U.S. "shelves Europe missile plan"

Bravo! Another good way to end the George Dubbya Bush evil legacy in Europe!

However, the Wall Street Journal reported: "The U.S. will base its decision on a determination that Iran's long-range missile program has not progressed as rapidly as previously estimated, reducing the threat to the continental U.S. and major European capitals, according to current and former U.S. officials
B92

Iam sure nobody believed all this "rogue state" nonsense. The Obama administration could tell a genuine threat from an imaginary one -- and its quite obvious that this system was part of an overall plan to push NATO into the Russian heartland.

I applaud Obama's decision to cancel the missile sustem
and rather spend the money on projects at home. (The US couldn't afford this missile system because they are effectively broke.)

I welcome this decision but I know it is based on pure economics, nothing to do with morality. The US is bankrupt, and Obama wants universal health care, which will cost billions to implement. He is realizing that the US can no longer afford everything and run up the credit card even more. In other words, my friends, the US empire is getting weaker by the day, these are the first signs of it.
The military industrial complex which runs the US will not be happy, and will lobby for some other missile plan to protect against more imaginary 'rogue states'. Now you know why they need Camp Bondsteel, in case all the Europeans get smart and kick them out of their countries, they can always build something in Kosovo, they figure, as the albanians will worship them just like they worshiped Ottomans, Germans, Italians and any other colonizers.

Good move Obama. We don't need a missle shield in Europe.

Interesting… In light of the Stratfor analysis about relationship Iran-Israel-Russia-USA it seems that USA (Obama) was starting to have its toes on fire. Iran of course does not have missiles capable of reaching Europe (at the moment anyway) but it is definitely capable of mining the Straight of Hormuz. It all comes down to Russia – and in my humble opinion Russia is playing its cards astonishingly well. I suppose the next thing we will see would be tightening the sanctions imposed on Iran?

The notion by Kosova-USA that the Star Wars Project by Raegan caused the collapse of the USSR is absurd.

To this day Russia with far less resources isn't that far behind in weapons development.

No. Economics was the cause. Government debt was almost as high as GDP, their was unservicable and growing budget deficit and declining exports, rising imports and the closure of factories.

The only thing Reagan did that caused the collapse is he prevented the building of pipelines from Western Europe to the USSR, i.e. Russia.

Now the pipelines have been built and Russia's future economic is secured.

The US on the otherhand has a huge government debt, a huge and increasing deficit, declining exports, outsourcing of jobs, and a situation where the average factoty worker is 50 years old, no one is replacing him as Americans don't want factory work and immigrants won't becoming because they;re Mexican, African, Indian, Muslim, etc.. and not the historical European.

Amerophiles like Kosova-USA should be concerned about this and not dreaming of Joe Biden replacing Obama and confronting Russia to the point of a new world war.

I can see joe likes presidents who are war mongers. Every conflict america is involved in is fabricated and full of lies. They go all over the globe dropping bombs and ruining peoples lives and they do not care of the consequences. What a great example of "democracy american style." Just an absolute disgrace. What happened to those "weapons of mass destruction?" btw Mr.Carter was the best president.

"He will be replaced soon with Joe Biden."

Is this a serious statement?
Joe Biden is worse than Dan Quayle and Quayle was a loser.

Looks like obama needs Russian help with Iran. If he is willing to throw the Poles under the bus to please Putin, imagine what he will do with a useless Kosovo. The Czech Republic and Poland should now withdraw their recognition of Kosovo - a deal's a deal. The president of Georgia should be worried about his balls today. The west is cracking!!!

Shield in Poland against iranian missiles.What a nonsense.After all the biggest enemy of iranian and polish people is the same.

In his effort to please everybody he appears already even to people, who elected him as a very weak president.
(Joe, 17 September 2009 18:29)

He is just a human - but the problems the country is facing are an enormous task to solve.
Otherwise, we had presidents who appear "strong" but precisely they are the ones who made these problems stronger. The weakest president of the country in it's entire history was "Dubya" - but I admit, his talk was strong. Yes, talking is cheap, even if the talk is strong.

To "unscrew" what Dubya did screw up is not an everyday task.

To compare your position to the country you so much love to hate: Gorbachyov was a weak man, while Stalin was the best for the country. Here you go. Why don't you worship Stalin than? Such a nice guy.... and strong enough.

Germany, too had some nice dictators... wait, who is on the top of that list?

Putting missiles in Central Europe was purely a political move from the start. If missiles were supposed to be against Iran, which has repeatedly stated its intent to target Israel, the smart response would be to put missile IN Israel. I'm sure the Iranains have some grudge against Czechs and Poles, but not enough to fire into Europe. This was purely a Russian deterrent that was smokescreened into deterring Iran.

Good move to abandon such a senseless and provocative program.

all this nonsense about america needing these missle defense system all over the world to protect them against perceived threats from the so-called axis-of-evil rouge states is delicious tripe that has been served and spoon fed to the western (primarily american) population.

US Joint Chiefs of Staff General James Cartwright in a moment of rare candor boasted: the US has the “capability to take on 15 inbound intercontinental ballistic missiles simultaneously using 30 GBIs [ground-based interceptors]. That’s a heck of a lot more than a rogue nation could fire.”
...
so really, who is the threat?

GREAT NEWS

We certainly do not need this kind of bs shield on our head, let it alone to counter Iran from Poland and Czech Rep, what a non sense.

Amazing how people are immediately considering Obama as a week president simply because he is not a war monger!!
We have all seen what the previous admin did for the world peace and what chaos and destruction they brought wherever they have been.

Another painfull example for the US "friends" to see how they can be dumped to the cause of self interest...

We don't need a missle shield in Europe.
(Zoran,

What do you mean WE???

We clearly know Serbia is just a Trojan horse of Russoa in the territory. Thats why your comment like that I guess.

As th saying goes, if you want peace prepera for war.
Russians knows that this wont harm their interest, and north K and Iran need to bankropt their country in order to make their missiles pass through the shield.

Win-Win.

Obama is not a winner, but a pleaser, soon enough he will know that you cant please all, but you can win all.

Although i agree with the decision it seems to me that the "Tanned" is a very weak president at the moment and his "star" is rapidly fading...

I agree with all pros and cons, that there is no need for shield in europe, but how soon everybody forgets and President Ron with Iron Lady and the Pope bankcrupted USSR with Star Wars and Polish Solidarity, and in the end USSR disolved completaly. Obama is a chicken S..t, and should have never backed off. He will be replaced soon with Joe Biden.

#
# I agree with all pros and cons, that there is no need for shield in europe, but how soon everybody forgets and President Ron with Iron Lady and the Pope bankcrupted USSR with Star Wars and Polish Solidarity, and in the end USSR disolved completaly. Obama is a chicken S..t, and should have never backed off. He will be replaced soon with Joe Biden.
(Kosova-USA, 17 September 2009 14:27)

Another brilliant prediction, Nostradamus. What do you predict next? Putin will recognize Kosovo?

Ment,

You have a point with the unreliability of the shield. But it was also obvious since his election that he will scap it to appease the Russians. In his effort to please everybody he appears already even to people, who elected him as a very weak president. He will be like poor Jimmy Carter or even worse. Some friends of mine, who voted for him and are desillusioned with him try to excuse themselves by saying "we voted for the party not for him".

To paraphrase Clinton's quote "its the economy stupid!" during his presidential campaign eons ago, in this case its obviously a case of "its the budget stupid" or rather the lack of it ..... Wake up and smell the coffee, that's free and you need not borrow to the hilt to sniff a cuppa.

btw Mr.Carter was the best president.
(Ratko, 17 September 2009 19:31)

Agree to a good degree, Ratko. While Carter deserves critics for some of his decisions (find a politician who does not!), he is the ONLY U.S. president of the recent past who can sleep well and not worry about his conscience.

And all due respect to him for that. What an "achievement": the only president (except Obama) in recent DECADES who is not a criminal or war criminal or both!

In all fairness, Obama is not backing down even though it may be perceived this way by those who never wished the man well to begin with.

I remember during his campaign, the president did mention that he wanted to re-evaluate the missile defense shield, because he believed it to be too unreliable for the money being thrown at it. Reagan if I remember correctly came to the same conclusion.

Btw, this was an opinion shared by many in the military as well.

What would USA do if Russia built a "shield" in Cuba, we would have WW3, the hypocrisy!
USA chickening out, they can't afford to have Russia on their backs.
Smart move USA otherwise you'd be the next Abkhazia/S. Ossetia!

Ataman,

So Carter is your hero? Tell it to most Americans and they will lough into your face.
But I can understand you. During little Jimmy you were still living in the glorious socialist world...not here. You don't know how it was here. When you lived here recently just for some 5 years and got your citizenship that was not enough to think like an American. Your thinking and ideology is still 100% European. It is normal. You were here for a short time and even now seem to live in Europe.
As for your case with Stalin I find it completely out of line. Anyway I am glad to see that he was apparently not your hero.
Oh and about Carter sleeping well...It is a real shame if he can do that after his miserable performance.

When you lived here recently just for some 5 years and got your citizenship that was not enough to think like an American.
(Joe, 18 September 2009 18:18)

But of course, my dear Poglavnik, you know my life better than I. Za Dom! I mean, sorry, kitartás, testvér!

I agree with all pros and cons, that there is no need for shield in europe, but how soon everybody forgets and President Ron with Iron Lady and the Pope bankcrupted USSR with Star Wars and Polish Solidarity, and in the end USSR disolved completaly. Obama is a chicken S..t, and should have never backed off. He will be replaced soon with Joe Biden.

We don't need a missle shield in Europe.
(Zoran,

What do you mean WE???

We clearly know Serbia is just a Trojan horse of Russoa in the territory. Thats why your comment like that I guess.

As th saying goes, if you want peace prepera for war.
Russians knows that this wont harm their interest, and north K and Iran need to bankropt their country in order to make their missiles pass through the shield.

Win-Win.

Obama is not a winner, but a pleaser, soon enough he will know that you cant please all, but you can win all.

Although i agree with the decision it seems to me that the "Tanned" is a very weak president at the moment and his "star" is rapidly fading...

Ment,

You have a point with the unreliability of the shield. But it was also obvious since his election that he will scap it to appease the Russians. In his effort to please everybody he appears already even to people, who elected him as a very weak president. He will be like poor Jimmy Carter or even worse. Some friends of mine, who voted for him and are desillusioned with him try to excuse themselves by saying "we voted for the party not for him".

Good move Obama. We don't need a missle shield in Europe.

Bravo! Another good way to end the George Dubbya Bush evil legacy in Europe!

Interesting… In light of the Stratfor analysis about relationship Iran-Israel-Russia-USA it seems that USA (Obama) was starting to have its toes on fire. Iran of course does not have missiles capable of reaching Europe (at the moment anyway) but it is definitely capable of mining the Straight of Hormuz. It all comes down to Russia – and in my humble opinion Russia is playing its cards astonishingly well. I suppose the next thing we will see would be tightening the sanctions imposed on Iran?

Putting missiles in Central Europe was purely a political move from the start. If missiles were supposed to be against Iran, which has repeatedly stated its intent to target Israel, the smart response would be to put missile IN Israel. I'm sure the Iranains have some grudge against Czechs and Poles, but not enough to fire into Europe. This was purely a Russian deterrent that was smokescreened into deterring Iran.

Good move to abandon such a senseless and provocative program.

The notion by Kosova-USA that the Star Wars Project by Raegan caused the collapse of the USSR is absurd.

To this day Russia with far less resources isn't that far behind in weapons development.

No. Economics was the cause. Government debt was almost as high as GDP, their was unservicable and growing budget deficit and declining exports, rising imports and the closure of factories.

The only thing Reagan did that caused the collapse is he prevented the building of pipelines from Western Europe to the USSR, i.e. Russia.

Now the pipelines have been built and Russia's future economic is secured.

The US on the otherhand has a huge government debt, a huge and increasing deficit, declining exports, outsourcing of jobs, and a situation where the average factoty worker is 50 years old, no one is replacing him as Americans don't want factory work and immigrants won't becoming because they;re Mexican, African, Indian, Muslim, etc.. and not the historical European.

Amerophiles like Kosova-USA should be concerned about this and not dreaming of Joe Biden replacing Obama and confronting Russia to the point of a new world war.

In all fairness, Obama is not backing down even though it may be perceived this way by those who never wished the man well to begin with.

I remember during his campaign, the president did mention that he wanted to re-evaluate the missile defense shield, because he believed it to be too unreliable for the money being thrown at it. Reagan if I remember correctly came to the same conclusion.

Btw, this was an opinion shared by many in the military as well.

I welcome this decision but I know it is based on pure economics, nothing to do with morality. The US is bankrupt, and Obama wants universal health care, which will cost billions to implement. He is realizing that the US can no longer afford everything and run up the credit card even more. In other words, my friends, the US empire is getting weaker by the day, these are the first signs of it.
The military industrial complex which runs the US will not be happy, and will lobby for some other missile plan to protect against more imaginary 'rogue states'. Now you know why they need Camp Bondsteel, in case all the Europeans get smart and kick them out of their countries, they can always build something in Kosovo, they figure, as the albanians will worship them just like they worshiped Ottomans, Germans, Italians and any other colonizers.

"He will be replaced soon with Joe Biden."

Is this a serious statement?
Joe Biden is worse than Dan Quayle and Quayle was a loser.

Ataman,

So Carter is your hero? Tell it to most Americans and they will lough into your face.
But I can understand you. During little Jimmy you were still living in the glorious socialist world...not here. You don't know how it was here. When you lived here recently just for some 5 years and got your citizenship that was not enough to think like an American. Your thinking and ideology is still 100% European. It is normal. You were here for a short time and even now seem to live in Europe.
As for your case with Stalin I find it completely out of line. Anyway I am glad to see that he was apparently not your hero.
Oh and about Carter sleeping well...It is a real shame if he can do that after his miserable performance.

Looks like obama needs Russian help with Iran. If he is willing to throw the Poles under the bus to please Putin, imagine what he will do with a useless Kosovo. The Czech Republic and Poland should now withdraw their recognition of Kosovo - a deal's a deal. The president of Georgia should be worried about his balls today. The west is cracking!!!

I can see joe likes presidents who are war mongers. Every conflict america is involved in is fabricated and full of lies. They go all over the globe dropping bombs and ruining peoples lives and they do not care of the consequences. What a great example of "democracy american style." Just an absolute disgrace. What happened to those "weapons of mass destruction?" btw Mr.Carter was the best president.

#
# I agree with all pros and cons, that there is no need for shield in europe, but how soon everybody forgets and President Ron with Iron Lady and the Pope bankcrupted USSR with Star Wars and Polish Solidarity, and in the end USSR disolved completaly. Obama is a chicken S..t, and should have never backed off. He will be replaced soon with Joe Biden.
(Kosova-USA, 17 September 2009 14:27)

Another brilliant prediction, Nostradamus. What do you predict next? Putin will recognize Kosovo?

Shield in Poland against iranian missiles.What a nonsense.After all the biggest enemy of iranian and polish people is the same.

What would USA do if Russia built a "shield" in Cuba, we would have WW3, the hypocrisy!
USA chickening out, they can't afford to have Russia on their backs.
Smart move USA otherwise you'd be the next Abkhazia/S. Ossetia!

However, the Wall Street Journal reported: "The U.S. will base its decision on a determination that Iran's long-range missile program has not progressed as rapidly as previously estimated, reducing the threat to the continental U.S. and major European capitals, according to current and former U.S. officials
B92

Iam sure nobody believed all this "rogue state" nonsense. The Obama administration could tell a genuine threat from an imaginary one -- and its quite obvious that this system was part of an overall plan to push NATO into the Russian heartland.

I applaud Obama's decision to cancel the missile sustem
and rather spend the money on projects at home. (The US couldn't afford this missile system because they are effectively broke.)

all this nonsense about america needing these missle defense system all over the world to protect them against perceived threats from the so-called axis-of-evil rouge states is delicious tripe that has been served and spoon fed to the western (primarily american) population.

US Joint Chiefs of Staff General James Cartwright in a moment of rare candor boasted: the US has the “capability to take on 15 inbound intercontinental ballistic missiles simultaneously using 30 GBIs [ground-based interceptors]. That’s a heck of a lot more than a rogue nation could fire.”
...
so really, who is the threat?

GREAT NEWS

We certainly do not need this kind of bs shield on our head, let it alone to counter Iran from Poland and Czech Rep, what a non sense.

Amazing how people are immediately considering Obama as a week president simply because he is not a war monger!!
We have all seen what the previous admin did for the world peace and what chaos and destruction they brought wherever they have been.

Another painfull example for the US "friends" to see how they can be dumped to the cause of self interest...

In his effort to please everybody he appears already even to people, who elected him as a very weak president.
(Joe, 17 September 2009 18:29)

He is just a human - but the problems the country is facing are an enormous task to solve.
Otherwise, we had presidents who appear "strong" but precisely they are the ones who made these problems stronger. The weakest president of the country in it's entire history was "Dubya" - but I admit, his talk was strong. Yes, talking is cheap, even if the talk is strong.

To "unscrew" what Dubya did screw up is not an everyday task.

To compare your position to the country you so much love to hate: Gorbachyov was a weak man, while Stalin was the best for the country. Here you go. Why don't you worship Stalin than? Such a nice guy.... and strong enough.

Germany, too had some nice dictators... wait, who is on the top of that list?

To paraphrase Clinton's quote "its the economy stupid!" during his presidential campaign eons ago, in this case its obviously a case of "its the budget stupid" or rather the lack of it ..... Wake up and smell the coffee, that's free and you need not borrow to the hilt to sniff a cuppa.

btw Mr.Carter was the best president.
(Ratko, 17 September 2009 19:31)

Agree to a good degree, Ratko. While Carter deserves critics for some of his decisions (find a politician who does not!), he is the ONLY U.S. president of the recent past who can sleep well and not worry about his conscience.

And all due respect to him for that. What an "achievement": the only president (except Obama) in recent DECADES who is not a criminal or war criminal or both!

When you lived here recently just for some 5 years and got your citizenship that was not enough to think like an American.
(Joe, 18 September 2009 18:18)

But of course, my dear Poglavnik, you know my life better than I. Za Dom! I mean, sorry, kitartás, testvér!