MUP-EULEX protocol signed

Ha ha ha! You see what a little armtwisting can do. Albanians: get used to being ruled!

But didn't EULEX just say they didn't need the signature of the Pristina govt and they were going ahead and signing without them??

Talk about locking the door after the horse has bolted! This is extremely poor publicity crisis management.

Hehehehe, get ready for phase II: Unified Customs and unified law and order in North. Plus a positive report from EU in October. EULEX signed those deals with Fyrom, Albania, and MN so why we care, we just wanted to get something in return and to tell them to be careful.

Let's the see arm-twisting that Serbia gets now!

So again: EULEX is in control of Kosovo!

Kosovo 'government' can say yes or no but EULEX signs anyway?

Independent? I would not say so!

Ha ha ha! You see what a little armtwisting can do. Albanians: get used to being ruled!
(MikeC, 11 September 2009 14:39)

But again: that is wat UNMIK/EULEX should do! UN governs Kosovo. As it is not a state but a Serbian province. Check 1244.

By the way: this is good news. Good the EU shows that they are in control. And not the socalled 'government'. Thumbs up for EU!

Hehehehe, get ready for phase II: Unified Customs and unified law and order in North. Plus a positive report from EU in October. EULEX signed those deals with Fyrom, Albania, and MN so why we care, we just wanted to get something in return and to tell them to be careful.

Let's the see arm-twisting that Serbia gets now!
(aRTA, 11 September 2009 15:33)

It's funny but I could have sworn I recalled Arta and many others say this will never happen because of the wrath of the Albanian population... well, it HAS happened and there is nothing else to be done. The Serbs in Kosovo (for the most part) have no problem with this nor do they care. Well, to be honest, some I have spoken to are for it simply because it enrages Pristina so much - but I digress...) Bottom line, it is good for law abiding Serbs and Albanians, and not good for criminals or the the whiners at Vetevendosje. I hope EULEX staff parks their cars in Serbian areas for safety this weekend though!

ARTA: "Let's the see arm-twisting that Serbia gets now!"

While I applaud you trying to save face on this one, it really is impossible. Things have been spelled out loud and clear.

What arm twisting can Serbia get in comparison? Kosovo is being run by the UN and EULEX (under the UN). The province is still legally part of Serbia, so what exactly do you expect them to do?

It was recognised under the 6 points that the Northern areas would be administered by Serbia. As the 6 points are clearly being respected, what exactly do you expect in terms of "arm-twisting" of Serbia?

The only "arm-twisting" is going to be getting the Kosovo govt back to the table either directly or via the UN to sort out a proper longterm legal status solution.

this "acceptance" resulting obviously after some behind the scenes arm twisting by an increasingly exasperated West.

You mess around with your pseudo colonial masters at your own peril.

""It is a matter of hours, not days, before Priština gives the green light to the signing of the EULEX-Serbia protocol," an unnamed European diplomat was quoted by daily Koha Ditore."

So? Who cares? It would have been signed with or without Hash's firman. This is just a way for him to save face after EULEX probably threatened to pull money away if he didn't dance to their tune.

No doubt we;ll hear something in the coming days from Pristina about EULEX finally "agreeing" to their terms and how EULEX must go through them and blah blah blah.

I honestly do not understand the concept of arm-twisting that is being brought up by many commentators here. If both Serbia and EULEX said that they do not need an approval from the Kosovo government for the protocol to be signed why would they waste their time in twisting Kosovo’s arms?
The reality is that if EULEX and Serbia signed the protocol (which is all technical procedures) without the green light from Kosovo then it would just be that a signed document and nothing else. Because without the cooperation and the blessing of the Kosovo government and the local police the protocol would have been just another document stockpiled somewhere.

I think Kosovo has nothing to worry about this. It was meant to be supervised independence, so these events are normal. EU is trying to make Serbia happy by giving them some left overs. It's fine, if this makes Serbia feel better, so be it. But Serbia is delusional if it believes it will rule Kosovo again some day.

K-Alb will never be ruled by Serbia again.

K-Alb will never be ruled by Serbia again.
(Denis, 11 September 2009 20:22)

And I bet you live outside as a golden expat..

This is not about who rules who, it is about the rule of law, on whichever side.
It however looks like it is making the k-a so nervous like they have so much to hide, or simply because it makes the Serbs happy...
You want to get recognition, then start to grow!

Very good now serbia fell on the hook. No more serbian anarchy in the northern part Kosova is independent no more serbian rule.

"Nationalism is on the rise. You thought the '90s was the rise of nationalism, wait and see.

VETEVENDOSJE!

PROUD TO BE ALBANIAN
(KOSOVARi, 11 September 2009 22:05)"

-- I sincerely doubt the extremists of the Neo-Illyrian race are going to really do anything to irk the EU, especially when they really want to get into Europe. Crude seljaci nationalism, particularly its virulent Albanian strand, has no place in modern Europe.

The protocol should define cooperation in fighting all forms of crime in Kosovo-Metohija, such as trafficking of persons, arms and narcotics, organized crime and all other illegal activities across borders or the administrative boundary, Dačić told the press after a ceremony at the MUP Special Anti-Terrorist Unit (SAJ) Batajnica base, that hosted an international seminar on the fight against terrorism.


This is the best news of the day, coming by coincidence or not the 9/11...

NGO protesting..., well you can't protest for a sovereignty that you don't have, 1244, 6 points, UN, this is the LEGAL reality, the rest is only political blabla and face saving for the muppet show govnt!

Though it is unfortunate that the protocol was signed, it wasn’t unexpected. The moment EULEX agreed to come to Kosovo, indifferent of the status, is when everyone knew something of the sort will occur. What’s bothering, is the fact that the government in Kosovo was blinded by corruption and refused to listen to their major opposition party, Self –Determination.

There is only one move made by the government in Kosovo which is to be applauded. That is the fact that they did not budge to the pressure and went on the record to refuse the protocol. This should yield benefits in the future. However, no one can bet his/her life on the fact that Kosovo (government) will not change its position in the near future.

The similarities between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo are becoming clearer everyday. It has become clearer that Western Europe is terrified of having two predominantly Muslim countries (though in Kosovo, the separation of church and state is very clear, and Kosovars are quit possibly the most liberal Muslims in the world) governed without supervision. It has also become clearer that Western Europe is afraid that corruption and other illegal activities currently occurring in Kosovo might escalate if Kosovo is self-governed. Most will have to agree with the latter, since the current administration in Kosovo is closely tied to many illegal activities. And leaving the country in their hands (so soon after the independence) may be considered a suicide. Therefore, this is the reason why EULEX enjoys absolute power.

I would not go as far as to say that Kosovo is not independent and that one day it will return to Serbia. But the supervised independence has become quite clear as of late.

It was recognised under the 6 points that the Northern areas would be administered by Serbia. As the 6 points are clearly being respected, what exactly do you expect in terms of "arm-twisting" of Serbia?
--
To start: FULL Kosovo customs in the two points. Stay tuned for the rest. 6 Points...hehe. Don't make me laugh

--
To start: FULL Kosovo customs in the two points. Stay tuned for the rest. 6 Points...hehe. Don't make me laugh
(arta, 11 September 2009 19:49)

Give us a break arta, for one week you have been threatening that 95% of the population are supposely against it and ready to fight for, maybe you meant 5% of nationalist, because am sure that 95% of the population is tired to be run by criminals and nationalist!

serbia.We just needed to convince every albanian to be convinced that working with eulex is working for serbia:this is done now,and well done thaks to kermabon.
(lili, 11 September 2009 21:00)

And what is the problem if EULEX works with Serbia as long as it can clean the criminals operating in this black hole, I don't get your point!!!
Should the all world create different organizations working only with and for kosovo to satisfy your pride, time to stop dreaming!

K-Alb will never be ruled by Serbia again.
(Denis, 11 September 2009 20:22)
--
Denis, you are right. Serbia has no interest in ruling Kosovo Albanians and that is why we have offered self-rule in our more than autonomy less than independence proposal. In fact Serbia has offered more to our ethnic Albanian citizen than the US or EU will ever deliver. We have warned you time and again that you are being duped and it seems you are finally realising it. EULEX is not there for either Serbians or ethnic Albanians but only for itself.

Having said that, our ethnic Albanian citizens would never dare rise up against the EU. In that case you can kiss every carrot they delivered good bye.

Puppets Thaci and Tadic are behaving so as far as the EU and US are concerned, all is going well.

illegal activities currently occurring in Kosovo might escalate if Kosovo is self-governed. Most will have to agree with the latter, since the current administration in Kosovo is closely tied to many illegal activities. And leaving the country in their hands (so soon after the independence) may be considered a suicide. Therefore, this is the reason why EULEX enjoys absolute power.

I would not go as far as to say that Kosovo is not independent and that one day it will return to Serbia. But the supervised independence has become quite clear as of late.
(Uran, 11 September 2009 22:10)

Fair analysis of the reality on the ground, but tell me how many people think like you in kosovo.
Looking at the nationalist comments on this site, I would say not too many!

Finally my homeboy Jason woke up from rude awaking.eulex can park their vehivles anywhere they wish is no problem. But, the likes of you are a problem that puts oil into fire.

Nationalism is on the rise. You thought the '90s was the rise of nationalism, wait and see.

VETEVENDOSJE!

PROUD TO BE ALBANIAN

jason,
if you think that this was not good for vetevendosja,you are wrong:this is the most big help that vetevendosja has ever received,unvoluntarymay be,but it has convinced every albanian how right vetevendosja was...
and that is the most important for tomorrow being united as albanians. we have not been dupe as some say.we do know that eulex worked ,works and will work with serbia.We just needed to convince every albanian to be convinced that working with eulex is working for serbia:this is done now,and well done thaks to kermabon.

Eulex supported by albanians until it didnt serve them anymore, The albanian way I know whats best, I can rule myself, I am the greatest, what a joke I read in a previous blog time for EULEX an UNMIK to go, I agree lets get out and let them have their country back, Oh that would be Serbia because without the above mentioned parties that is who will be taking back what is rightfully theirs.

Not much I can add in here except that Kosovo institutions are ignored in this case, not that wise. Anyhow EU ans US ignore whoever they want because thay can, they have been ignoring Serbia for 20 years now.
This protcol aknowledges that there is a organised crime in Serbia too,so Kosovo is notalone in here too.
Jason, dont be scared. I am in albanian area right now and dont plan to leave since there is no need. Instead, I suggest you look after the Albanians in north of Kosovo since their property is beign attacked everyday.

Good!

The only thing we need to know is the how much Prishtina priced it.

So the rundown to this agreement is that Serbia signs an agreement with EULEX, an international mission which recognises the Government of Kosovo as the only legitimate authority in Kosovo.
The agreement effectively enables Kosovo police to secure Kosovo's borders and requires Serbia to cooperate with KPS in apprehending criminals in the essentially lawless north. Serbia in effect recognises its boundaries amd compels Serbs in Kosovo to cooperate with KPS, i.e. Kosovo Government. This is, of course, a concession Serbia is making in entering the Schengen List. Final recognition will be needed for accession into EU.

There is no question that the Kosovo government officials look like fools here. I am scratching my head why they were publicly coming against it knowing full well they will have to agree with it( apparently) in the end. It's possible they were able to extract something out of the E.U . It's even possible the agreement may actually be to the benefit of Kosovo. What is not possible is for the Kosovo government to come out of this looking good a few weeks before election. Pretty dumb!

How come my comments do not post here? I surely am not using anything offensive.

Anyways, my opinion is that this signing seems like an example of a neighbor coming to my home's door and keeping check just because our other neighbor says so...without my permission. Seems like I will come to find my door wide open.

'this "acceptance" resulting obviously after some behind the scenes arm twisting by an increasingly exasperated West. '

RFE is reporting that President Sejdiu and U.S. Ambassador Hill are signing an agreement Monday on American support for
'the development of the Kosovar state.' Not exactly arm-twisting: if a state is asked to give up something in the interest of others, it is entitled to some consideration. That's all - no 'increasingly exasperated West' is apparent here.

Hehehehe, get ready for phase II: Unified Customs and unified law and order in North. Plus a positive report from EU in October. EULEX signed those deals with Fyrom, Albania, and MN so why we care, we just wanted to get something in return and to tell them to be careful.

Let's the see arm-twisting that Serbia gets now!

Ha ha ha! You see what a little armtwisting can do. Albanians: get used to being ruled!

So again: EULEX is in control of Kosovo!

Kosovo 'government' can say yes or no but EULEX signs anyway?

Independent? I would not say so!

Ha ha ha! You see what a little armtwisting can do. Albanians: get used to being ruled!
(MikeC, 11 September 2009 14:39)

But again: that is wat UNMIK/EULEX should do! UN governs Kosovo. As it is not a state but a Serbian province. Check 1244.

By the way: this is good news. Good the EU shows that they are in control. And not the socalled 'government'. Thumbs up for EU!

I think Kosovo has nothing to worry about this. It was meant to be supervised independence, so these events are normal. EU is trying to make Serbia happy by giving them some left overs. It's fine, if this makes Serbia feel better, so be it. But Serbia is delusional if it believes it will rule Kosovo again some day.

K-Alb will never be ruled by Serbia again.

Very good now serbia fell on the hook. No more serbian anarchy in the northern part Kosova is independent no more serbian rule.

It was recognised under the 6 points that the Northern areas would be administered by Serbia. As the 6 points are clearly being respected, what exactly do you expect in terms of "arm-twisting" of Serbia?
--
To start: FULL Kosovo customs in the two points. Stay tuned for the rest. 6 Points...hehe. Don't make me laugh

Nationalism is on the rise. You thought the '90s was the rise of nationalism, wait and see.

VETEVENDOSJE!

PROUD TO BE ALBANIAN

ARTA: "Let's the see arm-twisting that Serbia gets now!"

While I applaud you trying to save face on this one, it really is impossible. Things have been spelled out loud and clear.

What arm twisting can Serbia get in comparison? Kosovo is being run by the UN and EULEX (under the UN). The province is still legally part of Serbia, so what exactly do you expect them to do?

It was recognised under the 6 points that the Northern areas would be administered by Serbia. As the 6 points are clearly being respected, what exactly do you expect in terms of "arm-twisting" of Serbia?

The only "arm-twisting" is going to be getting the Kosovo govt back to the table either directly or via the UN to sort out a proper longterm legal status solution.

this "acceptance" resulting obviously after some behind the scenes arm twisting by an increasingly exasperated West.

You mess around with your pseudo colonial masters at your own peril.

Finally my homeboy Jason woke up from rude awaking.eulex can park their vehivles anywhere they wish is no problem. But, the likes of you are a problem that puts oil into fire.

""It is a matter of hours, not days, before Priština gives the green light to the signing of the EULEX-Serbia protocol," an unnamed European diplomat was quoted by daily Koha Ditore."

So? Who cares? It would have been signed with or without Hash's firman. This is just a way for him to save face after EULEX probably threatened to pull money away if he didn't dance to their tune.

No doubt we;ll hear something in the coming days from Pristina about EULEX finally "agreeing" to their terms and how EULEX must go through them and blah blah blah.

jason,
if you think that this was not good for vetevendosja,you are wrong:this is the most big help that vetevendosja has ever received,unvoluntarymay be,but it has convinced every albanian how right vetevendosja was...
and that is the most important for tomorrow being united as albanians. we have not been dupe as some say.we do know that eulex worked ,works and will work with serbia.We just needed to convince every albanian to be convinced that working with eulex is working for serbia:this is done now,and well done thaks to kermabon.

Hehehehe, get ready for phase II: Unified Customs and unified law and order in North. Plus a positive report from EU in October. EULEX signed those deals with Fyrom, Albania, and MN so why we care, we just wanted to get something in return and to tell them to be careful.

Let's the see arm-twisting that Serbia gets now!
(aRTA, 11 September 2009 15:33)

It's funny but I could have sworn I recalled Arta and many others say this will never happen because of the wrath of the Albanian population... well, it HAS happened and there is nothing else to be done. The Serbs in Kosovo (for the most part) have no problem with this nor do they care. Well, to be honest, some I have spoken to are for it simply because it enrages Pristina so much - but I digress...) Bottom line, it is good for law abiding Serbs and Albanians, and not good for criminals or the the whiners at Vetevendosje. I hope EULEX staff parks their cars in Serbian areas for safety this weekend though!

Not much I can add in here except that Kosovo institutions are ignored in this case, not that wise. Anyhow EU ans US ignore whoever they want because thay can, they have been ignoring Serbia for 20 years now.
This protcol aknowledges that there is a organised crime in Serbia too,so Kosovo is notalone in here too.
Jason, dont be scared. I am in albanian area right now and dont plan to leave since there is no need. Instead, I suggest you look after the Albanians in north of Kosovo since their property is beign attacked everyday.

But didn't EULEX just say they didn't need the signature of the Pristina govt and they were going ahead and signing without them??

Talk about locking the door after the horse has bolted! This is extremely poor publicity crisis management.

The protocol should define cooperation in fighting all forms of crime in Kosovo-Metohija, such as trafficking of persons, arms and narcotics, organized crime and all other illegal activities across borders or the administrative boundary, Dačić told the press after a ceremony at the MUP Special Anti-Terrorist Unit (SAJ) Batajnica base, that hosted an international seminar on the fight against terrorism.


This is the best news of the day, coming by coincidence or not the 9/11...

NGO protesting..., well you can't protest for a sovereignty that you don't have, 1244, 6 points, UN, this is the LEGAL reality, the rest is only political blabla and face saving for the muppet show govnt!

I honestly do not understand the concept of arm-twisting that is being brought up by many commentators here. If both Serbia and EULEX said that they do not need an approval from the Kosovo government for the protocol to be signed why would they waste their time in twisting Kosovo’s arms?
The reality is that if EULEX and Serbia signed the protocol (which is all technical procedures) without the green light from Kosovo then it would just be that a signed document and nothing else. Because without the cooperation and the blessing of the Kosovo government and the local police the protocol would have been just another document stockpiled somewhere.

--
To start: FULL Kosovo customs in the two points. Stay tuned for the rest. 6 Points...hehe. Don't make me laugh
(arta, 11 September 2009 19:49)

Give us a break arta, for one week you have been threatening that 95% of the population are supposely against it and ready to fight for, maybe you meant 5% of nationalist, because am sure that 95% of the population is tired to be run by criminals and nationalist!

K-Alb will never be ruled by Serbia again.
(Denis, 11 September 2009 20:22)

And I bet you live outside as a golden expat..

This is not about who rules who, it is about the rule of law, on whichever side.
It however looks like it is making the k-a so nervous like they have so much to hide, or simply because it makes the Serbs happy...
You want to get recognition, then start to grow!

So the rundown to this agreement is that Serbia signs an agreement with EULEX, an international mission which recognises the Government of Kosovo as the only legitimate authority in Kosovo.
The agreement effectively enables Kosovo police to secure Kosovo's borders and requires Serbia to cooperate with KPS in apprehending criminals in the essentially lawless north. Serbia in effect recognises its boundaries amd compels Serbs in Kosovo to cooperate with KPS, i.e. Kosovo Government. This is, of course, a concession Serbia is making in entering the Schengen List. Final recognition will be needed for accession into EU.

serbia.We just needed to convince every albanian to be convinced that working with eulex is working for serbia:this is done now,and well done thaks to kermabon.
(lili, 11 September 2009 21:00)

And what is the problem if EULEX works with Serbia as long as it can clean the criminals operating in this black hole, I don't get your point!!!
Should the all world create different organizations working only with and for kosovo to satisfy your pride, time to stop dreaming!

Good!

The only thing we need to know is the how much Prishtina priced it.

K-Alb will never be ruled by Serbia again.
(Denis, 11 September 2009 20:22)
--
Denis, you are right. Serbia has no interest in ruling Kosovo Albanians and that is why we have offered self-rule in our more than autonomy less than independence proposal. In fact Serbia has offered more to our ethnic Albanian citizen than the US or EU will ever deliver. We have warned you time and again that you are being duped and it seems you are finally realising it. EULEX is not there for either Serbians or ethnic Albanians but only for itself.

Having said that, our ethnic Albanian citizens would never dare rise up against the EU. In that case you can kiss every carrot they delivered good bye.

Puppets Thaci and Tadic are behaving so as far as the EU and US are concerned, all is going well.

"Nationalism is on the rise. You thought the '90s was the rise of nationalism, wait and see.

VETEVENDOSJE!

PROUD TO BE ALBANIAN
(KOSOVARi, 11 September 2009 22:05)"

-- I sincerely doubt the extremists of the Neo-Illyrian race are going to really do anything to irk the EU, especially when they really want to get into Europe. Crude seljaci nationalism, particularly its virulent Albanian strand, has no place in modern Europe.

Eulex supported by albanians until it didnt serve them anymore, The albanian way I know whats best, I can rule myself, I am the greatest, what a joke I read in a previous blog time for EULEX an UNMIK to go, I agree lets get out and let them have their country back, Oh that would be Serbia because without the above mentioned parties that is who will be taking back what is rightfully theirs.

There is no question that the Kosovo government officials look like fools here. I am scratching my head why they were publicly coming against it knowing full well they will have to agree with it( apparently) in the end. It's possible they were able to extract something out of the E.U . It's even possible the agreement may actually be to the benefit of Kosovo. What is not possible is for the Kosovo government to come out of this looking good a few weeks before election. Pretty dumb!

Though it is unfortunate that the protocol was signed, it wasn’t unexpected. The moment EULEX agreed to come to Kosovo, indifferent of the status, is when everyone knew something of the sort will occur. What’s bothering, is the fact that the government in Kosovo was blinded by corruption and refused to listen to their major opposition party, Self –Determination.

There is only one move made by the government in Kosovo which is to be applauded. That is the fact that they did not budge to the pressure and went on the record to refuse the protocol. This should yield benefits in the future. However, no one can bet his/her life on the fact that Kosovo (government) will not change its position in the near future.

The similarities between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo are becoming clearer everyday. It has become clearer that Western Europe is terrified of having two predominantly Muslim countries (though in Kosovo, the separation of church and state is very clear, and Kosovars are quit possibly the most liberal Muslims in the world) governed without supervision. It has also become clearer that Western Europe is afraid that corruption and other illegal activities currently occurring in Kosovo might escalate if Kosovo is self-governed. Most will have to agree with the latter, since the current administration in Kosovo is closely tied to many illegal activities. And leaving the country in their hands (so soon after the independence) may be considered a suicide. Therefore, this is the reason why EULEX enjoys absolute power.

I would not go as far as to say that Kosovo is not independent and that one day it will return to Serbia. But the supervised independence has become quite clear as of late.

illegal activities currently occurring in Kosovo might escalate if Kosovo is self-governed. Most will have to agree with the latter, since the current administration in Kosovo is closely tied to many illegal activities. And leaving the country in their hands (so soon after the independence) may be considered a suicide. Therefore, this is the reason why EULEX enjoys absolute power.

I would not go as far as to say that Kosovo is not independent and that one day it will return to Serbia. But the supervised independence has become quite clear as of late.
(Uran, 11 September 2009 22:10)

Fair analysis of the reality on the ground, but tell me how many people think like you in kosovo.
Looking at the nationalist comments on this site, I would say not too many!

How come my comments do not post here? I surely am not using anything offensive.

Anyways, my opinion is that this signing seems like an example of a neighbor coming to my home's door and keeping check just because our other neighbor says so...without my permission. Seems like I will come to find my door wide open.

'this "acceptance" resulting obviously after some behind the scenes arm twisting by an increasingly exasperated West. '

RFE is reporting that President Sejdiu and U.S. Ambassador Hill are signing an agreement Monday on American support for
'the development of the Kosovar state.' Not exactly arm-twisting: if a state is asked to give up something in the interest of others, it is entitled to some consideration. That's all - no 'increasingly exasperated West' is apparent here.