K. Albanians in protocol consultations

Joe: "Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo."

Are you kidding? The US can't wait to hand the Kosovo project over to the Europeans and get shot of the whole problem. There is no way that they are going to side with the provincial government against the EU.

They have said nothing so far against EU policy and will probably end up just distancing themselves and ensuring that Camp Landsteal can still run smoothly so they have a base in the Balkans. I expect plenty of lip service to try and keep things calm, but that's it.

They know that the ICJ decision is likely to go in Serbia's favour and by siding with the EU and involving Serbia they can keep it all legit.

This meeting is about how the K-Albanian, so called leadership. in Pristina can twist and turn the truth into something that the crowd at home can accept. The way it looks there needs to be a lot of twisting and turning to make this agreement acceptable to K-Albs. On the other hand, K-Albs should do as their suggar daddy tells them or the cash flow will be tightend.

"On the one hand, Kosovo Albanian leaders "are finding it difficult to backtrack on their grandstanding as they rejected the protocol", while on the other, they are "finding it even harder to stand up to the pressure from high European mechanisms that seek their support for the signing of the protocol", the daily's sources were quoted."

-- Welcome to "supervised independence": more supervised, less independence.

I didn't really follow these protocols but I have more and more the impression that suddanly the EU tries to please Serbia as much as possible (most likely due to behind the scences Russian pressure and the need of Russian gaz for winter). It is and old European habit to give up principals and "appease" if their narrow interests dictate it. Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo.

tststs!Are you telling me that eulex,unmik and belgrade were not already exchanging all the information needed? No of course not,so why is europe albsolutly needing these protocols just now?and why is evrope trying to get them done in the most untransparent manner and the most irrespectfull manner for albanians?
Signed or not signed,their cooperation with belgrade will continue just as it has been up to now,so what was,and what is the real purpose of this insisting,not to say blackmailing???
Are we in the 21Th ,as the swiss will put it,Yes,so this way of handling the problem should not have been allowed to degjenerate at this stage:europe is risking much more than us here:we will be again in the most bad situation in the same situation and same place.

"Camp Landsteal"? Very well put Kate. But you know that's really the only think my country cares about.

It seems the Kosovo Albanian leadership has found itself between a rock and a hard place.

and "appease" if their narrow interests dictate it. Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo.
(Joe, 6 September 2009 19:11)

Where do you see any change in the EU course, all is in strict line with the 1244 and 6 points, yes maybe that was written at the end of the "contract" in very small letter, but it is the reality, the rest is pure fiction and political bla bla...
The US as a protector, great, we have heard and seen it before...

To Roberto frisco

I hope that YOU have the same fighting spirit for all the other regions that have been fighting for decades for their freedom, starting with kurdistan, palestine....the list is too long.
The problem is not a so called sort of independance, but simply the way it was done, the US simply can't fool the all world like they use to do, those days are fortunately over!
Just honestly answer one question: why are all the US embassies around the world protected like fort knox? including geneva?

Are we in the 21Th ,as the swiss will put it,Yes,so this way of handling the problem should not have been allowed to degjenerate at this stage:europe is risking much more than us here:we will be again in the most bad situation in the same situation and same place.
(lili, 6 September 2009 22:10)

As a women I believe that you know that if a baby doesn't come out the right way, he is bound to have complication... Kosovo came out thru the back door ignoring the basis of internationl laws, so how can you expect to have it now right?

You thought that having US as friend you can ignore the rest of the world, deadly mistake, yes we are in the 21st century and the US became one of those superpowers, however one thing they didn't change for sure, they know how to dump people/countries, when they got what they wanted!!
So now, just think whether your "dumping time" has already arrived.... looking at the way things are developping I would say yes.

I simply can't understand that you guys thought to step over 1244 and the 6th points just because your muppet show Thaci said so! Just get it in your head, he is there just because they can control him, a wrong movement and you will see how fast he will be on the terrorist list again, we have seen it before and your US friends are the top specialist in doing so!

# I didn't really follow these protocols but I have more and more the impression that suddanly the EU tries to please Serbia as much as possible (most likely due to behind the scences Russian pressure and the need of Russian gaz for winter). It is and old European habit to give up principals and "appease" if their narrow interests dictate it. Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo.
(Joe, 6 September 2009 19:11)

yes, joe, in general the eu and its members have shown themselves to be quite ethically challenged, whether the thrust is russian gas or other factors i cannot say. i would mention munich if it weren't such a tired cliche by now. i believe in compromise in certain, select situations, but you always want to be very careful as to exactly w/whom you find yrself in bed...(that is not impeccable grammar, sorry.)

as to all of the wishful speculation (fr the other side) about the US scaredy-cats who are holding their heads btwn the knees and just praying that camp bonstell doesn't disappear, it is all a bit bizarre. it was only, sad to say, because of us that there was FINally an intervention to end the genocide in bosnia (only 4 years too late), and again it was because of OUR intervention, not that of europa europa, that kosovo/a is now free. and is increasingly obvious, it will continue to be us, along with the good and determined citizens of Kosovo/a, that will maintain freedom and independence for kosovo/a.

i just wanted to add: Joe, i haven't usually acknowledged yr contributions
and i know we don't always see eye to eye about all things political -- but so what? i really do appreciate your ongoing support for the freedom and independence of both bosnia and kosovo/a. we're playing is a very rough playground, and it helps to have allies.

thanks.

roberto
frisco

Nenad from Melbourn,

Please inform your fellow citizen down under that Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL!

The Swiss,

Good posting! The Albanians act as children who cheat when playing a game. They only want to use the rules when it is in their interst.

So Kosovo should have territorial integrity. But Serbia not.

Very strange. Very childish. Very sad!

I didn't really follow these protocols but I have more and more the impression that suddanly the EU tries to please Serbia as much as possible (most likely due to behind the scences Russian pressure and the need of Russian gaz for winter). It is and old European habit to give up principals and "appease" if their narrow interests dictate it. Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo.

This meeting is about how the K-Albanian, so called leadership. in Pristina can twist and turn the truth into something that the crowd at home can accept. The way it looks there needs to be a lot of twisting and turning to make this agreement acceptable to K-Albs. On the other hand, K-Albs should do as their suggar daddy tells them or the cash flow will be tightend.

Joe: "Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo."

Are you kidding? The US can't wait to hand the Kosovo project over to the Europeans and get shot of the whole problem. There is no way that they are going to side with the provincial government against the EU.

They have said nothing so far against EU policy and will probably end up just distancing themselves and ensuring that Camp Landsteal can still run smoothly so they have a base in the Balkans. I expect plenty of lip service to try and keep things calm, but that's it.

They know that the ICJ decision is likely to go in Serbia's favour and by siding with the EU and involving Serbia they can keep it all legit.

# I didn't really follow these protocols but I have more and more the impression that suddanly the EU tries to please Serbia as much as possible (most likely due to behind the scences Russian pressure and the need of Russian gaz for winter). It is and old European habit to give up principals and "appease" if their narrow interests dictate it. Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo.
(Joe, 6 September 2009 19:11)

yes, joe, in general the eu and its members have shown themselves to be quite ethically challenged, whether the thrust is russian gas or other factors i cannot say. i would mention munich if it weren't such a tired cliche by now. i believe in compromise in certain, select situations, but you always want to be very careful as to exactly w/whom you find yrself in bed...(that is not impeccable grammar, sorry.)

as to all of the wishful speculation (fr the other side) about the US scaredy-cats who are holding their heads btwn the knees and just praying that camp bonstell doesn't disappear, it is all a bit bizarre. it was only, sad to say, because of us that there was FINally an intervention to end the genocide in bosnia (only 4 years too late), and again it was because of OUR intervention, not that of europa europa, that kosovo/a is now free. and is increasingly obvious, it will continue to be us, along with the good and determined citizens of Kosovo/a, that will maintain freedom and independence for kosovo/a.

i just wanted to add: Joe, i haven't usually acknowledged yr contributions
and i know we don't always see eye to eye about all things political -- but so what? i really do appreciate your ongoing support for the freedom and independence of both bosnia and kosovo/a. we're playing is a very rough playground, and it helps to have allies.

thanks.

roberto
frisco

"On the one hand, Kosovo Albanian leaders "are finding it difficult to backtrack on their grandstanding as they rejected the protocol", while on the other, they are "finding it even harder to stand up to the pressure from high European mechanisms that seek their support for the signing of the protocol", the daily's sources were quoted."

-- Welcome to "supervised independence": more supervised, less independence.

"Camp Landsteal"? Very well put Kate. But you know that's really the only think my country cares about.

It seems the Kosovo Albanian leadership has found itself between a rock and a hard place.

and "appease" if their narrow interests dictate it. Furtunately - if a European attempt to a sell-out would manifest - the US is there to stop it and protect Kosovo.
(Joe, 6 September 2009 19:11)

Where do you see any change in the EU course, all is in strict line with the 1244 and 6 points, yes maybe that was written at the end of the "contract" in very small letter, but it is the reality, the rest is pure fiction and political bla bla...
The US as a protector, great, we have heard and seen it before...

To Roberto frisco

I hope that YOU have the same fighting spirit for all the other regions that have been fighting for decades for their freedom, starting with kurdistan, palestine....the list is too long.
The problem is not a so called sort of independance, but simply the way it was done, the US simply can't fool the all world like they use to do, those days are fortunately over!
Just honestly answer one question: why are all the US embassies around the world protected like fort knox? including geneva?

tststs!Are you telling me that eulex,unmik and belgrade were not already exchanging all the information needed? No of course not,so why is europe albsolutly needing these protocols just now?and why is evrope trying to get them done in the most untransparent manner and the most irrespectfull manner for albanians?
Signed or not signed,their cooperation with belgrade will continue just as it has been up to now,so what was,and what is the real purpose of this insisting,not to say blackmailing???
Are we in the 21Th ,as the swiss will put it,Yes,so this way of handling the problem should not have been allowed to degjenerate at this stage:europe is risking much more than us here:we will be again in the most bad situation in the same situation and same place.

Are we in the 21Th ,as the swiss will put it,Yes,so this way of handling the problem should not have been allowed to degjenerate at this stage:europe is risking much more than us here:we will be again in the most bad situation in the same situation and same place.
(lili, 6 September 2009 22:10)

As a women I believe that you know that if a baby doesn't come out the right way, he is bound to have complication... Kosovo came out thru the back door ignoring the basis of internationl laws, so how can you expect to have it now right?

You thought that having US as friend you can ignore the rest of the world, deadly mistake, yes we are in the 21st century and the US became one of those superpowers, however one thing they didn't change for sure, they know how to dump people/countries, when they got what they wanted!!
So now, just think whether your "dumping time" has already arrived.... looking at the way things are developping I would say yes.

I simply can't understand that you guys thought to step over 1244 and the 6th points just because your muppet show Thaci said so! Just get it in your head, he is there just because they can control him, a wrong movement and you will see how fast he will be on the terrorist list again, we have seen it before and your US friends are the top specialist in doing so!

Nenad from Melbourn,

Please inform your fellow citizen down under that Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL!

The Swiss,

Good posting! The Albanians act as children who cheat when playing a game. They only want to use the rules when it is in their interst.

So Kosovo should have territorial integrity. But Serbia not.

Very strange. Very childish. Very sad!