Serbs prevented from reaching memorial

This is what is called the freedom of movement of etnicities in the democratic kosovo! Congratulations

I pray for the day when this monster of a state will be abolished and Serbian army and police returns...

I wonder what excuse albanians will use this time: perhaps the Serbs were not let through because they didn’t pay their bus fare.
This is nothing short of harassment and the international community is turning a blind eye. Remember Serbia! This is what an independent Kosovo is all about.

So called international community can see the true face of kosovo Albanians! Unfortunately I'm afraid they act as they don't wanna see the real situation in Kosovo. Albanians don't want to live with others. They want ethnically cleaned albanian state in 21. century! Sad but true!

"Police only respected the government's decision"

So - this is official Priština politics - expelled of all Serbs from Kosovo.

Why o why? The Serb Propaganda machines will eat this up like cake.

No wonder Serbs are resisting in enclaves and in North Kosovo! Who can blame them!

All this for 3 hours of a simple police procedure.

I waited for 8 hours at the merdar border this summer for the serbian police to allow us to drive through, yet you do not see the kosovan people publishing this all over the news.

Get used to it, it is the right of the kosovar police to check any of its citizens including the serbian minority.

"..prohibited entrance to 75 persons due to a violation of procedures related to their visit to Kosovo"

Excellent work Prishtina. Let them feel how Albanians have feelt when they are rejected driving through Serbia from Kosovo. Oh, and here I thought EULEX were in charge and Prishtina only take orders.

So tell me who rules Kosovo now ? Eulex ? Serbia ? KPS are the main police force in Kosovo dealing with crime and security. Not Eulex and not Serbia in any form.


As long as Serbia causes problems for Kosovar citizens and Kosovo goverment there should be the same respons from Kosovo when it come to serbs and the serbian goverment.

From my opinion I would close the border to Serbia and never open it again before Serbia recognize that Kosovo is a country now. No export and no import. When Serbia wants good neighbourly relations then maybee we can open the borders again.


Serbian numberplates on cars will soon be illegal in Kosovo because there is a new law coming soon. The goverment in Prishtina is working on many laws that will prohbit serbs fom joining pararell structures.

Time is on our side fellows. Not on Serbian.

@smulan

Kosovo is not 1/1 albanian property, so it's not up to you to decide who can and who can't enter Kosovo. As sooner as better for you to understand that.

for others: typically albanian

Serbian propaganda!

Whenever they don't have any arguments that's the answer.
Sad!

I pray for the day when this monster of a state will be abolished and Serbian army and police returns...
(TITO, 11 September 2009 11:43)

I cannot name a single definition typical for a "State" what this creature would met. It's a criminal gang organized by few mobsters. For local small business owners in Pristina they are parazites with protection money/extortion to pay. For some others - they can feed their nationalism. Drenica clan is criminal organization and the sooner they go the better.

As for Serbian army and police returning: here these have to grow up to that task significantly, both technically and morally. With this animosity being fed to both sides on both sides I cannot imagine, the life of local Albanian majority under Serbian-only force would be anything, but hell. Precisely, like the life of Serbs currently.

So:

- Partition from Serbia is unacceptable
- Albanian-only rule is unacceptable
- Serbian-only rule is unacceptable

What is acceptable is to learn how to live together. In my opinion and alone from the sheer number of trolling comments we see, Albanians have a longer way to make than Serbs. This incident does prove it, too.

Time to call up some Serbian forces to protect the Serbs - as KPS is definately not neutral or supportive

Another example of Albanian bigotry and intolerance. But sooner or later, these incidents will backfire on them. The EU will have to face up to the fact that the temporary institutions in Pristina are corrupt and dysfunctional.

Looks like yet another 'missed opportunity' for the 'authorities in pristina' in putting into practice those 'excellent provisions for the protection of the rights of minorities in Kosovo - the strongest in Europe', as enshrined in th K-albanian pseudo-state's constitution.

Will make yet another addition to Serbia's arguments before the ICJ.

'Smulan' said:
> Serbian numberplates on cars will soon be illegal in Kosovo because there is a new law coming soon. The goverment in Prishtina is working on many laws that will prohbit serbs fom joining pararell structures.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Just about as well as that 'so-called' constitution.

> Time is on our side fellows. Not on Serbian.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

Judging by how long the 'honeymoon period' was for EULEX, hardly think so. Unless that is, a fake-state where organised crime is the form of government, with sky-rocketing unemployment, subsidised by the EU to the tune of tens of billions of euros, somehow manages to turn things around.

Curious that the very demographics that once worked for the K-albanians now hinder their development. That coupled with 'donor fatigue' coupled with a shift in US policy somewhere down the track doesn't bode well for the future of this bogus-state.

'Time is on our side'?

Sure looks like it.

After reading through the comments, I see that with the exception of louie (whose input is always respected but sadly all too infrequent on this site) that most of the Albanians here fall into two camps: the "I have nothing else better to say but 'Serb propaganda'" camp, and the "yay us, we're awesome and we showed them" camp.

First, based on the information gleaned here, I fail to see how a group of Serbs attending a memorial can be turned back. I also fail to see any display of activity that would have "offended" Albanians (boo hoo, but I've realized that even a slight criticism of Albanians constitutes a gross insult to some). But most importantly, I fail to see how the Albanians, who are desperately trying to show they're the more civilized group of the two, and the ones trying to push the idea that Kosovo is a multiethnic and tolerant place, can then decide at will who to allow to pass and who to turn back. Obviously these KPS individuals either never read the Ahtisaari Plan (that thing Pristina is still trying to follow) or are simply illiterate rednecks. Moreover, the comments here from various Albanians (who no doubt are diaspora nationalists - the absolute WORST type of nationalists anywhere) regularly display absolutely no tolerance for anyone other than themselves. They may be able to chalk it up to Serbs making up a story, or they may chalk it up to some petty form of revenge for something that happened more than 10 years ago by people who were not in this travelling group, but the KPS rent-a-cops displayed they're just another bunch of seljaci who use their power for personal self gratification. I fail to see how this help Kosovo's supposed "muliethnic" character.

Another sensitive story!!!

I think the issue of missing persons should be taken more seriously,there are 1900 Kosovan Albanians still missing and I don't know exactly how many K-serbs are missing,but no matter nationality,they should be found and their souls should rest peacefully near their families!!!

Now this attempt of 80 Serbs to attend to this memorial,I think is a complex issue,as much as I want to be in their side,same time I would like to ask you a question:What if 1900 relatives of missing Albanians went to Belgrade and asked the Serbian Goverment,where are the bodies of their loved ones!!!

So for me I think is wrong to use this situation to provoke the Kosova Government!

All the missing persons should be found and both governments should be working together,after all,we are human beings!!!
Peace and Love to all!!!

"I bet the serb visitors diden't obey with the rules and standards of the goverment of Kosovo when it comes to visit places in Kosovo from other countrys."
Smulan

What rules??? First of all Kosovo is Serbia and not another coutnry. But for argument sake lets play your game. Then you wouldn't mind if those same rules apply to albanians traveling between Kosovo and Presevo?

So tell me who rules Kosovo now ? Eulex ? Serbia ? KPS are the main police force in Kosovo dealing with crime and security. Not Eulex and not Serbia in any form.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

1) Significant parts of it are under quasi-control of Drenica clan. "Quasi" because they can bend to anyone if that helps them to keep their sphere of influence.

2) Significant parts of it are under quasi-control of Belgrade. Go to Звечан and try to complain why there are Serbian flags and Железнице Србиjе logos all over the place. Also try to convince them, it's Zveçani, not Звечан properly - and see, what happens. You may propose a meeting with your beloved Quetzalcoatl ( = Aztec pigeon-snake god, feeding on human organs) in that town and wait indefinitly till either "pigeon" or the "snake" will dare to show up there... which is "officially" the part of their criminal empire.

3) There is UNMIK and EULEX all over it. But neither seem to be sure what for. KPS is mightly confused and much is open to their interpretation. As for crime, here the Drenica clan is the main actor and factor.

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From my opinion I would close the border to Serbia and never open it again before Serbia recognize that Kosovo is a country now. No export and no import. When Serbia wants good neighbourly relations then maybee we can open the borders again.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

In the past, Enver Hoxha did the same - closing the borders. Was a bad idea. OK, try to close the border around UNMIK GATE #1 and see, what happens. Probably go to Звечан first and try to convince them to worship Quetzalcoatl and not listen to their local priests.

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Serbian numberplates on cars will soon be illegal in Kosovo because there is a new law coming soon. The goverment in Prishtina is working on many laws that will prohbit serbs fom joining pararell structures.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

I want to see that. There is nothing illegal in Kosovo as long as people pay the negotiated price. Normally, it's 5-10 Euro. This is Balkan.

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Time is on our side fellows. Not on Serbian.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

And your forefathers told the same good 1700 years ago.

denis:

So Denis why did the Serb army have to enter Kosmet, for no reason? People could not go about their daily lives anymore due to terrorists activity of uck. Serbia should have let you steal Kosmet without a fight right? I don't know what terror you are referring to? You mean all those cowardly murders and torture from uck terrorists? uck had a job (instructed none other than america) to provoke Serb army, by launching waves of terror on civillian population and Serb police. They also brutally murdered a lot of albanians loyal to Serbia.

I wonder what excuse albanians will use this time: perhaps the Serbs were not let through because they didn’t pay their bus fare.
This is nothing short of harassment and the international community is turning a blind eye. Remember Serbia! This is what an independent Kosovo is all about.
(MikeC, 11 September 2009 11:43)


I dont think they did it for fun. I bet the serb visitors diden't obey with the rules and standards of the goverment of Kosovo when it comes to visit places in Kosovo from other countrys. I bet they followed the rules of Belgrade and that is illegal in Kosovo.

another example of the "tolerant" behavior of the so called "albanian institutions". Well done guys. One more step closer to the eu....Lets see what our "K-albanian" friends are gonna think to justify this time lol..
"maybe the serbs violated this rule"
"maybe the serbs did this"
This is starting to become really pathetic..

"So called international community can see the true face of kosovo Albanians!"

Another example of Albanian bigotry and intolerance. But sooner or later, these incidents will backfire on them. The EU will have to face up to the fact that the temporary institutions in Pristina are corrupt and dysfunctional."

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Maybe they were sick and tired of propaganda, 1900 Albanians are STILL missing yet Serbia isn't digging around their MUP headquarters.

Or maybe we don't accept the Serbian passports, like you don't accept the Kosovo passports. Tit for Tat. Merchandise is next

Dear Ataman,
I mostly agree with your first comment but for the part about partition. And so the question is why not?
We shared that blood soaked little piece of land with Albanians from the middle ages and while we were overlords and majority we had peace. But that does not mean that they were happy. It was more like they were waiting for their moment to be the lords themselves. And when that happened we know what the consequences were for the Serbs. And so the cycle of revenge started...
To learn to live side by side in civilized manner...hm....it will take at least "few" generations. This problem goes back right to Freud and Jung I am afraid. Do we have time to "shrink" the Albanians to the blank mind and start from the beggining? Patience is in very limited supply in Serbia.
So we come to partition. I fear we shall have to abandon some land and exchange some for longstanding peace. The alternative is all out war which Europe would not allow, just yet.

Can the Albanians build one in Bajtajnica? If not, then stop complaining

Screw that. In the future, drive through KM, change your plates at the bridge, and travel on south from there. It's far easier and cuts out the unnecessary KPS middleman.

Ever since I remember things and how political situation developed in Kosovo, I can only say that Serbs always were found as victims, persecuted from others, Albanians, Croats, Bosnians. What I do remember that us (Albanians) always had to be careful what we talk, how we behave, what we think, otherwise we would get punished, than by Serbian Police and Belgrade's policy. Now, international community is acting in same way, putting Serb community in a first place, leaving all other Kosovo communities behind. Couple of days ago, I read an article by one Int. source saying that Kosovo Institutions are not doing enough for protecting minorities. Where is Int. Community in this case? Why do they worry only about Serb enclaves? Shouldn't they act equally for each citizen in Kosovo?

It is plain disgusting to see what Kosovo government is capable of every time they're left to their own devices.
"Democracy" becomes Darvinism, and law turns into terror, humiliation if not much worse (beatings).
What an unacceptable and miserable level of civility they demonstrate!

Why? - Afraid of publicity or something to hide...

"Serbia does not accept any Kosovo or UNMIK passports already so..."
aRTA

Serbia still considers Kosovo to be its province. That's why no passports have to be accepted. K-Albanians can move freely anywhere in Serbia. If not, how do you explain all those trying to get new Serbian passports valid ALL OVER Europe and not just in a handfull of countries that recognized?

"Where is EULEX? I thought Bogdanovic said that Kosova is ruled by EULEX and Serbia."
aRTA

You seem to have a short memory. Eulex just signed a deal with Serbia. They signed it on behalf of Kosovo and despite Albanian opposition!

Anything else?

All the missing persons should be found and both governments should be working together,after all,we are human beings!!!
Peace and Love to all!!!
(louie, 11 September 2009 12:47)

Thanks for your constructive contribution, you should really be more often posting!

--"Obviously these KPS individuals either never read the Ahtisaari Plan (that thing Pristina is still trying to follow) or are simply illiterate rednecks."
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Serbs don't accept Ahtisaari for now so that is irrelevant. When they accept it, then they can ask for the privileges.


--"What rules??? First of all Kosovo is Serbia and not another coutnry. But for argument sake lets play your game. Then you wouldn't mind if those same rules apply to albanians traveling between Kosovo and Presevo?
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Serbia does not accept any Kosovo or UNMIK passports already so...

If Kosova is a Serbian province, take it up with Dacic, stop complaining about Albanian police.

Where is EULEX? I thought Bogdanovic said that Kosova is ruled by EULEX and Serbia.

(roberto, 12 September 2009 03:32)

We checked, and found that your comment has not been edited in any way. I.e., it was posted the way it was sent, in its entirety.

Therefore, in the future, please make sure that you send all of your intended message, in order to avoid wasting your time and ours in this way.

Regards,


B92

Albanians in Kosovo have been systematically abusing and maltreating Serbs for decades before Milosevic came to power. Serbs never received justice from the Albanian controlled police and judiciary. The few Serbs who now remain in Kosovo have no rights, let alone anyone trying to return to re-claim his or her property. A Serbian man was raped with a broken bottle receiving horrendous injuries. Albanian authorities investigating the attack concluded the injuries were sustained during a an auto-erogenous act. Hardly likely. In Macedonia Albanians captured 4 Macedonian men, raped them with broom sticks and carved their initials with knives on the backs of the captured men.

Long before Milosevic came to power in Serbia, "Serb hunting" was reported in western press as being Albanian youth favourite past time.

Who can forget the 1981 riots in Pristina?

When Milosevic visited Pristina to hear and see first hand the plight of Serbs in Kosovo, he was met by thousands, each with their own story. An lederly man cried "they are beating us" to which Milosevic replied: "No on is allowed to beat you". Yet nothing has changed. NATO helped Albanians cleanse Kosovo from most Serbs. Those who remain go to bed in fear they may never wake up. As was last month's incident in which an elderly couple were brutally killed in their house whilst asleep.

"You should have tried to shrink the serbian "minds" to sit down and talk in the 90s when Albanians tried, in an unprecedented peacefull way, to find a solution."


Hey Denis ever heard of the KLA maybe?

"Europe will not allow war, that's true, but I think if they ever do, next time it will be a war of equals"

Denis what do you really mean by that now? Maybe the K-army? (joke) Or the albanian army? (more joke). or you gonna call your american friends again? Too bad for ya but money is running out in the US for new wars...

Do we have time to "shrink" the Albanians to the blank mind and start from the beggining? Patience is in very limited supply in Serbia.
So we come to partition. I fear we shall have to abandon some land and exchange some for longstanding peace. The alternative is all out war which Europe would not allow, just yet.
(TITO, 11 September 2009 16:43)

You should have tried to shrink the serbian "minds" to sit down and talk in the 90s when Albanians tried, in an unprecedented peacefull way, to find a solution. Surprisingly you act as if it wasn't you (the Serbs) who refused to negotiate and who gave Milosevic a free hand to kill and slaughter in Kosovo!

Patience is in a very limited supply in Kosovo too, especially against Serbia who always tries and works hard to their detriment. This is why you get these reactions you see in this article.

It is not the Albanians fault that Serbs come to their senses so late in the game. First you try to experiment by using force and terror and now all of the sudden you talk about negotiations and compromise, especially after 12,000 dead and some 2,000 disappeared.

As for the tolerance and understanding, try to go to Srbrenica as a Bosniak (woman or man) and remember your dead .... and see what awaits you.

I vote for partition too. Take N-Mitrovica and leave us alone. Europe will not allow war, that's true, but I think if they ever do, next time it will be a war of equals.

thank you for showing us the real meaning of 1984. so many layers of bizarre.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 September 2009 03:32)

Roberto,

There is a hidden layer of special Ethernet and Disk Drive Gremlins hidden inside of your machine, mine and of B92 servers. If these Gremlins decide to tease anyone for a purpose only they know - they send a large protocol bug who will eat up whatever he likes. That's the way they live and the purpose of their life is a mystery for humans.

Who can forget the 1981 riots in Pristina?

When Milosevic visited Pristina to hear and see first hand the plight of Serbs in Kosovo, he was met by thousands, each with their own story. An lederly man cried "they are beating us" to which Milosevic replied: "No on is allowed to beat you". Yet nothing has changed. NATO helped Albanians cleanse Kosovo from most Serbs. Those who remain go to bed in fear they may never wake up. As was last month's incident in which an elderly couple were brutally killed in their house whilst asleep.

Mate! Milosevic came in power in 1987. 1981. just 4 yrs after you gain authonomy you wanted to became a state instead it was impossible. So Albanians are responsible for riots in 1981. They organized riots against SRF Yugoslavia.

"..prohibited entrance to 75 persons due to a violation of procedures related to their visit to Kosovo"

Excellent work Prishtina. Let them feel how Albanians have feelt when they are rejected driving through Serbia from Kosovo. Oh, and here I thought EULEX were in charge and Prishtina only take orders.
(Pejoni, 11 September 2009
12:05)

I fully agree with you. Let them learn that it is a two-way street.

"In one incident, Fadil Hoxha, once the leading politician of ethnic Albanian origin in Yugoslavia, joked at an official dinner in Prizren last year that Serbian women should be used to satisfy potential ethnic Albanian rapists. After his quip was reported this October, Serbian women in Kosovo protested, and Mr. Hoxha was dismissed from the Communist Party. "

From New York Tomes 1987.

Thats all about K-Albanians and their leaders.

"Money will never run out for new wars in the US no matter what because for us national security comes first"

Thats why you cant stop begging and pressing the NATO allies to send troops and arms in Afganistan? Where is the attack on North Korea and Iran then? And they have nuks not like Sadam and Milosevic so they are really dangerous.
wars in "forward position"? Hmm do you really believe what Bush feeds you all these years? Maybe you better say "oil and trade in forward position".. Dont forget also 98% of Greek public opinion was against the 1999 NATO bombing so you cant really convince anyone. and believe me we also care about national security thats why we are forced to spend a great percentage of our national gross income to buy arms to protect from Turkey (america's favorite spoiled child) though this could be used on education and social services..cheers

you kept louie's quote with which i began my posting, then removed every single word of my posting (all for only 100% political reasons) then left the quote from him and my name.

thank you for showing us the real meaning of 1984. so many layers of bizarre.

roberto
frisco

Did you hear about wars in "forward position"? It is fighting the ennemy before it comes to us.
And about the costs of those wars? Don't forget that in many ways - through their ramificatins - you may also pay for it.
(Joe, 12 September 2009 17:43)

And when exactly were the Serbs going to attack America?

The only reason America is in this is for profit. The A list wants to be able to use any country for profit and if that country refuses to be used they are labelled undemocratic and it is America's duty to bring democracy to that country.

Nothing to do national security but you are right about interests.

Anything else?
(MikeC, 11 September 2009 22:44

Yeah, this. Where is difference to the current situation and the conditioned independence mentioned in the A-Plan which the Albanians accepted and the Serbs not?

"So for me I think is wrong to use this situation to provoke the Kosova Government!

All the missing persons should be found and both governments should be working together,after all,we are human beings!!!
Peace and Love to all!!!
(louie, 11 September 2009 12:47)

good work kps!

Nikos,

Money will never run out for new wars in the US no matter what because for us national security comes first. It is something not negociable not like in European countries. If we have war or wars in foreign countries than it is directly or indirectly for our national security. Did you hear about wars in "forward position"? It is fighting the ennemy before it comes to us.
And about the costs of those wars? Don't forget that in many ways - through their ramificatins - you may also pay for it.

Until NATO breaks apart or is destroyed this is the reality Serbs face.Kosovo was created with the intent to have it be a constant problem much like Israel to have an eternal struggle.The EU(Germany) and the US have interests that coincide but this fake state cannot be propped up forever.If the EU can get Serbia to break up all but in name (slowly dismantle Vojvodina) before Serbia can get Kosovo back then the Serbs which have been a thorn in Germany's side for a few hundred years will finally be crushed and the conditions of the Serbs in Kosovo now will seem like a picnic.They now have Serbians work from within to destroy the country.Any patriot should be alarmed.Same thing in America the globalists are destroying her from within unless the people resist our future is bleek.

So tell me who rules Kosovo now ? Eulex ? Serbia ? KPS are the main police force in Kosovo dealing with crime and security. Not Eulex and not Serbia in any form.


As long as Serbia causes problems for Kosovar citizens and Kosovo goverment there should be the same respons from Kosovo when it come to serbs and the serbian goverment.

From my opinion I would close the border to Serbia and never open it again before Serbia recognize that Kosovo is a country now. No export and no import. When Serbia wants good neighbourly relations then maybee we can open the borders again.


Serbian numberplates on cars will soon be illegal in Kosovo because there is a new law coming soon. The goverment in Prishtina is working on many laws that will prohbit serbs fom joining pararell structures.

Time is on our side fellows. Not on Serbian.

I pray for the day when this monster of a state will be abolished and Serbian army and police returns...

"..prohibited entrance to 75 persons due to a violation of procedures related to their visit to Kosovo"

Excellent work Prishtina. Let them feel how Albanians have feelt when they are rejected driving through Serbia from Kosovo. Oh, and here I thought EULEX were in charge and Prishtina only take orders.

Why o why? The Serb Propaganda machines will eat this up like cake.

I wonder what excuse albanians will use this time: perhaps the Serbs were not let through because they didn’t pay their bus fare.
This is nothing short of harassment and the international community is turning a blind eye. Remember Serbia! This is what an independent Kosovo is all about.
(MikeC, 11 September 2009 11:43)


I dont think they did it for fun. I bet the serb visitors diden't obey with the rules and standards of the goverment of Kosovo when it comes to visit places in Kosovo from other countrys. I bet they followed the rules of Belgrade and that is illegal in Kosovo.

"Police only respected the government's decision"

So - this is official Priština politics - expelled of all Serbs from Kosovo.

All this for 3 hours of a simple police procedure.

I waited for 8 hours at the merdar border this summer for the serbian police to allow us to drive through, yet you do not see the kosovan people publishing this all over the news.

Get used to it, it is the right of the kosovar police to check any of its citizens including the serbian minority.

I wonder what excuse albanians will use this time: perhaps the Serbs were not let through because they didn’t pay their bus fare.
This is nothing short of harassment and the international community is turning a blind eye. Remember Serbia! This is what an independent Kosovo is all about.

This is what is called the freedom of movement of etnicities in the democratic kosovo! Congratulations

Time to call up some Serbian forces to protect the Serbs - as KPS is definately not neutral or supportive

Can the Albanians build one in Bajtajnica? If not, then stop complaining

@smulan

Kosovo is not 1/1 albanian property, so it's not up to you to decide who can and who can't enter Kosovo. As sooner as better for you to understand that.

for others: typically albanian

Serbian propaganda!

Whenever they don't have any arguments that's the answer.
Sad!

Do we have time to "shrink" the Albanians to the blank mind and start from the beggining? Patience is in very limited supply in Serbia.
So we come to partition. I fear we shall have to abandon some land and exchange some for longstanding peace. The alternative is all out war which Europe would not allow, just yet.
(TITO, 11 September 2009 16:43)

You should have tried to shrink the serbian "minds" to sit down and talk in the 90s when Albanians tried, in an unprecedented peacefull way, to find a solution. Surprisingly you act as if it wasn't you (the Serbs) who refused to negotiate and who gave Milosevic a free hand to kill and slaughter in Kosovo!

Patience is in a very limited supply in Kosovo too, especially against Serbia who always tries and works hard to their detriment. This is why you get these reactions you see in this article.

It is not the Albanians fault that Serbs come to their senses so late in the game. First you try to experiment by using force and terror and now all of the sudden you talk about negotiations and compromise, especially after 12,000 dead and some 2,000 disappeared.

As for the tolerance and understanding, try to go to Srbrenica as a Bosniak (woman or man) and remember your dead .... and see what awaits you.

I vote for partition too. Take N-Mitrovica and leave us alone. Europe will not allow war, that's true, but I think if they ever do, next time it will be a war of equals.

So called international community can see the true face of kosovo Albanians! Unfortunately I'm afraid they act as they don't wanna see the real situation in Kosovo. Albanians don't want to live with others. They want ethnically cleaned albanian state in 21. century! Sad but true!

I pray for the day when this monster of a state will be abolished and Serbian army and police returns...
(TITO, 11 September 2009 11:43)

I cannot name a single definition typical for a "State" what this creature would met. It's a criminal gang organized by few mobsters. For local small business owners in Pristina they are parazites with protection money/extortion to pay. For some others - they can feed their nationalism. Drenica clan is criminal organization and the sooner they go the better.

As for Serbian army and police returning: here these have to grow up to that task significantly, both technically and morally. With this animosity being fed to both sides on both sides I cannot imagine, the life of local Albanian majority under Serbian-only force would be anything, but hell. Precisely, like the life of Serbs currently.

So:

- Partition from Serbia is unacceptable
- Albanian-only rule is unacceptable
- Serbian-only rule is unacceptable

What is acceptable is to learn how to live together. In my opinion and alone from the sheer number of trolling comments we see, Albanians have a longer way to make than Serbs. This incident does prove it, too.

So tell me who rules Kosovo now ? Eulex ? Serbia ? KPS are the main police force in Kosovo dealing with crime and security. Not Eulex and not Serbia in any form.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

1) Significant parts of it are under quasi-control of Drenica clan. "Quasi" because they can bend to anyone if that helps them to keep their sphere of influence.

2) Significant parts of it are under quasi-control of Belgrade. Go to Звечан and try to complain why there are Serbian flags and Железнице Србиjе logos all over the place. Also try to convince them, it's Zveçani, not Звечан properly - and see, what happens. You may propose a meeting with your beloved Quetzalcoatl ( = Aztec pigeon-snake god, feeding on human organs) in that town and wait indefinitly till either "pigeon" or the "snake" will dare to show up there... which is "officially" the part of their criminal empire.

3) There is UNMIK and EULEX all over it. But neither seem to be sure what for. KPS is mightly confused and much is open to their interpretation. As for crime, here the Drenica clan is the main actor and factor.

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From my opinion I would close the border to Serbia and never open it again before Serbia recognize that Kosovo is a country now. No export and no import. When Serbia wants good neighbourly relations then maybee we can open the borders again.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

In the past, Enver Hoxha did the same - closing the borders. Was a bad idea. OK, try to close the border around UNMIK GATE #1 and see, what happens. Probably go to Звечан first and try to convince them to worship Quetzalcoatl and not listen to their local priests.

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Serbian numberplates on cars will soon be illegal in Kosovo because there is a new law coming soon. The goverment in Prishtina is working on many laws that will prohbit serbs fom joining pararell structures.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

I want to see that. There is nothing illegal in Kosovo as long as people pay the negotiated price. Normally, it's 5-10 Euro. This is Balkan.

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Time is on our side fellows. Not on Serbian.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

And your forefathers told the same good 1700 years ago.

--"Obviously these KPS individuals either never read the Ahtisaari Plan (that thing Pristina is still trying to follow) or are simply illiterate rednecks."
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Serbs don't accept Ahtisaari for now so that is irrelevant. When they accept it, then they can ask for the privileges.


--"What rules??? First of all Kosovo is Serbia and not another coutnry. But for argument sake lets play your game. Then you wouldn't mind if those same rules apply to albanians traveling between Kosovo and Presevo?
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Serbia does not accept any Kosovo or UNMIK passports already so...

If Kosova is a Serbian province, take it up with Dacic, stop complaining about Albanian police.

Where is EULEX? I thought Bogdanovic said that Kosova is ruled by EULEX and Serbia.

"So called international community can see the true face of kosovo Albanians!"

Another example of Albanian bigotry and intolerance. But sooner or later, these incidents will backfire on them. The EU will have to face up to the fact that the temporary institutions in Pristina are corrupt and dysfunctional."

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Maybe they were sick and tired of propaganda, 1900 Albanians are STILL missing yet Serbia isn't digging around their MUP headquarters.

Or maybe we don't accept the Serbian passports, like you don't accept the Kosovo passports. Tit for Tat. Merchandise is next

"..prohibited entrance to 75 persons due to a violation of procedures related to their visit to Kosovo"

Excellent work Prishtina. Let them feel how Albanians have feelt when they are rejected driving through Serbia from Kosovo. Oh, and here I thought EULEX were in charge and Prishtina only take orders.
(Pejoni, 11 September 2009
12:05)

I fully agree with you. Let them learn that it is a two-way street.

Ever since I remember things and how political situation developed in Kosovo, I can only say that Serbs always were found as victims, persecuted from others, Albanians, Croats, Bosnians. What I do remember that us (Albanians) always had to be careful what we talk, how we behave, what we think, otherwise we would get punished, than by Serbian Police and Belgrade's policy. Now, international community is acting in same way, putting Serb community in a first place, leaving all other Kosovo communities behind. Couple of days ago, I read an article by one Int. source saying that Kosovo Institutions are not doing enough for protecting minorities. Where is Int. Community in this case? Why do they worry only about Serb enclaves? Shouldn't they act equally for each citizen in Kosovo?

Another example of Albanian bigotry and intolerance. But sooner or later, these incidents will backfire on them. The EU will have to face up to the fact that the temporary institutions in Pristina are corrupt and dysfunctional.

another example of the "tolerant" behavior of the so called "albanian institutions". Well done guys. One more step closer to the eu....Lets see what our "K-albanian" friends are gonna think to justify this time lol..
"maybe the serbs violated this rule"
"maybe the serbs did this"
This is starting to become really pathetic..

Looks like yet another 'missed opportunity' for the 'authorities in pristina' in putting into practice those 'excellent provisions for the protection of the rights of minorities in Kosovo - the strongest in Europe', as enshrined in th K-albanian pseudo-state's constitution.

Will make yet another addition to Serbia's arguments before the ICJ.

'Smulan' said:
> Serbian numberplates on cars will soon be illegal in Kosovo because there is a new law coming soon. The goverment in Prishtina is working on many laws that will prohbit serbs fom joining pararell structures.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Just about as well as that 'so-called' constitution.

> Time is on our side fellows. Not on Serbian.
(Smulan, 11 September 2009 10:53)

Judging by how long the 'honeymoon period' was for EULEX, hardly think so. Unless that is, a fake-state where organised crime is the form of government, with sky-rocketing unemployment, subsidised by the EU to the tune of tens of billions of euros, somehow manages to turn things around.

Curious that the very demographics that once worked for the K-albanians now hinder their development. That coupled with 'donor fatigue' coupled with a shift in US policy somewhere down the track doesn't bode well for the future of this bogus-state.

'Time is on our side'?

Sure looks like it.

denis:

So Denis why did the Serb army have to enter Kosmet, for no reason? People could not go about their daily lives anymore due to terrorists activity of uck. Serbia should have let you steal Kosmet without a fight right? I don't know what terror you are referring to? You mean all those cowardly murders and torture from uck terrorists? uck had a job (instructed none other than america) to provoke Serb army, by launching waves of terror on civillian population and Serb police. They also brutally murdered a lot of albanians loyal to Serbia.

No wonder Serbs are resisting in enclaves and in North Kosovo! Who can blame them!

Why? - Afraid of publicity or something to hide...

Another sensitive story!!!

I think the issue of missing persons should be taken more seriously,there are 1900 Kosovan Albanians still missing and I don't know exactly how many K-serbs are missing,but no matter nationality,they should be found and their souls should rest peacefully near their families!!!

Now this attempt of 80 Serbs to attend to this memorial,I think is a complex issue,as much as I want to be in their side,same time I would like to ask you a question:What if 1900 relatives of missing Albanians went to Belgrade and asked the Serbian Goverment,where are the bodies of their loved ones!!!

So for me I think is wrong to use this situation to provoke the Kosova Government!

All the missing persons should be found and both governments should be working together,after all,we are human beings!!!
Peace and Love to all!!!

"So for me I think is wrong to use this situation to provoke the Kosova Government!

All the missing persons should be found and both governments should be working together,after all,we are human beings!!!
Peace and Love to all!!!
(louie, 11 September 2009 12:47)

you kept louie's quote with which i began my posting, then removed every single word of my posting (all for only 100% political reasons) then left the quote from him and my name.

thank you for showing us the real meaning of 1984. so many layers of bizarre.

roberto
frisco

Screw that. In the future, drive through KM, change your plates at the bridge, and travel on south from there. It's far easier and cuts out the unnecessary KPS middleman.

After reading through the comments, I see that with the exception of louie (whose input is always respected but sadly all too infrequent on this site) that most of the Albanians here fall into two camps: the "I have nothing else better to say but 'Serb propaganda'" camp, and the "yay us, we're awesome and we showed them" camp.

First, based on the information gleaned here, I fail to see how a group of Serbs attending a memorial can be turned back. I also fail to see any display of activity that would have "offended" Albanians (boo hoo, but I've realized that even a slight criticism of Albanians constitutes a gross insult to some). But most importantly, I fail to see how the Albanians, who are desperately trying to show they're the more civilized group of the two, and the ones trying to push the idea that Kosovo is a multiethnic and tolerant place, can then decide at will who to allow to pass and who to turn back. Obviously these KPS individuals either never read the Ahtisaari Plan (that thing Pristina is still trying to follow) or are simply illiterate rednecks. Moreover, the comments here from various Albanians (who no doubt are diaspora nationalists - the absolute WORST type of nationalists anywhere) regularly display absolutely no tolerance for anyone other than themselves. They may be able to chalk it up to Serbs making up a story, or they may chalk it up to some petty form of revenge for something that happened more than 10 years ago by people who were not in this travelling group, but the KPS rent-a-cops displayed they're just another bunch of seljaci who use their power for personal self gratification. I fail to see how this help Kosovo's supposed "muliethnic" character.

Dear Ataman,
I mostly agree with your first comment but for the part about partition. And so the question is why not?
We shared that blood soaked little piece of land with Albanians from the middle ages and while we were overlords and majority we had peace. But that does not mean that they were happy. It was more like they were waiting for their moment to be the lords themselves. And when that happened we know what the consequences were for the Serbs. And so the cycle of revenge started...
To learn to live side by side in civilized manner...hm....it will take at least "few" generations. This problem goes back right to Freud and Jung I am afraid. Do we have time to "shrink" the Albanians to the blank mind and start from the beggining? Patience is in very limited supply in Serbia.
So we come to partition. I fear we shall have to abandon some land and exchange some for longstanding peace. The alternative is all out war which Europe would not allow, just yet.

good work kps!

"I bet the serb visitors diden't obey with the rules and standards of the goverment of Kosovo when it comes to visit places in Kosovo from other countrys."
Smulan

What rules??? First of all Kosovo is Serbia and not another coutnry. But for argument sake lets play your game. Then you wouldn't mind if those same rules apply to albanians traveling between Kosovo and Presevo?

It is plain disgusting to see what Kosovo government is capable of every time they're left to their own devices.
"Democracy" becomes Darvinism, and law turns into terror, humiliation if not much worse (beatings).
What an unacceptable and miserable level of civility they demonstrate!

(roberto, 12 September 2009 03:32)

We checked, and found that your comment has not been edited in any way. I.e., it was posted the way it was sent, in its entirety.

Therefore, in the future, please make sure that you send all of your intended message, in order to avoid wasting your time and ours in this way.

Regards,


B92

Albanians in Kosovo have been systematically abusing and maltreating Serbs for decades before Milosevic came to power. Serbs never received justice from the Albanian controlled police and judiciary. The few Serbs who now remain in Kosovo have no rights, let alone anyone trying to return to re-claim his or her property. A Serbian man was raped with a broken bottle receiving horrendous injuries. Albanian authorities investigating the attack concluded the injuries were sustained during a an auto-erogenous act. Hardly likely. In Macedonia Albanians captured 4 Macedonian men, raped them with broom sticks and carved their initials with knives on the backs of the captured men.

Long before Milosevic came to power in Serbia, "Serb hunting" was reported in western press as being Albanian youth favourite past time.

Who can forget the 1981 riots in Pristina?

When Milosevic visited Pristina to hear and see first hand the plight of Serbs in Kosovo, he was met by thousands, each with their own story. An lederly man cried "they are beating us" to which Milosevic replied: "No on is allowed to beat you". Yet nothing has changed. NATO helped Albanians cleanse Kosovo from most Serbs. Those who remain go to bed in fear they may never wake up. As was last month's incident in which an elderly couple were brutally killed in their house whilst asleep.

"Serbia does not accept any Kosovo or UNMIK passports already so..."
aRTA

Serbia still considers Kosovo to be its province. That's why no passports have to be accepted. K-Albanians can move freely anywhere in Serbia. If not, how do you explain all those trying to get new Serbian passports valid ALL OVER Europe and not just in a handfull of countries that recognized?

"Where is EULEX? I thought Bogdanovic said that Kosova is ruled by EULEX and Serbia."
aRTA

You seem to have a short memory. Eulex just signed a deal with Serbia. They signed it on behalf of Kosovo and despite Albanian opposition!

Anything else?

Anything else?
(MikeC, 11 September 2009 22:44

Yeah, this. Where is difference to the current situation and the conditioned independence mentioned in the A-Plan which the Albanians accepted and the Serbs not?

thank you for showing us the real meaning of 1984. so many layers of bizarre.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 12 September 2009 03:32)

Roberto,

There is a hidden layer of special Ethernet and Disk Drive Gremlins hidden inside of your machine, mine and of B92 servers. If these Gremlins decide to tease anyone for a purpose only they know - they send a large protocol bug who will eat up whatever he likes. That's the way they live and the purpose of their life is a mystery for humans.

Nikos,

Money will never run out for new wars in the US no matter what because for us national security comes first. It is something not negociable not like in European countries. If we have war or wars in foreign countries than it is directly or indirectly for our national security. Did you hear about wars in "forward position"? It is fighting the ennemy before it comes to us.
And about the costs of those wars? Don't forget that in many ways - through their ramificatins - you may also pay for it.

"In one incident, Fadil Hoxha, once the leading politician of ethnic Albanian origin in Yugoslavia, joked at an official dinner in Prizren last year that Serbian women should be used to satisfy potential ethnic Albanian rapists. After his quip was reported this October, Serbian women in Kosovo protested, and Mr. Hoxha was dismissed from the Communist Party. "

From New York Tomes 1987.

Thats all about K-Albanians and their leaders.

All the missing persons should be found and both governments should be working together,after all,we are human beings!!!
Peace and Love to all!!!
(louie, 11 September 2009 12:47)

Thanks for your constructive contribution, you should really be more often posting!

"You should have tried to shrink the serbian "minds" to sit down and talk in the 90s when Albanians tried, in an unprecedented peacefull way, to find a solution."


Hey Denis ever heard of the KLA maybe?

"Europe will not allow war, that's true, but I think if they ever do, next time it will be a war of equals"

Denis what do you really mean by that now? Maybe the K-army? (joke) Or the albanian army? (more joke). or you gonna call your american friends again? Too bad for ya but money is running out in the US for new wars...

"Money will never run out for new wars in the US no matter what because for us national security comes first"

Thats why you cant stop begging and pressing the NATO allies to send troops and arms in Afganistan? Where is the attack on North Korea and Iran then? And they have nuks not like Sadam and Milosevic so they are really dangerous.
wars in "forward position"? Hmm do you really believe what Bush feeds you all these years? Maybe you better say "oil and trade in forward position".. Dont forget also 98% of Greek public opinion was against the 1999 NATO bombing so you cant really convince anyone. and believe me we also care about national security thats why we are forced to spend a great percentage of our national gross income to buy arms to protect from Turkey (america's favorite spoiled child) though this could be used on education and social services..cheers

Until NATO breaks apart or is destroyed this is the reality Serbs face.Kosovo was created with the intent to have it be a constant problem much like Israel to have an eternal struggle.The EU(Germany) and the US have interests that coincide but this fake state cannot be propped up forever.If the EU can get Serbia to break up all but in name (slowly dismantle Vojvodina) before Serbia can get Kosovo back then the Serbs which have been a thorn in Germany's side for a few hundred years will finally be crushed and the conditions of the Serbs in Kosovo now will seem like a picnic.They now have Serbians work from within to destroy the country.Any patriot should be alarmed.Same thing in America the globalists are destroying her from within unless the people resist our future is bleek.

Who can forget the 1981 riots in Pristina?

When Milosevic visited Pristina to hear and see first hand the plight of Serbs in Kosovo, he was met by thousands, each with their own story. An lederly man cried "they are beating us" to which Milosevic replied: "No on is allowed to beat you". Yet nothing has changed. NATO helped Albanians cleanse Kosovo from most Serbs. Those who remain go to bed in fear they may never wake up. As was last month's incident in which an elderly couple were brutally killed in their house whilst asleep.

Mate! Milosevic came in power in 1987. 1981. just 4 yrs after you gain authonomy you wanted to became a state instead it was impossible. So Albanians are responsible for riots in 1981. They organized riots against SRF Yugoslavia.

Did you hear about wars in "forward position"? It is fighting the ennemy before it comes to us.
And about the costs of those wars? Don't forget that in many ways - through their ramificatins - you may also pay for it.
(Joe, 12 September 2009 17:43)

And when exactly were the Serbs going to attack America?

The only reason America is in this is for profit. The A list wants to be able to use any country for profit and if that country refuses to be used they are labelled undemocratic and it is America's duty to bring democracy to that country.

Nothing to do national security but you are right about interests.