Albanians angered over encyclopedia

I guess albanians in Macedonia now have a reason to start another war until the text is changed.

This is the same "Academy of Sciences" that as late as 2001 was openly throwing around "memorandums" for "population exchanges" and "ethnic turnovers". That anyone takes them seriously is a surprise to me. I guess since Macedonian slavs are in a severe identity crises, with their identity being contested all over the place, they need something to express their anger on...and that something are the Albanians. Blame the Albanians for the fact that we can't seem to be able to connect our slav heritage with ancient Macedon. Blame the Albanians for the fact that Alexander the Great, whom we like to say was from our country, predated the Slav Migrations by more than a millennium. Hell, blame the Albanians for the collapse of Lehman Brothers too while we are at it. The only thing they forget is that within a decade the Albanians will be the majority in FYROM, and the slavs will be the minority.

What are albanians complaining about this time, the truth perhaps?

You were/are the terrorist organization called the NLA

Your pawn leader was trained by the west. and has been accused of various crimes.

Sounds pretty accurate.

macedonia encyclopedi????how cab you have encyclopedi when you dont have a name yet??how can you say albanians come to balkan 16cen???das the macedonians never heard about skenderbe that fight the ottoman since 14 cen.macedonia become a state for the main reason,to cut albania in to the peaces.never the less every one knows that this so called { encyclopedi }.is just bin full of rubish.

another bad move from the fyrom historians{nationalists}to provoke albanians in macedonia.when albania was fighting the ottoman empire the fyroms were collecting bannanes from the tree.

A nation without identity is like a car driven by a drunk driver,it's just a matter of time until it crashes.

I don't see anything incorrect about these entries. They are all factual.

I suppose the fyromians are direct descendants of the ancient Macedons?! hehe

You kids need to read more unbiased sources of history, not Serbian, not Albanian and defintely not Fyromian (which only goes back 60 years lol).

Albanians are the oldest people in the balkans, the slavs are recent migrants...simple as that.

Cheers :)

Truth hurts.

WHY DOES THE TRUTH BOTHER THEM
Albanians are not Balkan peoples nor European that's a fact and its in books and like their hero skanderbeg he is Serbian and part Greek where does Albanian come from nobody knows but some Albanians even Albanian historians and scholars say Albanians are not Balkan nor European peoples and when skanderbeg was fighting in kosovo and in the area there was no Albanians until later so facts i guess hurts albanians and the truth.

Well, Encyclopedia is not a cookbook and you can't demand your self invented dish recipes to be included in.

WHY DOES THE TRUTH BOTHER THEM
Albanians are not Balkan peoples nor European that's a fact and its in books and like their hero skanderbeg he is Serbian and part Greek where does Albanian come from nobody knows but some Albanians even Albanian historians and scholars say Albanians are not Balkan nor European peoples and when skanderbeg was fighting in kosovo and in the area there was no Albanians until later so facts i guess hurts albanians and the truth.
(university student, 20 September 2009 21:16)

I wonder which university are you attending???

Sounds to me some macedonian have some policy as milosevic, always making the albanians that we are some kind if aliens, but dont you worry the west wont buy this false story what ever the write. 35% are albanian now in macedonia and growing. wait few more years and then you will see.

PS im happy that greeks have block you to join nato, albania should do the same until you learn to speak the truth and nothing but the truth about you "own" citizens, and

Regards
Berat

WHY DOES THE TRUTH BOTHER THEM
Albanians are not Balkan peoples nor European that's a fact and its in books and like their hero skanderbeg he is Serbian and part Greek where does Albanian come from nobody knows but some Albanians even Albanian historians and scholars say Albanians are not Balkan nor European peoples and when skanderbeg was fighting in kosovo and in the area there was no Albanians until later so facts i guess hurts albanians and the truth.
(university student, 20 September 2009 21:16)

One simple fact: Albanian LANGUAGE ! Unique, EUROPEAN, Autocthon in the Balkans.

Deal with it. Truth will hurt you, not the Albanians.

It is this simple, yet extremely powerful fact (the language) which drives some pseudo-historians in Macedonia and Serbia crazy.

And it will obviously also drive you crazy, if you read and learn more about it.

As an Albanian these publications are annoying purely because some "accademics" are trying to create the history. Macedonia is not making any favors to itself by annoying Albanians. We all know that Macedonia is an artificial state, the Macedonian "language" is a slight dialect of Bulgarian and we all know when the slavs arrived in the Balcans. Saying all that we have recognised the Macedonian state but that doesn't mean Albanians will allow the slavo Macedonians to write the history for them. Albanians in Macedonia have proved how strong can be if the state tries to discriminate them.

if you check carefull the fyrom encyclopedi you will find out that even NELSON MANDELA is from fyrom.they are good to tell babes storys for exp.the beast and the beaty

Much fuss about nothing.We can witness a clash between two world champions of history falsifing.What a joke.

Oh my God, these guys are unbelivable. They keep throughing stones from their glass house.

The theory that Albanians have been there for centuries indeed was explored and verified since 1700 by all foreign historians, not albanians. But in any case I am not sure what are these retards trying to say or to prove? If this is not a declaration of war, I am not sure what is.

What civlized nation on this earth would characterize 30% of it's population essentially as aggressors, or as people who do not belong there and excpect internal peace and stability.... especially considering the recent history and in a time where the slavic population there has no identity whatsoever, or its identity is being denied by Bulgaria and Greece to very extreme measures.

I mean are these people short-sighted or what?

Deluded nation who prides it self in fake history and pretends to build on a history which doesnt belong to them, first sleal the name Macedonia now the people who were there before sllavs came are not from there.

they are becoming a laughing stock.

everything said there is true... albanians were brought over by italians to the balkan peninsula... they converted to catholicism from islam until the turks came along... then they switched right back to their original religion...

How can Macedonians say that it is their encyclopedia when it is translated from Milosevics one.

everything said there is true... albanians were brought over by italians to the balkan peninsula... they converted to catholicism from islam until the turks came along... then they switched right back to their original religion...
(stariVujadin, 20 September 2009 20:37)

This is incorrect - what is Calabria (from Galabri) in Italy than? In some form, Albanians are autochon there, too - and they are catholics. Galabri were/are way before even Roman Empire existed, not just Islam.

What is true, Albanians did not appear in large numbers in the area the encyclopedia refers to till late medieval times.

The origin of Skanderbeg is disputed by Serbs, Greeks, Albanians - but no one disputes, the chieftains he did unite were Albanians.

I would not get exited either way because if we look in the past, probably everyone here is either Viking or Hungarian or Tatar-Mongol anyway. Most Americans, Englishmen, Australians, Germans, Albanians, Serbs, Russians and Greeks for sure. Plus many Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Chinese.

I did not hold the candle but as far as we know, Europe was regularly raped and burned by Vikings, Huns, Avars, Magyars, Tatars. And VietNam is VietNam because Viet fled the Huns into jungles.

So relax, all this has zero importance today. Sometimes I feel, we are still at the stage of hitting each other head with banana and do not know, there is a way to climb down the tree.

It is obvious that Macedonians are desperate. The funny thing is that their class is even inferior to the serbian propaganda (ok, i mean except some posters here that haven't succeded in adequating themselvese with the soft racism of the nowadays serbian politics). Good luck fyrom...

hey albanian stop complaing.MACEDONIA IS RIGHT and the reason why is becouse MACEDONIA IS 400 BILIONS YEARS OLD and albania couple of days.alexander the great,skanderberg,sultan murat,ghandi and even ROCCO SIFREDI are macedonians.if you dont believe me check the macedonians encypolopolopolopolodia.

I have proof read the entire Encylopedia version on the origins of Albanians, and have deduced that all information provided is correct.

...and the truth will set you free...

luca_uk,
when did the UK start having a word in EU policies? you joined the club pretty late and won't even adopt the Euro. maybe you should instead become the 51st state of the country dictating your policies...

Wow...i am really suprised by this.I thought God first created some Albanian,and then Adam and Eve,and then everything else.Right?:-)

Hey its not the Serbs/Maco's fault that the ALbanians were too stupid too right down their history. If you are so ancient you should be able to prove it. No one in serious academia believes that the ALbanians are descendents of the Illyrians. Please provide a source.

No one is asking the bigger question her: Who did the Albanians get to read the encyclopedia to them? ;-)
I'm here all week. Try the veal.

what a disaster,the repoblic of fyroms have created their encyclopedi with the help of their cousins{radical party}go like this and say goodbye to NATO and EU.ENGLAND should leave this primitive state out of EU and NATO 4ver.

Dear All who agrees with Macedonian encyclopedyyy!,
I just wanted to say that I am albanian and I am not angry with this book at all... and you know why, because this book just will make the others read more and understand more who albanians are and also will make understand all the world that macedonians are seeing dreams with open eyes... All over the world the historians and the people who are educated knows about history and the truth history.
I feel really sorry for macedonians that does not accept the reality and I can not understand why they do not like to be slavs!!! They know very well that they arrived in Balcan Peninsula in VII century like other slavs, why they want to steal history from aincient greeks????
A person that does not like himself AS IS will be all the time naiv and inferior, thats what macedonians of today are doing to themselfs...
For the albanians is no need to write books, already has been written many of them by germans, british and other historians which they are proud of albanian origin and the europian identity that they have.
Look to the DNA analysis that scientist are doing about europian identity and you all will understand what albanians have in their blood...
Peace to all and never try to be somebody else, except what you really are, thats the best always!!!

Horrible bunch of creatures though the National Liberation Army undoubtedlyare,the idea that they were trained by the US and UK is ludicrous. The NLA's actions were contray to those country's policy for the region which relied on maintaining the pretence that Albanians were not irredentist, Kosovo was a unique case, etc, etc.

It's a sad that we have to cope with Macedonian "chauvinism" now. I wished we all dreamed of having such attitudes (as displayed in that encyclopedia) only in the moth-eaten books, but now we have to read it into brand new ones.
Yes, Albanians will soon be a majority in FYROM, but should anybody have fear of that, of the only factor that keeps that fragile country put together?

I just hope that our kids will have a better Balkans to live in. I am glad I'm writing this in a Serb media. I hope my children be able to make friends (true ones) from their father's ex-enemies' children.
Truly this "ivory-tower" of FYROM resembles the Babylon's one. Aimed at the sky, ultimately abysed .

Anri Pashaj.
Tirana/Albania

Albanian immigrants come to take over ancient slavic lands. Where have we seen this? See e topo map of Albania to understand it better: The low land was swamps as well:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Albania_map-en.svg/380px-Albania_map-en.svg.png Plenty of places to seek safety until you can't take it anymore. Just ask the Serbs that have Montenegrin origin

Oh right Peter, i am surprised too. I thought that God was a Serb...

"No one in serious academia believes that the ALbanians are descendents of the Illyrians. Please provide a source.
(Milan)"

Dear Milan, What do you mean no serious acadamia? I would like to say to you my dear that go and analyse only the word "Illyrian" in roman Impery and latin they say "iliri" and in albanian language of today find the meaning of this word "iliri" and you will understand very clearly why albanians are direct discendants of Illyrians...
If you want to know more about origin of albanian language go and read philologist like Franz Bopp, Holger Pedersen, Norbert Jokl etc and non of them are albanians...

It must be the shortest encyclopedia in the world.

Haaa nothing to worry...Nice case to file a lawsuit really you cannot get better and easy money and that will cost millions to Macedonian TAXPAYERS and BYE.. BYE... NATO

No one is asking the bigger question her: Who did the Albanians get to read the encyclopedia to them? ;-)
(Fyrom, 21 September 2009 14:00

greatest comment on b92 ever! thank you sir!

Can any buddy tell me how FRYOM the got Bulgarian heritage how many citizenship?
The are not Macedonian the are Slavic. That is true fact

everyone on the balkans is related one way or another EXCEPT albanians... greeks are related to bulgars who are related to macedonians who are related to serbs who are related to bosnians etc etc etc... EXCEPT albanians... how is that so??

To Milan,

I see that you have read only one book and the book that's feet to what you want to belive!
BTW I suggesst you to open wikipedia and or britanica encyclopedia and you will find a lot of material not written by albanians about albanian origin and also about albanian language as the indoeuropian language.
Also I will suggest you to read about famous individuals with origin albanian like, Skanderbeg, M. Ali Pasha (the founder of modern Egypt), the family Ghica (Gjika) the rulers of Wallachia and Moldowa, actors worlwide known like Jim e John Belushi etc...
Be realistic and accept the facts of history, but let us all look to the future and lets build together a better world for our childrens a part of that to what nationality belongs and to what roots of history we are...
I also wanted to add that DNA analysis are bringing the origin of humanity to Ethiopia, so if we want to go so far then lets give them the right to owner of planet EARTH!!!

Dear Milan, What do you mean no serious acadamia? I would like to say to you my dear that go and analyse only the word "Illyrian" in roman Impery and latin they say "iliri" and in albanian language of today find the meaning of this word "iliri" and you will understand very clearly why albanians are direct discendants of Illyrians...
If you want to know more about origin of albanian language go and read philologist like Franz Bopp, Holger Pedersen, Norbert Jokl etc and non of them are albanians...
(Ballkan, 22 September 2009 09:35)

???? How many of these scientist wrote, that albanian is "pure illyrian" descent?? Albanian is very mixed with words of illyrian, thracian or dacian orgin. So - Albanians are not "Illyrians" but mixture of lot different groups and their language is not illyrian, but mixed language of unclear orgin.

P.S. the biggest connection with illyrian languages is probably connection with ancient Messapian language from... ITALY (Apulia) ;)

To Tony...
The albanians will not be the majority in a decade, as their un-official number is around 18%, with declining projections in the next decade or two. They have been saying that for the past 30 years. As for the encyclopedia, it is true that ottoman turkish sources point to an ethnic 'albanian' move to the balkans at the end of 15th century, as the Turks looked to establish their religion in a christian dominated area. We are not talking about the albanians in albania, which are a different ethnic group all together from the albanians in kosovo and macedonia. So, the encyclopedia is correct. And also, take a look at the ancient map of the world and you will see a land named albania right next to turkey...only the ones that are ignorant of history do not want to see and accept the truth...
(Igor, 22 September 2009 19:15)

Who cares if Albanians will be a majority in a decade or 5. The fact that albanians are a growing ethnic group and slavic Macedonians are shrinking, is an absolute reality. And if they continue with these provocation, the end of this country is very near.

What religion did turks try to establish in 15 century through albanians, Albanains did not convert to islam en masse until 17-18 century?

Now let's talk about killing ignorance, and let me ask you and all those who talk about Albania in Causasian mountains, why is that you never talk about the ALBANOI tribe in the heart of today's Albania, in the Kruja region, where Scanderbeg had his headquarters? The Illyrian tribe of Albanoi and the city of Albanapolis documented in Roman maps and greek historian Ptolemy, have been present in the region long before Turks, and long before Serbs appeard in the region.

How come there is nothing to support or document the mass migration of Albanians from Caucasus, like there are for Slavic tribes?

Albanians migrated in Balkans yet there is nothing that documents this move??? Their language and customs are totally different from any language or customs of the Caucasian people today. I mean if ALbanians migrated to the Balkans there must have been some left in Caucasus, yet none else speaks Albanian in that region?

But this is beyond the point. This goes once again to show how uncivilized slavic macedonian politics is, and goes to show that Albanians must never trust Serbs and Slavic macedonians, otherwise they will die.

A nation which wants to exist upon internal conflict and hate will not have a long life.

Now they maybe just got another veto towards the NATO membership. Very stupid.

There is a saying:
"One Gypsy and one Serb makes up one Macedonian".

this explains everything, where do today's "Macedoninas" come from.

No one is asking the bigger question her: Who did the Albanians get to read the encyclopedia to them? ;-)
(Fyrom, 21 September 2009 14:00

It is this type of inferiority complex that destroyed Yugoslavia and started the Balkan wars to begin with.

To Tony...
The albanians will not be the majority in a decade, as their un-official number is around 18%, with declining projections in the next decade or two. They have been saying that for the past 30 years. As for the encyclopedia, it is true that ottoman turkish sources point to an ethnic 'albanian' move to the balkans at the end of 15th century, as the Turks looked to establish their religion in a christian dominated area. We are not talking about the albanians in albania, which are a different ethnic group all together from the albanians in kosovo and macedonia. So, the encyclopedia is correct. And also, take a look at the ancient map of the world and you will see a land named albania right next to turkey...only the ones that are ignorant of history do not want to see and accept the truth...

Still some of you really bother and saying ME or YOU really what is the catch here they are international historians people what don't nothing else except but dig-in and finding out the truth where me or you learn for are self's so please PEOPLE CHILL as a say before this just a great JACKPOT for albanians so no hard FEELINGS.

sorry but albanians have no relation to illyrians...

To Denis,

The city of Albanapolis is not in Albania, but Armenia..hint..
And once again, those who do not want to see the truth, are the ones that stand to lose..The Macedonians are right.

Whether the Albanians have been in the Balkans for a long time or not doesn't really matter, they have not been in Macedonia for a very long time. When my Great Grand father came from Serbia and settled in the city of Tetovo, Albanians made up about 0% of the city's population, when my father was born they were about 5%, and now they are 90%. You can't take over a place and say you have always been there. I wonder how the Native Americans would feel if someone said White people have always been in the U.S...

I haven't read it, but I hope the encyclopedia mentions that during WW2 the Albanians, with support from the fascists and the Nazis, annexed parts of Macedonia where Albanians didn't live at all, so people will know that greater albania is just a Nazi ideology and don't believe them when they say they have no rights in Macedonia, they have more rights and privileges than most Macedonians do: they never get arrested by non-Albanian cops, they fly insignias of terrorist groups and shoot their guns in the air for weddings and go to Germany and buy BMWs while my female cousins can't walk down the Albanian parts of the city alone at night and the security guards of Menduh Taci patrol the streets with AK-47s. So even if this encyclopedia is historically wrong, it is a reflection on how the people feel, this large Albanian minority is a new development.

WHY DOES THE TRUTH BOTHER THEM
Albanians are not Balkan peoples nor European that's a fact and its in books and like their hero skanderbeg he is Serbian and part Greek where does Albanian come from nobody knows but some Albanians even Albanian historians and scholars say Albanians are not Balkan nor European peoples and when skanderbeg was fighting in kosovo and in the area there was no Albanians until later so facts i guess hurts albanians and the truth.

What are albanians complaining about this time, the truth perhaps?

You were/are the terrorist organization called the NLA

Your pawn leader was trained by the west. and has been accused of various crimes.

Sounds pretty accurate.

macedonia encyclopedi????how cab you have encyclopedi when you dont have a name yet??how can you say albanians come to balkan 16cen???das the macedonians never heard about skenderbe that fight the ottoman since 14 cen.macedonia become a state for the main reason,to cut albania in to the peaces.never the less every one knows that this so called { encyclopedi }.is just bin full of rubish.

Sounds to me some macedonian have some policy as milosevic, always making the albanians that we are some kind if aliens, but dont you worry the west wont buy this false story what ever the write. 35% are albanian now in macedonia and growing. wait few more years and then you will see.

PS im happy that greeks have block you to join nato, albania should do the same until you learn to speak the truth and nothing but the truth about you "own" citizens, and

Regards
Berat

what a disaster,the repoblic of fyroms have created their encyclopedi with the help of their cousins{radical party}go like this and say goodbye to NATO and EU.ENGLAND should leave this primitive state out of EU and NATO 4ver.

everything said there is true... albanians were brought over by italians to the balkan peninsula... they converted to catholicism from islam until the turks came along... then they switched right back to their original religion...

I don't see anything incorrect about these entries. They are all factual.

another bad move from the fyrom historians{nationalists}to provoke albanians in macedonia.when albania was fighting the ottoman empire the fyroms were collecting bannanes from the tree.

As an Albanian these publications are annoying purely because some "accademics" are trying to create the history. Macedonia is not making any favors to itself by annoying Albanians. We all know that Macedonia is an artificial state, the Macedonian "language" is a slight dialect of Bulgarian and we all know when the slavs arrived in the Balcans. Saying all that we have recognised the Macedonian state but that doesn't mean Albanians will allow the slavo Macedonians to write the history for them. Albanians in Macedonia have proved how strong can be if the state tries to discriminate them.

I have proof read the entire Encylopedia version on the origins of Albanians, and have deduced that all information provided is correct.

How can Macedonians say that it is their encyclopedia when it is translated from Milosevics one.

Hey its not the Serbs/Maco's fault that the ALbanians were too stupid too right down their history. If you are so ancient you should be able to prove it. No one in serious academia believes that the ALbanians are descendents of the Illyrians. Please provide a source.

hey albanian stop complaing.MACEDONIA IS RIGHT and the reason why is becouse MACEDONIA IS 400 BILIONS YEARS OLD and albania couple of days.alexander the great,skanderberg,sultan murat,ghandi and even ROCCO SIFREDI are macedonians.if you dont believe me check the macedonians encypolopolopolopolodia.

Wow...i am really suprised by this.I thought God first created some Albanian,and then Adam and Eve,and then everything else.Right?:-)

This is the same "Academy of Sciences" that as late as 2001 was openly throwing around "memorandums" for "population exchanges" and "ethnic turnovers". That anyone takes them seriously is a surprise to me. I guess since Macedonian slavs are in a severe identity crises, with their identity being contested all over the place, they need something to express their anger on...and that something are the Albanians. Blame the Albanians for the fact that we can't seem to be able to connect our slav heritage with ancient Macedon. Blame the Albanians for the fact that Alexander the Great, whom we like to say was from our country, predated the Slav Migrations by more than a millennium. Hell, blame the Albanians for the collapse of Lehman Brothers too while we are at it. The only thing they forget is that within a decade the Albanians will be the majority in FYROM, and the slavs will be the minority.

A nation without identity is like a car driven by a drunk driver,it's just a matter of time until it crashes.

if you check carefull the fyrom encyclopedi you will find out that even NELSON MANDELA is from fyrom.they are good to tell babes storys for exp.the beast and the beaty

I suppose the fyromians are direct descendants of the ancient Macedons?! hehe

You kids need to read more unbiased sources of history, not Serbian, not Albanian and defintely not Fyromian (which only goes back 60 years lol).

Albanians are the oldest people in the balkans, the slavs are recent migrants...simple as that.

Cheers :)

WHY DOES THE TRUTH BOTHER THEM
Albanians are not Balkan peoples nor European that's a fact and its in books and like their hero skanderbeg he is Serbian and part Greek where does Albanian come from nobody knows but some Albanians even Albanian historians and scholars say Albanians are not Balkan nor European peoples and when skanderbeg was fighting in kosovo and in the area there was no Albanians until later so facts i guess hurts albanians and the truth.
(university student, 20 September 2009 21:16)

I wonder which university are you attending???

Albanian immigrants come to take over ancient slavic lands. Where have we seen this? See e topo map of Albania to understand it better: The low land was swamps as well:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Albania_map-en.svg/380px-Albania_map-en.svg.png Plenty of places to seek safety until you can't take it anymore. Just ask the Serbs that have Montenegrin origin

I guess albanians in Macedonia now have a reason to start another war until the text is changed.

It is obvious that Macedonians are desperate. The funny thing is that their class is even inferior to the serbian propaganda (ok, i mean except some posters here that haven't succeded in adequating themselvese with the soft racism of the nowadays serbian politics). Good luck fyrom...

Truth hurts.

Oh my God, these guys are unbelivable. They keep throughing stones from their glass house.

The theory that Albanians have been there for centuries indeed was explored and verified since 1700 by all foreign historians, not albanians. But in any case I am not sure what are these retards trying to say or to prove? If this is not a declaration of war, I am not sure what is.

What civlized nation on this earth would characterize 30% of it's population essentially as aggressors, or as people who do not belong there and excpect internal peace and stability.... especially considering the recent history and in a time where the slavic population there has no identity whatsoever, or its identity is being denied by Bulgaria and Greece to very extreme measures.

I mean are these people short-sighted or what?

luca_uk,
when did the UK start having a word in EU policies? you joined the club pretty late and won't even adopt the Euro. maybe you should instead become the 51st state of the country dictating your policies...

WHY DOES THE TRUTH BOTHER THEM
Albanians are not Balkan peoples nor European that's a fact and its in books and like their hero skanderbeg he is Serbian and part Greek where does Albanian come from nobody knows but some Albanians even Albanian historians and scholars say Albanians are not Balkan nor European peoples and when skanderbeg was fighting in kosovo and in the area there was no Albanians until later so facts i guess hurts albanians and the truth.
(university student, 20 September 2009 21:16)

One simple fact: Albanian LANGUAGE ! Unique, EUROPEAN, Autocthon in the Balkans.

Deal with it. Truth will hurt you, not the Albanians.

It is this simple, yet extremely powerful fact (the language) which drives some pseudo-historians in Macedonia and Serbia crazy.

And it will obviously also drive you crazy, if you read and learn more about it.

No one is asking the bigger question her: Who did the Albanians get to read the encyclopedia to them? ;-)
I'm here all week. Try the veal.

Dear All who agrees with Macedonian encyclopedyyy!,
I just wanted to say that I am albanian and I am not angry with this book at all... and you know why, because this book just will make the others read more and understand more who albanians are and also will make understand all the world that macedonians are seeing dreams with open eyes... All over the world the historians and the people who are educated knows about history and the truth history.
I feel really sorry for macedonians that does not accept the reality and I can not understand why they do not like to be slavs!!! They know very well that they arrived in Balcan Peninsula in VII century like other slavs, why they want to steal history from aincient greeks????
A person that does not like himself AS IS will be all the time naiv and inferior, thats what macedonians of today are doing to themselfs...
For the albanians is no need to write books, already has been written many of them by germans, british and other historians which they are proud of albanian origin and the europian identity that they have.
Look to the DNA analysis that scientist are doing about europian identity and you all will understand what albanians have in their blood...
Peace to all and never try to be somebody else, except what you really are, thats the best always!!!

Horrible bunch of creatures though the National Liberation Army undoubtedlyare,the idea that they were trained by the US and UK is ludicrous. The NLA's actions were contray to those country's policy for the region which relied on maintaining the pretence that Albanians were not irredentist, Kosovo was a unique case, etc, etc.

Oh right Peter, i am surprised too. I thought that God was a Serb...

everyone on the balkans is related one way or another EXCEPT albanians... greeks are related to bulgars who are related to macedonians who are related to serbs who are related to bosnians etc etc etc... EXCEPT albanians... how is that so??

...and the truth will set you free...

Dear Milan, What do you mean no serious acadamia? I would like to say to you my dear that go and analyse only the word "Illyrian" in roman Impery and latin they say "iliri" and in albanian language of today find the meaning of this word "iliri" and you will understand very clearly why albanians are direct discendants of Illyrians...
If you want to know more about origin of albanian language go and read philologist like Franz Bopp, Holger Pedersen, Norbert Jokl etc and non of them are albanians...
(Ballkan, 22 September 2009 09:35)

???? How many of these scientist wrote, that albanian is "pure illyrian" descent?? Albanian is very mixed with words of illyrian, thracian or dacian orgin. So - Albanians are not "Illyrians" but mixture of lot different groups and their language is not illyrian, but mixed language of unclear orgin.

P.S. the biggest connection with illyrian languages is probably connection with ancient Messapian language from... ITALY (Apulia) ;)

"No one in serious academia believes that the ALbanians are descendents of the Illyrians. Please provide a source.
(Milan)"

Dear Milan, What do you mean no serious acadamia? I would like to say to you my dear that go and analyse only the word "Illyrian" in roman Impery and latin they say "iliri" and in albanian language of today find the meaning of this word "iliri" and you will understand very clearly why albanians are direct discendants of Illyrians...
If you want to know more about origin of albanian language go and read philologist like Franz Bopp, Holger Pedersen, Norbert Jokl etc and non of them are albanians...

Much fuss about nothing.We can witness a clash between two world champions of history falsifing.What a joke.

Haaa nothing to worry...Nice case to file a lawsuit really you cannot get better and easy money and that will cost millions to Macedonian TAXPAYERS and BYE.. BYE... NATO

Deluded nation who prides it self in fake history and pretends to build on a history which doesnt belong to them, first sleal the name Macedonia now the people who were there before sllavs came are not from there.

they are becoming a laughing stock.

No one is asking the bigger question her: Who did the Albanians get to read the encyclopedia to them? ;-)
(Fyrom, 21 September 2009 14:00

greatest comment on b92 ever! thank you sir!

To Tony...
The albanians will not be the majority in a decade, as their un-official number is around 18%, with declining projections in the next decade or two. They have been saying that for the past 30 years. As for the encyclopedia, it is true that ottoman turkish sources point to an ethnic 'albanian' move to the balkans at the end of 15th century, as the Turks looked to establish their religion in a christian dominated area. We are not talking about the albanians in albania, which are a different ethnic group all together from the albanians in kosovo and macedonia. So, the encyclopedia is correct. And also, take a look at the ancient map of the world and you will see a land named albania right next to turkey...only the ones that are ignorant of history do not want to see and accept the truth...

Well, Encyclopedia is not a cookbook and you can't demand your self invented dish recipes to be included in.

It must be the shortest encyclopedia in the world.

sorry but albanians have no relation to illyrians...

To Milan,

I see that you have read only one book and the book that's feet to what you want to belive!
BTW I suggesst you to open wikipedia and or britanica encyclopedia and you will find a lot of material not written by albanians about albanian origin and also about albanian language as the indoeuropian language.
Also I will suggest you to read about famous individuals with origin albanian like, Skanderbeg, M. Ali Pasha (the founder of modern Egypt), the family Ghica (Gjika) the rulers of Wallachia and Moldowa, actors worlwide known like Jim e John Belushi etc...
Be realistic and accept the facts of history, but let us all look to the future and lets build together a better world for our childrens a part of that to what nationality belongs and to what roots of history we are...
I also wanted to add that DNA analysis are bringing the origin of humanity to Ethiopia, so if we want to go so far then lets give them the right to owner of planet EARTH!!!

everything said there is true... albanians were brought over by italians to the balkan peninsula... they converted to catholicism from islam until the turks came along... then they switched right back to their original religion...
(stariVujadin, 20 September 2009 20:37)

This is incorrect - what is Calabria (from Galabri) in Italy than? In some form, Albanians are autochon there, too - and they are catholics. Galabri were/are way before even Roman Empire existed, not just Islam.

What is true, Albanians did not appear in large numbers in the area the encyclopedia refers to till late medieval times.

The origin of Skanderbeg is disputed by Serbs, Greeks, Albanians - but no one disputes, the chieftains he did unite were Albanians.

I would not get exited either way because if we look in the past, probably everyone here is either Viking or Hungarian or Tatar-Mongol anyway. Most Americans, Englishmen, Australians, Germans, Albanians, Serbs, Russians and Greeks for sure. Plus many Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Chinese.

I did not hold the candle but as far as we know, Europe was regularly raped and burned by Vikings, Huns, Avars, Magyars, Tatars. And VietNam is VietNam because Viet fled the Huns into jungles.

So relax, all this has zero importance today. Sometimes I feel, we are still at the stage of hitting each other head with banana and do not know, there is a way to climb down the tree.

Still some of you really bother and saying ME or YOU really what is the catch here they are international historians people what don't nothing else except but dig-in and finding out the truth where me or you learn for are self's so please PEOPLE CHILL as a say before this just a great JACKPOT for albanians so no hard FEELINGS.

It's a sad that we have to cope with Macedonian "chauvinism" now. I wished we all dreamed of having such attitudes (as displayed in that encyclopedia) only in the moth-eaten books, but now we have to read it into brand new ones.
Yes, Albanians will soon be a majority in FYROM, but should anybody have fear of that, of the only factor that keeps that fragile country put together?

I just hope that our kids will have a better Balkans to live in. I am glad I'm writing this in a Serb media. I hope my children be able to make friends (true ones) from their father's ex-enemies' children.
Truly this "ivory-tower" of FYROM resembles the Babylon's one. Aimed at the sky, ultimately abysed .

Anri Pashaj.
Tirana/Albania

Can any buddy tell me how FRYOM the got Bulgarian heritage how many citizenship?
The are not Macedonian the are Slavic. That is true fact

To Denis,

The city of Albanapolis is not in Albania, but Armenia..hint..
And once again, those who do not want to see the truth, are the ones that stand to lose..The Macedonians are right.

To Tony...
The albanians will not be the majority in a decade, as their un-official number is around 18%, with declining projections in the next decade or two. They have been saying that for the past 30 years. As for the encyclopedia, it is true that ottoman turkish sources point to an ethnic 'albanian' move to the balkans at the end of 15th century, as the Turks looked to establish their religion in a christian dominated area. We are not talking about the albanians in albania, which are a different ethnic group all together from the albanians in kosovo and macedonia. So, the encyclopedia is correct. And also, take a look at the ancient map of the world and you will see a land named albania right next to turkey...only the ones that are ignorant of history do not want to see and accept the truth...
(Igor, 22 September 2009 19:15)

Who cares if Albanians will be a majority in a decade or 5. The fact that albanians are a growing ethnic group and slavic Macedonians are shrinking, is an absolute reality. And if they continue with these provocation, the end of this country is very near.

What religion did turks try to establish in 15 century through albanians, Albanains did not convert to islam en masse until 17-18 century?

Now let's talk about killing ignorance, and let me ask you and all those who talk about Albania in Causasian mountains, why is that you never talk about the ALBANOI tribe in the heart of today's Albania, in the Kruja region, where Scanderbeg had his headquarters? The Illyrian tribe of Albanoi and the city of Albanapolis documented in Roman maps and greek historian Ptolemy, have been present in the region long before Turks, and long before Serbs appeard in the region.

How come there is nothing to support or document the mass migration of Albanians from Caucasus, like there are for Slavic tribes?

Albanians migrated in Balkans yet there is nothing that documents this move??? Their language and customs are totally different from any language or customs of the Caucasian people today. I mean if ALbanians migrated to the Balkans there must have been some left in Caucasus, yet none else speaks Albanian in that region?

But this is beyond the point. This goes once again to show how uncivilized slavic macedonian politics is, and goes to show that Albanians must never trust Serbs and Slavic macedonians, otherwise they will die.

A nation which wants to exist upon internal conflict and hate will not have a long life.

Now they maybe just got another veto towards the NATO membership. Very stupid.

There is a saying:
"One Gypsy and one Serb makes up one Macedonian".

this explains everything, where do today's "Macedoninas" come from.

No one is asking the bigger question her: Who did the Albanians get to read the encyclopedia to them? ;-)
(Fyrom, 21 September 2009 14:00

It is this type of inferiority complex that destroyed Yugoslavia and started the Balkan wars to begin with.

Whether the Albanians have been in the Balkans for a long time or not doesn't really matter, they have not been in Macedonia for a very long time. When my Great Grand father came from Serbia and settled in the city of Tetovo, Albanians made up about 0% of the city's population, when my father was born they were about 5%, and now they are 90%. You can't take over a place and say you have always been there. I wonder how the Native Americans would feel if someone said White people have always been in the U.S...

I haven't read it, but I hope the encyclopedia mentions that during WW2 the Albanians, with support from the fascists and the Nazis, annexed parts of Macedonia where Albanians didn't live at all, so people will know that greater albania is just a Nazi ideology and don't believe them when they say they have no rights in Macedonia, they have more rights and privileges than most Macedonians do: they never get arrested by non-Albanian cops, they fly insignias of terrorist groups and shoot their guns in the air for weddings and go to Germany and buy BMWs while my female cousins can't walk down the Albanian parts of the city alone at night and the security guards of Menduh Taci patrol the streets with AK-47s. So even if this encyclopedia is historically wrong, it is a reflection on how the people feel, this large Albanian minority is a new development.