Serbian, Israeli FMs sign visa-free deal

"Mr. Jeremic as a Serbian FM , you should know how world politic work. Israel does not recognize Kosova becasue of its enemies".
Kosovo-usa


What a stupid argument!

"Israel does not recognize Kosova becasue of its enemies"

Ha ha ha!

All countries have enemies!
So, what's your excuse to why close to 160 countries refuse to recognize Kosovo?
Perhaps they too have enemies!

a serbian /isreali brotherhood is positive for both sides ..after all isreal is the only country that can tell the usa and eu what they can and can not do..dont be jealous that the little big fish is on our side ...bravo vuk!

I am not a Lieberman fan. But on this he is right: no deal without mutual agreement.

Israel is OCCUPYING land. Kosovo is just Serbian territory. This is a big difference!

The Albanians in Serbia proper, kosovo, regard the UN as no one. Then why waste your time to submit a ICJ application?
Time nor law is one your side.
Serbs have all the time.. oh and the international law.

I feel very good about this friendship becoming more visible. We have always been maximally compassionate with the people of Israel for many historic reasons, also because we had the same enemies.
I think that our foreign policy is starting to work, with all the BRIC countries (Tadic' visit to China a couple of weeks ago was magnificent!) and now Israel by our side.

So - no UN membership chance for "independent" Kosovo...

Yes my Albanian friends - UDI - is only UDI and nothing more.

"Asked whether Israel was under pressure to recognize Kosovo, Lieberman said that Israel “has been under pressure on many issues since 1948 and can handle it.”"

-- Subtle, but nice.

countries. Once majority of these countries have done so, Israel will recognize Kosova in a heartbeat. watch in see.
(Kosova-USA, 16 September 2009 17:24)

Are you a sort of a fortune teller, we continuousely can read "watch this, watch that" but sofar things have been going great for serbia and not so good for the south province, so either you know more or you are really a fortune teller..and a very jaleous one!

Keep on going Serbia, this is an excellent news for serbian people and hopefully we'll be the next to announce your free visa entry!

Good luck

well pardon me for not jumping up for joy as the israeli decision to back serbian colonialism against independence for kosovo/a. it is most disturbing, illogical, and unethical. israel has made its share of questionable decisions regarding its foreign affairs (don't get me started) but this takes the cake.

of course this has everything to do with the internal tensions with the palestinians, and also the odd perception that the belgrade regime represents a true friend to the jewish people. which is not the case.

interestingly, many israelis (and jews worldwide) were highly sympathetic to the victims of milosevic's willing executioners, and in fact helped to set up much-needed hospital facilities on the macedonian border for the fleeing albanian refugees (fleeing from serb terror forces.) and a great deal more.

so obviously the jewish world is quite split on this issue. but the israeli govt acts as it decides, and sometimes those decisions are based on short-term goals, with a deeply challenged standard of ethics. so declares this american jew, at any rate.

thank you. roberto frisco

This is indeed a very interesting and crucial development. The undecided even those sympathizing with Kosovo independence but waiting with their recognition are changing positions and are more and more moving to the other side. Recognizing Kosovo has become as dingy as recognizing Abkhazia.
No doubt about it the recognition process is dead. It over. Why should someone recognize, who has not recognized untill now. If any, there will only be recognitions from countries you never heared of. But my dear Albanian friends (its unimportant but I'we been there for almost one year) you had a fair chance or even more than that. Your starting position was georgeous with US, EU, Japan etc. on your side. But K-Albanians never started working, and they have still not started to promote independence, whise
Serbia has turned the tide. Now Kosovo has to pay for that. I think it is at least the partition ok Kosovo.

Make no mistake: this is Israel playing games with Obama. However, the bottom line is that Israel cannot manage without USA.

Roberto, I sense there is a lot of pain you are struggling with at present.

Yes, Israel is making decisions based on what is good for Israe, but at the same time so is everyone esle. So what else is new?
Are you that silly to think that the US, UK, France and Germany are pushing for independent Kosovo because of some justice or brotherly love for the Albanians?
No, they are pursuing their own interests.
So, why do you think you have to highlight the reason for Israel's stand on this when pro Kosovo governments are doing it for the same reason or maybe worse, exploitation.

“I am very thankful to Israel for its position on Kosovo, and especially to Mr. Lieberman personally for his part in making such a decision. Israel does not recognize the unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence and that is something that we appreciate greatly, especially given the pressure that Israel has been under,” Jeremić told a joint press conference.


Mr. Jeremic as a Serbian FM , you should know how world politic work. Israel does not recognize Kosova becasue of its enemies, which are yoy best friends and that is Islamic countries. Once majority of these countries have done so, Israel will recognize Kosova in a heartbeat. watch in see.

Avigdor Lieberman ahhh what a figuer, i am glad we are not having to do with anything, they just as bad. America is turning its back, so Russia is going to be ther main ally ohh and serbia

thats absolutely normal! all states that have problems with minorities are with serbia:

spain= basques,catalans
slowakia= hungarians
romania= hungarians/moldova
grecce,cyprus= turks/north cyprus
israel= palestinians
morokko=western sahara
china= tibet,uigurs,taiwan

and so one...

no one democratic state that has no problems with minorities is with serbia

Israel and Albania have had a visa-free agreement for its citizens for years now. But never mind that. I just find it interesting that any country can milk Serbia as long as it doesn't recognize Kosovo. And as long as states only look after their self interests, I am sure they'll do so until the opportune time comes to recognize.
Furthermore, in response to a commenter who said that time is on Serbia's side, it is a bit odd to think in such terms when over time we've seen more recognitions and Kosovo institutions asserting their sovereignty more and more. Thus, as more time is consumed, Serbia is loosening its hold even in the north while Kosovo is becoming more pronounced in the international scene and with further legitimacy behind it. Kosovars just need to focus because time is surely on their side. They can build a brighter future for themselves, even if their stability and prosperity obviously runs counter to the wishes of its neighbor to the north.

no one democratic state that has no problems with minorities is with serbia
(dan-ch, 17 September 2009 05:07)

That's right, Turkey is Serbia's main ally and it has no problem with Kurds and Armenians and Assyrians and Greeks and on Cyprus. On the other hand, the marginalized Albanian minority of Brazil (Serbia's main enemy) is suffering 7/24.

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well pardon me for not jumping up for joy as the israeli decision to back serbian colonialism against independence for kosovo/a. it is most disturbing, illogical, and unethical
(roberto, 17 September 2009 05:04)

I agree with you 100%, Roberto. Not asking Serbian tourists of Holy Land to fill a questionary about the name of their grandmother, not asking them to present some bogus hotel vouchers and undergo a cavity search at the embassy is very unethical. And of course if they do not pay $70 bogus fee to Ministery of Bogus Affers will back Serbian colonialism. NO VISAS FOR THESE DANGEROUS PEOPLE (without $70, without cavity search, hotel vouchers and grondmother's personal data, that is). Otherwise the ethic will suffer.

Besides if anyone notes, only Israely FM was talking in details "“This removes the obstacle to Serbian businesspeople and tourists that want to come to Israel,” Lieberman said" - simply because Israelis do not need visa to Serbia since ever.

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of course this has everything to do with the internal tensions with the palestinians, and also the odd perception that the belgrade regime represents a true friend to the jewish people. which is not the case.

(roberto, 17 September 2009 05:04)

Robrto - you maybe surprised, but Israelis do not need visa to Russia and Russians to Israel. Same about Poland, Germany and Spain. As far as I remember, these relations had some clouds in the past.

IMO, some did realized, the world is better without visas and some did not. Visas are a relatively new "invention" - only after WW-I they became a widespread praxis. Before WW-I the people traveled without visas most of the time. So we are essentially back where the world was 100 years ago. What a progress!

from maroco to israel,whos next?kashmir?is any citizen of serbia understund the word AMERICAN EMPIRE?according to the visa issue that a good thing .

“I am very thankful to Israel for its position on Kosovo, and especially to Mr. Lieberman personally for his part in making such a decision. Israel does not recognize the unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence and that is something that we appreciate greatly, especially given the pressure that Israel has been under,” Jeremić told a joint press conference.


Mr. Jeremic as a Serbian FM , you should know how world politic work. Israel does not recognize Kosova becasue of its enemies, which are yoy best friends and that is Islamic countries. Once majority of these countries have done so, Israel will recognize Kosova in a heartbeat. watch in see.

well pardon me for not jumping up for joy as the israeli decision to back serbian colonialism against independence for kosovo/a. it is most disturbing, illogical, and unethical. israel has made its share of questionable decisions regarding its foreign affairs (don't get me started) but this takes the cake.

of course this has everything to do with the internal tensions with the palestinians, and also the odd perception that the belgrade regime represents a true friend to the jewish people. which is not the case.

interestingly, many israelis (and jews worldwide) were highly sympathetic to the victims of milosevic's willing executioners, and in fact helped to set up much-needed hospital facilities on the macedonian border for the fleeing albanian refugees (fleeing from serb terror forces.) and a great deal more.

so obviously the jewish world is quite split on this issue. but the israeli govt acts as it decides, and sometimes those decisions are based on short-term goals, with a deeply challenged standard of ethics. so declares this american jew, at any rate.

thank you. roberto frisco

Make no mistake: this is Israel playing games with Obama. However, the bottom line is that Israel cannot manage without USA.

Avigdor Lieberman ahhh what a figuer, i am glad we are not having to do with anything, they just as bad. America is turning its back, so Russia is going to be ther main ally ohh and serbia

Israel and Albania have had a visa-free agreement for its citizens for years now. But never mind that. I just find it interesting that any country can milk Serbia as long as it doesn't recognize Kosovo. And as long as states only look after their self interests, I am sure they'll do so until the opportune time comes to recognize.
Furthermore, in response to a commenter who said that time is on Serbia's side, it is a bit odd to think in such terms when over time we've seen more recognitions and Kosovo institutions asserting their sovereignty more and more. Thus, as more time is consumed, Serbia is loosening its hold even in the north while Kosovo is becoming more pronounced in the international scene and with further legitimacy behind it. Kosovars just need to focus because time is surely on their side. They can build a brighter future for themselves, even if their stability and prosperity obviously runs counter to the wishes of its neighbor to the north.

The Albanians in Serbia proper, kosovo, regard the UN as no one. Then why waste your time to submit a ICJ application?
Time nor law is one your side.
Serbs have all the time.. oh and the international law.

I am not a Lieberman fan. But on this he is right: no deal without mutual agreement.

Israel is OCCUPYING land. Kosovo is just Serbian territory. This is a big difference!

I feel very good about this friendship becoming more visible. We have always been maximally compassionate with the people of Israel for many historic reasons, also because we had the same enemies.
I think that our foreign policy is starting to work, with all the BRIC countries (Tadic' visit to China a couple of weeks ago was magnificent!) and now Israel by our side.

from maroco to israel,whos next?kashmir?is any citizen of serbia understund the word AMERICAN EMPIRE?according to the visa issue that a good thing .

a serbian /isreali brotherhood is positive for both sides ..after all isreal is the only country that can tell the usa and eu what they can and can not do..dont be jealous that the little big fish is on our side ...bravo vuk!

thats absolutely normal! all states that have problems with minorities are with serbia:

spain= basques,catalans
slowakia= hungarians
romania= hungarians/moldova
grecce,cyprus= turks/north cyprus
israel= palestinians
morokko=western sahara
china= tibet,uigurs,taiwan

and so one...

no one democratic state that has no problems with minorities is with serbia

"Mr. Jeremic as a Serbian FM , you should know how world politic work. Israel does not recognize Kosova becasue of its enemies".
Kosovo-usa


What a stupid argument!

"Israel does not recognize Kosova becasue of its enemies"

Ha ha ha!

All countries have enemies!
So, what's your excuse to why close to 160 countries refuse to recognize Kosovo?
Perhaps they too have enemies!

Roberto, I sense there is a lot of pain you are struggling with at present.

Yes, Israel is making decisions based on what is good for Israe, but at the same time so is everyone esle. So what else is new?
Are you that silly to think that the US, UK, France and Germany are pushing for independent Kosovo because of some justice or brotherly love for the Albanians?
No, they are pursuing their own interests.
So, why do you think you have to highlight the reason for Israel's stand on this when pro Kosovo governments are doing it for the same reason or maybe worse, exploitation.

So - no UN membership chance for "independent" Kosovo...

Yes my Albanian friends - UDI - is only UDI and nothing more.

countries. Once majority of these countries have done so, Israel will recognize Kosova in a heartbeat. watch in see.
(Kosova-USA, 16 September 2009 17:24)

Are you a sort of a fortune teller, we continuousely can read "watch this, watch that" but sofar things have been going great for serbia and not so good for the south province, so either you know more or you are really a fortune teller..and a very jaleous one!

Keep on going Serbia, this is an excellent news for serbian people and hopefully we'll be the next to announce your free visa entry!

Good luck

"Asked whether Israel was under pressure to recognize Kosovo, Lieberman said that Israel “has been under pressure on many issues since 1948 and can handle it.”"

-- Subtle, but nice.

This is indeed a very interesting and crucial development. The undecided even those sympathizing with Kosovo independence but waiting with their recognition are changing positions and are more and more moving to the other side. Recognizing Kosovo has become as dingy as recognizing Abkhazia.
No doubt about it the recognition process is dead. It over. Why should someone recognize, who has not recognized untill now. If any, there will only be recognitions from countries you never heared of. But my dear Albanian friends (its unimportant but I'we been there for almost one year) you had a fair chance or even more than that. Your starting position was georgeous with US, EU, Japan etc. on your side. But K-Albanians never started working, and they have still not started to promote independence, whise
Serbia has turned the tide. Now Kosovo has to pay for that. I think it is at least the partition ok Kosovo.

no one democratic state that has no problems with minorities is with serbia
(dan-ch, 17 September 2009 05:07)

That's right, Turkey is Serbia's main ally and it has no problem with Kurds and Armenians and Assyrians and Greeks and on Cyprus. On the other hand, the marginalized Albanian minority of Brazil (Serbia's main enemy) is suffering 7/24.

-------------

well pardon me for not jumping up for joy as the israeli decision to back serbian colonialism against independence for kosovo/a. it is most disturbing, illogical, and unethical
(roberto, 17 September 2009 05:04)

I agree with you 100%, Roberto. Not asking Serbian tourists of Holy Land to fill a questionary about the name of their grandmother, not asking them to present some bogus hotel vouchers and undergo a cavity search at the embassy is very unethical. And of course if they do not pay $70 bogus fee to Ministery of Bogus Affers will back Serbian colonialism. NO VISAS FOR THESE DANGEROUS PEOPLE (without $70, without cavity search, hotel vouchers and grondmother's personal data, that is). Otherwise the ethic will suffer.

Besides if anyone notes, only Israely FM was talking in details "“This removes the obstacle to Serbian businesspeople and tourists that want to come to Israel,” Lieberman said" - simply because Israelis do not need visa to Serbia since ever.

-------------

of course this has everything to do with the internal tensions with the palestinians, and also the odd perception that the belgrade regime represents a true friend to the jewish people. which is not the case.

(roberto, 17 September 2009 05:04)

Robrto - you maybe surprised, but Israelis do not need visa to Russia and Russians to Israel. Same about Poland, Germany and Spain. As far as I remember, these relations had some clouds in the past.

IMO, some did realized, the world is better without visas and some did not. Visas are a relatively new "invention" - only after WW-I they became a widespread praxis. Before WW-I the people traveled without visas most of the time. So we are essentially back where the world was 100 years ago. What a progress!