Deal "consistent with EULEX mandate"

"Do you really think that Serbia runs it own affairs?"
Olf

If they don't why don't those "countries" that run Serbia tell it to recognize Kosovo?

The Swiss
exactly time to do what you are told. It was alwasy like that in Balkans, nothing new.
Same thing happens in Serbia. Do you really think that Serbia runs it own affairs?

""Based upon our detailed examination of the legal issues surrounding the technical agreement between EULEX and the Ministry of Interior of the Republic of Serbia on police cooperation, we conclude that the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf are consistent with its mandate to strengthen border management and have no bearing on the question of Kosovo's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity," reads a statement.

The joint statement by Feith and the heads of mission of France, Germany, Italy, Great Britain and the U.S in Kosovo was released by the U.S. Embassy in Priština.

..."The Republic of Kosovo is not a party to this technical arrangement, but we commend the commitment and interest of the institutions of the Republic of Kosovo in combating illicit cross-border activities," reads the statement.""

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In other words, EULEX has a mandate to sign on behalf of Kosovo; remains status neutral; and intends to move things forward with or without the government in Pristina.

"What a tangled web we weave" as our friend Princip would say.

What a conundrum. Here we have the heads of countries which leapt in to 'recognise' independence and now they find that they have to remain status neutral under EULEX, deployed under the UN umbrella and specifically within Res 1244 which recognises Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo.

In other words, the UDI was illegal and can't lead anywhere without acceptance of independence by the UN and to a lesser extent the EU.

The legality is already a case pending at the ICJ which means that anyone operating under the UN has to respect its current internally legal status as a province within Serbia.

So what now? If the ICJ finds in favour of Serbia, which is highly possible, then those individually recognising countries lose even more ground. Does anyone really believe that they are not bold enough to even withdraw their own recognitions if it benefits them? Or to change it in some way so that everyone in the UN and EU are singing from the same sheet?

Kate,

Yes. It gets complex. But the good news is that EULEX is based on 1244.

To be honest I never expected the US to allow EULEX to be based on 1244. The idea was that Kosovo government should invite EULEX. But the reality is that EULEX works in the frameworks of 1244.

So the Albanians can say that they invited EULEX. But the fact is that 1244 is the base for EULEX. Meaning Kosovo is still a Serbian province.

The joint statement by Feith and the heads of mission of France, Germany, Italy, Great Britain and the U.S in Kosovo was released by the U.S. Embassy in Priština.

For whoever was woundering why the UK and US were quiet, now they have the answer!
Time to wake up and do what you are told to do!

Same thing happens in Serbia. Do you really think that Serbia runs it own affairs?
(Olf, 11 September 2009 11:55)

Olf, your are the so called internatinal expert golden expat, so I guess you know better, so if you say so, I take it for granted.

One thing is sure you are anti-serb and against this agreement to happen, for whathever strange incomprehensible reason if you really are what you pretend...

Just to get the things clear for your square head, I am neither pro-serb nor anti k-a, I am for the international laws to be respected.
So, in other other words whatever is being forced to be signed by either Serb or k-a that is in line with the UN decision I will voice my support, got it?

You certainly know as well as many foreigners on this site that the balkan war was not only a one side guilt like CNN, FOX, BBC wanted us to believe. It is much more complex like this article in the french newspaper Liberation hinted a fews days back with the involvement of french secret services!!

I said it many times and I repeat it, it is just a matter of time until the real truth will start surfacing and prove the dirty involvment of mainly the french, germans and americans.

"The legality is already a case pending at the ICJ which means that anyone operating under the UN has to respect its current internally legal status as a province within Serbia. "

What legality, no one cares about it. Not even Serbia. Ask Tadic if he will recognize Kosova the day after if ICJ rules for Kosova? Ask him!

--"Here we have the heads of countries which leapt in to 'recognise' independence and now they find that they have to remain status neutral under EULEX"

Hehehe...USA, France, UK and Germany status neutral? Just ask their Ambassadors in prishtina. This is patch so they don't block Serbia's integration just yet.

important it is to be positive about the future, set priorities and work hard to achieve them. That would have been my advice for Thaci and Sejdiu
(piro, 11 September 2009 18:01)

How refreshing to see a normal down to earth k-a poster, I hour your nationalistic fellows will not call you a traitor!

"The protocol has been singed this late afternoon. Lets see who will benefit more?"
Kosova-USA

The Albanians will benifit the most, of course. That's why K-Albs opposed the deal and later took to the streets smashing EULEX vehicles.
Albanians have an odd way of showing support for something.

The protocol has been singed this late afternoon. Lets see who will benefit more?

Serbs should not be happy at all. All those countries mentioned on the article have recognized Kosova so what is going on?

EU is spending sooo much resources so that the Balkan is at its best for the future. Do you really think that things will be the way they were pre-1998? I guarantee, they wont! EU is taking this just too seriously!

It's obvious that kosovo is not a fully indipendent country, but it's not the only one. If your budget is funded by foreigners they will have their say in your domestic/foreign policy.

Probably Thaci and Sejdiu were not very smart on this occasion. I understand their frustration for being ignored by Eulex during the negociation process. However the government in Prishtina should put more energy in improving the living conditions of its citizens than trying to show muscles to Eulex. After all, the signing of this agreement, even though without their involment, will reinforce Kosovo indipendence, as it will established a controlled border between Serbia and Kosovo. At the end I think this is a win-win situation. Serbia will get into the white schengen list, Kosovo makes another important step towards full indipendence. I think that every poster here should read it this way.

The Kosovo institutions are not very efficient, lacking well trained/professional staff and money. It is understandable for a newly independent country. But I think it is OK. All countries have gone through difficult times. What is important it is to be positive about the future, set priorities and work hard to achieve them. That would have been my advice for Thaci and Sejdiu

Sure Mr.Feith whatever you say....,but please can you explain it to me for god sakes why you're in talks with Kosovo government to accept it? or why don't you go ahead and sign it? if it's true what you say this protocol would be signed by now so stop beating around the bush and do what you're suposed to do on your advisory work.

important it is to be positive about the future, set priorities and work hard to achieve them. That would have been my advice for Thaci and Sejdiu
(piro, 11 September 2009 18:01)

Swiss,

First, I’m not k-a, and I have never been to Kosovo. I’m not sure whether k-a are so intolerant. I have met few k-a refugees here in Canada in 1999 and they seem more or less like other people, considering their conditions, escaping the genocide.

Apparently tolerance is a word that is not part of your vocabulary. However, civilized people try to respect each other even though they may have different opinions, in other words, they agree to disagree. While completing my university studies in Paris (France) in 1980’s, I had the opportunity to visit few Balkan countries, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Yugoslavia (Belgrade only). I remember that one day I was visiting an archaeological site in Bulgaria, when suddenly the cicerone said:” you know, whichever Balkan country you visit, people would say: we are the most ancient and the bravest! “. Reading different posters here, I thing the guy was right.

Here in Canada, as you may know, there are two main ethnic groups who live in peace together (English/French). In Europe you have another good example, Switzerland. Just try to understand how you can live alone with someone who is different from you. At the very end, a country/nation is better respected when minorities are decently treated.

Good luck!

Just try to understand how you can live alone with someone who is different from you. At the very end, a country/nation is better respected when minorities are decently treated.

Good luck!
(piro, 12 September 2009 05:00)

I didn't get the meaning of your post, since I was praising your analysis, so either you didn't read mine thru or you didn't understand it! Anyhow I repeat that I was happy to see some moderate and fair analysis from your side.

I have mentioned many times I have no prob at all with either serbs of k-a, but I have a prob when the international laws are not being respected like it was the case for the UDI.

I know very well both Canada (use to live there) and switzerland because it is mine and my family's country since the 13th century and where I was born we are somehow a minority and very well treated :)
Cheers

The whole nonsens EULEX is doing is not understandable! Kosova(o) is certainly not agains any agreement to exchange infromation with its naighbours on fightin the organised crime. So just let Kosova(s) government sign the agreement. If Kosova(o) government doen not sign it then there is no agreement at all. The agreement signed between EULEX and Serbia without Kosova(o)'s consent is merely a worthless pice of paper!

How refreshing to see a normal down to earth k-a poster, I hour your nationalistic fellows will not call you a traitor!
(The Swiss, 11 September 2009 20:41)


I just wanted to let you know I'm not a k-a, as you mentioned in your message. Yoy say my fellow k-a would treat me as a traitor. I think this part of your comment is inappropriate. I'm afraid your comments sounds somewhat nationalistic. Don't always try to blame the others. The whole point in my comments was just to show tolerance.

I just wanted to let you know I'm not a k-a, as you mentioned in your message. Yoy say my fellow k-a would treat me as a traitor. I think this part of your comment is inappropriate. I'm afraid your comments sounds somewhat nationalistic. Don't always try to blame the others. The whole point in my comments was just to show tolerance.
(piro, 13 September 2009 16:41)

sorry that I mixed you with a k-a poster, wasn't my intentiion. But when it comes to the "traitor" part, it really happened on this site that a k-a moderate poster was called a traitor by the his nationalistic fellows just because he gave us some reality on the ground.... Tolerance is a nice word and I agree with your, however tolerance is not a one way road. If you a here on a daily basis, you will understand what I mean
Cheers

The Swiss
exactly time to do what you are told. It was alwasy like that in Balkans, nothing new.
Same thing happens in Serbia. Do you really think that Serbia runs it own affairs?

""Based upon our detailed examination of the legal issues surrounding the technical agreement between EULEX and the Ministry of Interior of the Republic of Serbia on police cooperation, we conclude that the instruments of technical cooperation that EULEX made on its own behalf are consistent with its mandate to strengthen border management and have no bearing on the question of Kosovo's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity," reads a statement.

The joint statement by Feith and the heads of mission of France, Germany, Italy, Great Britain and the U.S in Kosovo was released by the U.S. Embassy in Priština.

..."The Republic of Kosovo is not a party to this technical arrangement, but we commend the commitment and interest of the institutions of the Republic of Kosovo in combating illicit cross-border activities," reads the statement.""

---
In other words, EULEX has a mandate to sign on behalf of Kosovo; remains status neutral; and intends to move things forward with or without the government in Pristina.

"What a tangled web we weave" as our friend Princip would say.

What a conundrum. Here we have the heads of countries which leapt in to 'recognise' independence and now they find that they have to remain status neutral under EULEX, deployed under the UN umbrella and specifically within Res 1244 which recognises Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo.

In other words, the UDI was illegal and can't lead anywhere without acceptance of independence by the UN and to a lesser extent the EU.

The legality is already a case pending at the ICJ which means that anyone operating under the UN has to respect its current internally legal status as a province within Serbia.

So what now? If the ICJ finds in favour of Serbia, which is highly possible, then those individually recognising countries lose even more ground. Does anyone really believe that they are not bold enough to even withdraw their own recognitions if it benefits them? Or to change it in some way so that everyone in the UN and EU are singing from the same sheet?

The joint statement by Feith and the heads of mission of France, Germany, Italy, Great Britain and the U.S in Kosovo was released by the U.S. Embassy in Priština.

For whoever was woundering why the UK and US were quiet, now they have the answer!
Time to wake up and do what you are told to do!

Kate,

Yes. It gets complex. But the good news is that EULEX is based on 1244.

To be honest I never expected the US to allow EULEX to be based on 1244. The idea was that Kosovo government should invite EULEX. But the reality is that EULEX works in the frameworks of 1244.

So the Albanians can say that they invited EULEX. But the fact is that 1244 is the base for EULEX. Meaning Kosovo is still a Serbian province.

"Do you really think that Serbia runs it own affairs?"
Olf

If they don't why don't those "countries" that run Serbia tell it to recognize Kosovo?

"The legality is already a case pending at the ICJ which means that anyone operating under the UN has to respect its current internally legal status as a province within Serbia. "

What legality, no one cares about it. Not even Serbia. Ask Tadic if he will recognize Kosova the day after if ICJ rules for Kosova? Ask him!

--"Here we have the heads of countries which leapt in to 'recognise' independence and now they find that they have to remain status neutral under EULEX"

Hehehe...USA, France, UK and Germany status neutral? Just ask their Ambassadors in prishtina. This is patch so they don't block Serbia's integration just yet.

Sure Mr.Feith whatever you say....,but please can you explain it to me for god sakes why you're in talks with Kosovo government to accept it? or why don't you go ahead and sign it? if it's true what you say this protocol would be signed by now so stop beating around the bush and do what you're suposed to do on your advisory work.

Serbs should not be happy at all. All those countries mentioned on the article have recognized Kosova so what is going on?

EU is spending sooo much resources so that the Balkan is at its best for the future. Do you really think that things will be the way they were pre-1998? I guarantee, they wont! EU is taking this just too seriously!

It's obvious that kosovo is not a fully indipendent country, but it's not the only one. If your budget is funded by foreigners they will have their say in your domestic/foreign policy.

Probably Thaci and Sejdiu were not very smart on this occasion. I understand their frustration for being ignored by Eulex during the negociation process. However the government in Prishtina should put more energy in improving the living conditions of its citizens than trying to show muscles to Eulex. After all, the signing of this agreement, even though without their involment, will reinforce Kosovo indipendence, as it will established a controlled border between Serbia and Kosovo. At the end I think this is a win-win situation. Serbia will get into the white schengen list, Kosovo makes another important step towards full indipendence. I think that every poster here should read it this way.

The Kosovo institutions are not very efficient, lacking well trained/professional staff and money. It is understandable for a newly independent country. But I think it is OK. All countries have gone through difficult times. What is important it is to be positive about the future, set priorities and work hard to achieve them. That would have been my advice for Thaci and Sejdiu

The protocol has been singed this late afternoon. Lets see who will benefit more?

important it is to be positive about the future, set priorities and work hard to achieve them. That would have been my advice for Thaci and Sejdiu
(piro, 11 September 2009 18:01)

How refreshing to see a normal down to earth k-a poster, I hour your nationalistic fellows will not call you a traitor!

Same thing happens in Serbia. Do you really think that Serbia runs it own affairs?
(Olf, 11 September 2009 11:55)

Olf, your are the so called internatinal expert golden expat, so I guess you know better, so if you say so, I take it for granted.

One thing is sure you are anti-serb and against this agreement to happen, for whathever strange incomprehensible reason if you really are what you pretend...

Just to get the things clear for your square head, I am neither pro-serb nor anti k-a, I am for the international laws to be respected.
So, in other other words whatever is being forced to be signed by either Serb or k-a that is in line with the UN decision I will voice my support, got it?

You certainly know as well as many foreigners on this site that the balkan war was not only a one side guilt like CNN, FOX, BBC wanted us to believe. It is much more complex like this article in the french newspaper Liberation hinted a fews days back with the involvement of french secret services!!

I said it many times and I repeat it, it is just a matter of time until the real truth will start surfacing and prove the dirty involvment of mainly the french, germans and americans.

"The protocol has been singed this late afternoon. Lets see who will benefit more?"
Kosova-USA

The Albanians will benifit the most, of course. That's why K-Albs opposed the deal and later took to the streets smashing EULEX vehicles.
Albanians have an odd way of showing support for something.

important it is to be positive about the future, set priorities and work hard to achieve them. That would have been my advice for Thaci and Sejdiu
(piro, 11 September 2009 18:01)

Swiss,

First, I’m not k-a, and I have never been to Kosovo. I’m not sure whether k-a are so intolerant. I have met few k-a refugees here in Canada in 1999 and they seem more or less like other people, considering their conditions, escaping the genocide.

Apparently tolerance is a word that is not part of your vocabulary. However, civilized people try to respect each other even though they may have different opinions, in other words, they agree to disagree. While completing my university studies in Paris (France) in 1980’s, I had the opportunity to visit few Balkan countries, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Yugoslavia (Belgrade only). I remember that one day I was visiting an archaeological site in Bulgaria, when suddenly the cicerone said:” you know, whichever Balkan country you visit, people would say: we are the most ancient and the bravest! “. Reading different posters here, I thing the guy was right.

Here in Canada, as you may know, there are two main ethnic groups who live in peace together (English/French). In Europe you have another good example, Switzerland. Just try to understand how you can live alone with someone who is different from you. At the very end, a country/nation is better respected when minorities are decently treated.

Good luck!

Just try to understand how you can live alone with someone who is different from you. At the very end, a country/nation is better respected when minorities are decently treated.

Good luck!
(piro, 12 September 2009 05:00)

I didn't get the meaning of your post, since I was praising your analysis, so either you didn't read mine thru or you didn't understand it! Anyhow I repeat that I was happy to see some moderate and fair analysis from your side.

I have mentioned many times I have no prob at all with either serbs of k-a, but I have a prob when the international laws are not being respected like it was the case for the UDI.

I know very well both Canada (use to live there) and switzerland because it is mine and my family's country since the 13th century and where I was born we are somehow a minority and very well treated :)
Cheers

The whole nonsens EULEX is doing is not understandable! Kosova(o) is certainly not agains any agreement to exchange infromation with its naighbours on fightin the organised crime. So just let Kosova(s) government sign the agreement. If Kosova(o) government doen not sign it then there is no agreement at all. The agreement signed between EULEX and Serbia without Kosova(o)'s consent is merely a worthless pice of paper!

How refreshing to see a normal down to earth k-a poster, I hour your nationalistic fellows will not call you a traitor!
(The Swiss, 11 September 2009 20:41)


I just wanted to let you know I'm not a k-a, as you mentioned in your message. Yoy say my fellow k-a would treat me as a traitor. I think this part of your comment is inappropriate. I'm afraid your comments sounds somewhat nationalistic. Don't always try to blame the others. The whole point in my comments was just to show tolerance.

I just wanted to let you know I'm not a k-a, as you mentioned in your message. Yoy say my fellow k-a would treat me as a traitor. I think this part of your comment is inappropriate. I'm afraid your comments sounds somewhat nationalistic. Don't always try to blame the others. The whole point in my comments was just to show tolerance.
(piro, 13 September 2009 16:41)

sorry that I mixed you with a k-a poster, wasn't my intentiion. But when it comes to the "traitor" part, it really happened on this site that a k-a moderate poster was called a traitor by the his nationalistic fellows just because he gave us some reality on the ground.... Tolerance is a nice word and I agree with your, however tolerance is not a one way road. If you a here on a daily basis, you will understand what I mean
Cheers