Two more agreements with EULEX in pipeline

Serbia, Thank You for recognizing Kosovo as an independent state!
(afrimi, 9 September 2009 15:18)

My friend, this whole deal is based on 1244. Need I say more...

Kosovo is just a Serbian province. And only mutual agreement can change that!

Oli should read carefully the Eulex Mission Statement first, and then he will know what this mission is all about. You ca sing as many protocols with Eulex as you wish, but the bottom line is that you have no chice but to deal with Kosova Govermant. But, ej I almost forgat that you were part of that govermant for some time. You just switched side to the highest bidder.

Believe it or not, you are signing borders right there, you just don't see it yet!

Serbia, Thank You for recognizing Kosovo as an independent state!

You twist and turn every subject to benifit your casue. Pristina is totaly against a protocol between Serbia and EULEX but still you see the signing of it as a victory and proof of Serbias recognition of Kosovo. If this is the case then why is Pristina against it? Albanians can imagine any reality they want. But when you wake up you will realize that Kosovo is still Serbia, and will remain so for ever!

“The administrative crossings in northern Kosovo will be covered by the agreement that is being prepared"
--
OK, that's all good and well. Since you are negotiating then make sure Serbia has control over the northern administrative crossings and allow EULEX to focus on the rule of law in the Albanian parts. Serbia and ethnic Serbians in general do not have a problem with the rule of law.

Ron, Maybe you should read 1244 since you love to mention it so often. There is a whole lot more to it than the sentence supporting the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia in 1999.
It means as long as 1244 is in effect Serbian military or police cannot cross into Kosovo except a few with complete agreement of International presence, and then only for very minute and specific functions.
The govt of Kosovo is totally and completely autonomous of any Serbian control.
With the development of a democratically elected govt authority is shifted from UN to the govt of Kosovo.
And finally no where and I mean NO where will you find that Serbia has to be in agreement to anything in relation to Kosovo.
As long as Serbia attempts any claim on Kosovo 1244 will never be repealed and NATO will be there to protect the borders of Kosovo, with the blessing of Russia and China since they too voted for it.
yes 1244 is a very good number.
As far as UN membership goes, even if it does not happen they have not lost anything because they could never obtain it as part of Serbia.
And thanks for the tax dollars that you have contributed to the develpment of a free and democratic Kosovo!

“All three agreements are technical in nature and have no political connotation,“

They actually involve law and order in N Kosova. Expect those "businessman" to go nuts once people start paying customs and once the courts function

Anybody that believes that by Serbia signing any agreement with EULEX is good for Serbia is way off. Serbia is recognizing Kosovo, but it is a cover up. North Kosovo will be partitioned just like 6 point plan implies. Nothing her is good. EULEX is working on the side of the Albanians. Posters need to forget about 1244 as it is meaningless! Serbia sold out.

I fail to understand why the usual Albanian exaggerators here continue to think that Pristina has any say in Belgrade-EULEX matters when Pristina isn't even consulted. These agreements have all but acknowledged the complete irrelevancy of Pristina as far as land north of the Ibar is concerned. And while it does give EULEX greater authority, it simultaneously solidifies a cooperative relationship with Serbian MUPs as well, making their activities all but certain in at least these three regions.

Recognizing Kosovo's so-called sovereignty? How about eating away parts of it bit by bit? Or better yet, how about pushing back its exaggerated claims to more realistic boundaries?

eulex is making the same mistakes as unmik by acting as an imposer instead of mutual partner.

Clearly eulex plans on acting as the ruling body of Government in Kosova. They plan on imposing 3 more "agreements" from the beginning.

I can assure you that will not end well. This is not a threat, but a warning that most likely the fierce opposition will bring groups such as VETEVENDOSJE! into higher mainstream support.

But, ej I almost forgat that you were part of that govermant for some time. You just switched side to the highest bidder.
(Kosova-USA, 9 September 2009 15:01)

No, he didn't switch to the highest bidder, but maybe he realized that, like many others, he had been lured by the Thaci and Co's!
Looking at your daily baseless comments it looks like it makes you also extremely nervous, so I would say EULEX is on the right track!

Coming back to the article, as long as these agreements can bring durable stability and help cleaning this dark spot, let it be!
All other nationalistic views as to where the border is, whose border it is, who is controlling what is irrelevant and wishfull thinking.
Only one document with one number states what it is all about, you all know this number very well!

If these MUP-EULEX deals 'legitimize' Kosovo, Kurti's Vetvendosja wouldn't have vandalized EULEX 2 weeks ago & many Albanians support his actions because EULEX is turning into a branch of MUP because the EU depends on Russia for energy, thus Moscow has leverage over Brussels & also because the weakened US isnt the only superpower anymore & events in the Balkans only reflect the larger new geopolitical reality, meaning that EULEX IS slowly & quietly becoming a branch of MUP.

@ Mike(C)

Please, explain to me and all to us in which sense this agreements are outside the A-Plan? Conditioned independence is something in what the Albanians have agreed on, not the Serbs. So, explain to me in what matters you can claim "Serbian victory" when silently they agree on the A-Plan?

First the Albanians here opposed this deal. And now finally it is very good news.

Be honest: this deal is based on 1244. And 1244 says that Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN.

Yes, indeed. The UN and EU are running Kosovo. Kosovo 'government' is not in control!
You call that independence?

If Kosovo is independent why it may only have a force of 2500?
Britain and France are states. They may have any number of troops they want. Kosovo is a province. Sorry guys!

One more thing: if Kosovo is a state, why I don't see people like Feith and De Karbanon in other states? Like in the US or in Sweden?

Is there an EULEX in Norway? Is there an UNMIK in Spain? Is the UN saying what Portugal has to do? Is the EU signing deals for Switzerland?

NO! Be honest! Kosovo is not an independent state. You may not like that. You may try to change that. But don't fool yourself! Please...

I can assure you that will not end well. This is not a threat, but a warning that most likely the fierce opposition will bring groups such as VETEVENDOSJE! into higher mainstream support.
(KOSOVARi, 9 September 2009 19:43)

And then what?

Oli should read carefully the Eulex Mission Statement first, and then he will know what this mission is all about. You ca sing as many protocols with Eulex as you wish, but the bottom line is that you have no chice but to deal with Kosova Govermant. But, ej I almost forgat that you were part of that govermant for some time. You just switched side to the highest bidder.

Believe it or not, you are signing borders right there, you just don't see it yet!

Serbia, Thank You for recognizing Kosovo as an independent state!

Serbia, Thank You for recognizing Kosovo as an independent state!
(afrimi, 9 September 2009 15:18)

My friend, this whole deal is based on 1244. Need I say more...

Kosovo is just a Serbian province. And only mutual agreement can change that!

Ron, Maybe you should read 1244 since you love to mention it so often. There is a whole lot more to it than the sentence supporting the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia in 1999.
It means as long as 1244 is in effect Serbian military or police cannot cross into Kosovo except a few with complete agreement of International presence, and then only for very minute and specific functions.
The govt of Kosovo is totally and completely autonomous of any Serbian control.
With the development of a democratically elected govt authority is shifted from UN to the govt of Kosovo.
And finally no where and I mean NO where will you find that Serbia has to be in agreement to anything in relation to Kosovo.
As long as Serbia attempts any claim on Kosovo 1244 will never be repealed and NATO will be there to protect the borders of Kosovo, with the blessing of Russia and China since they too voted for it.
yes 1244 is a very good number.
As far as UN membership goes, even if it does not happen they have not lost anything because they could never obtain it as part of Serbia.
And thanks for the tax dollars that you have contributed to the develpment of a free and democratic Kosovo!

“All three agreements are technical in nature and have no political connotation,“

They actually involve law and order in N Kosova. Expect those "businessman" to go nuts once people start paying customs and once the courts function

“The administrative crossings in northern Kosovo will be covered by the agreement that is being prepared"
--
OK, that's all good and well. Since you are negotiating then make sure Serbia has control over the northern administrative crossings and allow EULEX to focus on the rule of law in the Albanian parts. Serbia and ethnic Serbians in general do not have a problem with the rule of law.

You twist and turn every subject to benifit your casue. Pristina is totaly against a protocol between Serbia and EULEX but still you see the signing of it as a victory and proof of Serbias recognition of Kosovo. If this is the case then why is Pristina against it? Albanians can imagine any reality they want. But when you wake up you will realize that Kosovo is still Serbia, and will remain so for ever!

If these MUP-EULEX deals 'legitimize' Kosovo, Kurti's Vetvendosja wouldn't have vandalized EULEX 2 weeks ago & many Albanians support his actions because EULEX is turning into a branch of MUP because the EU depends on Russia for energy, thus Moscow has leverage over Brussels & also because the weakened US isnt the only superpower anymore & events in the Balkans only reflect the larger new geopolitical reality, meaning that EULEX IS slowly & quietly becoming a branch of MUP.

But, ej I almost forgat that you were part of that govermant for some time. You just switched side to the highest bidder.
(Kosova-USA, 9 September 2009 15:01)

No, he didn't switch to the highest bidder, but maybe he realized that, like many others, he had been lured by the Thaci and Co's!
Looking at your daily baseless comments it looks like it makes you also extremely nervous, so I would say EULEX is on the right track!

Coming back to the article, as long as these agreements can bring durable stability and help cleaning this dark spot, let it be!
All other nationalistic views as to where the border is, whose border it is, who is controlling what is irrelevant and wishfull thinking.
Only one document with one number states what it is all about, you all know this number very well!

I fail to understand why the usual Albanian exaggerators here continue to think that Pristina has any say in Belgrade-EULEX matters when Pristina isn't even consulted. These agreements have all but acknowledged the complete irrelevancy of Pristina as far as land north of the Ibar is concerned. And while it does give EULEX greater authority, it simultaneously solidifies a cooperative relationship with Serbian MUPs as well, making their activities all but certain in at least these three regions.

Recognizing Kosovo's so-called sovereignty? How about eating away parts of it bit by bit? Or better yet, how about pushing back its exaggerated claims to more realistic boundaries?

Anybody that believes that by Serbia signing any agreement with EULEX is good for Serbia is way off. Serbia is recognizing Kosovo, but it is a cover up. North Kosovo will be partitioned just like 6 point plan implies. Nothing her is good. EULEX is working on the side of the Albanians. Posters need to forget about 1244 as it is meaningless! Serbia sold out.

First the Albanians here opposed this deal. And now finally it is very good news.

Be honest: this deal is based on 1244. And 1244 says that Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN.

Yes, indeed. The UN and EU are running Kosovo. Kosovo 'government' is not in control!
You call that independence?

If Kosovo is independent why it may only have a force of 2500?
Britain and France are states. They may have any number of troops they want. Kosovo is a province. Sorry guys!

One more thing: if Kosovo is a state, why I don't see people like Feith and De Karbanon in other states? Like in the US or in Sweden?

Is there an EULEX in Norway? Is there an UNMIK in Spain? Is the UN saying what Portugal has to do? Is the EU signing deals for Switzerland?

NO! Be honest! Kosovo is not an independent state. You may not like that. You may try to change that. But don't fool yourself! Please...

I can assure you that will not end well. This is not a threat, but a warning that most likely the fierce opposition will bring groups such as VETEVENDOSJE! into higher mainstream support.
(KOSOVARi, 9 September 2009 19:43)

And then what?

eulex is making the same mistakes as unmik by acting as an imposer instead of mutual partner.

Clearly eulex plans on acting as the ruling body of Government in Kosova. They plan on imposing 3 more "agreements" from the beginning.

I can assure you that will not end well. This is not a threat, but a warning that most likely the fierce opposition will bring groups such as VETEVENDOSJE! into higher mainstream support.

@ Mike(C)

Please, explain to me and all to us in which sense this agreements are outside the A-Plan? Conditioned independence is something in what the Albanians have agreed on, not the Serbs. So, explain to me in what matters you can claim "Serbian victory" when silently they agree on the A-Plan?