Minister: EULEX-MUP deal in late September

I'm all for removing crime from our province but there is no reason to tighten administrative border controls in Serbian controlled areas. Just because our ethnic Albanian citizens reject something it doesn't mean we Serbians should automatically accept it. EULEX is not needed in Serbian areas and we certainly do not need them at the administrative border. We are more than capable of looking after ourselves.

In the end you shoulden't be so glad about this document. As you mentioned this document was signed beetween other countrys as well and Serbia has no real benifits from it. In reality yoyu recognize Kosovo indirectly because with this document you will put a border beetwen Serbia and Kosovo. A border wich later on will be controlled by the goverment in Prishtina and it's police/cusoms.

We albanians dosen't need this document with Serbia because we allready know where the border stands. Serbia need's this document to get visa free travell and you are letting go of Kosovo slowely but safety. When the people of Serbia wakes up from this dream Kosovo is gone forever. Res 1244 is just a psycical hope for serbs wich has no value. The real deal is that Kosovo goverment controles more in Kosovo than Serbia and EUlex. If the population in Kosovo sayes NO to somthing then it will be NO.

PRN,

1244 is still valid. If you like it or not.

And by the way: when I sign I deal I keep my promise. Even if breaking my promise is better for me!

And why should the North be part of Kosovo if the South doesn't want to be part of Serbia?

So Kosovo may split? But North Kosovo may not split? (staying in Serbia).

Very strange!

Why these double standards, my friend?

prn:

How many times are you going to repeat that ahtisari package plan?

That package was dumped in Putin's garbage can a long time ago.

“It is obvious that someone has an interest in all that. Hence the logical question—why did Priština not object when EULEX signed similar working arrangements with other states, such as Macedonia, Albania, or Montenegro," Bogdanović wondered”
Because all those states have recognized Kosovo as an independent country and none of them has any hostile policy towards Kosovo.
As for the rest of the Mr. Bogdanovic’s conclusions I can not help but laugh.

In post 1999 scenario every time that something is signed between internationals and Serbia, should be a warning to Serbia.

Serbia has got nothing in Kosovo, neither Army nor police, so the game is over for GOOD.

NATO and Serbia signature in 1999 meant capitulation of Serbia.

This time Eulex & Serbia are drawing the borderline,(and police coopeartion) in order for Serbia to fully embrace the No 1 & 31 border customs stations.

The Serbs in North are anticipating the end of the anarchy in the North, and the implementation of Ahtisaari plan.

Better days for the citizens of Kosovo are imminent, minority Serbs will enjoy them too, once the North anarchy is eradicated.

He should have said that signing the agreement in itself is not a recognition of the independence of Kosovo, but merely another step in that direction,

I think Kosovan Government wants to sign this protocol but without interference of EULEX!!!

But even if signed without them I will be happy, the borders will be tighter and will be more harder to get in to Kosova especially the North Mitrovica where daily, hundreds of smugglings are happening!!!

As for the Kosova being a black hole I think that applies to Serbia as well,you already forgetting that few years ago some criminals shot the PM.

For me the only positive thing about this is that the criminals no matter nationality will have a tougher time ahead,that is the best thing that we need in Balkans and I am up for it.

My wish is that all Albanian,Serbian,Macedonian criminals are put away,so our children can have a safer life!!!

Please, once and for all forget 1244 MYTH.

"Serbia has got nothing in Kosovo"
PRN

If the Albanians in Kosovo would vanish there wouldn't be anything that would show they were once there. Serbs have monasteries and churches from the 13th century. Kosovo is marked by Serbia and the Serbian people for all eternity. Albanians tried to rid Kosovo of Serbias past but failed. Just like you failed to steal territory that belongs to the Serbian nation.

"Res 1244 is just a psycical hope for serbs wich has no value. The real deal is that Kosovo goverment controles more in Kosovo than Serbia and EUlex. If the population in Kosovo sayes NO to somthing then it will be NO."

My friend, everyone agreed to 1244. You cannot drop a deal when you no longer like it!

The deal was: Kosovo is a Serbian province. If you did not like that in 1999 you should not have agreed to 1244 then.

EULEX is working in the frameworks of 1244. So how can you say 1244 has no meaniing?

What if the US or Serbia or the EU would say that a deal has no meaning? Would that be OK with you?

Or do you only respect deals when they are useful for you? Not an attitude we like to see in the EU (and UN)!

For Ron:
You are spending time and dreaming that the 1244 is still alive.
No my friend ,this dead on 17 February .
Don't forget this date because will be written also and in new Serbian history.

“Someone in Priština does not want these questions addressed, because we all know that Kosovo is a black hole in arms, narcotics and human smuggling," the minister said.


WOW, really? A reader would expect maturity from an official representative of the Serbian Government.

The true reason why Prishtina opposes such agreement(s) are:

A) EULEX has no mandate or power to sign such agreements in behalf of the citizens of Kosova.

B) Serbia does not recognize Kosova, and refuses to do so.

C) Serbia refuses to allow any goods from Kosova into Serbia proper.
--C2) Serbia refuses to allow any citizens of Kosovo under its customs using Kosovar Passport.

D) Serbia continually tries to obstruct all relations with Kosova by abusing Interpol membership to arrest all political person of Kosova.

E) Serbia continually interferes in internal affairs of Kosova and at times has armed, funded, and trained Serb Extremist groups (i.e. Court protest in Mitrovica).

F) All other reasons not mentioned in this post due to length of comment.

"It is obvious that someone has an interest in all that. Hence the logical question—why did Priština not object when EULEX signed similar working arrangements with other states, such as Macedonia, Albania, or Montenegro," Bogdanović wondered.
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Kosovo is not objecting EULEX signing with those countries you mention minister.
Is objecting EULEX to sign on Kosovo behalf!

Would you oppose EULEX signing a border agreement with Kosovo on Serbia behalf? Since that all the smuggling of cigarettes, alcohol, electrical goods and illegal drugs comes from Turkey via Serbia; it’s just plain common sense you agree to it!

Or not?

Bogdanovic logic:
Albanian leadership is corrupt so they don't want anti-corruption agreement with Serbia but they didn't complain hen Eulex signed them with Albania, Fyrom.

Conclusion: Thaci has his bank accounts in Serbia!

I'll take this "minister" seriously once he can go to Kosovo. Until then he is an an Armchair minister, or minister in exile.

For me the only positive thing about this is that the criminals no matter nationality will have a tougher time ahead,that is the best thing that we need in Balkans and I am up for it.

My wish is that all Albanian,Serbian,Macedonian criminals are put away,so our children can have a safer life!!!
(louie, 9 September 2009 12:41)

Finally a reasonable k-a post. Yes louie, this is about cleaning the all place of crimininals of any kind and am still wondering why so many of your fellow citizens posters are spiting against everything that is not going the way they want, simply because Serbia is involved.
I found that attitude not only primitive but it just makes us think more and more (looking from the outside) that kosovo doens't want to move forward but rather will keep on blaming others for their failure.
I hope that you will not be called a traitor like I have seen here a few times when some k-a posters dared to critized your higlhy corrupted government.
I wished to have more moderate k-a posters to increase the level of debate!

I'll take this "minister" seriously once he can go to Kosovo. Until then he is an an Armchair minister, or minister in exile.
(aRTA, 9 September 2009 17:17)

He is in Kosovo nearly every week. Why do you keep repeating the same incorrect statement???

So 1244 is signed by the US, UK, France, Russia and China and recently reconfirmed within the UN Security Council but is somehow a myth. However, the Ahtisaari plan, which never even passed through the UNSC and is generally only referred to by our ethnic Albanian citizens is alive and well. If that is indeed the case then our ethnic Albanian citizen are more powerful than the UN, international law and basically the whole world.

Either some people are delusional or we are in big trouble.

Indeed, Zoran.

1244 is valid and alive. Still the USA wants to ignore it.

The plan by the Finnish president was never accepted by the UN. Nor by EU. Nor by Serbia, Russia or China.

And still the USA acts like it has any legal meaning.

Stop these double standards. Sometimes I am ashamed to be from the West!

Finally, something on which all Kosovars can agree! The S-Kosovars (especially in the north) are equally upset over this proposed agreement - not only was it made without any consultation with them, but it formally recognizes a "border/boundary" in the north. Did EULEX really think they were going to be able to get this thing signed with nobody in the region noticing that their concerns were being ignored? No wonder they're holding back on the customs agreement.

“It is obvious that someone has an interest in all that. Hence the logical question—why did Priština not object when EULEX signed similar working arrangements with other states, such as Macedonia, Albania, or Montenegro," Bogdanović wondered”
Because all those states have recognized Kosovo as an independent country and none of them has any hostile policy towards Kosovo.
As for the rest of the Mr. Bogdanovic’s conclusions I can not help but laugh.

In the end you shoulden't be so glad about this document. As you mentioned this document was signed beetween other countrys as well and Serbia has no real benifits from it. In reality yoyu recognize Kosovo indirectly because with this document you will put a border beetwen Serbia and Kosovo. A border wich later on will be controlled by the goverment in Prishtina and it's police/cusoms.

We albanians dosen't need this document with Serbia because we allready know where the border stands. Serbia need's this document to get visa free travell and you are letting go of Kosovo slowely but safety. When the people of Serbia wakes up from this dream Kosovo is gone forever. Res 1244 is just a psycical hope for serbs wich has no value. The real deal is that Kosovo goverment controles more in Kosovo than Serbia and EUlex. If the population in Kosovo sayes NO to somthing then it will be NO.

In post 1999 scenario every time that something is signed between internationals and Serbia, should be a warning to Serbia.

Serbia has got nothing in Kosovo, neither Army nor police, so the game is over for GOOD.

NATO and Serbia signature in 1999 meant capitulation of Serbia.

This time Eulex & Serbia are drawing the borderline,(and police coopeartion) in order for Serbia to fully embrace the No 1 & 31 border customs stations.

The Serbs in North are anticipating the end of the anarchy in the North, and the implementation of Ahtisaari plan.

Better days for the citizens of Kosovo are imminent, minority Serbs will enjoy them too, once the North anarchy is eradicated.

I think Kosovan Government wants to sign this protocol but without interference of EULEX!!!

But even if signed without them I will be happy, the borders will be tighter and will be more harder to get in to Kosova especially the North Mitrovica where daily, hundreds of smugglings are happening!!!

As for the Kosova being a black hole I think that applies to Serbia as well,you already forgetting that few years ago some criminals shot the PM.

For me the only positive thing about this is that the criminals no matter nationality will have a tougher time ahead,that is the best thing that we need in Balkans and I am up for it.

My wish is that all Albanian,Serbian,Macedonian criminals are put away,so our children can have a safer life!!!

He should have said that signing the agreement in itself is not a recognition of the independence of Kosovo, but merely another step in that direction,

Please, once and for all forget 1244 MYTH.

I'm all for removing crime from our province but there is no reason to tighten administrative border controls in Serbian controlled areas. Just because our ethnic Albanian citizens reject something it doesn't mean we Serbians should automatically accept it. EULEX is not needed in Serbian areas and we certainly do not need them at the administrative border. We are more than capable of looking after ourselves.

"Res 1244 is just a psycical hope for serbs wich has no value. The real deal is that Kosovo goverment controles more in Kosovo than Serbia and EUlex. If the population in Kosovo sayes NO to somthing then it will be NO."

My friend, everyone agreed to 1244. You cannot drop a deal when you no longer like it!

The deal was: Kosovo is a Serbian province. If you did not like that in 1999 you should not have agreed to 1244 then.

EULEX is working in the frameworks of 1244. So how can you say 1244 has no meaniing?

What if the US or Serbia or the EU would say that a deal has no meaning? Would that be OK with you?

Or do you only respect deals when they are useful for you? Not an attitude we like to see in the EU (and UN)!

For Ron:
You are spending time and dreaming that the 1244 is still alive.
No my friend ,this dead on 17 February .
Don't forget this date because will be written also and in new Serbian history.

prn:

How many times are you going to repeat that ahtisari package plan?

That package was dumped in Putin's garbage can a long time ago.

"Serbia has got nothing in Kosovo"
PRN

If the Albanians in Kosovo would vanish there wouldn't be anything that would show they were once there. Serbs have monasteries and churches from the 13th century. Kosovo is marked by Serbia and the Serbian people for all eternity. Albanians tried to rid Kosovo of Serbias past but failed. Just like you failed to steal territory that belongs to the Serbian nation.

Bogdanovic logic:
Albanian leadership is corrupt so they don't want anti-corruption agreement with Serbia but they didn't complain hen Eulex signed them with Albania, Fyrom.

Conclusion: Thaci has his bank accounts in Serbia!

I'll take this "minister" seriously once he can go to Kosovo. Until then he is an an Armchair minister, or minister in exile.

"It is obvious that someone has an interest in all that. Hence the logical question—why did Priština not object when EULEX signed similar working arrangements with other states, such as Macedonia, Albania, or Montenegro," Bogdanović wondered.
---------------------

Kosovo is not objecting EULEX signing with those countries you mention minister.
Is objecting EULEX to sign on Kosovo behalf!

Would you oppose EULEX signing a border agreement with Kosovo on Serbia behalf? Since that all the smuggling of cigarettes, alcohol, electrical goods and illegal drugs comes from Turkey via Serbia; it’s just plain common sense you agree to it!

Or not?

I'll take this "minister" seriously once he can go to Kosovo. Until then he is an an Armchair minister, or minister in exile.
(aRTA, 9 September 2009 17:17)

He is in Kosovo nearly every week. Why do you keep repeating the same incorrect statement???

PRN,

1244 is still valid. If you like it or not.

And by the way: when I sign I deal I keep my promise. Even if breaking my promise is better for me!

And why should the North be part of Kosovo if the South doesn't want to be part of Serbia?

So Kosovo may split? But North Kosovo may not split? (staying in Serbia).

Very strange!

Why these double standards, my friend?

For me the only positive thing about this is that the criminals no matter nationality will have a tougher time ahead,that is the best thing that we need in Balkans and I am up for it.

My wish is that all Albanian,Serbian,Macedonian criminals are put away,so our children can have a safer life!!!
(louie, 9 September 2009 12:41)

Finally a reasonable k-a post. Yes louie, this is about cleaning the all place of crimininals of any kind and am still wondering why so many of your fellow citizens posters are spiting against everything that is not going the way they want, simply because Serbia is involved.
I found that attitude not only primitive but it just makes us think more and more (looking from the outside) that kosovo doens't want to move forward but rather will keep on blaming others for their failure.
I hope that you will not be called a traitor like I have seen here a few times when some k-a posters dared to critized your higlhy corrupted government.
I wished to have more moderate k-a posters to increase the level of debate!

“Someone in Priština does not want these questions addressed, because we all know that Kosovo is a black hole in arms, narcotics and human smuggling," the minister said.


WOW, really? A reader would expect maturity from an official representative of the Serbian Government.

The true reason why Prishtina opposes such agreement(s) are:

A) EULEX has no mandate or power to sign such agreements in behalf of the citizens of Kosova.

B) Serbia does not recognize Kosova, and refuses to do so.

C) Serbia refuses to allow any goods from Kosova into Serbia proper.
--C2) Serbia refuses to allow any citizens of Kosovo under its customs using Kosovar Passport.

D) Serbia continually tries to obstruct all relations with Kosova by abusing Interpol membership to arrest all political person of Kosova.

E) Serbia continually interferes in internal affairs of Kosova and at times has armed, funded, and trained Serb Extremist groups (i.e. Court protest in Mitrovica).

F) All other reasons not mentioned in this post due to length of comment.

So 1244 is signed by the US, UK, France, Russia and China and recently reconfirmed within the UN Security Council but is somehow a myth. However, the Ahtisaari plan, which never even passed through the UNSC and is generally only referred to by our ethnic Albanian citizens is alive and well. If that is indeed the case then our ethnic Albanian citizen are more powerful than the UN, international law and basically the whole world.

Either some people are delusional or we are in big trouble.

Indeed, Zoran.

1244 is valid and alive. Still the USA wants to ignore it.

The plan by the Finnish president was never accepted by the UN. Nor by EU. Nor by Serbia, Russia or China.

And still the USA acts like it has any legal meaning.

Stop these double standards. Sometimes I am ashamed to be from the West!

Finally, something on which all Kosovars can agree! The S-Kosovars (especially in the north) are equally upset over this proposed agreement - not only was it made without any consultation with them, but it formally recognizes a "border/boundary" in the north. Did EULEX really think they were going to be able to get this thing signed with nobody in the region noticing that their concerns were being ignored? No wonder they're holding back on the customs agreement.