
(A, 23 September 2009 10:46)
I did not read the evidence and I do not know what to say. It is clear that SOME representatives of Serbian state were involved in this crime. For instance, we should appreciate the judge who gave the very mild (15 days) sentence for what would be probably a waterboarding experience under Bush. It is not her/his (judge) fault, the sentence turned out to be a death sentence because of some criminals in the MUP.
But in the case from yesterday I, too, believe it's a cover-up to cover the a**s of some pretty dangerous fat cats who are running some part of the MUP. Probably the judge was afraid of own well-being.
Now it's your turn to tell the truth - isn't KPS full of some corrupt fat cats who once were part of MUP, than took advantage of the situation, "re-discovered" to be Albanians and committed some ugly crimes against Serbs. And precisely like in Belgrade yesterday, so is in Pristina, too: no judge would sentence these criminals to anything because either Zemun Clan or Drenica Clan will come and do some unholy thing to the judge and his family.
"The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war, not animals to be slaughtered by the Serbian butchers"
Denis
At least they didn't have their organs removed to be sold in the arab world. And their bodies were returned for burial. What abot all those Serbs taken to Albania? They will probably never rest in peace. These men were tried in court and set free. End of story! At least Serbia tries. How many or their own people have Croatia, Bosnian/Croat federation and Kosovo tried for war crimes against Serbs? Zero!
I'm happy to see these Serb men free! The albanian brothers that died were mercenaries and knew the rules of the game. Can not believe albanians are defending these uck terrorists and whining about injustice.
(MikeC, 23 September 2009 13:41)
But of course you are happy to see there mass grave diggers free. Aren't they the best serbian patriots ever?
The rules of the game? The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war, not animals to be slaughtered by the Serbian butchers. And yes they were albanian heros who went to fight against Serbian terror and repression in Kosovo.
You are represented by a state and institutions (army, police etc) which have signed all war agreements of the civlizied world, at least try to act like you belong to it.
They were trying to come to Kosova to help out their fellow brothers but they were called to Serbia for questioning before they saw a gun. They were shot at point blank somewhere in Serbia proper by officers for their own pleasure.
PERHAPS we should charge all 100k in Kosova with some BS CRIME and shoot them all...since at one point they intended to kill non-Serbs.
Why this case is still in the news, is beyond me. These 3 brothers were in Serbia to kill Serbs, plain and simple. Were Serb prisoners taken captive by the KLA ever released, or were they tortured and had their organs removed before they were killed?
I'm happy to see these Serb men free! The albanian brothers that died were mercenaries and knew the rules of the game. Can not believe albanians are defending these uck terrorists and whining about injustice.
This was clearly a war crime and without knowing the details I do not know who is guilty.
But these guys went to Kosovo to fight, not as tourists. While the way they were killed was most certainly a war crime, they were combatants not civilians.
They engaged willingly in the war, unlike thousands of conscripts who had no choice.
I am appalled by this sentence. Evidence is very clear that the Serbian state was involved in this crime against, innocent Albanians being in their custody. Knowing the background for this case and readin the judgment from this court, I am 110 % convinced that Serbian War Crimes Court is created to white wash Serbian state war crimes against Albanians and others.
“It was noticed earlier that in cases involving police officers, there is a so-called silent conspiracy. Other police officers and witnesses do not want to point the finger at their friends,” he said.
It is very hard to beleive you Mr. prosecutor that you don't know who pulled the trigger and who gave the order. Either you were scared or you are in same bed with prepetrators.
I am appalled by this sentence. Evidence is very clear that the Serbian state was involved in this crime against, innocent Albanians being in their custody. Knowing the background for this case and readin the judgment from this court, I am 110 % convinced that Serbian War Crimes Court is created to white wash Serbian state war crimes against Albanians and others.
“It was noticed earlier that in cases involving police officers, there is a so-called silent conspiracy. Other police officers and witnesses do not want to point the finger at their friends,” he said.
It is very hard to beleive you Mr. prosecutor that you don't know who pulled the trigger and who gave the order. Either you were scared or you are in same bed with prepetrators.
I'm happy to see these Serb men free! The albanian brothers that died were mercenaries and knew the rules of the game. Can not believe albanians are defending these uck terrorists and whining about injustice.
Why this case is still in the news, is beyond me. These 3 brothers were in Serbia to kill Serbs, plain and simple. Were Serb prisoners taken captive by the KLA ever released, or were they tortured and had their organs removed before they were killed?
This was clearly a war crime and without knowing the details I do not know who is guilty.
But these guys went to Kosovo to fight, not as tourists. While the way they were killed was most certainly a war crime, they were combatants not civilians.
They engaged willingly in the war, unlike thousands of conscripts who had no choice.
I'm happy to see these Serb men free! The albanian brothers that died were mercenaries and knew the rules of the game. Can not believe albanians are defending these uck terrorists and whining about injustice.
(MikeC, 23 September 2009 13:41)
But of course you are happy to see there mass grave diggers free. Aren't they the best serbian patriots ever?
The rules of the game? The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war, not animals to be slaughtered by the Serbian butchers. And yes they were albanian heros who went to fight against Serbian terror and repression in Kosovo.
You are represented by a state and institutions (army, police etc) which have signed all war agreements of the civlizied world, at least try to act like you belong to it.
"The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war, not animals to be slaughtered by the Serbian butchers"
Denis
At least they didn't have their organs removed to be sold in the arab world. And their bodies were returned for burial. What abot all those Serbs taken to Albania? They will probably never rest in peace. These men were tried in court and set free. End of story! At least Serbia tries. How many or their own people have Croatia, Bosnian/Croat federation and Kosovo tried for war crimes against Serbs? Zero!
You are represented by a state and institutions (army, police etc) which have signed all war agreements of the civlizied world, at least try to act like you belong to it.
(Denis, 23 September 2009 18:05)
You right on this, but you also know that nowadays (as I writte) nobody cares about any agreement signed.
How many times the Geneva convention was and still is being ignored.
But yes, the famous "collateral damage" only applies to the powers of this world...
They were trying to come to Kosova to help out their fellow brothers but they were called to Serbia for questioning before they saw a gun. They were shot at point blank somewhere in Serbia proper by officers for their own pleasure.
PERHAPS we should charge all 100k in Kosova with some BS CRIME and shoot them all...since at one point they intended to kill non-Serbs.
The rules of the game? The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war
(Denis, 23 September 2009 18:05)
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They were trying to come to Kosova to help out their fellow brothers but they were called to Serbia for questioning before they saw a gun.
(KOSOVARi, 23 September 2009 17:49)
----------
These 3 brothers were in Serbia to kill Serbs, plain and simple. Were Serb prisoners taken captive by the KLA ever released, or were they tortured and had their organs removed before they were killed?
(svojgazda, 23 September 2009 16:42)
----------
They engaged willingly in the war, unlike thousands of conscripts who had no choice.
(kate, 23 September 2009 12:14)
I do not know, where the assumptions of all of you are coming from. Wiki is not the deepest well of knowledge, but it is at least factual to a good degree.
Technically they were not prisoners of the war because there was no war anymore.
They were caught violating a bureaucratic procedure (border crossing without visa).
I did witness that Ukrainian citizen without visa and/or hotel vaucher was removed from the train in Subotica. He was not a member of UCK, hence the Serbs just deported him with the next train back and told not to show up without either vaucher or visa next time.
For (past) UCK member from abroad the procedure is the same, except as we know they can get some sentence. It's not even "prisoner of the war".
In the case of Bytyqi brothers they did help a Serbian family while violating the border procedure.
The involved Serbs (Miroslav Mitrovic) obviously did testify on trial on behalf of Bytyqi and hence the very mild (15 day) sentence.
Under normal circumstances the case would end there and there would be nothing heroic and nothing tragic.
What happened after that was 100% abnormal and very big crime.
All what we know about Bytyqi is that they did beat their chest going to fight Serbs and landed up helping Miroslav Mitrovic with his family move from Prizren to Kraljevo. They spent their time with Mitrovic family instead of fighting.
----------
I am appalled by this sentence. Evidence is very clear that the Serbian state was involved in this crime against, innocent Albanians being in their custody. Knowing the background for this case and readin the judgment from this court, I am 110 % convinced that Serbian War Crimes Court is created to white wash Serbian state war crimes against Albanians and others.
(A, 23 September 2009 10:46)
I did not read the evidence and I do not know what to say. It is clear that SOME representatives of Serbian state were involved in this crime. For instance, we should appreciate the judge who gave the very mild (15 days) sentence for what would be probably a waterboarding experience under Bush. It is not her/his (judge) fault, the sentence turned out to be a death sentence because of some criminals in the MUP.
But in the case from yesterday I, too, believe it's a cover-up to cover the a**s of some pretty dangerous fat cats who are running some part of the MUP. Probably the judge was afraid of own well-being.
Now it's your turn to tell the truth - isn't KPS full of some corrupt fat cats who once were part of MUP, than took advantage of the situation, "re-discovered" to be Albanians and committed some ugly crimes against Serbs. And precisely like in Belgrade yesterday, so is in Pristina, too: no judge would sentence these criminals to anything because either Zemun Clan or Drenica Clan will come and do some unholy thing to the judge and his family.
I am appalled by this sentence. Evidence is very clear that the Serbian state was involved in this crime against, innocent Albanians being in their custody. Knowing the background for this case and readin the judgment from this court, I am 110 % convinced that Serbian War Crimes Court is created to white wash Serbian state war crimes against Albanians and others.
“It was noticed earlier that in cases involving police officers, there is a so-called silent conspiracy. Other police officers and witnesses do not want to point the finger at their friends,” he said.
It is very hard to beleive you Mr. prosecutor that you don't know who pulled the trigger and who gave the order. Either you were scared or you are in same bed with prepetrators.
I'm happy to see these Serb men free! The albanian brothers that died were mercenaries and knew the rules of the game. Can not believe albanians are defending these uck terrorists and whining about injustice.
This was clearly a war crime and without knowing the details I do not know who is guilty.
But these guys went to Kosovo to fight, not as tourists. While the way they were killed was most certainly a war crime, they were combatants not civilians.
They engaged willingly in the war, unlike thousands of conscripts who had no choice.
Why this case is still in the news, is beyond me. These 3 brothers were in Serbia to kill Serbs, plain and simple. Were Serb prisoners taken captive by the KLA ever released, or were they tortured and had their organs removed before they were killed?
I'm happy to see these Serb men free! The albanian brothers that died were mercenaries and knew the rules of the game. Can not believe albanians are defending these uck terrorists and whining about injustice.
(MikeC, 23 September 2009 13:41)
But of course you are happy to see there mass grave diggers free. Aren't they the best serbian patriots ever?
The rules of the game? The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war, not animals to be slaughtered by the Serbian butchers. And yes they were albanian heros who went to fight against Serbian terror and repression in Kosovo.
You are represented by a state and institutions (army, police etc) which have signed all war agreements of the civlizied world, at least try to act like you belong to it.
They were trying to come to Kosova to help out their fellow brothers but they were called to Serbia for questioning before they saw a gun. They were shot at point blank somewhere in Serbia proper by officers for their own pleasure.
PERHAPS we should charge all 100k in Kosova with some BS CRIME and shoot them all...since at one point they intended to kill non-Serbs.
"The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war, not animals to be slaughtered by the Serbian butchers"
Denis
At least they didn't have their organs removed to be sold in the arab world. And their bodies were returned for burial. What abot all those Serbs taken to Albania? They will probably never rest in peace. These men were tried in court and set free. End of story! At least Serbia tries. How many or their own people have Croatia, Bosnian/Croat federation and Kosovo tried for war crimes against Serbs? Zero!
The rules of the game? The albanian brothers were captives, prisoners of war
(Denis, 23 September 2009 18:05)
----------
They were trying to come to Kosova to help out their fellow brothers but they were called to Serbia for questioning before they saw a gun.
(KOSOVARi, 23 September 2009 17:49)
----------
These 3 brothers were in Serbia to kill Serbs, plain and simple. Were Serb prisoners taken captive by the KLA ever released, or were they tortured and had their organs removed before they were killed?
(svojgazda, 23 September 2009 16:42)
----------
They engaged willingly in the war, unlike thousands of conscripts who had no choice.
(kate, 23 September 2009 12:14)
I do not know, where the assumptions of all of you are coming from. Wiki is not the deepest well of knowledge, but it is at least factual to a good degree.
Technically they were not prisoners of the war because there was no war anymore.
They were caught violating a bureaucratic procedure (border crossing without visa).
I did witness that Ukrainian citizen without visa and/or hotel vaucher was removed from the train in Subotica. He was not a member of UCK, hence the Serbs just deported him with the next train back and told not to show up without either vaucher or visa next time.
For (past) UCK member from abroad the procedure is the same, except as we know they can get some sentence. It's not even "prisoner of the war".
In the case of Bytyqi brothers they did help a Serbian family while violating the border procedure.
The involved Serbs (Miroslav Mitrovic) obviously did testify on trial on behalf of Bytyqi and hence the very mild (15 day) sentence.
Under normal circumstances the case would end there and there would be nothing heroic and nothing tragic.
What happened after that was 100% abnormal and very big crime.
All what we know about Bytyqi is that they did beat their chest going to fight Serbs and landed up helping Miroslav Mitrovic with his family move from Prizren to Kraljevo. They spent their time with Mitrovic family instead of fighting.
----------
I am appalled by this sentence. Evidence is very clear that the Serbian state was involved in this crime against, innocent Albanians being in their custody. Knowing the background for this case and readin the judgment from this court, I am 110 % convinced that Serbian War Crimes Court is created to white wash Serbian state war crimes against Albanians and others.
(A, 23 September 2009 10:46)
I did not read the evidence and I do not know what to say. It is clear that SOME representatives of Serbian state were involved in this crime. For instance, we should appreciate the judge who gave the very mild (15 days) sentence for what would be probably a waterboarding experience under Bush. It is not her/his (judge) fault, the sentence turned out to be a death sentence because of some criminals in the MUP.
But in the case from yesterday I, too, believe it's a cover-up to cover the a**s of some pretty dangerous fat cats who are running some part of the MUP. Probably the judge was afraid of own well-being.
Now it's your turn to tell the truth - isn't KPS full of some corrupt fat cats who once were part of MUP, than took advantage of the situation, "re-discovered" to be Albanians and committed some ugly crimes against Serbs. And precisely like in Belgrade yesterday, so is in Pristina, too: no judge would sentence these criminals to anything because either Zemun Clan or Drenica Clan will come and do some unholy thing to the judge and his family.
You are represented by a state and institutions (army, police etc) which have signed all war agreements of the civlizied world, at least try to act like you belong to it.
(Denis, 23 September 2009 18:05)
You right on this, but you also know that nowadays (as I writte) nobody cares about any agreement signed.
How many times the Geneva convention was and still is being ignored.
But yes, the famous "collateral damage" only applies to the powers of this world...
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