After a <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=12&nav_id=61718" class="text-link" target= "_blank">police protocol</a>, EULEX and Serbian officials will intensify preparations for customs and judiciary cooperation, Albanian press in Priština writes.
And none is signing in the name of Kosovo: the B92 story was quite clear in quoting EULEX on "the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf." [link]
(Amer, 15 September 2009 14:41)
Stop fooling yourself. Is there an EULEX in Holland, Germany or France? Nope!
Why is there an EULEX? Because UN is still governing Kosovo!
'I mean: no organization is signing anything for Hollland, Germany or France. '
And none is signing in the name of Kosovo: the B92 story was quite clear in quoting EULEX on "the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf." http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=11&nav_id=61691
I'm expecting a public hanging of little Vuk and big Tad after the Serbian people realize they've been duped. I wonder who in the Gov't will be left to make the announcement that Serbia has voluntarily given up Kosovo in return for the white Schengen visas.
I hear an ill wind blowing in the direction of Serbia. Maybe time for another mass migration.
These comments had completely misled the point of the story here.
We are not talking about Kosova’s status here, as its status I well known to every one. We are talking about cooperation between the Balkan countries, and as Kosova and Serbia are not in position to set up the cooperation directly, because of the much known circumstances, the EULEX is kind of link between Kosova and Serbia authorities. It is unacceptable for all not to have cooperation on these areas such is police, customs and justice with the neighboring countries.
Sam agreements we already have with Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro, but also with other countries in Europe and America.
However, signing the protocol/s doesn’t mean that Serbia recognizes us as independent, but al least is pledging to cooperate with the newest country in the areas as with all other countries in the world.
"Wake up, Kate. Kosovo is internationally recognized by more than 60 states. It is not a province any longer. Everyone is aware of that fact. These agreements have been signed by Serbia with all its neighbors, so that it doesn’t mean that they are part of Serbia. This protocol is a difficult homework for each state-candidate to EU, with the aim to define existing state boundaries. It is world wide well-known, that Serbia was extremely reluctant to this international obligation, but it had no other choice but to agree with the terms.
Yes, I am the one who think that ICJ will be affected by Serbian agreement to the Kosovo’s statehood eventually.
(laki bani, 14 September 2009 14:35)"
Ya. Recognized by 60 out of 192 sovereign states. How impressive.
Wake up, Kate. Kosovo is internationally recognized by more than 60 states. It is not a province any longer. Everyone is aware of that fact. These agreements have been signed by Serbia with all its neighbors, so that it doesn’t mean that they are part of Serbia. This protocol is a difficult homework for each state-candidate to EU, with the aim to define existing state boundaries. It is world wide well-known, that Serbia was extremely reluctant to this international obligation, but it had no other choice but to agree with the terms.
Yes, I am the one who think that ICJ will be affected by Serbian agreement to the Kosovo’s statehood eventually.
"NO,NO
aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?
As for the troops in Kosova, no need to worry becasue even unborn Albanian babies are Kosova soldiers of the future.
(Kosova-USA, 13 September 2009 21:58)"
There are no Serbian troops in Kosovo just as there are no Syrian troops in their Israeli-occupied Golan Heights territory. Just like there are no Cuban troops in American-occupied Guantanamo. So what is your point? Legally Kosovo is still Serbia's under 1244 regardless of who militarily occupies it.
Anyway how is this military question related to the ECONOMIC issue of customs union? My original point was simple -- a mere custom union itself does not confer independence on a anyone.
"aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?"
Well considering most Albanian nationalists around here seem to believe that Kosovo is just infested with covert Serbian MUPs causing all sorts of trouble and instability, I'd by your own collective rationale, Kosovo is still technically part of Serbia.
But if you think that's a silly answer, consider what military force has the advantage: neither Serb nor Albanian, but KFOR. So by MY rationale, Kosovo is, and will continue to be, an international protectorate that's neither completely part of Serbia, nor completely an independent state. Consider it, internationalized territory.
but anyway, all of these things, these events, real or imagined and exaggerated, are bumps in the road for us,
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Where does that road lead and who are "us"?
-------
"in the defense of freedom and independence. which is exactly what we shall do for the icj case. to bring the truth to the entire world"
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Is that right to the freedom and independence to be endanger other's freedom and independence and what happens if some parts of the truth is not of your liking?
-------
and it will not make the other side happy, believe me. they will accuse us of lying and twisting and being "so angry" but the truth shall prevail, and the truth shall set us free.
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Who is the "other side"? Please do not create enemy pictures and windmills to fight.
-------
eyes on the prize, people.
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
What prize? There is no prize. If you call final dismembering of YU as "prize" - than it's rather a punishment.
"Sound like a suggesting a forced marrage to me...Do you know what the implications are?"
EA
Nobody ever asked Kosovo to join the Kingdom of Jugoslavia. Kosovo is part of Serbia. Just like your leg is a part of you. And do you know what the implications are of taking a part of Serbias territory and claiming it as your own? If Kosovo, then why not Republica Srpska and Norhern Epirus in south Albania? You can't choose what territory should become independent and what shouldn't. And don't give me crap like "Milosevic this and Milosevic that." In that case Germany and America shouldn't exist due to their treatment of Jews and Native Americans.
As for soldiers in Kosovo, I am not aware that Pristina is allowed its own real military. Unless you conveniently consider its lightly armed security personnel to be its "army".
(lowe, 13 September 2009 20:55)
NO,NO
aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?
As for the troops in Kosova, no need to worry becasue even unborn Albanian babies are Kosova soldiers of the future.
"Ok,
have HK and Macao declared independence?
Are they seeking Int recognitions?
Have they joined IMF and WB as Republic of Hong Kong and ...Macao?
Are any Serbian soldiers in Kosova (They are Chinese ones in HK and Macao)
(ArtA, 13 September 2009 17:12)"
OK, so "Kosova" did declare independence .... so what? Pristina still remains outside the UN to this day -- in this sense, its status to the UN is no different from HK or Macao even if does its UDI 100 more times.
As for soldiers in Kosovo, I am not aware that Pristina is allowed its own real military. Unless you conveniently consider its lightly armed security personnel to be its "army".
i think that it is both funny and ironic that these agreements, over which all of us were kvetching, and which prompted confusion within the ranks of all parties, are actually working to formalize the separations btwn serbia and Kosovo/a.
and i think that people on both side, despite some of their disingenuous protestations, are now beginning to see so quite clearly.
whether the belgrade regime, members of serbian diaspora or all of their allies like it or not is totally and completely irrelevant, spin as they may.
but anyway, all of these things, these events, real or imagined and exaggerated, are bumps in the road for us, as is the icj case in particular. and it is important for us to learn how to use these bumps, often not of our own making, in the defense of freedom and independence. which is exactly what we shall do for the icj case. to bring the truth to the entire world, and it will not make the other side happy, believe me. they will accuse us of lying and twisting and being "so angry" but the truth shall prevail, and the truth shall set us free.
Well I doubt Belgrade's going to sign anything with hidden strings attached. I'm quite sure Serbs will have control over these customs borders with EULEX, but whatever they sign, they sign.
"Hongkong and Macao are treated as separate custom territories from mainland China even though the whole world recognizes Beijing's sovereignty over both of them."
Ok,
have HK and Macao declared independence?
Are they seeking Int recognitions?
Have they joined IMF and WB as Republic of Hong Kong and ...Macao?
Are any Serbian soldiers in Kosova (They are Chinese ones in HK and Macao)
Do your really still think Kosova is part of Serbia?
Are you saying that Kosova and Serbia are still "married" but living separately? Are you also saying that there can be no "divorce" between the two? Sound like a suggesting a forced marrage to me...Do you know what the implications are?
Provinces have boundaries, and autonomous areas, especially UN controlled areas, have customs systems.
--
Exactly, Kosovo is run by Zanieri and Serbia's Minister in Exile, Bogdanovic.
Hongkong and Macao are treated as separate custom territories from mainland China even though the whole world recognizes Beijing's sovereignty over both of them.
Likewise Denmark has political sovereignty over Greenland although the former is inside the EU while the Greenlanders remain outside.
Bottom line is that economic borders do not equate to political ones.
If and when Belgrade decides to sign the customs arrangement (these being technical arrangements under Eulex's mandate, let us not forget), "Kosova" will still be no closer to joining the UN, WHO etc.
In any case, it is still early days as negotiations on customs barely started. The terms will have to be mutually acceptable before there can be signatures. So do not count the chickens before they hatch. I think it is going to be one long drawn process, perhaps with no end in sight even.
The newspaper concludes that George reminded that "the European Commission recognized Kosovo as a separate customs zone separated from Serbia in 2000".
It doesn't matter what the European Commission thinks about customs between Serbia and it's southern province- it what SERBIA thinks. Signing a police protocol with Eulex is one thing, but please don't that "snowball" into a customs protocol- which strips Serbia of it's territory. Visa-free travel for a minority of Serbian citizens is not worth giving up your sovereignty. Stop all of this nonsense with the EU and understand the EU's ploys against Serbia.
"Separate customs zone" and before that the mention of the word "boundary" in the MUP-EULEX agreement... the press in Pristina are clutching at anything to make it sound as though it's all a cunning plan to get Serbia to recognise that Kosovo is independent.
Provinces have boundaries, and autonomous areas, especially UN controlled areas, have customs systems.
There is absolutely nothing in either the signed protocol or this speculative protocol which specifies that Serbia recognises independence. Everyone knows that, except those who are clutching at straws.
These agreements are between Serbia and EULEX because under international law Kosovo is part of Serbia. Cooperation is needed between the UN/ EU and Serbia to eradicate crime. This is to the benefit of everyone, even those who are not party to the agreement itself.
Does anyone really think that the ICJ decision will be affected by anything that Serbia inadvertently signs within these agreements? Of course not.
"Separate customs zone" and before that the mention of the word "boundary" in the MUP-EULEX agreement... the press in Pristina are clutching at anything to make it sound as though it's all a cunning plan to get Serbia to recognise that Kosovo is independent.
Provinces have boundaries, and autonomous areas, especially UN controlled areas, have customs systems.
There is absolutely nothing in either the signed protocol or this speculative protocol which specifies that Serbia recognises independence. Everyone knows that, except those who are clutching at straws.
These agreements are between Serbia and EULEX because under international law Kosovo is part of Serbia. Cooperation is needed between the UN/ EU and Serbia to eradicate crime. This is to the benefit of everyone, even those who are not party to the agreement itself.
Does anyone really think that the ICJ decision will be affected by anything that Serbia inadvertently signs within these agreements? Of course not.
Do your really still think Kosova is part of Serbia?
Are you saying that Kosova and Serbia are still "married" but living separately? Are you also saying that there can be no "divorce" between the two? Sound like a suggesting a forced marrage to me...Do you know what the implications are?
The newspaper concludes that George reminded that "the European Commission recognized Kosovo as a separate customs zone separated from Serbia in 2000".
It doesn't matter what the European Commission thinks about customs between Serbia and it's southern province- it what SERBIA thinks. Signing a police protocol with Eulex is one thing, but please don't that "snowball" into a customs protocol- which strips Serbia of it's territory. Visa-free travel for a minority of Serbian citizens is not worth giving up your sovereignty. Stop all of this nonsense with the EU and understand the EU's ploys against Serbia.
Provinces have boundaries, and autonomous areas, especially UN controlled areas, have customs systems.
--
Exactly, Kosovo is run by Zanieri and Serbia's Minister in Exile, Bogdanovic.
"Hongkong and Macao are treated as separate custom territories from mainland China even though the whole world recognizes Beijing's sovereignty over both of them."
Ok,
have HK and Macao declared independence?
Are they seeking Int recognitions?
Have they joined IMF and WB as Republic of Hong Kong and ...Macao?
Are any Serbian soldiers in Kosova (They are Chinese ones in HK and Macao)
Hongkong and Macao are treated as separate custom territories from mainland China even though the whole world recognizes Beijing's sovereignty over both of them.
Likewise Denmark has political sovereignty over Greenland although the former is inside the EU while the Greenlanders remain outside.
Bottom line is that economic borders do not equate to political ones.
If and when Belgrade decides to sign the customs arrangement (these being technical arrangements under Eulex's mandate, let us not forget), "Kosova" will still be no closer to joining the UN, WHO etc.
In any case, it is still early days as negotiations on customs barely started. The terms will have to be mutually acceptable before there can be signatures. So do not count the chickens before they hatch. I think it is going to be one long drawn process, perhaps with no end in sight even.
As for soldiers in Kosovo, I am not aware that Pristina is allowed its own real military. Unless you conveniently consider its lightly armed security personnel to be its "army".
(lowe, 13 September 2009 20:55)
NO,NO
aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?
As for the troops in Kosova, no need to worry becasue even unborn Albanian babies are Kosova soldiers of the future.
Well I doubt Belgrade's going to sign anything with hidden strings attached. I'm quite sure Serbs will have control over these customs borders with EULEX, but whatever they sign, they sign.
i think that it is both funny and ironic that these agreements, over which all of us were kvetching, and which prompted confusion within the ranks of all parties, are actually working to formalize the separations btwn serbia and Kosovo/a.
and i think that people on both side, despite some of their disingenuous protestations, are now beginning to see so quite clearly.
whether the belgrade regime, members of serbian diaspora or all of their allies like it or not is totally and completely irrelevant, spin as they may.
but anyway, all of these things, these events, real or imagined and exaggerated, are bumps in the road for us, as is the icj case in particular. and it is important for us to learn how to use these bumps, often not of our own making, in the defense of freedom and independence. which is exactly what we shall do for the icj case. to bring the truth to the entire world, and it will not make the other side happy, believe me. they will accuse us of lying and twisting and being "so angry" but the truth shall prevail, and the truth shall set us free.
"aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?"
Well considering most Albanian nationalists around here seem to believe that Kosovo is just infested with covert Serbian MUPs causing all sorts of trouble and instability, I'd by your own collective rationale, Kosovo is still technically part of Serbia.
But if you think that's a silly answer, consider what military force has the advantage: neither Serb nor Albanian, but KFOR. So by MY rationale, Kosovo is, and will continue to be, an international protectorate that's neither completely part of Serbia, nor completely an independent state. Consider it, internationalized territory.
but anyway, all of these things, these events, real or imagined and exaggerated, are bumps in the road for us,
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Where does that road lead and who are "us"?
-------
"in the defense of freedom and independence. which is exactly what we shall do for the icj case. to bring the truth to the entire world"
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Is that right to the freedom and independence to be endanger other's freedom and independence and what happens if some parts of the truth is not of your liking?
-------
and it will not make the other side happy, believe me. they will accuse us of lying and twisting and being "so angry" but the truth shall prevail, and the truth shall set us free.
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Who is the "other side"? Please do not create enemy pictures and windmills to fight.
-------
eyes on the prize, people.
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
What prize? There is no prize. If you call final dismembering of YU as "prize" - than it's rather a punishment.
Wake up, Kate. Kosovo is internationally recognized by more than 60 states. It is not a province any longer. Everyone is aware of that fact. These agreements have been signed by Serbia with all its neighbors, so that it doesn’t mean that they are part of Serbia. This protocol is a difficult homework for each state-candidate to EU, with the aim to define existing state boundaries. It is world wide well-known, that Serbia was extremely reluctant to this international obligation, but it had no other choice but to agree with the terms.
Yes, I am the one who think that ICJ will be affected by Serbian agreement to the Kosovo’s statehood eventually.
These comments had completely misled the point of the story here.
We are not talking about Kosova’s status here, as its status I well known to every one. We are talking about cooperation between the Balkan countries, and as Kosova and Serbia are not in position to set up the cooperation directly, because of the much known circumstances, the EULEX is kind of link between Kosova and Serbia authorities. It is unacceptable for all not to have cooperation on these areas such is police, customs and justice with the neighboring countries.
Sam agreements we already have with Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro, but also with other countries in Europe and America.
However, signing the protocol/s doesn’t mean that Serbia recognizes us as independent, but al least is pledging to cooperate with the newest country in the areas as with all other countries in the world.
"Sound like a suggesting a forced marrage to me...Do you know what the implications are?"
EA
Nobody ever asked Kosovo to join the Kingdom of Jugoslavia. Kosovo is part of Serbia. Just like your leg is a part of you. And do you know what the implications are of taking a part of Serbias territory and claiming it as your own? If Kosovo, then why not Republica Srpska and Norhern Epirus in south Albania? You can't choose what territory should become independent and what shouldn't. And don't give me crap like "Milosevic this and Milosevic that." In that case Germany and America shouldn't exist due to their treatment of Jews and Native Americans.
"Ok,
have HK and Macao declared independence?
Are they seeking Int recognitions?
Have they joined IMF and WB as Republic of Hong Kong and ...Macao?
Are any Serbian soldiers in Kosova (They are Chinese ones in HK and Macao)
(ArtA, 13 September 2009 17:12)"
OK, so "Kosova" did declare independence .... so what? Pristina still remains outside the UN to this day -- in this sense, its status to the UN is no different from HK or Macao even if does its UDI 100 more times.
As for soldiers in Kosovo, I am not aware that Pristina is allowed its own real military. Unless you conveniently consider its lightly armed security personnel to be its "army".
"Wake up, Kate. Kosovo is internationally recognized by more than 60 states. It is not a province any longer. Everyone is aware of that fact. These agreements have been signed by Serbia with all its neighbors, so that it doesn’t mean that they are part of Serbia. This protocol is a difficult homework for each state-candidate to EU, with the aim to define existing state boundaries. It is world wide well-known, that Serbia was extremely reluctant to this international obligation, but it had no other choice but to agree with the terms.
Yes, I am the one who think that ICJ will be affected by Serbian agreement to the Kosovo’s statehood eventually.
(laki bani, 14 September 2009 14:35)"
Ya. Recognized by 60 out of 192 sovereign states. How impressive.
"NO,NO
aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?
As for the troops in Kosova, no need to worry becasue even unborn Albanian babies are Kosova soldiers of the future.
(Kosova-USA, 13 September 2009 21:58)"
There are no Serbian troops in Kosovo just as there are no Syrian troops in their Israeli-occupied Golan Heights territory. Just like there are no Cuban troops in American-occupied Guantanamo. So what is your point? Legally Kosovo is still Serbia's under 1244 regardless of who militarily occupies it.
Anyway how is this military question related to the ECONOMIC issue of customs union? My original point was simple -- a mere custom union itself does not confer independence on a anyone.
'I mean: no organization is signing anything for Hollland, Germany or France. '
And none is signing in the name of Kosovo: the B92 story was quite clear in quoting EULEX on "the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf." http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=11&nav_id=61691
I'm expecting a public hanging of little Vuk and big Tad after the Serbian people realize they've been duped. I wonder who in the Gov't will be left to make the announcement that Serbia has voluntarily given up Kosovo in return for the white Schengen visas.
I hear an ill wind blowing in the direction of Serbia. Maybe time for another mass migration.
And none is signing in the name of Kosovo: the B92 story was quite clear in quoting EULEX on "the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf." [link]
(Amer, 15 September 2009 14:41)
Stop fooling yourself. Is there an EULEX in Holland, Germany or France? Nope!
Why is there an EULEX? Because UN is still governing Kosovo!
"Separate customs zone" and before that the mention of the word "boundary" in the MUP-EULEX agreement... the press in Pristina are clutching at anything to make it sound as though it's all a cunning plan to get Serbia to recognise that Kosovo is independent.
Provinces have boundaries, and autonomous areas, especially UN controlled areas, have customs systems.
There is absolutely nothing in either the signed protocol or this speculative protocol which specifies that Serbia recognises independence. Everyone knows that, except those who are clutching at straws.
These agreements are between Serbia and EULEX because under international law Kosovo is part of Serbia. Cooperation is needed between the UN/ EU and Serbia to eradicate crime. This is to the benefit of everyone, even those who are not party to the agreement itself.
Does anyone really think that the ICJ decision will be affected by anything that Serbia inadvertently signs within these agreements? Of course not.
The newspaper concludes that George reminded that "the European Commission recognized Kosovo as a separate customs zone separated from Serbia in 2000".
It doesn't matter what the European Commission thinks about customs between Serbia and it's southern province- it what SERBIA thinks. Signing a police protocol with Eulex is one thing, but please don't that "snowball" into a customs protocol- which strips Serbia of it's territory. Visa-free travel for a minority of Serbian citizens is not worth giving up your sovereignty. Stop all of this nonsense with the EU and understand the EU's ploys against Serbia.
Do your really still think Kosova is part of Serbia?
Are you saying that Kosova and Serbia are still "married" but living separately? Are you also saying that there can be no "divorce" between the two? Sound like a suggesting a forced marrage to me...Do you know what the implications are?
Provinces have boundaries, and autonomous areas, especially UN controlled areas, have customs systems.
--
Exactly, Kosovo is run by Zanieri and Serbia's Minister in Exile, Bogdanovic.
Hongkong and Macao are treated as separate custom territories from mainland China even though the whole world recognizes Beijing's sovereignty over both of them.
Likewise Denmark has political sovereignty over Greenland although the former is inside the EU while the Greenlanders remain outside.
Bottom line is that economic borders do not equate to political ones.
If and when Belgrade decides to sign the customs arrangement (these being technical arrangements under Eulex's mandate, let us not forget), "Kosova" will still be no closer to joining the UN, WHO etc.
In any case, it is still early days as negotiations on customs barely started. The terms will have to be mutually acceptable before there can be signatures. So do not count the chickens before they hatch. I think it is going to be one long drawn process, perhaps with no end in sight even.
Well I doubt Belgrade's going to sign anything with hidden strings attached. I'm quite sure Serbs will have control over these customs borders with EULEX, but whatever they sign, they sign.
"Wake up, Kate. Kosovo is internationally recognized by more than 60 states. It is not a province any longer. Everyone is aware of that fact. These agreements have been signed by Serbia with all its neighbors, so that it doesn’t mean that they are part of Serbia. This protocol is a difficult homework for each state-candidate to EU, with the aim to define existing state boundaries. It is world wide well-known, that Serbia was extremely reluctant to this international obligation, but it had no other choice but to agree with the terms.
Yes, I am the one who think that ICJ will be affected by Serbian agreement to the Kosovo’s statehood eventually.
(laki bani, 14 September 2009 14:35)"
Ya. Recognized by 60 out of 192 sovereign states. How impressive.
As for soldiers in Kosovo, I am not aware that Pristina is allowed its own real military. Unless you conveniently consider its lightly armed security personnel to be its "army".
(lowe, 13 September 2009 20:55)
NO,NO
aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?
As for the troops in Kosova, no need to worry becasue even unborn Albanian babies are Kosova soldiers of the future.
i think that it is both funny and ironic that these agreements, over which all of us were kvetching, and which prompted confusion within the ranks of all parties, are actually working to formalize the separations btwn serbia and Kosovo/a.
and i think that people on both side, despite some of their disingenuous protestations, are now beginning to see so quite clearly.
whether the belgrade regime, members of serbian diaspora or all of their allies like it or not is totally and completely irrelevant, spin as they may.
but anyway, all of these things, these events, real or imagined and exaggerated, are bumps in the road for us, as is the icj case in particular. and it is important for us to learn how to use these bumps, often not of our own making, in the defense of freedom and independence. which is exactly what we shall do for the icj case. to bring the truth to the entire world, and it will not make the other side happy, believe me. they will accuse us of lying and twisting and being "so angry" but the truth shall prevail, and the truth shall set us free.
"aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?"
Well considering most Albanian nationalists around here seem to believe that Kosovo is just infested with covert Serbian MUPs causing all sorts of trouble and instability, I'd by your own collective rationale, Kosovo is still technically part of Serbia.
But if you think that's a silly answer, consider what military force has the advantage: neither Serb nor Albanian, but KFOR. So by MY rationale, Kosovo is, and will continue to be, an international protectorate that's neither completely part of Serbia, nor completely an independent state. Consider it, internationalized territory.
"Hongkong and Macao are treated as separate custom territories from mainland China even though the whole world recognizes Beijing's sovereignty over both of them."
Ok,
have HK and Macao declared independence?
Are they seeking Int recognitions?
Have they joined IMF and WB as Republic of Hong Kong and ...Macao?
Are any Serbian soldiers in Kosova (They are Chinese ones in HK and Macao)
"Sound like a suggesting a forced marrage to me...Do you know what the implications are?"
EA
Nobody ever asked Kosovo to join the Kingdom of Jugoslavia. Kosovo is part of Serbia. Just like your leg is a part of you. And do you know what the implications are of taking a part of Serbias territory and claiming it as your own? If Kosovo, then why not Republica Srpska and Norhern Epirus in south Albania? You can't choose what territory should become independent and what shouldn't. And don't give me crap like "Milosevic this and Milosevic that." In that case Germany and America shouldn't exist due to their treatment of Jews and Native Americans.
but anyway, all of these things, these events, real or imagined and exaggerated, are bumps in the road for us,
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Where does that road lead and who are "us"?
-------
"in the defense of freedom and independence. which is exactly what we shall do for the icj case. to bring the truth to the entire world"
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Is that right to the freedom and independence to be endanger other's freedom and independence and what happens if some parts of the truth is not of your liking?
-------
and it will not make the other side happy, believe me. they will accuse us of lying and twisting and being "so angry" but the truth shall prevail, and the truth shall set us free.
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
Who is the "other side"? Please do not create enemy pictures and windmills to fight.
-------
eyes on the prize, people.
(roberto, 13 September 2009 20:33)
What prize? There is no prize. If you call final dismembering of YU as "prize" - than it's rather a punishment.
"Ok,
have HK and Macao declared independence?
Are they seeking Int recognitions?
Have they joined IMF and WB as Republic of Hong Kong and ...Macao?
Are any Serbian soldiers in Kosova (They are Chinese ones in HK and Macao)
(ArtA, 13 September 2009 17:12)"
OK, so "Kosova" did declare independence .... so what? Pristina still remains outside the UN to this day -- in this sense, its status to the UN is no different from HK or Macao even if does its UDI 100 more times.
As for soldiers in Kosovo, I am not aware that Pristina is allowed its own real military. Unless you conveniently consider its lightly armed security personnel to be its "army".
Wake up, Kate. Kosovo is internationally recognized by more than 60 states. It is not a province any longer. Everyone is aware of that fact. These agreements have been signed by Serbia with all its neighbors, so that it doesn’t mean that they are part of Serbia. This protocol is a difficult homework for each state-candidate to EU, with the aim to define existing state boundaries. It is world wide well-known, that Serbia was extremely reluctant to this international obligation, but it had no other choice but to agree with the terms.
Yes, I am the one who think that ICJ will be affected by Serbian agreement to the Kosovo’s statehood eventually.
"NO,NO
aRTA asked a simple question if there is any Serbian troops in Kosova, just like there is chinese troops in HG and Macao?
As for the troops in Kosova, no need to worry becasue even unborn Albanian babies are Kosova soldiers of the future.
(Kosova-USA, 13 September 2009 21:58)"
There are no Serbian troops in Kosovo just as there are no Syrian troops in their Israeli-occupied Golan Heights territory. Just like there are no Cuban troops in American-occupied Guantanamo. So what is your point? Legally Kosovo is still Serbia's under 1244 regardless of who militarily occupies it.
Anyway how is this military question related to the ECONOMIC issue of customs union? My original point was simple -- a mere custom union itself does not confer independence on a anyone.
These comments had completely misled the point of the story here.
We are not talking about Kosova’s status here, as its status I well known to every one. We are talking about cooperation between the Balkan countries, and as Kosova and Serbia are not in position to set up the cooperation directly, because of the much known circumstances, the EULEX is kind of link between Kosova and Serbia authorities. It is unacceptable for all not to have cooperation on these areas such is police, customs and justice with the neighboring countries.
Sam agreements we already have with Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro, but also with other countries in Europe and America.
However, signing the protocol/s doesn’t mean that Serbia recognizes us as independent, but al least is pledging to cooperate with the newest country in the areas as with all other countries in the world.
And none is signing in the name of Kosovo: the B92 story was quite clear in quoting EULEX on "the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf." [link]
(Amer, 15 September 2009 14:41)
Stop fooling yourself. Is there an EULEX in Holland, Germany or France? Nope!
Why is there an EULEX? Because UN is still governing Kosovo!
I'm expecting a public hanging of little Vuk and big Tad after the Serbian people realize they've been duped. I wonder who in the Gov't will be left to make the announcement that Serbia has voluntarily given up Kosovo in return for the white Schengen visas.
I hear an ill wind blowing in the direction of Serbia. Maybe time for another mass migration.
'I mean: no organization is signing anything for Hollland, Germany or France. '
And none is signing in the name of Kosovo: the B92 story was quite clear in quoting EULEX on "the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf." http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=11&nav_id=61691
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