Self-Determination to campaign against elections

Brilliant. Alban Kurti and his ilk are against UNMIK. They are against EULEX. They are against the creation of new municipalities. They are against the protocol between Serbia and EULEX. Now they are against elections.

What a bunch of clowns. It is is easy to be against everything but much harder to explain and promote what you are for. They are the laughing stock of the Balkans right now.

If Kosovo is independet why is there a Self-Determination movement???

Finally I agree with this person. These elections are not good!

Time to fully implement 1244!

Kosovo is not independent, that is why there is a Self-Determination movement. Kosovo is only free of direct Belgrade rule - but, it is ruled by the Internationals. Pristina government is just for display purposes - and to pocket money. Kurti is correct.

behind bars in the bin, so he can talk to himself only +walls around him.
(Kosova-USA, 22 September 2009 13:40)

Why you want to see A.K. behind the bars? He has no dirty money and no blood on his hands. As for his opinion - that's his opinion. Regardless, it's still miles above the moral "standard" of Drenica Clan.

"1. Albin Kurti's movement is basically a "Kosovo for the Kosovars" movement. "

What "Kosovars"???? Should be "Kosovo for Albanians movement".

Roberto,

You thousand-word diatribes about everything relating to your awesomeness have grown irritating and quite old. I am with Jelena UK - I simply scroll right past your verbose, tired, and often contradictory ramblings. That said, I am quite sure this last post of yours was no doubt, superb.

Thank You,

Jason
Kosovoska Mitrovica

So let me get this straight:

1. Albin Kurti's movement is basically a "Kosovo for the Kosovars" movement.

2. Yet Kurti is apparently reviled by the very people he claims to be speaking out for.

3. His valid point of elections only perpetuating the illiberal democratic strucutre of one of the most corrupt political systems in the Balkans has led his movement to target internationally backed (and financed) Albanians in Pristina, EULEX, UNMIK, Serbia, and probably the Boy Scouts of America.

4. Instead of participating in the elections by running on the "clean party" campaign, he prefers still to complain rather than do something constructive.

Please remind me again how Kosovo is a "functioning state"?

Will anyone actually be voting in these mickey mouse elections on november 15th???!!!

Just so you can ask questions like this.
(miri, 22 September 2009 15:54)

I find the original question pretty much reflect the "reality on the ground" - so your answer. Unfortunately the later will raise only more questions.

In a democracy everyone may voice his opinion. Also this person. But what he may not do is use violence against people or EULEX cars!

As if teabaggers here in the States weren't bad enough, now I get to hear of similar retards in Kosovo as well...
(Ment, 22 September 2009 17:03)

Yes, Ment. No country has the sole rights on idiots, I suppose:)

Finally I agree with this person. These elections are not good!

Time to fully implement 1244!
(Ron, 22 September 2009 13:18)

Just realised that ron is bankrolling Albin Kurti. I personally like to see his A.. behind bars in the bin, so he can talk to himself only +walls around him.

If Kosovo is independet why is there a Self-Determination movement???
(MikeC, 22 September 2009 14:41)

Just so you can ask questions like this.

Jason/Kosova-USA

My sentiments exactly...except that jail may be a bit too extreme ;).

As if teabaggers here in the States weren't bad enough, now I get to hear of similar retards in Kosovo as well...

MikeC and other serbs: Wake up! You have lost Kosovo and you will never get it back. You have to find a way to move on with your lives.

ouch another stinger everyday more and more bad news for the albanins.I wonder how long before kurci has an accident? The albanians went crying and begging to the US and EU to save them now spit in their face and maybe worse,what a people.God bless Kosmet.

I find the original question pretty much reflect the "reality on the ground" - so your answer. Unfortunately the later will raise only more questions.
(Ataman, 22 September 2009 16:41)

Maybe you are right on that.
Here are few more questions that could be raised.

1. Why there is a LDP party in Serbia (with 4% of the vote) that advocates that Kosova should be independent while everyone here says "Kosovo je Serbia"?
2. Why the need to burn embassies and shut down Belgrade just because K-Authorities decided to declare independence. After all "Kosovo je Serbia".
3. Why the need to sign a border protocol with EULEX and Serbia if "Kosovo je Serbia"?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. This is more in response to the person who asked: "Why Albin Kurti if Kosova is independent:.

Roberto...

For your clarification... right now "teabaggers" in the States are a (self chosen) reference to the extreme right that wastes every one's time railing against every initiative in Congress without coming up with alternatives of their own...

The term came from their continuous "tea parties."

I did not mean the "other" reference.

Kurti may well be a complex and determined fellow, but his followers, by their recent actions, seem to be more the anarchic types.

His harsh experience in Serbia's prisons is no excuse for him to keep throwing sticks in the wheels of the current system of administration which the majority of Kosovars accept as fas as I know.

If he wants to contribute...he can run for office.

"Albins, retards, teabaggers..." nice to know the site is steadily increasing in its intellectual tenor. something like (bad) AM radio here in the states.

as for the "idiots," jason, expect you should know.

as for albin kurti, after all of the experts here have weighed in... i'm probably the only one (?) here who has met and interviewed him. not that that makes me an expert, i just don't think that some people have a clue.

kurti is very intense and complicated. and determined. and speaking of prison, that's how i originally became acquainted with him -- he was a political prisoner of guess which host? yes, dear neighbor serbia. along with flora brovina and mumerous others back in 1999. and guess how i followed the news of their imprisonment, trials (kangaroo), and eventual (thanks to the internationals)release? right again, thanks to my beloved b-92. if it all seems so bizarre, pls check the archives.

as i know, all of these political prisoners, but specifically brovina and kurti, were brutally tortured by their serb guards, both in kosovo/a and in serbia. some went crazy (literally) from this treatment -- some died. dr brovina and kurti -- the 2 most (in)famous such cases, survived, but each paid a high price. i'm sure anyone familiar with their stories can bear me out.

while dr brovina's is an overriding message of love and forgiveness, kurti's is much more radical. i asked him if his time in prison had affected him adversely in the long term -- he sort of laughed and minimized it, but it left me wondering.

i respect both of them, in very different ways. i also understand this message of "don't bother to vote -- it just encourages them." that was the same message of my anarchist frnds here in the 70s, one that i then flirted with but could never really embrace.

i know that "bourgeois democracy," as it is not so affectionately referred to, is imperfect, is easily corrupted, can be all too easily manipulated. but what else have we got? anarchy? communism/ (god forbid) fascism (even worse, if possible). it is the best we have for the present, and we have to make the most of it.

kurti has every right to express his opinions, many of which i have sympathy for. certainly he is earnest, and not beholden to special interests. but to turn people away from the electoral process when democracy is young, is blooming... that is not the way to go. i understand the frustration, the resentment. the rage. if i had to live as an albanian in that neck of the woods i'm sure i would be plenty angry and defensive, as well. so go ahead, enter the elctoral process (as dr brovina has) and help build a true participatory democracy, in a way that works for the people there. work to strengthen a sense of civic identity with yr country people, and help them to grow and prosper, and help to support human rights for all.

and by the way, i do not believe that either brovina or kurti "hate" serbs. i don't believe that either is a racist, i think both have goals far beyond such common pitfalls.

thank you.

roberto frisco

Miri,

Unfortunately there is one universal answer to your questions and sadly, everyone not just accepts it but takes it for granted.

"It's all the Balkan mentality".

The "Balkan mentality" is the twin brother of "Poor Hungary is light years behind America" answer.

As long as accept these and do not find them perverse, than here you will have the "Balkan mentality" and indeed, Hungary will be light years behind America in nearly every aspect.

I hate both answers, but wish, I would have as many Dollars as many times I did hear both.

if you choose not to read what i have to write, that is just fine by me.

when the site chooses to launch a series of personal attacks, that reflects something else entirely.

among other things it shows a lack of professionalism and a refusal to meet intl standards.

this is part of the same old bully campaign i have addressed numerous times on the part of the nationalists and their allies ag. their opponents. we will not be silenced!

roberto
frisco

roberto
frisco

abstention is a right in a democratic place,so Kurti is just using it!
as for participation,you should know that not all opinions are allowed to compete:you must be ok with Unmik objectives,so if you are for the fusion of albania and kosovo,you can not compeet
And the only way to know how many of us are for this solution is to abstention...

Finally I agree with this person. These elections are not good!

Time to fully implement 1244!
(Ron, 22 September 2009 13:18)

Just realised that ron is bankrolling Albin Kurti. I personally like to see his A.. behind bars in the bin, so he can talk to himself only +walls around him.

MikeC and other serbs: Wake up! You have lost Kosovo and you will never get it back. You have to find a way to move on with your lives.

If Kosovo is independet why is there a Self-Determination movement???
(MikeC, 22 September 2009 14:41)

Just so you can ask questions like this.

Finally I agree with this person. These elections are not good!

Time to fully implement 1244!

Brilliant. Alban Kurti and his ilk are against UNMIK. They are against EULEX. They are against the creation of new municipalities. They are against the protocol between Serbia and EULEX. Now they are against elections.

What a bunch of clowns. It is is easy to be against everything but much harder to explain and promote what you are for. They are the laughing stock of the Balkans right now.

Will anyone actually be voting in these mickey mouse elections on november 15th???!!!

If Kosovo is independet why is there a Self-Determination movement???

Jason/Kosova-USA

My sentiments exactly...except that jail may be a bit too extreme ;).

As if teabaggers here in the States weren't bad enough, now I get to hear of similar retards in Kosovo as well...

So let me get this straight:

1. Albin Kurti's movement is basically a "Kosovo for the Kosovars" movement.

2. Yet Kurti is apparently reviled by the very people he claims to be speaking out for.

3. His valid point of elections only perpetuating the illiberal democratic strucutre of one of the most corrupt political systems in the Balkans has led his movement to target internationally backed (and financed) Albanians in Pristina, EULEX, UNMIK, Serbia, and probably the Boy Scouts of America.

4. Instead of participating in the elections by running on the "clean party" campaign, he prefers still to complain rather than do something constructive.

Please remind me again how Kosovo is a "functioning state"?

"Albins, retards, teabaggers..." nice to know the site is steadily increasing in its intellectual tenor. something like (bad) AM radio here in the states.

as for the "idiots," jason, expect you should know.

as for albin kurti, after all of the experts here have weighed in... i'm probably the only one (?) here who has met and interviewed him. not that that makes me an expert, i just don't think that some people have a clue.

kurti is very intense and complicated. and determined. and speaking of prison, that's how i originally became acquainted with him -- he was a political prisoner of guess which host? yes, dear neighbor serbia. along with flora brovina and mumerous others back in 1999. and guess how i followed the news of their imprisonment, trials (kangaroo), and eventual (thanks to the internationals)release? right again, thanks to my beloved b-92. if it all seems so bizarre, pls check the archives.

as i know, all of these political prisoners, but specifically brovina and kurti, were brutally tortured by their serb guards, both in kosovo/a and in serbia. some went crazy (literally) from this treatment -- some died. dr brovina and kurti -- the 2 most (in)famous such cases, survived, but each paid a high price. i'm sure anyone familiar with their stories can bear me out.

while dr brovina's is an overriding message of love and forgiveness, kurti's is much more radical. i asked him if his time in prison had affected him adversely in the long term -- he sort of laughed and minimized it, but it left me wondering.

i respect both of them, in very different ways. i also understand this message of "don't bother to vote -- it just encourages them." that was the same message of my anarchist frnds here in the 70s, one that i then flirted with but could never really embrace.

i know that "bourgeois democracy," as it is not so affectionately referred to, is imperfect, is easily corrupted, can be all too easily manipulated. but what else have we got? anarchy? communism/ (god forbid) fascism (even worse, if possible). it is the best we have for the present, and we have to make the most of it.

kurti has every right to express his opinions, many of which i have sympathy for. certainly he is earnest, and not beholden to special interests. but to turn people away from the electoral process when democracy is young, is blooming... that is not the way to go. i understand the frustration, the resentment. the rage. if i had to live as an albanian in that neck of the woods i'm sure i would be plenty angry and defensive, as well. so go ahead, enter the elctoral process (as dr brovina has) and help build a true participatory democracy, in a way that works for the people there. work to strengthen a sense of civic identity with yr country people, and help them to grow and prosper, and help to support human rights for all.

and by the way, i do not believe that either brovina or kurti "hate" serbs. i don't believe that either is a racist, i think both have goals far beyond such common pitfalls.

thank you.

roberto frisco

if you choose not to read what i have to write, that is just fine by me.

when the site chooses to launch a series of personal attacks, that reflects something else entirely.

among other things it shows a lack of professionalism and a refusal to meet intl standards.

this is part of the same old bully campaign i have addressed numerous times on the part of the nationalists and their allies ag. their opponents. we will not be silenced!

roberto
frisco

roberto
frisco

behind bars in the bin, so he can talk to himself only +walls around him.
(Kosova-USA, 22 September 2009 13:40)

Why you want to see A.K. behind the bars? He has no dirty money and no blood on his hands. As for his opinion - that's his opinion. Regardless, it's still miles above the moral "standard" of Drenica Clan.

I find the original question pretty much reflect the "reality on the ground" - so your answer. Unfortunately the later will raise only more questions.
(Ataman, 22 September 2009 16:41)

Maybe you are right on that.
Here are few more questions that could be raised.

1. Why there is a LDP party in Serbia (with 4% of the vote) that advocates that Kosova should be independent while everyone here says "Kosovo je Serbia"?
2. Why the need to burn embassies and shut down Belgrade just because K-Authorities decided to declare independence. After all "Kosovo je Serbia".
3. Why the need to sign a border protocol with EULEX and Serbia if "Kosovo je Serbia"?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. This is more in response to the person who asked: "Why Albin Kurti if Kosova is independent:.

In a democracy everyone may voice his opinion. Also this person. But what he may not do is use violence against people or EULEX cars!

Just so you can ask questions like this.
(miri, 22 September 2009 15:54)

I find the original question pretty much reflect the "reality on the ground" - so your answer. Unfortunately the later will raise only more questions.

As if teabaggers here in the States weren't bad enough, now I get to hear of similar retards in Kosovo as well...
(Ment, 22 September 2009 17:03)

Yes, Ment. No country has the sole rights on idiots, I suppose:)

abstention is a right in a democratic place,so Kurti is just using it!
as for participation,you should know that not all opinions are allowed to compete:you must be ok with Unmik objectives,so if you are for the fusion of albania and kosovo,you can not compeet
And the only way to know how many of us are for this solution is to abstention...

Kosovo is not independent, that is why there is a Self-Determination movement. Kosovo is only free of direct Belgrade rule - but, it is ruled by the Internationals. Pristina government is just for display purposes - and to pocket money. Kurti is correct.

Roberto,

You thousand-word diatribes about everything relating to your awesomeness have grown irritating and quite old. I am with Jelena UK - I simply scroll right past your verbose, tired, and often contradictory ramblings. That said, I am quite sure this last post of yours was no doubt, superb.

Thank You,

Jason
Kosovoska Mitrovica

ouch another stinger everyday more and more bad news for the albanins.I wonder how long before kurci has an accident? The albanians went crying and begging to the US and EU to save them now spit in their face and maybe worse,what a people.God bless Kosmet.

"1. Albin Kurti's movement is basically a "Kosovo for the Kosovars" movement. "

What "Kosovars"???? Should be "Kosovo for Albanians movement".

Miri,

Unfortunately there is one universal answer to your questions and sadly, everyone not just accepts it but takes it for granted.

"It's all the Balkan mentality".

The "Balkan mentality" is the twin brother of "Poor Hungary is light years behind America" answer.

As long as accept these and do not find them perverse, than here you will have the "Balkan mentality" and indeed, Hungary will be light years behind America in nearly every aspect.

I hate both answers, but wish, I would have as many Dollars as many times I did hear both.

Roberto...

For your clarification... right now "teabaggers" in the States are a (self chosen) reference to the extreme right that wastes every one's time railing against every initiative in Congress without coming up with alternatives of their own...

The term came from their continuous "tea parties."

I did not mean the "other" reference.

Kurti may well be a complex and determined fellow, but his followers, by their recent actions, seem to be more the anarchic types.

His harsh experience in Serbia's prisons is no excuse for him to keep throwing sticks in the wheels of the current system of administration which the majority of Kosovars accept as fas as I know.

If he wants to contribute...he can run for office.