EU: Agreement benefits Priština too

So finally things get clear (like we didn't know already) : the EU and UN are in charge of Kosovo.

I see two possibilities for the Albanian leaders:

(1) Give in publicly that EULEX is in charge of Kosovo. A real stateman would be honest and do that!

(2) Resign.

Things getting better everyday for Kosovo. Stop the nonsense. There is no independent Kosovo!

First this is yesterday's news. See Express for the latest ( a huge no, still!)

These EUCrats make me laugh: if it benefits Prishtina, why you negotiated with Serbia alone for months? How will it benefit us, by having Serbia get visas or by making an agreement based on 1244? Or by leaving us out of the visa deal completely?

First they went: We have a right to, "take it or leave"...now they have backed down, big time realizing that 95% of the people in Kosova hates their guts for this. The K Parliament supported the Govt 100% and so does the populace. Protests are coming soon and K Government said that all the EU media pressure is only making things worst, we know the trick.


---This also derives from the Kosovo Constitution, the sources from Brussels pointed out.

so does Brussels recognize the constitution or not? If they don't then they can't use that argument. Also, where does the Kosova constitution say that EULEX can sign agreements that say Kosova is Serbia? Kinda dumb, no?


--called for complete cooperation between EULEX and Priština in implementing EULEX decisions.

EULEX says jump of a bridge, you must do so!

How about recognizing us first and especially not try to make deals behind our back. They will never be enforced and you will be forced to eventually come to your sense.

"Tighter monitoring of the border and clamping down on organized crime" - that is the reason the gang in Pristina does not want anything signed between EULEX and Belgrade. This will drastically cut into their mafia clan operations. Like poster No.1 says, watch for some resignations in Pristina soon.

EULEX should get done with it and sign already. However, I'm affraid just as UNMIK, they too will have to seek new HQ in north or their budget mission will double in the coming months. We all know in the present circumstances Prishtina cant ignore Brussels alone, I wonder who's our ally? Keep in mind EULEX we only answer to one capital, and them we owe everything so Good luck EUMIK, I mean EULEX!

In not too distant future people will say "Bends like Eulex"

EU wants this deal so Serbia can get Visa liberalization while Albanians in Kosovo become even more isolated. EU is now blackmailing the authorities through media.

aRta - The chickens are coming home to roost after numerous empty promises.

The fact is that the EU as a body has no right to recognise Kosovo's constitution or anything else. They operate under the UN which operates under its own Resolution 1244 which respects the territorial integrity of Serbia's borders.

The UN and EULEX are also bound by the 6 points agreed when they were allowed to deploy on Serbian territory (which it still is under 1244), which includes not recognising the A Plan (on which the Kosovo constitution is based); respecting the sovereignty of Serbia; and holding a neutral stance on the status.

They can't and won't recognise Kosovo, especially with the ICJ outcome pending.

All this wasted time and money when they should have just spelled things out in the first place and helped both parties to find a compromise on status.

This protocol is for the benefit of Serbia and EU, and not Kosovo.

This protocol needs to be signed to allow Visa liberalisation for Serbia, since it is one of the conditions. There hasn't been much focus of the media on this point.

While Eulex will probably try to bypass the Kosovan goverment, without their approval it will be difficult to implement this on the ground.

I hope Kosovan authorities understand the that they can use this as a barganing tool, as Serbia has done many times in the past with various political threats. Serbia needs this - Kosovo doesn't...yet.

As I said before, all EU is focused on is short term stability.

Kosova got a new master (replace now Serbia with EULEX).
(ben, 8 September 2009 14:29)
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You are correct Ben, "Kosova" or our ethnic Albanian citizens have a new master and thank God for that. It's going to be one interesting show to see how EULEX copes.

"EU: Agreement benefits Priština too".

Of course it will! Agree to what your sugar daddy is telling you and you'll get some cash for your fancy car(s) Mr Snake. Last time Mr Snake refused to listen to his "daddy" he didn't get any money for gas and had to take the bus.

aRta, you come to your senses. please. EULEX is the boss in Kosovo, and the US agrees. Pristina's politicians are doing what politicians do best, putting a political spin on matters to save their own butts. 95% will of the people, means nothing, when EULEX has 100% control.

“Effectively, the EU’s intention is to explain in detail to the leadership in Priština what EULEX has in mind. Because, all the signs are that the Kosovo authorities haven’t understood this right, when what’s at stake is tighter monitoring of the border and clamping down on organized crime,“ added the sources.

That's exactly where the problem is... not need to comment more, reality is getting clearer day after day!

NATO is cutting down troops to 2000 in 3 years and that's the best indication (self-interests of Germany, US, France, UK) of when will Serbia be forced to recognize.
(aRtA, 8 September 2009 19:37)
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Very wishful thinking there my fellow citizen. And what if Serbia says "No" and there are no more NATO troops there to protect you?

But just to express my opinion of EULEX, we need to get them out of Serbian areas ASAP and to prevent them setting up any controls on the adminstrative border. Don't let these little tricks fool you my brothers. They are not Serbia's friends.

Of course it also does benefit Kosova!

In fact Kosova is ready to sing agreements with ALL states of the world nut just neighbours.

If Serbia doesn’t want to sing with Kosova the agreement on police cooperation it’s Serbia's problem not Kosova's. Kosova is open to sign.

EU should engage her creativity and find a compromise solution instead of pressuring Kosova (an old policy: pressure the weaker so the issue stops quickly).

Hint: use the Greek-Macedonian approach.

Greece refers to Macedonia as FYROM while Macedonia replays to official documents to Greece and Ambassy with: Republic of Macedonia.

So for Serbia it remains admin border for Kosova, state border- what EU loses from this, that instead of supporting solutions of this kind it prefers to humiliate Prishtina????

If even this is not acceptable to Serbia than sorry this agreement will not be signed.

Serbia should get down from her big horse. This is the reality.

In the end, I really hope that the last 2 paragraphs of the article are a product of B92 (since they are not quoted) if not it really sounds as Kosova got a new master (replace now Serbia with EULEX).

i think kosova govt.should leave eulex to sign the aggrement only with conditions.put a price on the table and stick to there. if they refused kosova govt.can refused to,the know that kosova is land with petrol all over,all you need is a box of matches.

"It's fun to see certain types getting all excited because EU might tell us what to do, Guess what? They tell everyone what to do."
aRtA

Why haven't they told Serbia to recognize the failed state of Kosovo?

With a condescending attitude like this (" Pristina doesn't understand")he is not going anywhere in convincing the Kosovo government to change its attitude.
Notice how the U.S and U.K ambassadors in Pristina have't said a thing so far.They back the Kosovo government. Hence, why the Kosovo government hasn't given in an inch over this issue over the past two months. As long as U.S and U.K back Kosovo over this, don't expect the Kosovo government to give in on anything.

It's fun to see certain types getting all excited because EU might tell us what to do, Guess what? They tell everyone what to do.

We also know that some just love the fact that others are suffering, even if they are being harmed too, who cares. We and everyone near you knows not to expect anything good from Serbia, so we'll stay with one eye open and look into the future. 2-3 years from now it will all be over. NATO is cutting down troops to 2000 in 3 years and that's the best indication (self-interests of Germany, US, France, UK) of when will Serbia be forced to recognize.

Does anyone have an actual copy of the agreement? By the looks of it, it only serves as a further defining and separation of Kosovo from Serbia. Kosovo authorities seem to only be inclined to oppose it on the principle that they are not included as a party in the contract. But the protocol nonetheless further draws Kosovo apart from Serbia. Furthermore, technical agreements were envisioned in the Ahtisaari plan, given that Serbia was not expected to recognize Kosovo.

It would be nice to see what the wording really is though.

B) UNMIK and EULEX are too different bodies and such argument is not plausible, unless UNMIK = EULEX.
(KOSOVARi, 9 September 2009 01:33)

Yes, you are right. EULEX = UNMIK. EULEX is based on 1244!

I agree with Serbian posters in here that this protocol cant be stopped and was completed long time ago. However, Kosovars aim could be to prevent the future ones or participate in the future ones.
And of course, elections are near so making more noice is excpected.

So again: EULEX is doing what it wants. Because EULEX is in control.

Kosovo government can only accept what EULEX is doing. Thus so admitting that EULEX is ruling Kosovo.

Well, then the Kosovo 'president' must give in! Come on! You can do it! Just tell all Kosovars (Serb and Albanian) the truth: Kosovo is a UN/EU ruled province!

We all know that since 1999!

If eulex is in charge then why does this body need to "persuade the leadership in Prishtina"?

eulex is running on 2 arguments:

A) This stands to benefit Prishtina (as well).

B) A similar agreement was signed by UNMIK.

COUNTER ARGUMENT

A) This agreement stands to benefit SERBIA primarily; Prishtina only stands to lose; especially legitimacy and as the ruling body since EULEX will shortcut Prishtina and the Constitution of the people.

B) UNMIK and EULEX are too different bodies and such argument is not plausible, unless UNMIK = EULEX.

What will happen at the end in fact will be that the Serbian people will be fooled by everybody:
EU,
Tadic,
Serbia Government, etc
Now everyone in Serbia thinks that EULEX is on their side
in Kosovo they pretend to oppose them,
people on both sides feel angry/happy
the politicians have already agreed on this.
There's no Serb politician not realizing that Kosovo is gone!
but the people of Serbia needs time and fake battles/argues/discontents to understand it.
but since it cant be done quick and fast some really good professors/master in politics in Brussels come into play , being conscious of their weaknesses but also on their strength.
so this is a very good play.
it doesn't happen everyday to see such plays,
please look at it and have fun!
it wont disappoint you

EULEX is just a bunch of incapable persons and from their (in)actions will not benefit either side. Now Serbia can try making a bit of politics or Kosovo civil society increase pressure, unfortunately in the end of the day the same will continue to exist and play with us.

'EULEX is the boss in Kosovo, and the US agrees. '

Which does not mean it necessarily agrees with every move EULEX makes. A couple of days ago, Thaci and Sejdiu were reported to be meeting with the new U.S. ambassador and Feith - without de Kermabon - since these were political discussions. "Political" means deal-making, leading me to think that the document will be signed, perhaps in a slightly altered form, and that Prishtina will get something for its agreement.

I read somewhere once that Albanians and Americans are alike in that they both rank "justice" over "legality," in contrast to the Serbs and other Europeans, who place their trust in "legality." So EULEX says that it has the power to enforce this agreement, and the K-Albanians say it's unjust to usurp their constitutional powers simply because they are too small to resist, and nobody knows what the American position is, because they're not talking to the press. But I think I can guess.

Because, all the signs are that the Kosovo authorities haven’t understood this right,

of course they have not:they were at all informed about it ,so how can they understand it?
the more you insist ,the more european attitude is inexcusable¨,in the way they have handle this thing:we do know that eulex was is and will be collaborating with serbian autorities,so why did you need to create this mess? why did Eulex act like that ,putting kosovo authorities devant un fait accompli!
But by so doing,they only help us in unifiing our stands.We do know that the objectie of certain person is to delegimate our gvt,and especialy Thaciwho represent the symbole of our struggle for liberation.

So finally things get clear (like we didn't know already) : the EU and UN are in charge of Kosovo.

I see two possibilities for the Albanian leaders:

(1) Give in publicly that EULEX is in charge of Kosovo. A real stateman would be honest and do that!

(2) Resign.

Things getting better everyday for Kosovo. Stop the nonsense. There is no independent Kosovo!

First this is yesterday's news. See Express for the latest ( a huge no, still!)

These EUCrats make me laugh: if it benefits Prishtina, why you negotiated with Serbia alone for months? How will it benefit us, by having Serbia get visas or by making an agreement based on 1244? Or by leaving us out of the visa deal completely?

First they went: We have a right to, "take it or leave"...now they have backed down, big time realizing that 95% of the people in Kosova hates their guts for this. The K Parliament supported the Govt 100% and so does the populace. Protests are coming soon and K Government said that all the EU media pressure is only making things worst, we know the trick.


---This also derives from the Kosovo Constitution, the sources from Brussels pointed out.

so does Brussels recognize the constitution or not? If they don't then they can't use that argument. Also, where does the Kosova constitution say that EULEX can sign agreements that say Kosova is Serbia? Kinda dumb, no?


--called for complete cooperation between EULEX and Priština in implementing EULEX decisions.

EULEX says jump of a bridge, you must do so!

How about recognizing us first and especially not try to make deals behind our back. They will never be enforced and you will be forced to eventually come to your sense.

EULEX should get done with it and sign already. However, I'm affraid just as UNMIK, they too will have to seek new HQ in north or their budget mission will double in the coming months. We all know in the present circumstances Prishtina cant ignore Brussels alone, I wonder who's our ally? Keep in mind EULEX we only answer to one capital, and them we owe everything so Good luck EUMIK, I mean EULEX!

"Tighter monitoring of the border and clamping down on organized crime" - that is the reason the gang in Pristina does not want anything signed between EULEX and Belgrade. This will drastically cut into their mafia clan operations. Like poster No.1 says, watch for some resignations in Pristina soon.

In not too distant future people will say "Bends like Eulex"

Of course it also does benefit Kosova!

In fact Kosova is ready to sing agreements with ALL states of the world nut just neighbours.

If Serbia doesn’t want to sing with Kosova the agreement on police cooperation it’s Serbia's problem not Kosova's. Kosova is open to sign.

EU should engage her creativity and find a compromise solution instead of pressuring Kosova (an old policy: pressure the weaker so the issue stops quickly).

Hint: use the Greek-Macedonian approach.

Greece refers to Macedonia as FYROM while Macedonia replays to official documents to Greece and Ambassy with: Republic of Macedonia.

So for Serbia it remains admin border for Kosova, state border- what EU loses from this, that instead of supporting solutions of this kind it prefers to humiliate Prishtina????

If even this is not acceptable to Serbia than sorry this agreement will not be signed.

Serbia should get down from her big horse. This is the reality.

In the end, I really hope that the last 2 paragraphs of the article are a product of B92 (since they are not quoted) if not it really sounds as Kosova got a new master (replace now Serbia with EULEX).

aRta, you come to your senses. please. EULEX is the boss in Kosovo, and the US agrees. Pristina's politicians are doing what politicians do best, putting a political spin on matters to save their own butts. 95% will of the people, means nothing, when EULEX has 100% control.

This protocol is for the benefit of Serbia and EU, and not Kosovo.

This protocol needs to be signed to allow Visa liberalisation for Serbia, since it is one of the conditions. There hasn't been much focus of the media on this point.

While Eulex will probably try to bypass the Kosovan goverment, without their approval it will be difficult to implement this on the ground.

I hope Kosovan authorities understand the that they can use this as a barganing tool, as Serbia has done many times in the past with various political threats. Serbia needs this - Kosovo doesn't...yet.

As I said before, all EU is focused on is short term stability.

i think kosova govt.should leave eulex to sign the aggrement only with conditions.put a price on the table and stick to there. if they refused kosova govt.can refused to,the know that kosova is land with petrol all over,all you need is a box of matches.

Kosova got a new master (replace now Serbia with EULEX).
(ben, 8 September 2009 14:29)
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You are correct Ben, "Kosova" or our ethnic Albanian citizens have a new master and thank God for that. It's going to be one interesting show to see how EULEX copes.

It's fun to see certain types getting all excited because EU might tell us what to do, Guess what? They tell everyone what to do.

We also know that some just love the fact that others are suffering, even if they are being harmed too, who cares. We and everyone near you knows not to expect anything good from Serbia, so we'll stay with one eye open and look into the future. 2-3 years from now it will all be over. NATO is cutting down troops to 2000 in 3 years and that's the best indication (self-interests of Germany, US, France, UK) of when will Serbia be forced to recognize.

aRta - The chickens are coming home to roost after numerous empty promises.

The fact is that the EU as a body has no right to recognise Kosovo's constitution or anything else. They operate under the UN which operates under its own Resolution 1244 which respects the territorial integrity of Serbia's borders.

The UN and EULEX are also bound by the 6 points agreed when they were allowed to deploy on Serbian territory (which it still is under 1244), which includes not recognising the A Plan (on which the Kosovo constitution is based); respecting the sovereignty of Serbia; and holding a neutral stance on the status.

They can't and won't recognise Kosovo, especially with the ICJ outcome pending.

All this wasted time and money when they should have just spelled things out in the first place and helped both parties to find a compromise on status.

I agree with Serbian posters in here that this protocol cant be stopped and was completed long time ago. However, Kosovars aim could be to prevent the future ones or participate in the future ones.
And of course, elections are near so making more noice is excpected.

"EU: Agreement benefits Priština too".

Of course it will! Agree to what your sugar daddy is telling you and you'll get some cash for your fancy car(s) Mr Snake. Last time Mr Snake refused to listen to his "daddy" he didn't get any money for gas and had to take the bus.

Does anyone have an actual copy of the agreement? By the looks of it, it only serves as a further defining and separation of Kosovo from Serbia. Kosovo authorities seem to only be inclined to oppose it on the principle that they are not included as a party in the contract. But the protocol nonetheless further draws Kosovo apart from Serbia. Furthermore, technical agreements were envisioned in the Ahtisaari plan, given that Serbia was not expected to recognize Kosovo.

It would be nice to see what the wording really is though.

With a condescending attitude like this (" Pristina doesn't understand")he is not going anywhere in convincing the Kosovo government to change its attitude.
Notice how the U.S and U.K ambassadors in Pristina have't said a thing so far.They back the Kosovo government. Hence, why the Kosovo government hasn't given in an inch over this issue over the past two months. As long as U.S and U.K back Kosovo over this, don't expect the Kosovo government to give in on anything.

"It's fun to see certain types getting all excited because EU might tell us what to do, Guess what? They tell everyone what to do."
aRtA

Why haven't they told Serbia to recognize the failed state of Kosovo?

So again: EULEX is doing what it wants. Because EULEX is in control.

Kosovo government can only accept what EULEX is doing. Thus so admitting that EULEX is ruling Kosovo.

Well, then the Kosovo 'president' must give in! Come on! You can do it! Just tell all Kosovars (Serb and Albanian) the truth: Kosovo is a UN/EU ruled province!

We all know that since 1999!

“Effectively, the EU’s intention is to explain in detail to the leadership in Priština what EULEX has in mind. Because, all the signs are that the Kosovo authorities haven’t understood this right, when what’s at stake is tighter monitoring of the border and clamping down on organized crime,“ added the sources.

That's exactly where the problem is... not need to comment more, reality is getting clearer day after day!

B) UNMIK and EULEX are too different bodies and such argument is not plausible, unless UNMIK = EULEX.
(KOSOVARi, 9 September 2009 01:33)

Yes, you are right. EULEX = UNMIK. EULEX is based on 1244!

EU wants this deal so Serbia can get Visa liberalization while Albanians in Kosovo become even more isolated. EU is now blackmailing the authorities through media.

What will happen at the end in fact will be that the Serbian people will be fooled by everybody:
EU,
Tadic,
Serbia Government, etc
Now everyone in Serbia thinks that EULEX is on their side
in Kosovo they pretend to oppose them,
people on both sides feel angry/happy
the politicians have already agreed on this.
There's no Serb politician not realizing that Kosovo is gone!
but the people of Serbia needs time and fake battles/argues/discontents to understand it.
but since it cant be done quick and fast some really good professors/master in politics in Brussels come into play , being conscious of their weaknesses but also on their strength.
so this is a very good play.
it doesn't happen everyday to see such plays,
please look at it and have fun!
it wont disappoint you

EULEX is just a bunch of incapable persons and from their (in)actions will not benefit either side. Now Serbia can try making a bit of politics or Kosovo civil society increase pressure, unfortunately in the end of the day the same will continue to exist and play with us.

NATO is cutting down troops to 2000 in 3 years and that's the best indication (self-interests of Germany, US, France, UK) of when will Serbia be forced to recognize.
(aRtA, 8 September 2009 19:37)
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Very wishful thinking there my fellow citizen. And what if Serbia says "No" and there are no more NATO troops there to protect you?

But just to express my opinion of EULEX, we need to get them out of Serbian areas ASAP and to prevent them setting up any controls on the adminstrative border. Don't let these little tricks fool you my brothers. They are not Serbia's friends.

If eulex is in charge then why does this body need to "persuade the leadership in Prishtina"?

eulex is running on 2 arguments:

A) This stands to benefit Prishtina (as well).

B) A similar agreement was signed by UNMIK.

COUNTER ARGUMENT

A) This agreement stands to benefit SERBIA primarily; Prishtina only stands to lose; especially legitimacy and as the ruling body since EULEX will shortcut Prishtina and the Constitution of the people.

B) UNMIK and EULEX are too different bodies and such argument is not plausible, unless UNMIK = EULEX.

'EULEX is the boss in Kosovo, and the US agrees. '

Which does not mean it necessarily agrees with every move EULEX makes. A couple of days ago, Thaci and Sejdiu were reported to be meeting with the new U.S. ambassador and Feith - without de Kermabon - since these were political discussions. "Political" means deal-making, leading me to think that the document will be signed, perhaps in a slightly altered form, and that Prishtina will get something for its agreement.

I read somewhere once that Albanians and Americans are alike in that they both rank "justice" over "legality," in contrast to the Serbs and other Europeans, who place their trust in "legality." So EULEX says that it has the power to enforce this agreement, and the K-Albanians say it's unjust to usurp their constitutional powers simply because they are too small to resist, and nobody knows what the American position is, because they're not talking to the press. But I think I can guess.

Because, all the signs are that the Kosovo authorities haven’t understood this right,

of course they have not:they were at all informed about it ,so how can they understand it?
the more you insist ,the more european attitude is inexcusable¨,in the way they have handle this thing:we do know that eulex was is and will be collaborating with serbian autorities,so why did you need to create this mess? why did Eulex act like that ,putting kosovo authorities devant un fait accompli!
But by so doing,they only help us in unifiing our stands.We do know that the objectie of certain person is to delegimate our gvt,and especialy Thaciwho represent the symbole of our struggle for liberation.