DSS: Protocol establishes borders

“Samardžić said that the protocol confirmed the existence of a border between Serbia and Kosovo for the first time”….

There is nothing to be confirmed, there is a border and everybody knows that. We had the borders in 1912, in 1941, in 1989 as well as in 1999 when Serb troops were to be outside the Kosova’s borders including 5km buffer zone inside Serbia.
But, it is the first time that government of Serbia signs agreement to cooperate with its newest neighbor and its authorities, though through EULEX as mediator. This will also not be the last agreement, as we are expecting soon two other protocols to be signed, customs cooperation as well as justice cooperation between two countries, as cooperation in these areas between the countries is essential to keep the Balkans but also Europe and further in a good and safe position.

At least some smart serbs saying the truth.

I think Thaci and Tadic have their plans together how Serbia would give up Kosovo and how Kosovo will gain sovergnity over the whole territory. It was only a game that Thaci and Sejdiu diden't agree with the protocol. A game to made serbs think they are victory with this protocol so they woulden't protest.

Everything is a game folks. I bet that Tadic and Thaci have talks over the phone and are making plans how everything should go smoth. Tadic is smart enough not to fight a lost battle.

I think people in Serbia are sensing that things regarding Kosovo are finally being are soon to become part of history.

Kosovo is totally INDEPENDENT from Serbia. I dont think Kostunica is the cleaverest to sense this, especially with the last signing of Border control, and teh subsequent signings.

The proper establishment KPS control of the Kosovar-Serbian border with customes and tax will mark the new beginning of the bilatral relations between teh two statets Kosova and Serbia.

Things are rounding up in the favour of Balkan peace stability.

Peace to all

Not for Kosovo to be taken, but for Serbia to give it away.
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Kosova was lost in 1999, Serbia can only delay the inevitable. After Slobo kept breaking promises to the West and after what was done in Bosnia and Kosova US decided to get involved. Then it was over. Do you think nothing would change after all that mobilization of some 27 nations? The West things long term, very long term. Example: Thatcher opposed German unification because they feared Germany would start another war (3 in 70 years). With Serbia coddling China and Russia even more, the West is even more certain it made the right decision.

Those that see the West's hand behind Vojvodina are right as well. The west wants a "contained" Serbia surrounded by Croats, Albanians and Bosnjaci. Empire building is out... unless it's the big powers owning our economies. Small countries must stay quiet or else.

Albanians aren't happy, Serbs aren't happy, no one is happy.

The argument that a protocol will bring down cross-border crime / smuggling is farce.

What does this protocol REALLY establish??

Slobo it's not so tragic!

You cannot lose in 2009 what you have effectively lost 10 years ago and which moreover never belonged to you. Stop with this pathetic theatre please!

The most perturbing thing is that EULEX was supposed to be MONITORING mission while actually is a decision-making mission- a real and sole actor.

Today Thaci says that he had been thinking in two occasions to resign: ones when 6 point plan was included in UN report and the second time now with the protocol EULEX-MUP.

Well Thaci do us a favour and especially to the state of Kosova- resign, so we can finally understand if the autonomous-decision-making-initiatives of EULEX are to undermine your personality or Kosova's statehoodnes.

We deserve to see clearly if EU is thinking that your Govt needs a babysitting or Kosova as country and to which extent: justice and police or also in international relations?? And then perhaps we can define the goals and times of the babysitting- clearly and openly. So do us a favour and resign so we can see EU openly in eyes.

I guess this ‘paternity’ attitude of EU is giving me a reason to think even more towards what I was thinking since 17 Feb 2008- to be independent we must be independent from our friends firstly when we need to define OUR national interests.

I just don’t understand why we should allow these insults form EULEX: if they are monitoring mission than it is me that sign agreements and you monitor/observe what I do. Not the other way around. Stop treating the Kososv’a authorities as imbeciles that do not understand what is in their best interest. You are observers not ACTORS. Stay like that or leave. There is no single K-Albanian that doesn’t understand the importance of EULEX mission but this should not come with the price of deprivation from our sovereign and legitimate decisions.

You are monitoring mission that has to do ONLY with monitoring INTERNAL affairs in Kosova: justice, police- cleverly you watched out from taking any responsibility in economy where the real hard work is- but not about Kosova’s relations with foreign countries.

damn right it establishes borders, the only problem with us in camp "Kosova" this agreement doesnt hold as many advantages as serbia gets that's all.

"At least some smart serbs saying the truth."
Demi

Ha ha ha! As soon as someone says something that is in the interest of Albanians it's "the truth". How pathetic!
Kosovo will never be independent! Parhaps to Albanian imagination but never in reality.

Well, actually it does exactly the opposite: it says that Kosovo is a Serbian province.

This deal is in the framework of 1244.

But is time there is a mutual agreed deal!

Ha ha ha! As soon as someone says something that is in the interest of Albanians it's "the truth". How pathetic!
Kosovo will never be independent! Parhaps to Albanian imagination but never in reality.
(MikeC, 14 September 2009 23:11)


Well it is the truth and Kostunica is just telling you. The only reason the Kosovo goverment rejected it was because Serbia could sign it without serbs protesting against it. It is vital for the Kosovo goverment, US and Eu to make sure Tadic stay in power. But Tadic has to play the game en make desicions smothly so the radicals wont wake up. As I mentioned it before I bet Tadic and Thaci have sectret phonecalls to each other on occations to make sure that the independence of Kosovo is going smothly and safe. Tadic is a smart person and he knowes that Serbia will never gain sovergnity over Kosovo so he is trying now to win somthing from EU insted.


But to you and many here it seems like you don't really know who will gain more from this protocol. Albanians or serbs.

"There is nothing to be confirmed, there is a border and everybody knows that. We had the borders in 1912, in 1941, in 1989 as well as in 1999 when Serb troops were to be outside the Kosova’s borders including 5km buffer zone inside Serbia."

Mr Predictor - do You remember, that in 1912 Kosovo was part of Turkey and in 1941 part of fascist Italian/German puppet albanian state?? And do You know that in 1941-45 North Kosovo was still part of Serbia and South Kosovo - part of Bulgaria?? In 1989 - was any border between Kosovo and Serbia. Was only first UDI - but at this time World supported unity of Serbia.

You have very interesting point of wiev...

Minal wrote:

Mr Predictor - do You remember, that in 1912 Kosovo was part of Turkey and in 1941 part of fascist Italian/German puppet albanian state?? And do You know that in 1941-45 North Kosovo was still part of Serbia and South Kosovo - part of Bulgaria?? In 1989 - was any border between Kosovo and Serbia. Was only first UDI - but at this time World supported unity of Serbia.

You have very interesting point of wiev...
(Milan, 15 September 2009 15:57)

Milan, you should realize one thing at last that Kosova’s borders are natural borders and not artificial ones, what logically gives you an answer, right, secondly, it is true about Kosova being under Turkey in 1912 within the today’s borders what gives you a second argument, but never as part of Serbia, until was occupied (but never succeeded to annex it) during the Balkan and WW I war in 1913-1915 and was actually split between Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Austro Hungarians until was entirely occupied bu Serbs in 1918. It was an unified territory with Albania during the WW II, what gives you another argument that we had our borders at that time too, we had our borders even under communist occupation too, and in the beginning it was called “Autonomna oblast Kosova” (Autonomous area of Kosovo), to get its constitution and name of Autonomous province in 1974, respecting the borders of 1912 which are also today’s existing borders.

'damn right it establishes borders, the only problem with us in camp "Kosova" this agreement doesnt hold as many advantages as serbia gets that's all.'

Serbia gets 3 boxes (with all 3 agreements) checked off on its to-do list for visa liberalization. The same boxes will be already be checked off for Kosova, right, when it applies? And Kosova gets extra economic benefits for signing the deal that Serbia doesn't. I truly don't see the problem.

predictor:

1. "but never as part of Serbia"

So - where was Kosovo from Stefan Namanja until Đurađ Branković?? (North Kosovo was part of Serbia/Raška much earlier and was NEVER part of any albanian state).

2. "until was occupied (but never succeeded to annex it) during the Balkan and WW I war in 1913-1915 and was actually split between Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Austro Hungarians until was entirely occupied bu Serbs in 1918"

Do You know "Treaty of London" from 1913?? The Vilayet of Kosovo was divided among Serbia, Montenegro and newly created Albania. So - after Treaty, all these coutries oficially recognized new borders (incl. Albania). So - from 1913 were not "occupation". And Kosovo was not in "today borders". All new territories were divided in 24th August 1913 for 11 new regions (okrug). There was not any "Kosovo" okrug. In Serb ruled Kingdom of Serbs Croat and Slovenians (later Yugoslavia) Kosovo was part of three banovinas: Zetsku, Moravsku and Vardarsku.

In 1941-45 PART of today Kosovo was part of albanian puppet state - Velika Albanija.

Today borders of Kosovo (as Autonomna Pokrajina Kosovo i Metohija) was created by Croatian Josip Broz Tito after Second World war. Kosovo was AUTONOMOUS PROVINCE OF SERBIA.

Not for Kosovo to be taken, but for Serbia to give it away.
--
Kosova was lost in 1999, Serbia can only delay the inevitable. After Slobo kept breaking promises to the West and after what was done in Bosnia and Kosova US decided to get involved. Then it was over. Do you think nothing would change after all that mobilization of some 27 nations? The West things long term, very long term. Example: Thatcher opposed German unification because they feared Germany would start another war (3 in 70 years). With Serbia coddling China and Russia even more, the West is even more certain it made the right decision.

Those that see the West's hand behind Vojvodina are right as well. The west wants a "contained" Serbia surrounded by Croats, Albanians and Bosnjaci. Empire building is out... unless it's the big powers owning our economies. Small countries must stay quiet or else.

I think people in Serbia are sensing that things regarding Kosovo are finally being are soon to become part of history.

Kosovo is totally INDEPENDENT from Serbia. I dont think Kostunica is the cleaverest to sense this, especially with the last signing of Border control, and teh subsequent signings.

The proper establishment KPS control of the Kosovar-Serbian border with customes and tax will mark the new beginning of the bilatral relations between teh two statets Kosova and Serbia.

Things are rounding up in the favour of Balkan peace stability.

Peace to all

Slobo it's not so tragic!

You cannot lose in 2009 what you have effectively lost 10 years ago and which moreover never belonged to you. Stop with this pathetic theatre please!

The most perturbing thing is that EULEX was supposed to be MONITORING mission while actually is a decision-making mission- a real and sole actor.

Today Thaci says that he had been thinking in two occasions to resign: ones when 6 point plan was included in UN report and the second time now with the protocol EULEX-MUP.

Well Thaci do us a favour and especially to the state of Kosova- resign, so we can finally understand if the autonomous-decision-making-initiatives of EULEX are to undermine your personality or Kosova's statehoodnes.

We deserve to see clearly if EU is thinking that your Govt needs a babysitting or Kosova as country and to which extent: justice and police or also in international relations?? And then perhaps we can define the goals and times of the babysitting- clearly and openly. So do us a favour and resign so we can see EU openly in eyes.

I guess this ‘paternity’ attitude of EU is giving me a reason to think even more towards what I was thinking since 17 Feb 2008- to be independent we must be independent from our friends firstly when we need to define OUR national interests.

I just don’t understand why we should allow these insults form EULEX: if they are monitoring mission than it is me that sign agreements and you monitor/observe what I do. Not the other way around. Stop treating the Kososv’a authorities as imbeciles that do not understand what is in their best interest. You are observers not ACTORS. Stay like that or leave. There is no single K-Albanian that doesn’t understand the importance of EULEX mission but this should not come with the price of deprivation from our sovereign and legitimate decisions.

You are monitoring mission that has to do ONLY with monitoring INTERNAL affairs in Kosova: justice, police- cleverly you watched out from taking any responsibility in economy where the real hard work is- but not about Kosova’s relations with foreign countries.

At least some smart serbs saying the truth.

I think Thaci and Tadic have their plans together how Serbia would give up Kosovo and how Kosovo will gain sovergnity over the whole territory. It was only a game that Thaci and Sejdiu diden't agree with the protocol. A game to made serbs think they are victory with this protocol so they woulden't protest.

Everything is a game folks. I bet that Tadic and Thaci have talks over the phone and are making plans how everything should go smoth. Tadic is smart enough not to fight a lost battle.

“Samardžić said that the protocol confirmed the existence of a border between Serbia and Kosovo for the first time”….

There is nothing to be confirmed, there is a border and everybody knows that. We had the borders in 1912, in 1941, in 1989 as well as in 1999 when Serb troops were to be outside the Kosova’s borders including 5km buffer zone inside Serbia.
But, it is the first time that government of Serbia signs agreement to cooperate with its newest neighbor and its authorities, though through EULEX as mediator. This will also not be the last agreement, as we are expecting soon two other protocols to be signed, customs cooperation as well as justice cooperation between two countries, as cooperation in these areas between the countries is essential to keep the Balkans but also Europe and further in a good and safe position.

Albanians aren't happy, Serbs aren't happy, no one is happy.

The argument that a protocol will bring down cross-border crime / smuggling is farce.

What does this protocol REALLY establish??

damn right it establishes borders, the only problem with us in camp "Kosova" this agreement doesnt hold as many advantages as serbia gets that's all.

Well, actually it does exactly the opposite: it says that Kosovo is a Serbian province.

This deal is in the framework of 1244.

But is time there is a mutual agreed deal!

"At least some smart serbs saying the truth."
Demi

Ha ha ha! As soon as someone says something that is in the interest of Albanians it's "the truth". How pathetic!
Kosovo will never be independent! Parhaps to Albanian imagination but never in reality.

'damn right it establishes borders, the only problem with us in camp "Kosova" this agreement doesnt hold as many advantages as serbia gets that's all.'

Serbia gets 3 boxes (with all 3 agreements) checked off on its to-do list for visa liberalization. The same boxes will be already be checked off for Kosova, right, when it applies? And Kosova gets extra economic benefits for signing the deal that Serbia doesn't. I truly don't see the problem.

"There is nothing to be confirmed, there is a border and everybody knows that. We had the borders in 1912, in 1941, in 1989 as well as in 1999 when Serb troops were to be outside the Kosova’s borders including 5km buffer zone inside Serbia."

Mr Predictor - do You remember, that in 1912 Kosovo was part of Turkey and in 1941 part of fascist Italian/German puppet albanian state?? And do You know that in 1941-45 North Kosovo was still part of Serbia and South Kosovo - part of Bulgaria?? In 1989 - was any border between Kosovo and Serbia. Was only first UDI - but at this time World supported unity of Serbia.

You have very interesting point of wiev...

predictor:

1. "but never as part of Serbia"

So - where was Kosovo from Stefan Namanja until Đurađ Branković?? (North Kosovo was part of Serbia/Raška much earlier and was NEVER part of any albanian state).

2. "until was occupied (but never succeeded to annex it) during the Balkan and WW I war in 1913-1915 and was actually split between Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Austro Hungarians until was entirely occupied bu Serbs in 1918"

Do You know "Treaty of London" from 1913?? The Vilayet of Kosovo was divided among Serbia, Montenegro and newly created Albania. So - after Treaty, all these coutries oficially recognized new borders (incl. Albania). So - from 1913 were not "occupation". And Kosovo was not in "today borders". All new territories were divided in 24th August 1913 for 11 new regions (okrug). There was not any "Kosovo" okrug. In Serb ruled Kingdom of Serbs Croat and Slovenians (later Yugoslavia) Kosovo was part of three banovinas: Zetsku, Moravsku and Vardarsku.

In 1941-45 PART of today Kosovo was part of albanian puppet state - Velika Albanija.

Today borders of Kosovo (as Autonomna Pokrajina Kosovo i Metohija) was created by Croatian Josip Broz Tito after Second World war. Kosovo was AUTONOMOUS PROVINCE OF SERBIA.

Ha ha ha! As soon as someone says something that is in the interest of Albanians it's "the truth". How pathetic!
Kosovo will never be independent! Parhaps to Albanian imagination but never in reality.
(MikeC, 14 September 2009 23:11)


Well it is the truth and Kostunica is just telling you. The only reason the Kosovo goverment rejected it was because Serbia could sign it without serbs protesting against it. It is vital for the Kosovo goverment, US and Eu to make sure Tadic stay in power. But Tadic has to play the game en make desicions smothly so the radicals wont wake up. As I mentioned it before I bet Tadic and Thaci have sectret phonecalls to each other on occations to make sure that the independence of Kosovo is going smothly and safe. Tadic is a smart person and he knowes that Serbia will never gain sovergnity over Kosovo so he is trying now to win somthing from EU insted.


But to you and many here it seems like you don't really know who will gain more from this protocol. Albanians or serbs.

Minal wrote:

Mr Predictor - do You remember, that in 1912 Kosovo was part of Turkey and in 1941 part of fascist Italian/German puppet albanian state?? And do You know that in 1941-45 North Kosovo was still part of Serbia and South Kosovo - part of Bulgaria?? In 1989 - was any border between Kosovo and Serbia. Was only first UDI - but at this time World supported unity of Serbia.

You have very interesting point of wiev...
(Milan, 15 September 2009 15:57)

Milan, you should realize one thing at last that Kosova’s borders are natural borders and not artificial ones, what logically gives you an answer, right, secondly, it is true about Kosova being under Turkey in 1912 within the today’s borders what gives you a second argument, but never as part of Serbia, until was occupied (but never succeeded to annex it) during the Balkan and WW I war in 1913-1915 and was actually split between Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Austro Hungarians until was entirely occupied bu Serbs in 1918. It was an unified territory with Albania during the WW II, what gives you another argument that we had our borders at that time too, we had our borders even under communist occupation too, and in the beginning it was called “Autonomna oblast Kosova” (Autonomous area of Kosovo), to get its constitution and name of Autonomous province in 1974, respecting the borders of 1912 which are also today’s existing borders.