Protests in Priština over protocol

Kosovo is and will remain the province of Serbia. And a question for the Albanian posters here: how bad can it be to accept this reality and join the EU some time soon?

"Kurti said that the Kosovo administration was the biggest culprit for the signing of the agreement. He said that the leaders of Kosovo’s institutions were working in their own interests and not in those of the people."

-- To be honest, I have no sympathy for Kurti's movement and see him as a crude nationalist with a university degree, but that doesn't mean I don't understand them. As village bey says, they probably represent the only credible opposition force in Kosovo Province now - most likely because they are OUT of politics, and I have to agree with that assessment. It doesn't really matter which Albanian official is at the internationally supported helm in Pristina; they'll do whatever the international community tells them. Kurti has no such strings. But I wonder if his movement does enter politics, like village bey says, how long before they're co-opted into do other people's work.

Kurti is a pawn of the government... what a joke this guy is. Let's see if they get violent like they did a few years ago...

Stillborn!

The only thing which is remarkable after signing the EULEX-agreement, is that on both sides of the Serbia-Kosovo border the opposition parties are taking the opportunity to show their disagree with their governments. For Kostunica the signing means that Serbia is recognizing Kosovo's independence, for Kurti c.s. it is the sign of giving back the authority to Serbia. I think that the international community made it clear by stating that the agreement on the long run will be in Kosovo's favor by bringing justice, safety and defending minority's rights. Amnesty International reported the poor situation in Kosovo not long ago, which B92 willingly published without delay. Questionable to me is, that as a Serbian paper, B92 didn't publish Amnesty's report: "Human Rights Activists Under Threat In Serbia". For those who are interested, here is the link: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/human-rights-activists-under-threat-serbia-20090914

It shows that a country may create laws without implementing them, as you can find in several Balkan countries. It is sad to find out such machinations.

"It shows that a country may create laws without implementing them".
cees

Indeed! Kosovo promises so many rights for minorities but the only "right" minorities in Kosovo truly have is the right to be killed or the right to leave the province. Like you said: it's one thing to promise something on paper and another thing to implement it in reality. Serbia is by no means perfect. However, it was not long ago the country was in total chaos.
Still, a lot of progress in just a couple of years. Besides, concerning your articlelink I didn't read it at this forum either. However, it must be nice to at least be able to correct that B92 "error" by having the freedom to use this forum to prove your point.

And a question for the Albanian posters here: how bad can it be to accept this reality and join the EU some time soon?
(veki, 14 September 2009 15:06)

As bad as during 1999. It if makes you feel good, it can't get worse than that. As per EU, Serbia is the last country that will enter it because it will never have the desire to catch Mladic.
Why wait for the last?

"Calling for more transparency and accountability on the part of Eulex and criticizing our inept politicians, hardly mounts to a national suicide."

"...the movement is injecting some much-needed debate in Kosovar politics. After all a healthy functioning democracy should have at least two oppositional sides to the spectrum."

-- We certainly may disagree on the eventual outcome, but I completely agree with your political point of view.

Cheers,

Vetevendosje is welcomed by many?

Perhaps those without even a faint clue about politics.

Attacking one of the few organizations working in the interest of Kosovo, and encouraging to get rid of EU representatives amounts to suicide at this stage.

Albin likes to bite the hands that feed him, but I guess hw will turn coats, and shrewdly applaud in the first row when Kosovo is accepted as EU candidate country a few yesrs from now.

"As bad as during 1999."

you live in the past my friend, 1999 was 10 years ago.
If that makes you feel good, fuel your hatred for Serbia some longer more and get some extra more outdated. If that is what matters most to you guys go ahead, just not sure if that kind of sentiment will get you anywhere.

Serbia is becoming a decent place, not bad at all and it is your country.

Dear Hurz
I have to disagree with you there my friend. Calling for more transparency and accountability on the part of Eulex and criticizing our inept politicians, hardly mounts to a national suicide. Ironically it is the same Vetvendosje that wants to promote a notion of communal/national freedom as opposed to individual ones, so you might have more in common with them than you think.
And yes they are ideologically outdated but at the movement is injecting some much-needed debate in Kosovar politics. After all a healthy functioning democracy should have at least two oppositional sides to the spectrum.
And anyways any man that single-handed pulls a whole transit van down deserves some respect.
http://www.vetevendosje.org/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=6020&fullsize=1

village-bey

With your comment, you just discredited what litte has been left as justifiable opposition.

Cowardly attacking and destroying cars and even bragging with it has no place in European soil.

The government got something for going along with the agreement - on Monday, Washington and Prishtina signed the first formal bilateral agreement on cooperation and support of the Republic of Kosovo, specifically in the areas of infrastructure, transportation, and education.

As was predicted, agreeing to a protocol that was actually in the best interest of the country was rewarded by outside forces. Altering the agreement itself - for example, by having Kosovo also sign, as recommended by a Swedish politician, - was apparently either less possible or of less interest to the government. (Maybe the teachers will even get that raise now?)

In total absence of any meaningful political opposition Vetvendosje is assuming all attributes of a proper constructive opposition to the current apathetic situation. The next logical step for the movement is a formal entry into politics. Its well-organised, energetic campaigns relate a message that is increasingly becoming welcomed by many.

to all those who goin to coment on this don't forget its non govermant organizacion

every thing in balkan is going to the plan,kosovo independece,serbia in withe shcengen,criminals to the hage,well done west europe and america,astoneshing job in balkan,according to the protest i hope there is no victims like the other protest few years ago.

Pointless, Meaningless,
Waste of Time!!!

I never liked Mr.Kurti, he is waste of space!!!

I admired our President Rugova, his patience, I hate violence!

Mr.Albin Kurti is not to be trusted,if he is so clever,why he doesn't go in to politics!

We have supervised independence,it is to early for us to decide,if 22-23 countries of EU recognised us,why now turning back at them!

We have to work harder then ever,we have to catch up with the rest of Europe,we have to be patient,tolerant,right attitude and from supervised we will be fully independence!
It is down to us!

Peace and Love to all!!!

MR KURTI is trying hard to get a place in the kosovo parlament,if he join any albanian party in kosovo parlament all this so call VETVENDOSJA will not longer be i use.i think MR KURTI is ussing every protest to form is own party in the comen years and to get buck up from the people so he can get some votes in the kosovo elections in 4 years time.

"Kurti said that EULEX was a substitute for UNMIK, and the fact that the mission had no time frame meant that Kosovo was not independent."

This guy is (almost) right:

(1) EUELEX works in the frameworks of 1244. Well, yes, you can say UNMIK = EULEX. Fine with me...

(2) 1244 says there will be negotiations. Well, there is no mutual agreed deal, so indeed Kosovo is not indpendent (now). But maybe both sides will agree to that. Maybe not. Until that time Kosovo is NOT independent.

Good for a person like him to face the truth!

Makedonija-people or all on the side of our brothers in SERBIA! OUR TIME WILL COME!!!

Cowardly attacking and destroying cars and even bragging with it has no place in European soil.
(Hruz, 14 September 2009 19:07)
are you sure? i reminber london or paris demonstration and much more than 12 cars were demolished!
Seems you have never been in France during new year day...250 is an average of destroyed cars then.May be you do not consider France or laondon or berlin as european too?

Macedonia is Albanian. Albanians are on Albanians side and all u slavs of rest of Macedonia- Please get an identity.

"to all those who goin to coment on this don't forget its non govermant organizacion"

to all ,don't forget it is what our donators try desperatly to create:a civil society! unfortunatly ,this civil society is not appreciating their efforts to bring us back to pre1999 situation!
this civil society,the one that is not artificialy created thanks to your donation, is well and vived,like it was before 199 and is able again to defend kosovo from any nasty trick;

Think how fast we could have a lasting peace and a situation that suits both sides if common Serbs and Albanians abandoned ALL nationalist individuals,got rid of the foreign NGO's and jailed all the corrupt politicians.There would be no need for EULEX and protocols,resolutions and agreements that are not worth tha paper they are printed on.If people could see the bigger picture they would come together.Globalists and essentially corporate owned interests are the hidden hand in Kosovo and they are enemies of the Serbian and Albanian people.They do a great job of keeping small minded people and EU administrators in power.Kosovo will never be sovereign the globalist root is too deep at this point.Both sides are trying to run a marathon with a ball and chain attached to the ankle.When will the Albanians start to realize they signed a deal with the devil?

Kosovo is and will remain the province of Serbia. And a question for the Albanian posters here: how bad can it be to accept this reality and join the EU some time soon?

every thing in balkan is going to the plan,kosovo independece,serbia in withe shcengen,criminals to the hage,well done west europe and america,astoneshing job in balkan,according to the protest i hope there is no victims like the other protest few years ago.

And a question for the Albanian posters here: how bad can it be to accept this reality and join the EU some time soon?
(veki, 14 September 2009 15:06)

As bad as during 1999. It if makes you feel good, it can't get worse than that. As per EU, Serbia is the last country that will enter it because it will never have the desire to catch Mladic.
Why wait for the last?

In total absence of any meaningful political opposition Vetvendosje is assuming all attributes of a proper constructive opposition to the current apathetic situation. The next logical step for the movement is a formal entry into politics. Its well-organised, energetic campaigns relate a message that is increasingly becoming welcomed by many.

Vetevendosje is welcomed by many?

Perhaps those without even a faint clue about politics.

Attacking one of the few organizations working in the interest of Kosovo, and encouraging to get rid of EU representatives amounts to suicide at this stage.

Albin likes to bite the hands that feed him, but I guess hw will turn coats, and shrewdly applaud in the first row when Kosovo is accepted as EU candidate country a few yesrs from now.

Kurti is a pawn of the government... what a joke this guy is. Let's see if they get violent like they did a few years ago...

to all those who goin to coment on this don't forget its non govermant organizacion

Stillborn!

MR KURTI is trying hard to get a place in the kosovo parlament,if he join any albanian party in kosovo parlament all this so call VETVENDOSJA will not longer be i use.i think MR KURTI is ussing every protest to form is own party in the comen years and to get buck up from the people so he can get some votes in the kosovo elections in 4 years time.

Dear Hurz
I have to disagree with you there my friend. Calling for more transparency and accountability on the part of Eulex and criticizing our inept politicians, hardly mounts to a national suicide. Ironically it is the same Vetvendosje that wants to promote a notion of communal/national freedom as opposed to individual ones, so you might have more in common with them than you think.
And yes they are ideologically outdated but at the movement is injecting some much-needed debate in Kosovar politics. After all a healthy functioning democracy should have at least two oppositional sides to the spectrum.
And anyways any man that single-handed pulls a whole transit van down deserves some respect.
http://www.vetevendosje.org/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=6020&fullsize=1

"Kurti said that the Kosovo administration was the biggest culprit for the signing of the agreement. He said that the leaders of Kosovo’s institutions were working in their own interests and not in those of the people."

-- To be honest, I have no sympathy for Kurti's movement and see him as a crude nationalist with a university degree, but that doesn't mean I don't understand them. As village bey says, they probably represent the only credible opposition force in Kosovo Province now - most likely because they are OUT of politics, and I have to agree with that assessment. It doesn't really matter which Albanian official is at the internationally supported helm in Pristina; they'll do whatever the international community tells them. Kurti has no such strings. But I wonder if his movement does enter politics, like village bey says, how long before they're co-opted into do other people's work.

The only thing which is remarkable after signing the EULEX-agreement, is that on both sides of the Serbia-Kosovo border the opposition parties are taking the opportunity to show their disagree with their governments. For Kostunica the signing means that Serbia is recognizing Kosovo's independence, for Kurti c.s. it is the sign of giving back the authority to Serbia. I think that the international community made it clear by stating that the agreement on the long run will be in Kosovo's favor by bringing justice, safety and defending minority's rights. Amnesty International reported the poor situation in Kosovo not long ago, which B92 willingly published without delay. Questionable to me is, that as a Serbian paper, B92 didn't publish Amnesty's report: "Human Rights Activists Under Threat In Serbia". For those who are interested, here is the link: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/human-rights-activists-under-threat-serbia-20090914

It shows that a country may create laws without implementing them, as you can find in several Balkan countries. It is sad to find out such machinations.

"As bad as during 1999."

you live in the past my friend, 1999 was 10 years ago.
If that makes you feel good, fuel your hatred for Serbia some longer more and get some extra more outdated. If that is what matters most to you guys go ahead, just not sure if that kind of sentiment will get you anywhere.

Serbia is becoming a decent place, not bad at all and it is your country.

Makedonija-people or all on the side of our brothers in SERBIA! OUR TIME WILL COME!!!

"Kurti said that EULEX was a substitute for UNMIK, and the fact that the mission had no time frame meant that Kosovo was not independent."

This guy is (almost) right:

(1) EUELEX works in the frameworks of 1244. Well, yes, you can say UNMIK = EULEX. Fine with me...

(2) 1244 says there will be negotiations. Well, there is no mutual agreed deal, so indeed Kosovo is not indpendent (now). But maybe both sides will agree to that. Maybe not. Until that time Kosovo is NOT independent.

Good for a person like him to face the truth!

The government got something for going along with the agreement - on Monday, Washington and Prishtina signed the first formal bilateral agreement on cooperation and support of the Republic of Kosovo, specifically in the areas of infrastructure, transportation, and education.

As was predicted, agreeing to a protocol that was actually in the best interest of the country was rewarded by outside forces. Altering the agreement itself - for example, by having Kosovo also sign, as recommended by a Swedish politician, - was apparently either less possible or of less interest to the government. (Maybe the teachers will even get that raise now?)

Macedonia is Albanian. Albanians are on Albanians side and all u slavs of rest of Macedonia- Please get an identity.

"It shows that a country may create laws without implementing them".
cees

Indeed! Kosovo promises so many rights for minorities but the only "right" minorities in Kosovo truly have is the right to be killed or the right to leave the province. Like you said: it's one thing to promise something on paper and another thing to implement it in reality. Serbia is by no means perfect. However, it was not long ago the country was in total chaos.
Still, a lot of progress in just a couple of years. Besides, concerning your articlelink I didn't read it at this forum either. However, it must be nice to at least be able to correct that B92 "error" by having the freedom to use this forum to prove your point.

Pointless, Meaningless,
Waste of Time!!!

I never liked Mr.Kurti, he is waste of space!!!

I admired our President Rugova, his patience, I hate violence!

Mr.Albin Kurti is not to be trusted,if he is so clever,why he doesn't go in to politics!

We have supervised independence,it is to early for us to decide,if 22-23 countries of EU recognised us,why now turning back at them!

We have to work harder then ever,we have to catch up with the rest of Europe,we have to be patient,tolerant,right attitude and from supervised we will be fully independence!
It is down to us!

Peace and Love to all!!!

"Calling for more transparency and accountability on the part of Eulex and criticizing our inept politicians, hardly mounts to a national suicide."

"...the movement is injecting some much-needed debate in Kosovar politics. After all a healthy functioning democracy should have at least two oppositional sides to the spectrum."

-- We certainly may disagree on the eventual outcome, but I completely agree with your political point of view.

Cheers,

village-bey

With your comment, you just discredited what litte has been left as justifiable opposition.

Cowardly attacking and destroying cars and even bragging with it has no place in European soil.

Cowardly attacking and destroying cars and even bragging with it has no place in European soil.
(Hruz, 14 September 2009 19:07)
are you sure? i reminber london or paris demonstration and much more than 12 cars were demolished!
Seems you have never been in France during new year day...250 is an average of destroyed cars then.May be you do not consider France or laondon or berlin as european too?

"to all those who goin to coment on this don't forget its non govermant organizacion"

to all ,don't forget it is what our donators try desperatly to create:a civil society! unfortunatly ,this civil society is not appreciating their efforts to bring us back to pre1999 situation!
this civil society,the one that is not artificialy created thanks to your donation, is well and vived,like it was before 199 and is able again to defend kosovo from any nasty trick;

Think how fast we could have a lasting peace and a situation that suits both sides if common Serbs and Albanians abandoned ALL nationalist individuals,got rid of the foreign NGO's and jailed all the corrupt politicians.There would be no need for EULEX and protocols,resolutions and agreements that are not worth tha paper they are printed on.If people could see the bigger picture they would come together.Globalists and essentially corporate owned interests are the hidden hand in Kosovo and they are enemies of the Serbian and Albanian people.They do a great job of keeping small minded people and EU administrators in power.Kosovo will never be sovereign the globalist root is too deep at this point.Both sides are trying to run a marathon with a ball and chain attached to the ankle.When will the Albanians start to realize they signed a deal with the devil?