Slovak PM: No recognition of Kosovo

Thank you Slovakia. The precedent Kosovo has set is dangerous to many regions of the world. It has already cause a war in Georgia and given many separatists further motivation to seek independence through violent means.

It should be clear by now that independence is irreversibly blocked on many important levels including the EU and UN. Our ethnic Albanian citizens will be left in a state of limbo until they finally decide to negotiate. Serbia is offering more to our ethnic Albanian citizens than the US or EU could ever deliver. But how long will it take for this to sink in? 10, 15, 20 years?

For as long as Slovakia and/or 5 other EU countries refuse to recognize KosovO as anything other then a part of Serbia... Pristina will have to understand that the only way they could join the EU is as part of Serbia. Furthermore, the number of countries on the side of Serbia for the ICJ is greater then the number of countries trying to break the international law. This is because their stance is principled. Which I know is a tough thing for T-albans to understand.

"Earlier today, Cvetković told Slovakian President Ivan Gašparovič that Belgrade intended to launch new talks on Kosovo’s status after the ICJ’s ruling. "


Who exactly does he intend to negotiate with? Can someome remind Cvetkovic that the negotiations came and went and Kosovo is today independent because of the lack of results from those negotiations. Serbias offers were unrealistic during those negotiations. Your chance to negotiate is longe gone sir.

so boring, how many times do you have to repeat this, we know you are not recognising and dont really care.

Please..who cares..really..lol

Sooner or latter they will have to..Just like Serbia..
At least if serbia want's to join EU..mark my words..not far from now serbia will recognize the reality of republic of kosovA..

"Earlier today, Cvetković told Slovakian President Ivan Gašparovič that Belgrade intended to launch new talks on Kosovo’s status after the ICJ’s ruling."

One more thing to add on this. Since when the term talk is defined when only one side is present? If that's the case, then Serbia has already been "talking" about status. The presumption of Serbia that the talks will start after ICJ, is pathetic. There is no desire or motivation for useless talks by any interested parties (except Serbia) and the ICJ ruling will even make these talks impossible. Allow me to say that ICJ will rule in favor of K-Albanians, and if it doesn't, K-albanians have no obligation to recognize its ruling or practice any decision coming from it since they never asked for its opinion. Their position is logical, contrary to Serbia's Jeremic who explicitly asked for such ruling and loudly proclaims that will refuse to recognize its opinion if it goes against his expectation. A big clown, I might say who still believes that K-Albanians will be forced into anything.

miri,
based on your eloquent comments, i would assume that you fully and completely agree that serbia does not have to accept kosovo's independece from serbia because they didn't ask for it.
this perpetual line of illogical statements can be applied to a child who needs to be punished, for whatever reason, saying that they will not accept the results leading to punishment because they didn't ask for it.
miri, i didn't ask for my investments to tank. i didn't ask for my comrades to loose their employment. i didn't ask for to pay my income taxes, yet myself and many others do infact do what they never asked for.
asking for something will not guarentee that you get it, and getting something doesn't mean that you asked for it.
fundamentally speaking, if kosovo wants to enter the international stage, and they very much seem to want to, then they must follow all the seemingly silly rules and laws and results that they do not ask for.

slovak MP is more interesting in kosovo than his country.let me remind you that slovakia is the poorest country in the EU.he should do more about his country ,uneployment,crime and poor standart living.

Actually The Slovakian PM told Serb PM that his country's decision not to recognize Kosova has nothing to do with relationship with Serbia. I have no idea where Serb PM cam up with those pathetic words. Ops, I forgat is only for internal public cunsomption.

so basically this just confirms what we all know ... these countries do not recognize kosova because of the international law, some kind of a principle or that they care about serbia - but rather because they have their own issues with minorities and their mistreatment ... sounds like Spain to me -:)

So in general we can very easily see which countries have not recognized kosova and know that they probably have their own internal kosovo problems .... serbia took it to the extreme and lost the region - a good lesso n for others.

Ir's funny how the Albanians here always say that the countries who have refused to recognise Kosovo are only refusing because they have their own Kosovo internal problems but fail to see the truth when it comes to why the countries who have recognised Kosovo have done it.

So the countries in the refusal section are there because of their own interests but the ones in the yes section are there because of Albanian interests. Does anyone esle see what is wrong with this picture?
130 countries of the world have their own Kosovo problems. Interesting "fact".

Some do and some don't have those problems. Regardless of why any country has yes or no the fact remains that majority of them have said NO.

Slovakia is the poorest country in the EU??????????
GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $21,900 (2008 est.)
Poland $17,300 (2008 est.)
Hungary $19,800 (2008 est.)
Estonia $21,000 (2008 est
Latvia $17,300 (2008 est.)
Lithuania $17,800 (2008 est.)
Romania $12,200 (2008 est.)
Bulgaria $12,900 (2008 est.)

Slovakia is the poorest country in the EU??????????
GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $21,900 (2008 est.)
Poland $17,300 (2008 est.)
Hungary $19,800 (2008 est.)
Estonia $21,000 (2008 est
Latvia $17,300 (2008 est.)
Lithuania $17,800 (2008 est.)
Romania $12,200 (2008 est.)
Bulgaria $12,900 (2008 est.)
(andon, 22 September 2009 09:02)

Andon,

Hazel is relatively new here and hands down writes the most ridiculous and factless posts on this forum. I think Hazel is a teenager who is best ignored. Some comments are too stupid to merit responses.

Whatever Slovakia or any other irrelevant country say, nothing can stop the unstoppable the new reality of independent Kosova. There would be countries out there that they don't like this reality BUT TOUGH you never will inpose to the will of the majority of EU countries.
(EA, 21 September 2009 20:32)

EA, please mind that 1244 is still valid. So as long as that is the case there is NO independent Kosovo.

Go talk to China and Russia!

Brutalize people? Yes. That happened. Unfortunately. But that also happened in Tibet. On a much larger scale. And we are not giving the Tibetans an own state.
While the Albanians already have Albania.

NO SPECIAL DEAL FOR KOSOVO!

very good the front against Kosovo is "growing2", plus slovakia minus russia. serbia is spending to much energy in destabilising the region!

peggy - just a quick reminder -- 130 counties have not said NO ... they just havent said anything ... major world economies have said YES. At the end of the day I will be anything that there is a much higher chance that the 130 number will go down and the 62 number will go up :) odds are in our favor and just remember that after the crimes and brutality albanians want nothing to do with serbia except to have a secure border -:) albanians are looking south and westnot north ...

How many countries have truly recognised the illegal UDI anyway? The fact is that many recognitions are not even legal until diplomatic relations are established and an ambassador assigned. Out of 60 odd supposed recognitions only about 7 countries have diplomatic relations with Kosovo. And what are the motives behind that anyway? To ship Albanians out of their countries and to justify Bondsteel?

Whatever Slovakia or any other irrelevant country say, nothing can stop the unstoppable the new reality of independent Kosova. There would be countries out there that they don't like this reality BUT TOUGH you never will inpose to the will of the majority of EU countries.

POOR............

Kosovo $2,300 (2007 est.)
Albania $6,000 (2008 est.)

i am sorry peggy - i dont get your logic. you can still believe in what you want but just because some doesnt say anything does not mean YES or NO ... it means NOTHING. when elections were in USA and 40% of the population did not vote - are they saying YES to Obama and NO to Bush or the other way around - or just they dont care either way at this point? --:) Weird how your logic works ... but pls read the article and understand that Slovakia does admit to its own internal problems and that is the main reason for not saying anything (neither a YES or a NO).

Listen - at the end of the day - Kosova is seperate and everyone knows that Serbia lost it forever - you can brutalize people and still want them to have anything to do with you. When Montenegrins could not live with Serbia how is one expected to have Albanians live with them too. Good luck

POOR...…..

Kosovo $2,300 (2007 est.)
Albania $6,000 (2008 est.)
(andon, 22 September 2009 10:08)


I am surprised at that, but ultimately it means, these numbers do not mean to much either way. I never was in Albania, but Kosovo does not look that poor compared even with Hungary.

As you drive all the way you can see, that over-all picture is not that hugely different in each country/region. For instance, (most of)Serbia, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary look fairly similar. Going to Kosovo the only sure sign, it's Albanian territory and not Serbian is that Albanians tolerate more garbage on the street. But (recently) their houses look pretty decent.

The 90% of the cars on the street are like everywhere. What is true: a certain minority in Kosovo and Serbia usually rides horse-driven carts, while in Slovakia and Hungary they ride thousand year old East German clunkers, ready to fall apart.

Besides of that I am really curious, what is the expectation of each side here towards the other. I do not see anything new, what is said was already said. Some here is like a broken record.

... Regardless of why any country has yes or no the fact remains that majority of them have said NO.
(Peggy, 21 September 2009 22:47)

Liar, liar, pans on fire!
The majority of the countries have said nothing. The countries that have said NO is much smaller than those that have said YES. Splitting the undecided in half the Yeah(s) will have it over the Nay(s).

... Regardless of why any country has yes or no the fact remains that majority of them have said NO.
(Peggy, 21 September 2009 22:47)

Liar, liar, pans on fire!
The majority of the countries have said nothing. The countries that have said NO is much smaller than those that have said YES. Splitting the undecided in half the Yeah(s) will have it over the Nay(s).
(miri, 22 September 2009 03:45)

If I am not saying yes then I must be saying no. You see all those countries who have not said anything are saying no this way. They had plenty of time to recognise you so what is holding them up? The fact that they don't want to perhaps?

What on earth makes you think that they will suddenly decide to say yes after all this time? What makes you think that the US has not already contacted them requesting that they say yes and they are still not saying yes?

Bottom line again, by not saying yes they are not giving you what you want.

BTW, when you say pans on fire are you sure you don't mean pots?

Slovakia is the poorest country in the EU??????????
GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $21,900 (2008 est.)
Poland $17,300 (2008 est.)
Hungary $19,800 (2008 est.)
Estonia $21,000 (2008 est
Latvia $17,300 (2008 est.)
Lithuania $17,800 (2008 est.)
Romania $12,200 (2008 est.)
Bulgaria $12,900 (2008 est.)
(andon, 22 September 2009 09:02)

Imagine that, and they can still keep you out with their veto.

I meant to say and they can also keep you out with their veto as well.

Liar, liar, pans on fire!
The majority of the countries have said nothing. The countries that have said NO is much smaller than those that have said YES. Splitting the undecided in half the Yeah(s) will have it over the Nay(s).
(miri, 22 September 2009 03:45)

??? Oh Yes?? Probably Russia, China, India, or Brazil are much smaller than UK or Germany ;)

Listen - at the end of the day - Kosova is seperate and everyone knows that Serbia lost it forever - you can brutalize people and still want them to have anything to do with you. When Montenegrins could not live with Serbia how is one expected to have Albanians live with them too. Good luck
(martini, 22 September 2009 12:25)

Montenegro-Serbia separation was totally artificial and has to do with political elite.
Kosovo is insofar different, that SOME of the YOUNG people are pretty violently anti-Serbian.
These are usually not the cream, so to say.

I met young girls in Emona shopping center who referred to Serbs as "Shk**ja". However, older villager who tried to speak with me in German did mixed Serbian words with German. I asked him, is he Albanian - he told me "yes".

I suspect, these young girls never even did see a "S**ja" in their life. They felt safe to talk like that because of course they were serving an American tourist and Yanks normally do not understand that word.

That means, the propaganda works and is busy to make separation as wide as possible. There is nothing "forever", Martini. In particular, that the only two countries in the world which still has any interest in Kosovo are Serbia and Albania. Others lost the interest completely. The only just and permanent solution would be a state union, but neither government (Tirana or BG) is interested in that.

I have an odd feeling that the stronger you guys try to show each other the middle finger - the less will be Kosovo Serbian and on the other part the less it will be anything, but a pathetic protectorate of EU/NATO/etc, unable to sustain itself properly as a state. The nationalists on both sides serve the neo-colonialists.

Martini I will answer your reply to me which was,

"i am sorry peggy - i dont get your logic. you can still believe in what you want but just because some doesnt say anything does not mean YES or NO ... it means NOTHING."

Exactly. It means nothing for the Albanians. Until you get a yes that nothing is automatically a NO. No UN membership and no EU membership and even no FIFA membership.

So my ligic is quite sound. While not saying anything you get nothing.

Zoran,

Please tell me what Serbia offered that your "dear ethnic Albanian citizens" didn't have before prior to being abolished? If they were your citizens why did you oppress them? What guarantees were there that it would not be revoked again? Come on, By Servia having control of foreign ministry and military, what would stop it to imposing its will again in the future? The Albanian position would be extremely frail. What they should've done is to open up the offers to the max from the start and not drag negotiations for years. Not being sincere hurt your position.

interesting... guess we can come to the conclusion that slovakia does in fact agree that there is no violation of Internation Law... and like serbia but for there own reasons... they just really really wish it was.

BTW, when you say pans on fire are you sure you don't mean pots?
(Peggy, 22 September 2009 11:01)

I meant: "Liar liar pants on fire", and please don't argue with me about this; I know better, since I am a "kid", you know. Someone here starts every comment with calling us "kids" which is flattering by the way, excepts that shows his idioticy every time .

To Ron:
Let's come China and Russia in Kosova/o to stop his Independence.
To all serbian participians on these comments:
Are you going to fight again with Albanians in Kosovo/a with that option that Russia will help you as he did during NATO kiss.
Relax my friends and recognize Kosovo/a because is better future for you.

Look who is tallking
A Sllovak ha ha ho we dont need you thanks but not thanks.
FAREWELL TO SLLAVS

Please..who cares..really..lol

Sooner or latter they will have to..Just like Serbia..
At least if serbia want's to join EU..mark my words..not far from now serbia will recognize the reality of republic of kosovA..

"Earlier today, Cvetković told Slovakian President Ivan Gašparovič that Belgrade intended to launch new talks on Kosovo’s status after the ICJ’s ruling. "


Who exactly does he intend to negotiate with? Can someome remind Cvetkovic that the negotiations came and went and Kosovo is today independent because of the lack of results from those negotiations. Serbias offers were unrealistic during those negotiations. Your chance to negotiate is longe gone sir.

so boring, how many times do you have to repeat this, we know you are not recognising and dont really care.

"Earlier today, Cvetković told Slovakian President Ivan Gašparovič that Belgrade intended to launch new talks on Kosovo’s status after the ICJ’s ruling."

One more thing to add on this. Since when the term talk is defined when only one side is present? If that's the case, then Serbia has already been "talking" about status. The presumption of Serbia that the talks will start after ICJ, is pathetic. There is no desire or motivation for useless talks by any interested parties (except Serbia) and the ICJ ruling will even make these talks impossible. Allow me to say that ICJ will rule in favor of K-Albanians, and if it doesn't, K-albanians have no obligation to recognize its ruling or practice any decision coming from it since they never asked for its opinion. Their position is logical, contrary to Serbia's Jeremic who explicitly asked for such ruling and loudly proclaims that will refuse to recognize its opinion if it goes against his expectation. A big clown, I might say who still believes that K-Albanians will be forced into anything.

slovak MP is more interesting in kosovo than his country.let me remind you that slovakia is the poorest country in the EU.he should do more about his country ,uneployment,crime and poor standart living.

Whatever Slovakia or any other irrelevant country say, nothing can stop the unstoppable the new reality of independent Kosova. There would be countries out there that they don't like this reality BUT TOUGH you never will inpose to the will of the majority of EU countries.

Actually The Slovakian PM told Serb PM that his country's decision not to recognize Kosova has nothing to do with relationship with Serbia. I have no idea where Serb PM cam up with those pathetic words. Ops, I forgat is only for internal public cunsomption.

so basically this just confirms what we all know ... these countries do not recognize kosova because of the international law, some kind of a principle or that they care about serbia - but rather because they have their own issues with minorities and their mistreatment ... sounds like Spain to me -:)

So in general we can very easily see which countries have not recognized kosova and know that they probably have their own internal kosovo problems .... serbia took it to the extreme and lost the region - a good lesso n for others.

peggy - just a quick reminder -- 130 counties have not said NO ... they just havent said anything ... major world economies have said YES. At the end of the day I will be anything that there is a much higher chance that the 130 number will go down and the 62 number will go up :) odds are in our favor and just remember that after the crimes and brutality albanians want nothing to do with serbia except to have a secure border -:) albanians are looking south and westnot north ...

To Ron:
Let's come China and Russia in Kosova/o to stop his Independence.
To all serbian participians on these comments:
Are you going to fight again with Albanians in Kosovo/a with that option that Russia will help you as he did during NATO kiss.
Relax my friends and recognize Kosovo/a because is better future for you.

Ir's funny how the Albanians here always say that the countries who have refused to recognise Kosovo are only refusing because they have their own Kosovo internal problems but fail to see the truth when it comes to why the countries who have recognised Kosovo have done it.

So the countries in the refusal section are there because of their own interests but the ones in the yes section are there because of Albanian interests. Does anyone esle see what is wrong with this picture?
130 countries of the world have their own Kosovo problems. Interesting "fact".

Some do and some don't have those problems. Regardless of why any country has yes or no the fact remains that majority of them have said NO.

For as long as Slovakia and/or 5 other EU countries refuse to recognize KosovO as anything other then a part of Serbia... Pristina will have to understand that the only way they could join the EU is as part of Serbia. Furthermore, the number of countries on the side of Serbia for the ICJ is greater then the number of countries trying to break the international law. This is because their stance is principled. Which I know is a tough thing for T-albans to understand.

... Regardless of why any country has yes or no the fact remains that majority of them have said NO.
(Peggy, 21 September 2009 22:47)

Liar, liar, pans on fire!
The majority of the countries have said nothing. The countries that have said NO is much smaller than those that have said YES. Splitting the undecided in half the Yeah(s) will have it over the Nay(s).

Thank you Slovakia. The precedent Kosovo has set is dangerous to many regions of the world. It has already cause a war in Georgia and given many separatists further motivation to seek independence through violent means.

It should be clear by now that independence is irreversibly blocked on many important levels including the EU and UN. Our ethnic Albanian citizens will be left in a state of limbo until they finally decide to negotiate. Serbia is offering more to our ethnic Albanian citizens than the US or EU could ever deliver. But how long will it take for this to sink in? 10, 15, 20 years?

interesting... guess we can come to the conclusion that slovakia does in fact agree that there is no violation of Internation Law... and like serbia but for there own reasons... they just really really wish it was.

i am sorry peggy - i dont get your logic. you can still believe in what you want but just because some doesnt say anything does not mean YES or NO ... it means NOTHING. when elections were in USA and 40% of the population did not vote - are they saying YES to Obama and NO to Bush or the other way around - or just they dont care either way at this point? --:) Weird how your logic works ... but pls read the article and understand that Slovakia does admit to its own internal problems and that is the main reason for not saying anything (neither a YES or a NO).

Listen - at the end of the day - Kosova is seperate and everyone knows that Serbia lost it forever - you can brutalize people and still want them to have anything to do with you. When Montenegrins could not live with Serbia how is one expected to have Albanians live with them too. Good luck

Brutalize people? Yes. That happened. Unfortunately. But that also happened in Tibet. On a much larger scale. And we are not giving the Tibetans an own state.
While the Albanians already have Albania.

NO SPECIAL DEAL FOR KOSOVO!

How many countries have truly recognised the illegal UDI anyway? The fact is that many recognitions are not even legal until diplomatic relations are established and an ambassador assigned. Out of 60 odd supposed recognitions only about 7 countries have diplomatic relations with Kosovo. And what are the motives behind that anyway? To ship Albanians out of their countries and to justify Bondsteel?

BTW, when you say pans on fire are you sure you don't mean pots?
(Peggy, 22 September 2009 11:01)

I meant: "Liar liar pants on fire", and please don't argue with me about this; I know better, since I am a "kid", you know. Someone here starts every comment with calling us "kids" which is flattering by the way, excepts that shows his idioticy every time .

Look who is tallking
A Sllovak ha ha ho we dont need you thanks but not thanks.
FAREWELL TO SLLAVS

very good the front against Kosovo is "growing2", plus slovakia minus russia. serbia is spending to much energy in destabilising the region!

miri,
based on your eloquent comments, i would assume that you fully and completely agree that serbia does not have to accept kosovo's independece from serbia because they didn't ask for it.
this perpetual line of illogical statements can be applied to a child who needs to be punished, for whatever reason, saying that they will not accept the results leading to punishment because they didn't ask for it.
miri, i didn't ask for my investments to tank. i didn't ask for my comrades to loose their employment. i didn't ask for to pay my income taxes, yet myself and many others do infact do what they never asked for.
asking for something will not guarentee that you get it, and getting something doesn't mean that you asked for it.
fundamentally speaking, if kosovo wants to enter the international stage, and they very much seem to want to, then they must follow all the seemingly silly rules and laws and results that they do not ask for.

Whatever Slovakia or any other irrelevant country say, nothing can stop the unstoppable the new reality of independent Kosova. There would be countries out there that they don't like this reality BUT TOUGH you never will inpose to the will of the majority of EU countries.
(EA, 21 September 2009 20:32)

EA, please mind that 1244 is still valid. So as long as that is the case there is NO independent Kosovo.

Go talk to China and Russia!

Zoran,

Please tell me what Serbia offered that your "dear ethnic Albanian citizens" didn't have before prior to being abolished? If they were your citizens why did you oppress them? What guarantees were there that it would not be revoked again? Come on, By Servia having control of foreign ministry and military, what would stop it to imposing its will again in the future? The Albanian position would be extremely frail. What they should've done is to open up the offers to the max from the start and not drag negotiations for years. Not being sincere hurt your position.

Slovakia is the poorest country in the EU??????????
GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $21,900 (2008 est.)
Poland $17,300 (2008 est.)
Hungary $19,800 (2008 est.)
Estonia $21,000 (2008 est
Latvia $17,300 (2008 est.)
Lithuania $17,800 (2008 est.)
Romania $12,200 (2008 est.)
Bulgaria $12,900 (2008 est.)
(andon, 22 September 2009 09:02)

Andon,

Hazel is relatively new here and hands down writes the most ridiculous and factless posts on this forum. I think Hazel is a teenager who is best ignored. Some comments are too stupid to merit responses.

I meant to say and they can also keep you out with their veto as well.

POOR...…..

Kosovo $2,300 (2007 est.)
Albania $6,000 (2008 est.)
(andon, 22 September 2009 10:08)


I am surprised at that, but ultimately it means, these numbers do not mean to much either way. I never was in Albania, but Kosovo does not look that poor compared even with Hungary.

As you drive all the way you can see, that over-all picture is not that hugely different in each country/region. For instance, (most of)Serbia, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary look fairly similar. Going to Kosovo the only sure sign, it's Albanian territory and not Serbian is that Albanians tolerate more garbage on the street. But (recently) their houses look pretty decent.

The 90% of the cars on the street are like everywhere. What is true: a certain minority in Kosovo and Serbia usually rides horse-driven carts, while in Slovakia and Hungary they ride thousand year old East German clunkers, ready to fall apart.

Besides of that I am really curious, what is the expectation of each side here towards the other. I do not see anything new, what is said was already said. Some here is like a broken record.

POOR............

Kosovo $2,300 (2007 est.)
Albania $6,000 (2008 est.)

... Regardless of why any country has yes or no the fact remains that majority of them have said NO.
(Peggy, 21 September 2009 22:47)

Liar, liar, pans on fire!
The majority of the countries have said nothing. The countries that have said NO is much smaller than those that have said YES. Splitting the undecided in half the Yeah(s) will have it over the Nay(s).
(miri, 22 September 2009 03:45)

If I am not saying yes then I must be saying no. You see all those countries who have not said anything are saying no this way. They had plenty of time to recognise you so what is holding them up? The fact that they don't want to perhaps?

What on earth makes you think that they will suddenly decide to say yes after all this time? What makes you think that the US has not already contacted them requesting that they say yes and they are still not saying yes?

Bottom line again, by not saying yes they are not giving you what you want.

BTW, when you say pans on fire are you sure you don't mean pots?

Slovakia is the poorest country in the EU??????????
GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $21,900 (2008 est.)
Poland $17,300 (2008 est.)
Hungary $19,800 (2008 est.)
Estonia $21,000 (2008 est
Latvia $17,300 (2008 est.)
Lithuania $17,800 (2008 est.)
Romania $12,200 (2008 est.)
Bulgaria $12,900 (2008 est.)
(andon, 22 September 2009 09:02)

Imagine that, and they can still keep you out with their veto.

Liar, liar, pans on fire!
The majority of the countries have said nothing. The countries that have said NO is much smaller than those that have said YES. Splitting the undecided in half the Yeah(s) will have it over the Nay(s).
(miri, 22 September 2009 03:45)

??? Oh Yes?? Probably Russia, China, India, or Brazil are much smaller than UK or Germany ;)

Listen - at the end of the day - Kosova is seperate and everyone knows that Serbia lost it forever - you can brutalize people and still want them to have anything to do with you. When Montenegrins could not live with Serbia how is one expected to have Albanians live with them too. Good luck
(martini, 22 September 2009 12:25)

Montenegro-Serbia separation was totally artificial and has to do with political elite.
Kosovo is insofar different, that SOME of the YOUNG people are pretty violently anti-Serbian.
These are usually not the cream, so to say.

I met young girls in Emona shopping center who referred to Serbs as "Shk**ja". However, older villager who tried to speak with me in German did mixed Serbian words with German. I asked him, is he Albanian - he told me "yes".

I suspect, these young girls never even did see a "S**ja" in their life. They felt safe to talk like that because of course they were serving an American tourist and Yanks normally do not understand that word.

That means, the propaganda works and is busy to make separation as wide as possible. There is nothing "forever", Martini. In particular, that the only two countries in the world which still has any interest in Kosovo are Serbia and Albania. Others lost the interest completely. The only just and permanent solution would be a state union, but neither government (Tirana or BG) is interested in that.

I have an odd feeling that the stronger you guys try to show each other the middle finger - the less will be Kosovo Serbian and on the other part the less it will be anything, but a pathetic protectorate of EU/NATO/etc, unable to sustain itself properly as a state. The nationalists on both sides serve the neo-colonialists.

Slovakia is the poorest country in the EU??????????
GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $21,900 (2008 est.)
Poland $17,300 (2008 est.)
Hungary $19,800 (2008 est.)
Estonia $21,000 (2008 est
Latvia $17,300 (2008 est.)
Lithuania $17,800 (2008 est.)
Romania $12,200 (2008 est.)
Bulgaria $12,900 (2008 est.)

Martini I will answer your reply to me which was,

"i am sorry peggy - i dont get your logic. you can still believe in what you want but just because some doesnt say anything does not mean YES or NO ... it means NOTHING."

Exactly. It means nothing for the Albanians. Until you get a yes that nothing is automatically a NO. No UN membership and no EU membership and even no FIFA membership.

So my ligic is quite sound. While not saying anything you get nothing.