Kosovo “to launch diplomatic offensive”

Sejdiu is the perfect example of the idea that if at first you don't succeed, beg and plead some more. In all seriousness, what are a few more recognitions going to do? Kosovo has, what, 60+ recognitions, but about 20% of those with actual diplomatic relations. The past few weeks have seen an institutional deepening of parallel structures, the imminent creation of three more Serb municipalities, and the expansion of EU administrative authority over the rule of Pristina. Political actors in Pristina would do better at deepening the institutions they already have, seeking further relations with the states that have already recognized, and trying to bring a universal, objective, and altogether civically accessible rule of law up to European standards. Seeking additional recognitions is a waste of time (and money) that only gives the illusion of progress.

President Sejdiu never used the word "provincial".
(Kosova-USA, 21 September 2009 14:11)

Not only is Kosovo-USA an expert on world history, political science, economics and psychology, he also has time to follow 'the president' around and write down such presidential words of wisdom...

Sejdiu is such an unsavory character, that I wouldn't buy a used car from this guy. Don't the Albanians have some charismatic diplomat, instead of parading these ineffective stone faces out time and time again? Besides, the US is running out of micro islands in the South Pacific it can arm twist into recognizing their failed project in the Balkans.

Why a diplomatic offensive? I thought Albanians said that they don't need any recognition from "unimportant" countries? To Albanians countries are unimportant as long as they don't recognize the banana republic of Kosovo. However, if threatened and then decide to recognize then they are suddenly the most important country in the world. The problem is that America is running out of poor and weak countries to bribe and threaten. Besides, countries like Montenegro and Macedonia were promised money and a european future for a recognition but what are you and your masters the Americans going to promise non-european nations: a free suply of drugs?

Has been almost a year since Serbia successfully moved it's motion to bring this matter before the ICJ.. how time flies. And we should know the outcome of the case this time next year.

Which is why Sejdiu will have very little success with his 'meetings' at the UN GA.
Countries that have not recognised the K-albanian UDI have waited over a year so far, so they might as well wait a matter of months more to see how the ICJ's judgement falls.

To date, 62 countries have recognised - 53 last year & 9 this year.

He added that, during his visit to in New York, he would be highlighting the provincial institutions’ determination to build a democratic and multi-ethnic society, as well as the successes already achieved towards that goal.

"provincial institutions"
This is the biggest problem with Serb newspapers,tv,radio,electronic media , etc...
If you are quoting one person's words, it should be on its original form and not change it to your liking.

President Sejdiu never used the word "provincial".

60+ recognitions, but about 20% of those with actual diplomatic relations.

Here we go again. I have explained it once and i will do it again.
Only few countries in the world have diplomatic relation with every single country in this planet and that is US and 2-3 more countries.
Serbia does not have diplomatic relation with 192 UN Members, even old Yugo did not have diplomatic relation, due to financial issues + no strategic interest economically or otherwise, but it does not mean that the country is not recognized. Get off it Mike, I thought you are smarter than that.

Another thing; one of the posters make a joke about Sejdiu. I will keep Sejdiu at any given time over lying Vuk and Tadic that have no shame to lie to its people with straight face.

K-Albanians, do You remember this:

"Kosovo officials are expecting more countries to recognise it. “The Kosovo government believes that by the end of 2008, the newest country in the world will be recognised by 100 countries,” said Kuqi. "

100 countries at the end of 2008 ;) So - Kosovo's "government" and "Forgein Ministry" have lot of very unrealistic plans...

"He added that, during his visit to in New York, he would be highlighting the provincial institutions’ determination to build a democratic and multi-ethnic society, as well as the successes already achieved towards that goal."

He never used the used "provincial," just check the Albanian site for the original.

--" Kosovo’s unilateral independence"

It was MULTI-lateral and in concert with at least 5 powers (USA, Uk, France, Germany and Italy)


--"Countries that have not recognised the K-albanian UDI have waited over a year so far, so they might as well wait a matter of months more to see how the ICJ's judgement falls."

And then what? What did Serbia win other than make some Serb leave Kosova? The ICJ will be interpreted as a victory for both sides, if it's 51% for Kosova, Serbia will get egg all over its face and be forced to recognize by France, Germany, UK etc.

"Get off it Mike, I thought you are smarter than that."

-- If you're going to question my intelligence, you're certainly welcome to do so (we all need a little ribbing around here), but please make sure you're doing it in a constructive manner, and not just doing it because you're disagree with what I wrote.

1. You're obviously not happy with the fact that I raised the issue of recognitions vs. actual diplomatic relations. I do not have the time to check each and every country's ratio of recognition vs. diplomatic relation, but I can assure you that the vast majority of countries in the world where recognitions are mutual, there is some form of diplomatic link between said countries. That Kosovo's recogntion to relation ratio is so small, challenges the understanding that recognitions mean anything. You are free to dismiss it as nickel and diming but the fact remains that unless diplomatic relations are established, no one is going to be fighting/defending Kosovo's alleged sovereignty.

To further add to this, the recognitions that have come in have been relatively meaningless. Kosovo would be in no different a position today if only the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, Albania, and possibly Italy recognized it. 5, 50, or even an addition 20 more recognitions are not going to change the internal dynamics within Kosovo. Were recognitions actually legitimizing Albanian rule and demobilizing Serbian "opposition", we wouldn't be having this discussion.

2. "If you are quoting one person's words, it should be on its original form and not change it to your liking."

-- B92 did not quote Sejdiu. Look again at the article. No quotes. Where they did quote him he said "our country"; not "our internationally-contested Serbian province."

"I have a proven record here in B92 that what I have said has resulted in REALITY."

EA, I don't ever recall B92 making an official statement that whatever you've said has proven to be true. A "proven record" implies outside evaluation, not what you want to think. In fact, I seem to have noted that your comments of late have gotten increasingly emotional, as well as more frequently written in capital letters to display your frustration.

Anyone boasting of one's comments being based in "reality" and in the same comment writing how Kosovo will join with Albania is a far cry from reality. Such a scenario implies that the institutions of Kosovo are in fact not working, and thus run contrary to your predictions. Joining with Albania would violate one of the primary principles of Kosovo's alleged statehood: that it cannot join with any other state. So you claim to be a spokesman with a proven track record for reality, but you base a doomsday prediction on self-interested fiction. Not only that, joining with Albania also negates all the recognitions you said in the same comment are critically important.

You want reality? Try frozen conflict with political stalemate between Serbs and Albanians who in turn are sponsored, and manipulated, by larger self-interested powers. That's your reality.

And aRTA, "those 3 munis were created by the ALBANIANS after the Ahtisaari plan."

-- Albanians had just as much input in granting/creating the Serbs those municipalities as Albanians had in giving me the house I currently live in and making the weather today as beautiful as it is. I don’t ever recall Thaci or others acquiescing to letting the north be what it is. I know you want to disagree with me, but for God’s sake don’t make stuff up as you go along. Besides, if Albanians "gave" anything, there wouldn't be this cacophany of comments from Albanian nationalists here and in Pristina seeking to "take it back" and “reign in law and order” in the north. I never regarded Thaci as the brightest bulb in the pack, but he's not stupid enough to "create" Serbian municipalities that circumvent the very authority he's trying to project.

B92, why twisting the words , He never said or would say "unilateraln independence," which was not unilateral, was intermediated by UN envoy Ahtisari.fallowed by recognishen of most democratic countries in the world .
Arben, California

but what for?

first recognitions aren´t important at all, then general sejdu announces the 99th offensive ...

btw. where? i thought we are through with all that exotic 3rd world islands that sound like a cocktail (coconut-kalua, bahamas, male-short-trousers, great britain ...)?

to be precise, 3rd world islands that have ecach 10 times more economy than occupied parts of kosmet ...

Mike and MikeC,

Don't play the naive. The process of gaining more recognition is taken more time the expected. If that admission makes you happy so be it. It is not going to be an easy battle of course. But rest assured there is NO RETURN TO SERBIA. I have a proven record here in B92 that what I have said has resulted in REALITY. Let me say you it is more REALISTIC for Kosova to join Albania than a return to Serbia. Do you get my point? Hold me to that!

EA

Keep dreaming! K-Albanians once imigrated to Kosovo from Albanian so I can understand that you want close relations with your motherland but a unification of the two is and will remain a wet dream to all nationalistic Albanians. Kosovo is barely recognized by 60 countries. You actually think it's going to be easier to unit it with Albania and get recognition for that? You forgot to mention that you are going to steal parts of Macedonia and Montenegro as well. Yes! Countries are just waiting to recognize great albania.

Sejdiu is the perfect example of the idea that if at first you don't succeed, beg and plead some more. In all seriousness, what are a few more recognitions going to do? Kosovo has, what, 60+ recognitions, but about 20% of those with actual diplomatic relations. The past few weeks have seen an institutional deepening of parallel structures, the imminent creation of three more Serb municipalities, and the expansion of EU administrative authority over the rule of Pristina."


Mike,
those 3 munis were created by the ALBANIANS after the Ahtisaari plan. They have plenty of local rights within them as long as they follow the constitution. EU does control Kosova, but then they control Serbia (and Albania and FYROM...) as well. For example when the Albanians complained it was changed from "administrative line" to "border /boundary" and Serbia signed it without complaints. In a month the tariffs will be restored in the North and Serbia will start to patrol the border. How is that a success for servia?

Sejdiu said that he would be updating officials of countries that had yet to recognize Kosovo’s unilateral independence on the latest developments in order to held speed up the recognition process.

Sure, let us know how that goes.

I think everyone knows by now how things are going in Kosovo. Not good for the Serbs and other non Albanians.

President Sejdiu never used the word "provincial".
(Kosova-USA, 21 September 2009 14:11)

the issue is not one of the exact quoting of a speaker (impossible if translated thru one or esp.ly 2 languages.) the point is a very conscious attempt to politicize and editorialize in what should be str8t news stories. i've criticized this practice often -- it is really embarrassing and unprofessional, not up to intl standards, and i think everyone knows it.

as for intelligence, it is amazing for very nasty some "intelligent" people can be. luckily we can read the back issues here, so certain people are way busted...

thank you.

roberto
frisco

"And then what? What did Serbia win other than make some Serb leave Kosova? The ICJ will be interpreted as a victory for both sides, if it's 51% for Kosova, Serbia will get egg all over its face and be forced to recognize by France, Germany, UK etc.
(ArTA, 21 September 2009 16:49) "

> And then what?

You have a remarkably short attention span as I pointed this out to you 3 days ago: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=61834

Time stamps on my relevant comments to you were:
(peter, sydney, 18 September 2009 13:46) &
(peter, sydney, 20 September 2009 17:20).

> What did Serbia win other than make some Serb leave Kosova?

If this is the type of argument that the K-albanians are putting before the ICJ.., then they're up the proverbial creek ;)

Ethnic cleansing of serbs from Kosovo since the war ended by K-albanians & the subsequent negligible rate of return due to among other things, latent hostility from those same K-albanians will of course be one of the arguments that Serbia will be using.

> The ICJ will be interpreted as a victory for both sides,

Doesn't really matter what Serbia's or the 'pseudo-state's interpretion is.

Case is about international recognition & how the outcome affects the pace of that recognition & how that pace affects the 'situation on the ground' in Kosovo & how that affects the attitude of the population with the current status quo.

> etc.

I seriously doubt that the ICJ will assign a 'percentage value' to it's ruling - but as long as you're talking about numbers, here's one for you - 1244. A court of law won't be dismissing it as readily as some here do.

ps: the definition of a 'unilateral declaration of independence (or UDI)' is.. a declaration of independence made without the consent of the parent state - there is no such animal as a 'multi-lateral declaration of independence'.


EA:
> I have a proven record here in B92 that what I have said has resulted in REALITY.

Thanks for making me smile ;)


B92:
Presume you changed the format to make it easier to see the newest comment.

And while I realise that there is no real difference between reading 'up the page' & reading 'down the page', personally am more comfortable with 'reading down'.

Also makes the process of referring to a particular comment (especially in another thread) a lot easier.

And in all this time, have never used the 'Poor' tab to sort comments.

So assuming that you'd agree that most people would have the same preferences, how about something like 'Newest first', 'Oldest first' & 'Recommended'?

He added that, during his visit to in New York, he would be highlighting the provincial institutions’ determination to build a democratic and multi-ethnic society, as well as the successes already achieved towards that goal.

"provincial institutions"
This is the biggest problem with Serb newspapers,tv,radio,electronic media , etc...
If you are quoting one person's words, it should be on its original form and not change it to your liking.

President Sejdiu never used the word "provincial".

60+ recognitions, but about 20% of those with actual diplomatic relations.

Here we go again. I have explained it once and i will do it again.
Only few countries in the world have diplomatic relation with every single country in this planet and that is US and 2-3 more countries.
Serbia does not have diplomatic relation with 192 UN Members, even old Yugo did not have diplomatic relation, due to financial issues + no strategic interest economically or otherwise, but it does not mean that the country is not recognized. Get off it Mike, I thought you are smarter than that.

Another thing; one of the posters make a joke about Sejdiu. I will keep Sejdiu at any given time over lying Vuk and Tadic that have no shame to lie to its people with straight face.

President Sejdiu never used the word "provincial".
(Kosova-USA, 21 September 2009 14:11)

Not only is Kosovo-USA an expert on world history, political science, economics and psychology, he also has time to follow 'the president' around and write down such presidential words of wisdom...

Mike and MikeC,

Don't play the naive. The process of gaining more recognition is taken more time the expected. If that admission makes you happy so be it. It is not going to be an easy battle of course. But rest assured there is NO RETURN TO SERBIA. I have a proven record here in B92 that what I have said has resulted in REALITY. Let me say you it is more REALISTIC for Kosova to join Albania than a return to Serbia. Do you get my point? Hold me to that!

Why a diplomatic offensive? I thought Albanians said that they don't need any recognition from "unimportant" countries? To Albanians countries are unimportant as long as they don't recognize the banana republic of Kosovo. However, if threatened and then decide to recognize then they are suddenly the most important country in the world. The problem is that America is running out of poor and weak countries to bribe and threaten. Besides, countries like Montenegro and Macedonia were promised money and a european future for a recognition but what are you and your masters the Americans going to promise non-european nations: a free suply of drugs?

Sejdiu is the perfect example of the idea that if at first you don't succeed, beg and plead some more. In all seriousness, what are a few more recognitions going to do? Kosovo has, what, 60+ recognitions, but about 20% of those with actual diplomatic relations. The past few weeks have seen an institutional deepening of parallel structures, the imminent creation of three more Serb municipalities, and the expansion of EU administrative authority over the rule of Pristina."


Mike,
those 3 munis were created by the ALBANIANS after the Ahtisaari plan. They have plenty of local rights within them as long as they follow the constitution. EU does control Kosova, but then they control Serbia (and Albania and FYROM...) as well. For example when the Albanians complained it was changed from "administrative line" to "border /boundary" and Serbia signed it without complaints. In a month the tariffs will be restored in the North and Serbia will start to patrol the border. How is that a success for servia?

"He added that, during his visit to in New York, he would be highlighting the provincial institutions’ determination to build a democratic and multi-ethnic society, as well as the successes already achieved towards that goal."

He never used the used "provincial," just check the Albanian site for the original.

--" Kosovo’s unilateral independence"

It was MULTI-lateral and in concert with at least 5 powers (USA, Uk, France, Germany and Italy)


--"Countries that have not recognised the K-albanian UDI have waited over a year so far, so they might as well wait a matter of months more to see how the ICJ's judgement falls."

And then what? What did Serbia win other than make some Serb leave Kosova? The ICJ will be interpreted as a victory for both sides, if it's 51% for Kosova, Serbia will get egg all over its face and be forced to recognize by France, Germany, UK etc.

B92, why twisting the words , He never said or would say "unilateraln independence," which was not unilateral, was intermediated by UN envoy Ahtisari.fallowed by recognishen of most democratic countries in the world .
Arben, California

President Sejdiu never used the word "provincial".
(Kosova-USA, 21 September 2009 14:11)

the issue is not one of the exact quoting of a speaker (impossible if translated thru one or esp.ly 2 languages.) the point is a very conscious attempt to politicize and editorialize in what should be str8t news stories. i've criticized this practice often -- it is really embarrassing and unprofessional, not up to intl standards, and i think everyone knows it.

as for intelligence, it is amazing for very nasty some "intelligent" people can be. luckily we can read the back issues here, so certain people are way busted...

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Sejdiu is such an unsavory character, that I wouldn't buy a used car from this guy. Don't the Albanians have some charismatic diplomat, instead of parading these ineffective stone faces out time and time again? Besides, the US is running out of micro islands in the South Pacific it can arm twist into recognizing their failed project in the Balkans.

Sejdiu is the perfect example of the idea that if at first you don't succeed, beg and plead some more. In all seriousness, what are a few more recognitions going to do? Kosovo has, what, 60+ recognitions, but about 20% of those with actual diplomatic relations. The past few weeks have seen an institutional deepening of parallel structures, the imminent creation of three more Serb municipalities, and the expansion of EU administrative authority over the rule of Pristina. Political actors in Pristina would do better at deepening the institutions they already have, seeking further relations with the states that have already recognized, and trying to bring a universal, objective, and altogether civically accessible rule of law up to European standards. Seeking additional recognitions is a waste of time (and money) that only gives the illusion of progress.

"I have a proven record here in B92 that what I have said has resulted in REALITY."

EA, I don't ever recall B92 making an official statement that whatever you've said has proven to be true. A "proven record" implies outside evaluation, not what you want to think. In fact, I seem to have noted that your comments of late have gotten increasingly emotional, as well as more frequently written in capital letters to display your frustration.

Anyone boasting of one's comments being based in "reality" and in the same comment writing how Kosovo will join with Albania is a far cry from reality. Such a scenario implies that the institutions of Kosovo are in fact not working, and thus run contrary to your predictions. Joining with Albania would violate one of the primary principles of Kosovo's alleged statehood: that it cannot join with any other state. So you claim to be a spokesman with a proven track record for reality, but you base a doomsday prediction on self-interested fiction. Not only that, joining with Albania also negates all the recognitions you said in the same comment are critically important.

You want reality? Try frozen conflict with political stalemate between Serbs and Albanians who in turn are sponsored, and manipulated, by larger self-interested powers. That's your reality.

And aRTA, "those 3 munis were created by the ALBANIANS after the Ahtisaari plan."

-- Albanians had just as much input in granting/creating the Serbs those municipalities as Albanians had in giving me the house I currently live in and making the weather today as beautiful as it is. I don’t ever recall Thaci or others acquiescing to letting the north be what it is. I know you want to disagree with me, but for God’s sake don’t make stuff up as you go along. Besides, if Albanians "gave" anything, there wouldn't be this cacophany of comments from Albanian nationalists here and in Pristina seeking to "take it back" and “reign in law and order” in the north. I never regarded Thaci as the brightest bulb in the pack, but he's not stupid enough to "create" Serbian municipalities that circumvent the very authority he's trying to project.

Has been almost a year since Serbia successfully moved it's motion to bring this matter before the ICJ.. how time flies. And we should know the outcome of the case this time next year.

Which is why Sejdiu will have very little success with his 'meetings' at the UN GA.
Countries that have not recognised the K-albanian UDI have waited over a year so far, so they might as well wait a matter of months more to see how the ICJ's judgement falls.

To date, 62 countries have recognised - 53 last year & 9 this year.

"Get off it Mike, I thought you are smarter than that."

-- If you're going to question my intelligence, you're certainly welcome to do so (we all need a little ribbing around here), but please make sure you're doing it in a constructive manner, and not just doing it because you're disagree with what I wrote.

1. You're obviously not happy with the fact that I raised the issue of recognitions vs. actual diplomatic relations. I do not have the time to check each and every country's ratio of recognition vs. diplomatic relation, but I can assure you that the vast majority of countries in the world where recognitions are mutual, there is some form of diplomatic link between said countries. That Kosovo's recogntion to relation ratio is so small, challenges the understanding that recognitions mean anything. You are free to dismiss it as nickel and diming but the fact remains that unless diplomatic relations are established, no one is going to be fighting/defending Kosovo's alleged sovereignty.

To further add to this, the recognitions that have come in have been relatively meaningless. Kosovo would be in no different a position today if only the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, Albania, and possibly Italy recognized it. 5, 50, or even an addition 20 more recognitions are not going to change the internal dynamics within Kosovo. Were recognitions actually legitimizing Albanian rule and demobilizing Serbian "opposition", we wouldn't be having this discussion.

2. "If you are quoting one person's words, it should be on its original form and not change it to your liking."

-- B92 did not quote Sejdiu. Look again at the article. No quotes. Where they did quote him he said "our country"; not "our internationally-contested Serbian province."

K-Albanians, do You remember this:

"Kosovo officials are expecting more countries to recognise it. “The Kosovo government believes that by the end of 2008, the newest country in the world will be recognised by 100 countries,” said Kuqi. "

100 countries at the end of 2008 ;) So - Kosovo's "government" and "Forgein Ministry" have lot of very unrealistic plans...

but what for?

first recognitions aren´t important at all, then general sejdu announces the 99th offensive ...

btw. where? i thought we are through with all that exotic 3rd world islands that sound like a cocktail (coconut-kalua, bahamas, male-short-trousers, great britain ...)?

to be precise, 3rd world islands that have ecach 10 times more economy than occupied parts of kosmet ...

EA

Keep dreaming! K-Albanians once imigrated to Kosovo from Albanian so I can understand that you want close relations with your motherland but a unification of the two is and will remain a wet dream to all nationalistic Albanians. Kosovo is barely recognized by 60 countries. You actually think it's going to be easier to unit it with Albania and get recognition for that? You forgot to mention that you are going to steal parts of Macedonia and Montenegro as well. Yes! Countries are just waiting to recognize great albania.

Sejdiu said that he would be updating officials of countries that had yet to recognize Kosovo’s unilateral independence on the latest developments in order to held speed up the recognition process.

Sure, let us know how that goes.

I think everyone knows by now how things are going in Kosovo. Not good for the Serbs and other non Albanians.

"And then what? What did Serbia win other than make some Serb leave Kosova? The ICJ will be interpreted as a victory for both sides, if it's 51% for Kosova, Serbia will get egg all over its face and be forced to recognize by France, Germany, UK etc.
(ArTA, 21 September 2009 16:49) "

> And then what?

You have a remarkably short attention span as I pointed this out to you 3 days ago: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=61834

Time stamps on my relevant comments to you were:
(peter, sydney, 18 September 2009 13:46) &
(peter, sydney, 20 September 2009 17:20).

> What did Serbia win other than make some Serb leave Kosova?

If this is the type of argument that the K-albanians are putting before the ICJ.., then they're up the proverbial creek ;)

Ethnic cleansing of serbs from Kosovo since the war ended by K-albanians & the subsequent negligible rate of return due to among other things, latent hostility from those same K-albanians will of course be one of the arguments that Serbia will be using.

> The ICJ will be interpreted as a victory for both sides,

Doesn't really matter what Serbia's or the 'pseudo-state's interpretion is.

Case is about international recognition & how the outcome affects the pace of that recognition & how that pace affects the 'situation on the ground' in Kosovo & how that affects the attitude of the population with the current status quo.

> etc.

I seriously doubt that the ICJ will assign a 'percentage value' to it's ruling - but as long as you're talking about numbers, here's one for you - 1244. A court of law won't be dismissing it as readily as some here do.

ps: the definition of a 'unilateral declaration of independence (or UDI)' is.. a declaration of independence made without the consent of the parent state - there is no such animal as a 'multi-lateral declaration of independence'.


EA:
> I have a proven record here in B92 that what I have said has resulted in REALITY.

Thanks for making me smile ;)


B92:
Presume you changed the format to make it easier to see the newest comment.

And while I realise that there is no real difference between reading 'up the page' & reading 'down the page', personally am more comfortable with 'reading down'.

Also makes the process of referring to a particular comment (especially in another thread) a lot easier.

And in all this time, have never used the 'Poor' tab to sort comments.

So assuming that you'd agree that most people would have the same preferences, how about something like 'Newest first', 'Oldest first' & 'Recommended'?