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Monday, 14.09.2009.

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Mayor hoping for trouble-free Pride Parade

Belgrade Mayor Dragan Đilas has condemned the possibility of attacks on revelers during this week’s Gay Pride Parade.

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Irnbru

pre 14 godina

The way I view this is that I don’t particularly like the “in your face” sexuality but I can fully understand why. Many of these gays have been cooked up inside themselves going through mental turmoil and abuse inflicted by a society that sees them as freak and perverts. Once out they want to fight against it and highlight the issues. They certainly achieve that don’t they?

I bet most of you will be the same as me in saying that if someone asked you, who do you think turned out to be gay from our school? You would guess 100% correct. The point I am making is that there are gay people and they are like that from a young age. We don’t make them that way and accepting that won’t encourage more to become gays. But it might save a lot of failed or miserable marriages when people try to be what they are not. It might save a few suicides whilst young people cannot handle what they are within the confines of a society that sees them as freaks and prevents. It might make the lives of some gay young men and women a little bit more tolerable. Remember, it could be your son or daughter.

I await the religious indignation…

konstantin gregovic

pre 14 godina

In my view, everyone has the right to be differenet from the socially acceptable, but do not be PROUD of it and do not insult the ones that gave them rights recently.
(Hruz, 14 September 2009 14:53)

Good comment Hruz. The day is coming where all Churches will be united for the wrong reasons.

They will be united under the guidance of this perverse New World Order. It will only take strong leadership of all churches to avert this disaster.

Nobody is denying the rights of Homosexuals but abiding Christians should not be labelled "Homophobic" which is a decriminatory practice among the "Gay" community.

If Homosexuality was normal, then the human race would not exist because we could not reproduce.

H

pre 14 godina

Roberto,

Democracy does not mean that everybody can do anything, however pervert (or sorry) revolutionary/different it is.

Like it or not, Europe was built upon principles of Christianity that values heterosexual, monogamic relations, even if it sounds old fashioned to some.

By misinterpreting rule of law, one can easily arrive to anarchy, where individualism rules over community, so that everybody does what they want. In this respect we can forget laws (mandatory patterns of behaviour dictated by majority) and do what we want because we have the inalianable right to.

The homeless can surely justify why they mug people on the metro, however the majority population regards this as a crime.

The gay minority has the right to exist, exercise their way of life, even to march, but unfortunately (for the gay) they went too far in.

Provoking the majority and test where their tolerance ends by desacrating religious symbols goes beyond justifiable.

Gay community achieves only a stronger derision by the public, because these parades magnify the oddity and perversity of this community even more.

I am sure, a gay couple does not walk on the street almost naked, wearing a huge crucifix and exchangin saliva publicly.

GRUK

pre 14 godina

what an idiotic and ill informed comment about paedophile parade. Peadophilia is a revulsive crime perpetrated by adults on children. The majority of paedophilia is commited by adult males on female children. This does not mean that heterosexual males are paedophiles. Saying such a thing is just plain dumb. I'm wondering about the motives who contiue to equate paedophilia with homosexuality. Perhaps they are simply uneducated; perhaps they crave justification (however illogical) for their bigoted views.

peace and respect to all lawful citizens

raso

pre 14 godina

i wonder why the censor has a problem with a simple question: will my children have to watch a paedophile-parade too?

this is nothing extraordinary, at least in the west. imediatly after liberalizing law on this pervert issues, the paedophiles of the netherlands wanted to form a party and liberalize that perverted issue too ...

even B92, blind on this eye and equating civil rights like anti-fascists with these people without issue but with bad taste, reported about the paedophile party in the netherlands ...

Leonidas

pre 14 godina

My country Greece invented homosexuality, along with democracy, medicine, mathematics and many other things that have enriched humanity. Our Orthodox brothers in Serbia should learn to love their brothers too.

raso

pre 14 godina

well, well, the provocateurs hope it won´t end as at the first provocation.

don´t really know why, as it worked and the city had it´s peace for 8 years.

and no mr.democratic cop, not everyone can parade the streets.

there is still something called moral and law.

roberto

pre 14 godina

...Serbia, look to those who support Pride. Those are the true leaders.

Peace and respect to all
(GRUK, 14 September 2009 15:58)

Dear GRUK: i've read any number of your past postings and am often impressed, but this was perhaps the most moving. thanks so much. your words may be lost on some, but certainly not me.

also, i want to thank b-92 for ONE thing: their coverage of lgbt issues in the balkans, at least serbia. and i am one of their most passionate critics, at least for the last 3 years or so, so that is saying a lot. i just wish that such a progressive attitude showed in other areas.

sorry folks -- democracy and respect for human rights are not "imported from america", western europe, wherever. there are centuries-old strands of democracy and acceptance of multi-cultural values throughout the balkans, obviously greece (duh) but also throughout balkan history. we just have to tease it out, that's all. obviously serbia has historically been affected to no small degree by the shadow of the byzantine empire, which remained esp.ly rigid and hierarchical for centuries. but it doesn't mean that the east is destined to always cling to the worst of the past, that is simply unacceptable determinism. we are what we make ourselves, what WE choose for our own societies.

in addition, this issue of "perversity" is just ridiculous, and offensive. god knows, or cares, what all the rest of you do in bed, or wherever, or for that matter DON'T do. i don't care, and it doesn't make you somehow superior if you just do it with yr spouse in the missionary position. it sounds like something the (britt) puritans invented, more judgmental than (most of) the ancient hebrews ever were, i am quite sure.

the issue IS very much one of human rights, and bias, discrimination and violence against minorities, in this case the lgbt minority. and they are present in each and every society, sometimes recognizable by outsiders, sometimes not. some are religious, deeply religious, and some are utter atheists (who cares?) some are wealthy professionals, some utterly destitute. of every stripe, color, gender; some of you just have no clue, and yr ignorance is not bliss, either for yourself or for society as a whole.

these homophobic accusations are so old-hat to me, and i hardly had to schlepp to the balkans to hear such foolishness -- we heard such things growing up in detroit, and i still hear the most ignorant judgments from frnds and people that sure as hell ought to know better. my biggest problem is my limited patience at bigotry, regardless of the accent, and that ain't getting any better.

my advice: if you're a big time homophobe, stay far away from these lgbt events, and don't even watch the news that day. pack the family off to the beach or wherever.

but if you do believe in democracy and human rights, even just a little, then find some way to support the participants, either by enlightening bigoted frnds and acquaintances, sending a supportive letter/email to the media, or actually joining the parade, perhaps as a "str8t supporter." you'll be the better person for it, and surprise surprise, will actually be doing god's work.

thank you.

roberto/ frisco

An American

pre 14 godina

I still do not understand the necessity for a group to publicly display their sexual perversities and to equate such acts to that of a race or nationality. Our politicians and lawmakers, here, have dragged the moral values of my country into the gutter by catering to such vile demands of those who want to forcefully have us accept their obscenity and by having the audacity to call it "democracy"!

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

“Anyone can schedule a gathering. For example, I can schedule a gathering with polar bears in the city and walk through the city with the polar bears.

What a stupid analogy to calm belgraders and justify a gay parade.
Belgrade's a metropolitan city and should start behaving as one in all aspects of daily life.

No wonder LDP is doing well in Belgrades local elections.
I don't mind DS being a leader in parlimentary elecetions but LDP should do even better in local elections.

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

This event should be interesting, remember 2004?
If you are LGBT, great, good for you, keep it to yourself and stop pushing it on others. I don't see us having Heterosexual Parades?
They will get what's coming to them and hopefully they will understand that they have asked for it.
This is not EU, this is SERBIA!

szemi

pre 14 godina

Well what went on in Budapest is much more than a simple scandal.First of all the main arteries were closed a day before:I live in Király street about 100 meters from where this march of exibitionists (because this is what they are IMO normal gays who do not want to provoke majority stayed out of these show and I do not think that are too happy that some sick provocators represent their "rights").My neighbour's car which was parked about 50 meters from the route(in his habitual place BTW)was taken away by police the night before the march and he could not take his family for the weekend trip to lake Balaton,old people protesting against the march were beaten by policeman,families had a weekend destroyed because the march took place in parks and strolling roads often visited by parents with kids.Shops in the central zone had to be closed because people were unable to approach them and it was also impossible at the last weekend of high season for tourists to approach the most important sights and museum.This is all big loss to economy together with the billions of forints which had to be paid to secure these exibitionists.Of cours both domestic and international media failded to report these things they concentrated on a small group of neo-nazis trying to say that they were the only protesters.Olsd and cheap trick.Here on these forum there are many ortodox christians,catholics,some protestans and etc.We waged wars against each others and coused many wounds in the past.However nothing has ever been so destructive and dangerous to Europe as these sorosian pink revolution .In the long run it can cause much bigger demographic problem to our continent than WW1 and WW2 together.

GRUK

pre 14 godina

Like many people in Serbia and across the world, I grew weary of the biased bigoted thinking that labelled all Serbs as aggressors and all others as innocents in the troubles of the 1990s. Of course this is rubbish – but the myth was (sometimes still is) something that isolated and marginalised all of Serbia. We all know that the truth is complex - and complex thinking is something that those with small and closed minds cannot bear.

Now fast forward a decade, and use “gay” and not “Serb” and we once again see examples of bigoted closed minds (this time within Serbia). With some, there seems to be an automatic assumption that gay is related to “deviance” and “perversion”; that gays are “doomed” and will face “judgement”. These are all words used by contributors to this discussion – just scroll up. They have even associated gay with paedophilia. (reminiscent of automatic association of “serb” with “aggressor”).

Felix and Logic, please note that my earlier comments specifically state that every peaceful “law abiding” citizen deserves respect – the law abiding part is crucial. Respecting law abiding citizens ought to be a standard of civility that Serbia should (and can) achieve. Serbia has a choice; repeal the laws that prohibit discrimination and join the rouge states that do not respect it’s own citizens (so one does not have to be burdened with the niceties of civilised behaviour). Or you can try to understand why countries need such laws to protect minorities

Peace and respect to all who respect the law!

Logic

pre 14 godina

GRUK wrote:

"Why is it that nobody from governing political parties feels able to publicly support Pride. The same goes for the police and other government institutions"

Why do you need the public exhibition of the political support from government and other political parties? After all, you are not marching to the war to save the country from an enemy and expect the flowers and applause. You are not marching to save the Serbian economy either.Just parading through the streets for your personal cause. And you have your right to parade granted.
But why do you call Serbia to look up to your supporters as to the "true leaders"? Not more,not less - the entire country should agree with your standards?
And GRUK, let's not overdo it. It appears that you are using the word "Pride"("the values of Pride") as a synonym for a gay and lesbian segment of the whole population! Further, you state to HRUZ:"...everybody is different. You are unique and should be PROUD".
Not really.Being unique is not necessarily positive.In contrary,examples abundant.
So,GRUK, live your life in your own way, and let others do the same.

Felix, Romania

pre 14 godina

Hruz, great comment: I was unaware that in Budapest these people went so far, there has been absolutely no media coverage of this here in Romania, which suggests a media manipulation in favour of them.

With regards to the claims of rights for the "minority", the zoophiles are also a "minority" doing no harm to others but they are still slaves of a disgusting deviation. Now, since they say "Peace and respect to all", then peace to them. Regarding respect, I don't know: they should probably better respect our majority right to be disgusted.

Pedophiles, anyone? How about THEIR rights?

Lenard

pre 14 godina

In the west they have all kind of perversions that dose not make them right or to be condoned or supported. Where will the line of Gods moral laws for society will be drawn it looks like no where. With the propaganda of all the different sexual deviance and that a moral society has to tolerate what a fars. When the leaders like in the west join even march in the perversion spectacle of the pride parades. You can expect Gods judgment's just like on the Sodomites city & Gomorrah. God did not make Adam and Steve. God is not mocked a society that tolerates perversions and sin is doomed.

Douglas

pre 14 godina

This is Serbia brother- pravloslavno! There is not a place for this kind of Parade in Belgrade. WHy are opposition voices to this being silenced...

Dragoslav

pre 14 godina

Hruz great comment.This is soros's open society at work.They would to degrade society to a point where religion and family are totally perverted.In north america they are trying to intruduce gay understanding in schools.They are trying to confuse the youth.I hope my brother Serbs welcome them like they would any enemy of our church and nation.God bless Serbia and our holy church.

niko kurkuli

pre 14 godina

serbia and serbian people should be proud of this parade.serbia is the second country in europe after greece for having high numbers of gay community .

GRUK

pre 14 godina

Why is it that nobody from governing political parties feels able to publicly support Pride. The same goes for the police and other government institutions. The mayor of Belgrade and the police chief seem hell bent on telling us that they don’t accept the values of Pride. What values don’t they accept? Values of peacefulness, respect for self and others, an ability to live alongside people and families who are different?

In response to the earlier comment by Hruz; we are all different. You are unique and should be PROUD. I’m sure you would be amazed if someone told you that you shouldn’t be proud. Every peaceful law abiding citizen deserves that right. It’s just a massive pity that folks like Hruz, the elected and civil leaders of Serbia feel happy to marginalise and judge others.

Serbia, look to those who support Pride. Those are the true leaders.

Peace and respect to all

Hruz

pre 14 godina

One of the side effects of democracy imported from the West is that groups of people with extreme views or lifestyles have come to the conclusion that they have the right not just being tolerated but promoted.

In Budapest, they have gone too far insulting the majority population by wearing big crosses in their neck while french- kissing each other, almost naked.

Needless to say, the counter demonstrators were labeled nazies and intolerant.

To give an indication how unscrupulous the organizers were, they even protested against Police when asked to refrain from breaching public moral this year and avoid wearing religious symbols...

Of course tax payers picked up the bill for thousands of Police officer's overtime and shutting down half the city.

In my view, everyone has the right to be differenet from the socially acceptable, but do not be PROUD of it and do not insult the ones that gave them rights recently.

Hruz

pre 14 godina

One of the side effects of democracy imported from the West is that groups of people with extreme views or lifestyles have come to the conclusion that they have the right not just being tolerated but promoted.

In Budapest, they have gone too far insulting the majority population by wearing big crosses in their neck while french- kissing each other, almost naked.

Needless to say, the counter demonstrators were labeled nazies and intolerant.

To give an indication how unscrupulous the organizers were, they even protested against Police when asked to refrain from breaching public moral this year and avoid wearing religious symbols...

Of course tax payers picked up the bill for thousands of Police officer's overtime and shutting down half the city.

In my view, everyone has the right to be differenet from the socially acceptable, but do not be PROUD of it and do not insult the ones that gave them rights recently.

Dragoslav

pre 14 godina

Hruz great comment.This is soros's open society at work.They would to degrade society to a point where religion and family are totally perverted.In north america they are trying to intruduce gay understanding in schools.They are trying to confuse the youth.I hope my brother Serbs welcome them like they would any enemy of our church and nation.God bless Serbia and our holy church.

Douglas

pre 14 godina

This is Serbia brother- pravloslavno! There is not a place for this kind of Parade in Belgrade. WHy are opposition voices to this being silenced...

GRUK

pre 14 godina

Why is it that nobody from governing political parties feels able to publicly support Pride. The same goes for the police and other government institutions. The mayor of Belgrade and the police chief seem hell bent on telling us that they don’t accept the values of Pride. What values don’t they accept? Values of peacefulness, respect for self and others, an ability to live alongside people and families who are different?

In response to the earlier comment by Hruz; we are all different. You are unique and should be PROUD. I’m sure you would be amazed if someone told you that you shouldn’t be proud. Every peaceful law abiding citizen deserves that right. It’s just a massive pity that folks like Hruz, the elected and civil leaders of Serbia feel happy to marginalise and judge others.

Serbia, look to those who support Pride. Those are the true leaders.

Peace and respect to all

niko kurkuli

pre 14 godina

serbia and serbian people should be proud of this parade.serbia is the second country in europe after greece for having high numbers of gay community .

Lenard

pre 14 godina

In the west they have all kind of perversions that dose not make them right or to be condoned or supported. Where will the line of Gods moral laws for society will be drawn it looks like no where. With the propaganda of all the different sexual deviance and that a moral society has to tolerate what a fars. When the leaders like in the west join even march in the perversion spectacle of the pride parades. You can expect Gods judgment's just like on the Sodomites city & Gomorrah. God did not make Adam and Steve. God is not mocked a society that tolerates perversions and sin is doomed.

raso

pre 14 godina

well, well, the provocateurs hope it won´t end as at the first provocation.

don´t really know why, as it worked and the city had it´s peace for 8 years.

and no mr.democratic cop, not everyone can parade the streets.

there is still something called moral and law.

Felix, Romania

pre 14 godina

Hruz, great comment: I was unaware that in Budapest these people went so far, there has been absolutely no media coverage of this here in Romania, which suggests a media manipulation in favour of them.

With regards to the claims of rights for the "minority", the zoophiles are also a "minority" doing no harm to others but they are still slaves of a disgusting deviation. Now, since they say "Peace and respect to all", then peace to them. Regarding respect, I don't know: they should probably better respect our majority right to be disgusted.

Pedophiles, anyone? How about THEIR rights?

Logic

pre 14 godina

GRUK wrote:

"Why is it that nobody from governing political parties feels able to publicly support Pride. The same goes for the police and other government institutions"

Why do you need the public exhibition of the political support from government and other political parties? After all, you are not marching to the war to save the country from an enemy and expect the flowers and applause. You are not marching to save the Serbian economy either.Just parading through the streets for your personal cause. And you have your right to parade granted.
But why do you call Serbia to look up to your supporters as to the "true leaders"? Not more,not less - the entire country should agree with your standards?
And GRUK, let's not overdo it. It appears that you are using the word "Pride"("the values of Pride") as a synonym for a gay and lesbian segment of the whole population! Further, you state to HRUZ:"...everybody is different. You are unique and should be PROUD".
Not really.Being unique is not necessarily positive.In contrary,examples abundant.
So,GRUK, live your life in your own way, and let others do the same.

GRUK

pre 14 godina

Like many people in Serbia and across the world, I grew weary of the biased bigoted thinking that labelled all Serbs as aggressors and all others as innocents in the troubles of the 1990s. Of course this is rubbish – but the myth was (sometimes still is) something that isolated and marginalised all of Serbia. We all know that the truth is complex - and complex thinking is something that those with small and closed minds cannot bear.

Now fast forward a decade, and use “gay” and not “Serb” and we once again see examples of bigoted closed minds (this time within Serbia). With some, there seems to be an automatic assumption that gay is related to “deviance” and “perversion”; that gays are “doomed” and will face “judgement”. These are all words used by contributors to this discussion – just scroll up. They have even associated gay with paedophilia. (reminiscent of automatic association of “serb” with “aggressor”).

Felix and Logic, please note that my earlier comments specifically state that every peaceful “law abiding” citizen deserves respect – the law abiding part is crucial. Respecting law abiding citizens ought to be a standard of civility that Serbia should (and can) achieve. Serbia has a choice; repeal the laws that prohibit discrimination and join the rouge states that do not respect it’s own citizens (so one does not have to be burdened with the niceties of civilised behaviour). Or you can try to understand why countries need such laws to protect minorities

Peace and respect to all who respect the law!

An American

pre 14 godina

I still do not understand the necessity for a group to publicly display their sexual perversities and to equate such acts to that of a race or nationality. Our politicians and lawmakers, here, have dragged the moral values of my country into the gutter by catering to such vile demands of those who want to forcefully have us accept their obscenity and by having the audacity to call it "democracy"!

raso

pre 14 godina

i wonder why the censor has a problem with a simple question: will my children have to watch a paedophile-parade too?

this is nothing extraordinary, at least in the west. imediatly after liberalizing law on this pervert issues, the paedophiles of the netherlands wanted to form a party and liberalize that perverted issue too ...

even B92, blind on this eye and equating civil rights like anti-fascists with these people without issue but with bad taste, reported about the paedophile party in the netherlands ...

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

This event should be interesting, remember 2004?
If you are LGBT, great, good for you, keep it to yourself and stop pushing it on others. I don't see us having Heterosexual Parades?
They will get what's coming to them and hopefully they will understand that they have asked for it.
This is not EU, this is SERBIA!

roberto

pre 14 godina

...Serbia, look to those who support Pride. Those are the true leaders.

Peace and respect to all
(GRUK, 14 September 2009 15:58)

Dear GRUK: i've read any number of your past postings and am often impressed, but this was perhaps the most moving. thanks so much. your words may be lost on some, but certainly not me.

also, i want to thank b-92 for ONE thing: their coverage of lgbt issues in the balkans, at least serbia. and i am one of their most passionate critics, at least for the last 3 years or so, so that is saying a lot. i just wish that such a progressive attitude showed in other areas.

sorry folks -- democracy and respect for human rights are not "imported from america", western europe, wherever. there are centuries-old strands of democracy and acceptance of multi-cultural values throughout the balkans, obviously greece (duh) but also throughout balkan history. we just have to tease it out, that's all. obviously serbia has historically been affected to no small degree by the shadow of the byzantine empire, which remained esp.ly rigid and hierarchical for centuries. but it doesn't mean that the east is destined to always cling to the worst of the past, that is simply unacceptable determinism. we are what we make ourselves, what WE choose for our own societies.

in addition, this issue of "perversity" is just ridiculous, and offensive. god knows, or cares, what all the rest of you do in bed, or wherever, or for that matter DON'T do. i don't care, and it doesn't make you somehow superior if you just do it with yr spouse in the missionary position. it sounds like something the (britt) puritans invented, more judgmental than (most of) the ancient hebrews ever were, i am quite sure.

the issue IS very much one of human rights, and bias, discrimination and violence against minorities, in this case the lgbt minority. and they are present in each and every society, sometimes recognizable by outsiders, sometimes not. some are religious, deeply religious, and some are utter atheists (who cares?) some are wealthy professionals, some utterly destitute. of every stripe, color, gender; some of you just have no clue, and yr ignorance is not bliss, either for yourself or for society as a whole.

these homophobic accusations are so old-hat to me, and i hardly had to schlepp to the balkans to hear such foolishness -- we heard such things growing up in detroit, and i still hear the most ignorant judgments from frnds and people that sure as hell ought to know better. my biggest problem is my limited patience at bigotry, regardless of the accent, and that ain't getting any better.

my advice: if you're a big time homophobe, stay far away from these lgbt events, and don't even watch the news that day. pack the family off to the beach or wherever.

but if you do believe in democracy and human rights, even just a little, then find some way to support the participants, either by enlightening bigoted frnds and acquaintances, sending a supportive letter/email to the media, or actually joining the parade, perhaps as a "str8t supporter." you'll be the better person for it, and surprise surprise, will actually be doing god's work.

thank you.

roberto/ frisco

szemi

pre 14 godina

Well what went on in Budapest is much more than a simple scandal.First of all the main arteries were closed a day before:I live in Király street about 100 meters from where this march of exibitionists (because this is what they are IMO normal gays who do not want to provoke majority stayed out of these show and I do not think that are too happy that some sick provocators represent their "rights").My neighbour's car which was parked about 50 meters from the route(in his habitual place BTW)was taken away by police the night before the march and he could not take his family for the weekend trip to lake Balaton,old people protesting against the march were beaten by policeman,families had a weekend destroyed because the march took place in parks and strolling roads often visited by parents with kids.Shops in the central zone had to be closed because people were unable to approach them and it was also impossible at the last weekend of high season for tourists to approach the most important sights and museum.This is all big loss to economy together with the billions of forints which had to be paid to secure these exibitionists.Of cours both domestic and international media failded to report these things they concentrated on a small group of neo-nazis trying to say that they were the only protesters.Olsd and cheap trick.Here on these forum there are many ortodox christians,catholics,some protestans and etc.We waged wars against each others and coused many wounds in the past.However nothing has ever been so destructive and dangerous to Europe as these sorosian pink revolution .In the long run it can cause much bigger demographic problem to our continent than WW1 and WW2 together.

Leonidas

pre 14 godina

My country Greece invented homosexuality, along with democracy, medicine, mathematics and many other things that have enriched humanity. Our Orthodox brothers in Serbia should learn to love their brothers too.

GRUK

pre 14 godina

what an idiotic and ill informed comment about paedophile parade. Peadophilia is a revulsive crime perpetrated by adults on children. The majority of paedophilia is commited by adult males on female children. This does not mean that heterosexual males are paedophiles. Saying such a thing is just plain dumb. I'm wondering about the motives who contiue to equate paedophilia with homosexuality. Perhaps they are simply uneducated; perhaps they crave justification (however illogical) for their bigoted views.

peace and respect to all lawful citizens

konstantin gregovic

pre 14 godina

In my view, everyone has the right to be differenet from the socially acceptable, but do not be PROUD of it and do not insult the ones that gave them rights recently.
(Hruz, 14 September 2009 14:53)

Good comment Hruz. The day is coming where all Churches will be united for the wrong reasons.

They will be united under the guidance of this perverse New World Order. It will only take strong leadership of all churches to avert this disaster.

Nobody is denying the rights of Homosexuals but abiding Christians should not be labelled "Homophobic" which is a decriminatory practice among the "Gay" community.

If Homosexuality was normal, then the human race would not exist because we could not reproduce.

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

“Anyone can schedule a gathering. For example, I can schedule a gathering with polar bears in the city and walk through the city with the polar bears.

What a stupid analogy to calm belgraders and justify a gay parade.
Belgrade's a metropolitan city and should start behaving as one in all aspects of daily life.

No wonder LDP is doing well in Belgrades local elections.
I don't mind DS being a leader in parlimentary elecetions but LDP should do even better in local elections.

Irnbru

pre 14 godina

The way I view this is that I don’t particularly like the “in your face” sexuality but I can fully understand why. Many of these gays have been cooked up inside themselves going through mental turmoil and abuse inflicted by a society that sees them as freak and perverts. Once out they want to fight against it and highlight the issues. They certainly achieve that don’t they?

I bet most of you will be the same as me in saying that if someone asked you, who do you think turned out to be gay from our school? You would guess 100% correct. The point I am making is that there are gay people and they are like that from a young age. We don’t make them that way and accepting that won’t encourage more to become gays. But it might save a lot of failed or miserable marriages when people try to be what they are not. It might save a few suicides whilst young people cannot handle what they are within the confines of a society that sees them as freaks and prevents. It might make the lives of some gay young men and women a little bit more tolerable. Remember, it could be your son or daughter.

I await the religious indignation…

H

pre 14 godina

Roberto,

Democracy does not mean that everybody can do anything, however pervert (or sorry) revolutionary/different it is.

Like it or not, Europe was built upon principles of Christianity that values heterosexual, monogamic relations, even if it sounds old fashioned to some.

By misinterpreting rule of law, one can easily arrive to anarchy, where individualism rules over community, so that everybody does what they want. In this respect we can forget laws (mandatory patterns of behaviour dictated by majority) and do what we want because we have the inalianable right to.

The homeless can surely justify why they mug people on the metro, however the majority population regards this as a crime.

The gay minority has the right to exist, exercise their way of life, even to march, but unfortunately (for the gay) they went too far in.

Provoking the majority and test where their tolerance ends by desacrating religious symbols goes beyond justifiable.

Gay community achieves only a stronger derision by the public, because these parades magnify the oddity and perversity of this community even more.

I am sure, a gay couple does not walk on the street almost naked, wearing a huge crucifix and exchangin saliva publicly.

niko kurkuli

pre 14 godina

serbia and serbian people should be proud of this parade.serbia is the second country in europe after greece for having high numbers of gay community .

Hruz

pre 14 godina

One of the side effects of democracy imported from the West is that groups of people with extreme views or lifestyles have come to the conclusion that they have the right not just being tolerated but promoted.

In Budapest, they have gone too far insulting the majority population by wearing big crosses in their neck while french- kissing each other, almost naked.

Needless to say, the counter demonstrators were labeled nazies and intolerant.

To give an indication how unscrupulous the organizers were, they even protested against Police when asked to refrain from breaching public moral this year and avoid wearing religious symbols...

Of course tax payers picked up the bill for thousands of Police officer's overtime and shutting down half the city.

In my view, everyone has the right to be differenet from the socially acceptable, but do not be PROUD of it and do not insult the ones that gave them rights recently.

GRUK

pre 14 godina

Why is it that nobody from governing political parties feels able to publicly support Pride. The same goes for the police and other government institutions. The mayor of Belgrade and the police chief seem hell bent on telling us that they don’t accept the values of Pride. What values don’t they accept? Values of peacefulness, respect for self and others, an ability to live alongside people and families who are different?

In response to the earlier comment by Hruz; we are all different. You are unique and should be PROUD. I’m sure you would be amazed if someone told you that you shouldn’t be proud. Every peaceful law abiding citizen deserves that right. It’s just a massive pity that folks like Hruz, the elected and civil leaders of Serbia feel happy to marginalise and judge others.

Serbia, look to those who support Pride. Those are the true leaders.

Peace and respect to all

Dragoslav

pre 14 godina

Hruz great comment.This is soros's open society at work.They would to degrade society to a point where religion and family are totally perverted.In north america they are trying to intruduce gay understanding in schools.They are trying to confuse the youth.I hope my brother Serbs welcome them like they would any enemy of our church and nation.God bless Serbia and our holy church.

Douglas

pre 14 godina

This is Serbia brother- pravloslavno! There is not a place for this kind of Parade in Belgrade. WHy are opposition voices to this being silenced...

Lenard

pre 14 godina

In the west they have all kind of perversions that dose not make them right or to be condoned or supported. Where will the line of Gods moral laws for society will be drawn it looks like no where. With the propaganda of all the different sexual deviance and that a moral society has to tolerate what a fars. When the leaders like in the west join even march in the perversion spectacle of the pride parades. You can expect Gods judgment's just like on the Sodomites city & Gomorrah. God did not make Adam and Steve. God is not mocked a society that tolerates perversions and sin is doomed.

raso

pre 14 godina

i wonder why the censor has a problem with a simple question: will my children have to watch a paedophile-parade too?

this is nothing extraordinary, at least in the west. imediatly after liberalizing law on this pervert issues, the paedophiles of the netherlands wanted to form a party and liberalize that perverted issue too ...

even B92, blind on this eye and equating civil rights like anti-fascists with these people without issue but with bad taste, reported about the paedophile party in the netherlands ...

raso

pre 14 godina

well, well, the provocateurs hope it won´t end as at the first provocation.

don´t really know why, as it worked and the city had it´s peace for 8 years.

and no mr.democratic cop, not everyone can parade the streets.

there is still something called moral and law.

Irnbru

pre 14 godina

The way I view this is that I don’t particularly like the “in your face” sexuality but I can fully understand why. Many of these gays have been cooked up inside themselves going through mental turmoil and abuse inflicted by a society that sees them as freak and perverts. Once out they want to fight against it and highlight the issues. They certainly achieve that don’t they?

I bet most of you will be the same as me in saying that if someone asked you, who do you think turned out to be gay from our school? You would guess 100% correct. The point I am making is that there are gay people and they are like that from a young age. We don’t make them that way and accepting that won’t encourage more to become gays. But it might save a lot of failed or miserable marriages when people try to be what they are not. It might save a few suicides whilst young people cannot handle what they are within the confines of a society that sees them as freaks and prevents. It might make the lives of some gay young men and women a little bit more tolerable. Remember, it could be your son or daughter.

I await the religious indignation…

An American

pre 14 godina

I still do not understand the necessity for a group to publicly display their sexual perversities and to equate such acts to that of a race or nationality. Our politicians and lawmakers, here, have dragged the moral values of my country into the gutter by catering to such vile demands of those who want to forcefully have us accept their obscenity and by having the audacity to call it "democracy"!

Leonidas

pre 14 godina

My country Greece invented homosexuality, along with democracy, medicine, mathematics and many other things that have enriched humanity. Our Orthodox brothers in Serbia should learn to love their brothers too.

Felix, Romania

pre 14 godina

Hruz, great comment: I was unaware that in Budapest these people went so far, there has been absolutely no media coverage of this here in Romania, which suggests a media manipulation in favour of them.

With regards to the claims of rights for the "minority", the zoophiles are also a "minority" doing no harm to others but they are still slaves of a disgusting deviation. Now, since they say "Peace and respect to all", then peace to them. Regarding respect, I don't know: they should probably better respect our majority right to be disgusted.

Pedophiles, anyone? How about THEIR rights?

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

This event should be interesting, remember 2004?
If you are LGBT, great, good for you, keep it to yourself and stop pushing it on others. I don't see us having Heterosexual Parades?
They will get what's coming to them and hopefully they will understand that they have asked for it.
This is not EU, this is SERBIA!

roberto

pre 14 godina

...Serbia, look to those who support Pride. Those are the true leaders.

Peace and respect to all
(GRUK, 14 September 2009 15:58)

Dear GRUK: i've read any number of your past postings and am often impressed, but this was perhaps the most moving. thanks so much. your words may be lost on some, but certainly not me.

also, i want to thank b-92 for ONE thing: their coverage of lgbt issues in the balkans, at least serbia. and i am one of their most passionate critics, at least for the last 3 years or so, so that is saying a lot. i just wish that such a progressive attitude showed in other areas.

sorry folks -- democracy and respect for human rights are not "imported from america", western europe, wherever. there are centuries-old strands of democracy and acceptance of multi-cultural values throughout the balkans, obviously greece (duh) but also throughout balkan history. we just have to tease it out, that's all. obviously serbia has historically been affected to no small degree by the shadow of the byzantine empire, which remained esp.ly rigid and hierarchical for centuries. but it doesn't mean that the east is destined to always cling to the worst of the past, that is simply unacceptable determinism. we are what we make ourselves, what WE choose for our own societies.

in addition, this issue of "perversity" is just ridiculous, and offensive. god knows, or cares, what all the rest of you do in bed, or wherever, or for that matter DON'T do. i don't care, and it doesn't make you somehow superior if you just do it with yr spouse in the missionary position. it sounds like something the (britt) puritans invented, more judgmental than (most of) the ancient hebrews ever were, i am quite sure.

the issue IS very much one of human rights, and bias, discrimination and violence against minorities, in this case the lgbt minority. and they are present in each and every society, sometimes recognizable by outsiders, sometimes not. some are religious, deeply religious, and some are utter atheists (who cares?) some are wealthy professionals, some utterly destitute. of every stripe, color, gender; some of you just have no clue, and yr ignorance is not bliss, either for yourself or for society as a whole.

these homophobic accusations are so old-hat to me, and i hardly had to schlepp to the balkans to hear such foolishness -- we heard such things growing up in detroit, and i still hear the most ignorant judgments from frnds and people that sure as hell ought to know better. my biggest problem is my limited patience at bigotry, regardless of the accent, and that ain't getting any better.

my advice: if you're a big time homophobe, stay far away from these lgbt events, and don't even watch the news that day. pack the family off to the beach or wherever.

but if you do believe in democracy and human rights, even just a little, then find some way to support the participants, either by enlightening bigoted frnds and acquaintances, sending a supportive letter/email to the media, or actually joining the parade, perhaps as a "str8t supporter." you'll be the better person for it, and surprise surprise, will actually be doing god's work.

thank you.

roberto/ frisco

GRUK

pre 14 godina

what an idiotic and ill informed comment about paedophile parade. Peadophilia is a revulsive crime perpetrated by adults on children. The majority of paedophilia is commited by adult males on female children. This does not mean that heterosexual males are paedophiles. Saying such a thing is just plain dumb. I'm wondering about the motives who contiue to equate paedophilia with homosexuality. Perhaps they are simply uneducated; perhaps they crave justification (however illogical) for their bigoted views.

peace and respect to all lawful citizens

H

pre 14 godina

Roberto,

Democracy does not mean that everybody can do anything, however pervert (or sorry) revolutionary/different it is.

Like it or not, Europe was built upon principles of Christianity that values heterosexual, monogamic relations, even if it sounds old fashioned to some.

By misinterpreting rule of law, one can easily arrive to anarchy, where individualism rules over community, so that everybody does what they want. In this respect we can forget laws (mandatory patterns of behaviour dictated by majority) and do what we want because we have the inalianable right to.

The homeless can surely justify why they mug people on the metro, however the majority population regards this as a crime.

The gay minority has the right to exist, exercise their way of life, even to march, but unfortunately (for the gay) they went too far in.

Provoking the majority and test where their tolerance ends by desacrating religious symbols goes beyond justifiable.

Gay community achieves only a stronger derision by the public, because these parades magnify the oddity and perversity of this community even more.

I am sure, a gay couple does not walk on the street almost naked, wearing a huge crucifix and exchangin saliva publicly.

szemi

pre 14 godina

Well what went on in Budapest is much more than a simple scandal.First of all the main arteries were closed a day before:I live in Király street about 100 meters from where this march of exibitionists (because this is what they are IMO normal gays who do not want to provoke majority stayed out of these show and I do not think that are too happy that some sick provocators represent their "rights").My neighbour's car which was parked about 50 meters from the route(in his habitual place BTW)was taken away by police the night before the march and he could not take his family for the weekend trip to lake Balaton,old people protesting against the march were beaten by policeman,families had a weekend destroyed because the march took place in parks and strolling roads often visited by parents with kids.Shops in the central zone had to be closed because people were unable to approach them and it was also impossible at the last weekend of high season for tourists to approach the most important sights and museum.This is all big loss to economy together with the billions of forints which had to be paid to secure these exibitionists.Of cours both domestic and international media failded to report these things they concentrated on a small group of neo-nazis trying to say that they were the only protesters.Olsd and cheap trick.Here on these forum there are many ortodox christians,catholics,some protestans and etc.We waged wars against each others and coused many wounds in the past.However nothing has ever been so destructive and dangerous to Europe as these sorosian pink revolution .In the long run it can cause much bigger demographic problem to our continent than WW1 and WW2 together.

Aljosa

pre 14 godina

“Anyone can schedule a gathering. For example, I can schedule a gathering with polar bears in the city and walk through the city with the polar bears.

What a stupid analogy to calm belgraders and justify a gay parade.
Belgrade's a metropolitan city and should start behaving as one in all aspects of daily life.

No wonder LDP is doing well in Belgrades local elections.
I don't mind DS being a leader in parlimentary elecetions but LDP should do even better in local elections.

Logic

pre 14 godina

GRUK wrote:

"Why is it that nobody from governing political parties feels able to publicly support Pride. The same goes for the police and other government institutions"

Why do you need the public exhibition of the political support from government and other political parties? After all, you are not marching to the war to save the country from an enemy and expect the flowers and applause. You are not marching to save the Serbian economy either.Just parading through the streets for your personal cause. And you have your right to parade granted.
But why do you call Serbia to look up to your supporters as to the "true leaders"? Not more,not less - the entire country should agree with your standards?
And GRUK, let's not overdo it. It appears that you are using the word "Pride"("the values of Pride") as a synonym for a gay and lesbian segment of the whole population! Further, you state to HRUZ:"...everybody is different. You are unique and should be PROUD".
Not really.Being unique is not necessarily positive.In contrary,examples abundant.
So,GRUK, live your life in your own way, and let others do the same.

GRUK

pre 14 godina

Like many people in Serbia and across the world, I grew weary of the biased bigoted thinking that labelled all Serbs as aggressors and all others as innocents in the troubles of the 1990s. Of course this is rubbish – but the myth was (sometimes still is) something that isolated and marginalised all of Serbia. We all know that the truth is complex - and complex thinking is something that those with small and closed minds cannot bear.

Now fast forward a decade, and use “gay” and not “Serb” and we once again see examples of bigoted closed minds (this time within Serbia). With some, there seems to be an automatic assumption that gay is related to “deviance” and “perversion”; that gays are “doomed” and will face “judgement”. These are all words used by contributors to this discussion – just scroll up. They have even associated gay with paedophilia. (reminiscent of automatic association of “serb” with “aggressor”).

Felix and Logic, please note that my earlier comments specifically state that every peaceful “law abiding” citizen deserves respect – the law abiding part is crucial. Respecting law abiding citizens ought to be a standard of civility that Serbia should (and can) achieve. Serbia has a choice; repeal the laws that prohibit discrimination and join the rouge states that do not respect it’s own citizens (so one does not have to be burdened with the niceties of civilised behaviour). Or you can try to understand why countries need such laws to protect minorities

Peace and respect to all who respect the law!

konstantin gregovic

pre 14 godina

In my view, everyone has the right to be differenet from the socially acceptable, but do not be PROUD of it and do not insult the ones that gave them rights recently.
(Hruz, 14 September 2009 14:53)

Good comment Hruz. The day is coming where all Churches will be united for the wrong reasons.

They will be united under the guidance of this perverse New World Order. It will only take strong leadership of all churches to avert this disaster.

Nobody is denying the rights of Homosexuals but abiding Christians should not be labelled "Homophobic" which is a decriminatory practice among the "Gay" community.

If Homosexuality was normal, then the human race would not exist because we could not reproduce.