Macedonia to remove red star from crest

I find the entire concept of using "Western" heraldic symbols on the territory of Byzantine and even Eastern ( = Korean, Chinese, Mongolian) influence quite a bit bizarre. Because of course everyone from Koryo to Sassanid Empire or Tsar Samuil had own heraldic design - why use the French system than? In particular, why use the French system amateurish way than?

Trying to erase your history is shameful. Embrace it despite its faults. No country is perfect.

I find the entire concept of using "Western" heraldic symbols on the territory of Byzantine and even Eastern ( = Korean, Chinese, Mongolian) influence quite a bit bizarre. Because of course everyone from Koryo to Sassanid Empire or Tsar Samuil had own heraldic design - why use the French system than? In particular, why use the French system amateurish way than?
(Ataman, 18 September 2009 12:14)

What to expect from a totally confused country?FYROM with her history falsification beats the daco-roman or illirian-albanian theories.Once you have a total lack of history knowlage you are not expected to have the slightest idea about heraldry either.I wonder when Euklides or Pitagoras will become the founder of FYROM mathematics.

I guess the Macedonians are supposed to ask Szemi regarding history, as he clearly knows better than them.
I wonder if we are supposed to consider Pythagoras as Greek or as Italian. Although I do not think that modern Macedonians (in FYROM) are direct descendants of the ancient ones, I do think that they have the right to claim it as much as the modern Greeks.

Design-wise it needs something at the top of the badge. They should put the Star of Vergina up there. Who cares what the Greeks think - certainly ot the rest of Europe.

I wonder if we are supposed to consider Pythagoras as Greek or as Italian.
(Geni, 18 September 2009 22:57)

No, he was of course Hungarian. Szkanderbég (alias Kasztrióta György) and Cár Lázár, too. So was Júliusz Cézár, Igor Herceg and Kolumbusz Kristóf.

Don't forget Jellasics József, Zrínyi Miklós and of course Táncsics Mihály.

@ GJORGJIEVSKI

Kindly read the RUSSIA-SERBIA comment. In addition to it, I believe the FYROM has to be grateful to the TITO communist regime for all the benefits they got: the greatest being that perfect birthday present - recognition of the language (?)and recognition of the nation (???!!!). Wasn't that the basis for their further state national advancements into the past, to the times of Alexander the Great? So show due respect for your recent past, keep that shiny red star of yours.

While at it, they should remove the surrounding what stalks and poppy, and maybe put the central motives on a 'shield' background, so it looks more like the western coats of arms, and not a communist-era remnant.

Szemi,

We can go much further than FYROM. Why not claim everything in the area, including "Rigómezö" than? The Sumer influence was/is all over the globe and even Hungarian swearwords are identical to ones in Sumer language.

Now we just need to convince the involved that

Rigómezö, Celebesz
Magyar volt és magyar lesz.

(for the ignorant few who do not know the REAL language: "Kosovo and Celebes was and will be Hungarian")

Or maybe not. Real Hungarian won't even touch feta cheese. I should not reveal that secret. Knowing it Serbs and Albanians over there have a weapon they can defeat even the tough boys of "Magyar Gárda".

They just can't use it against each other and FYROMians can't use that weapon against Greeks.

I think Makedonia should be equali dived by Kosovo,Albania,Greece and Bulgary and this will fix all problems between neighbours.

I guess the Macedonians are supposed to ask Szemi regarding history, as he clearly knows better than them.
I wonder if we are supposed to consider Pythagoras as Greek or as Italian. Although I do not think that modern Macedonians (in FYROM) are direct descendants of the ancient ones, I do think that they have the right to claim it as much as the modern Greeks.

I think Makedonia should be equali dived by Kosovo,Albania,Greece and Bulgary and this will fix all problems between neighbours.

Design-wise it needs something at the top of the badge. They should put the Star of Vergina up there. Who cares what the Greeks think - certainly ot the rest of Europe.

I find the entire concept of using "Western" heraldic symbols on the territory of Byzantine and even Eastern ( = Korean, Chinese, Mongolian) influence quite a bit bizarre. Because of course everyone from Koryo to Sassanid Empire or Tsar Samuil had own heraldic design - why use the French system than? In particular, why use the French system amateurish way than?
(Ataman, 18 September 2009 12:14)

What to expect from a totally confused country?FYROM with her history falsification beats the daco-roman or illirian-albanian theories.Once you have a total lack of history knowlage you are not expected to have the slightest idea about heraldry either.I wonder when Euklides or Pitagoras will become the founder of FYROM mathematics.

Szemi,

We can go much further than FYROM. Why not claim everything in the area, including "Rigómezö" than? The Sumer influence was/is all over the globe and even Hungarian swearwords are identical to ones in Sumer language.

Now we just need to convince the involved that

Rigómezö, Celebesz
Magyar volt és magyar lesz.

(for the ignorant few who do not know the REAL language: "Kosovo and Celebes was and will be Hungarian")

Or maybe not. Real Hungarian won't even touch feta cheese. I should not reveal that secret. Knowing it Serbs and Albanians over there have a weapon they can defeat even the tough boys of "Magyar Gárda".

They just can't use it against each other and FYROMians can't use that weapon against Greeks.

@ GJORGJIEVSKI

Kindly read the RUSSIA-SERBIA comment. In addition to it, I believe the FYROM has to be grateful to the TITO communist regime for all the benefits they got: the greatest being that perfect birthday present - recognition of the language (?)and recognition of the nation (???!!!). Wasn't that the basis for their further state national advancements into the past, to the times of Alexander the Great? So show due respect for your recent past, keep that shiny red star of yours.

Trying to erase your history is shameful. Embrace it despite its faults. No country is perfect.

I wonder if we are supposed to consider Pythagoras as Greek or as Italian.
(Geni, 18 September 2009 22:57)

No, he was of course Hungarian. Szkanderbég (alias Kasztrióta György) and Cár Lázár, too. So was Júliusz Cézár, Igor Herceg and Kolumbusz Kristóf.

Don't forget Jellasics József, Zrínyi Miklós and of course Táncsics Mihály.

I find the entire concept of using "Western" heraldic symbols on the territory of Byzantine and even Eastern ( = Korean, Chinese, Mongolian) influence quite a bit bizarre. Because of course everyone from Koryo to Sassanid Empire or Tsar Samuil had own heraldic design - why use the French system than? In particular, why use the French system amateurish way than?

While at it, they should remove the surrounding what stalks and poppy, and maybe put the central motives on a 'shield' background, so it looks more like the western coats of arms, and not a communist-era remnant.